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***Official 2014 Golf Thread*** (1 Viewer)

Heading out to Scottsdale Tues-Friday at the end of feburary. I did some research and it looks like We-ko-pa, troon north, and talking sticks are quality courses. Any recommendations for other courses in the area?

 
What kind of wedges do you guys carry or recommend in your bag? My course is a very firm course with little sand. I'd like to find a club for that 75 yard range with low bounce since the course is so firm. With a higher bounce my fear is I'll blade everything. Am I on the right thinking or is there more to consider in wedge selection?

Currently have the standard PW and SW for Callaway X Hot line.

TIA

 
Heading out to Scottsdale Tues-Friday at the end of feburary. I did some research and it looks like We-ko-pa, troon north, and talking sticks are quality courses. Any recommendations for other

courses in the area?
The ones you listed are pretty good. Troon north monument is fantastic. We-ko-pa has two nice courses that are equal to each other so if you want to play 36 in a day that's definitely an option.

Talking stick isn't bad and it's well-groomed, but it just isn't as interesting of a course. I'd recommend tpc champions (not the PGA course, but the sister course which is just as nice and far cheaper) or the Phoenician.

 
What kind of wedges do you guys carry or recommend in your bag? My course is a very firm course with little sand. I'd like to find a club for that 75 yard range with low bounce since the course is so firm. With a higher bounce my fear is I'll blade everything. Am I on the right thinking or is there more to consider in wedge selection?

Currently have the standard PW and SW for Callaway X Hot line.

TIA
titleist Vokey
 
I play Cleveland wedges. Bought a new set the last year they allowed square grooves. I like low bounce personally but I practice a ton wiith wedges and feel comfortable even on tight lies. Especially the 60. I gotta be able to open that thing up.

 
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What kind of wedges do you guys carry or recommend in your bag? My course is a very firm course with little sand. I'd like to find a club for that 75 yard range with low bounce since the course is so firm. With a higher bounce my fear is I'll blade everything. Am I on the right thinking or is there more to consider in wedge selection?

Currently have the standard PW and SW for Callaway X Hot line.

TIA
titleist Vokey
I've heard great things about the Vokey. Do you carry 52, 54, and the 60? Or just the 60?

 
What kind of wedges do you guys carry or recommend in your bag? My course is a very firm course with little sand. I'd like to find a club for that 75 yard range with low bounce since the course is so firm. With a higher bounce my fear is I'll blade everything. Am I on the right thinking or is there more to consider in wedge selection?

Currently have the standard PW and SW for Callaway X Hot line.

TIA
titleist Vokey
I've heard great things about the Vokey. Do you carry 52, 54, and the 60? Or just the 60?
See what the loft is of your PW. Then you can gap correctly. So if the PW is 45 degrees of loft you might want 50 AW; 55 Sand and a 60 Lob. Also you can see if the shaft in the Callaway MacDaddy are the same as what you play in the irons just for that level of consistency. For the record I play Callaway irons but Cleveland wedges...but think I'm switching to Callaway this year just for the heck of it.

 
What kind of wedges do you guys carry or recommend in your bag? My course is a very firm course with little sand. I'd like to find a club for that 75 yard range with low bounce since the course is so firm. With a higher bounce my fear is I'll blade everything. Am I on the right thinking or is there more to consider in wedge selection?

Currently have the standard PW and SW for Callaway X Hot line.

TIA
titleist Vokey
I've heard great things about the Vokey. Do you carry 52, 54, and the 60? Or just the 60?
See what the loft is of your PW. Then you can gap correctly. So if the PW is 45 degrees of loft you might want 50 AW; 55 Sand and a 60 Lob. Also you can see if the shaft in the Callaway MacDaddy are the same as what you play in the irons just for that level of consistency. For the record I play Callaway irons but Cleveland wedges...but think I'm switching to Callaway this year just for the heck of it.
Thanks I'll take look at the Mack D also. Currently the PW is 45 degree and the SW is 55, but I rarely use the SW because the bounce is so high at 15. I tend to strike the ball better with a lower bounce. So last year if I was with in the 70 - 50 yards I would just use a 7 iron and bump-run it up there. Of course I'd prefer to stick it on the green rather than trying to roll it up there.

 
What kind of wedges do you guys carry or recommend in your bag? My course is a very firm course with little sand. I'd like to find a club for that 75 yard range with low bounce since the course is so firm. With a higher bounce my fear is I'll blade everything. Am I on the right thinking or is there more to consider in wedge selection?

Currently have the standard PW and SW for Callaway X Hot line.

TIA
titleist Vokey
I've heard great things about the Vokey. Do you carry 52, 54, and the 60? Or just the 60?
52 and 56Up until this year I played Cleveland. Changed just for something different. You can't go wrong with either one.

 
Been meaning to give an update. My 2014 golf year ended in shambles. Started the year with 5 rounds in a row in the seventies, flirted with single-digits for a while, and won several tournaments. Hugely upgraded to player irons and hit that very well given the increased difficulty and smaller sweet spots.

However, over the last few months I've turned into a disaster off the tee. Hitting less than 30% of fairways and losing 7 strokes per round to penalty off the tee. I have more mental demons running through my head when I stand on the tee box than I have experienced playing any sport ever. I've ballooned to a 13 and getting worse (except for my short game and rescue, that by default is getting better). My last round was a 95... with 2 birdies and a hole out from 50 yards.

Starting 2015 with the coolest golfing experience of my life - a 4-day tour of nice courses with buddies featuring copious amounts of gambling. It's going to be awesome. And I should be stoked. But I'm more afraid that I'll continue to blunder off the tee than anything.

Does anyone know a good sports psychologist?

 
joffer said:
What kind of wedges do you guys carry or recommend in your bag? My course is a very firm course with little sand. I'd like to find a club for that 75 yard range with low bounce since the course is so firm. With a higher bounce my fear is I'll blade everything. Am I on the right thinking or is there more to consider in wedge selection?

Currently have the standard PW and SW for Callaway X Hot line.

TIA
titleist Vokey
2nded. you can ask the clubfitter to custom grind for you, Titleist will custom grind at the factory. for 75-100 yd i use the M grind. you can view the different grinds here https://www.vokey.com/wedge-selection/wedge-selection-guide.aspx

 
Been meaning to give an update. My 2014 golf year ended in shambles. Started the year with 5 rounds in a row in the seventies, flirted with single-digits for a while, and won several tournaments. Hugely upgraded to player irons and hit that very well given the increased difficulty and smaller sweet spots.

However, over the last few months I've turned into a disaster off the tee. Hitting less than 30% of fairways and losing 7 strokes per round to penalty off the tee. I have more mental demons running through my head when I stand on the tee box than I have experienced playing any sport ever. I've ballooned to a 13 and getting worse (except for my short game and rescue, that by default is getting better). My last round was a 95... with 2 birdies and a hole out from 50 yards.

Starting 2015 with the coolest golfing experience of my life - a 4-day tour of nice courses with buddies featuring copious amounts of gambling. It's going to be awesome. And I should be stoked. But I'm more afraid that I'll continue to blunder off the tee than anything.

Does anyone know a good sports psychologist?
I'm a high 70's to mid 80s player who used to get into funks like this and blow the top off of my game. Since I've stopped trying to shoot in the low 70s I've completely avoided the 90s for 5 years (and I'm less talented than I used to be but score better). Heres what I do when the blow-up round happens. Only 3/4 or 1/2 effort shots. Never full swings. Ever. Like never. If I'm 150 out (which is a full swing 9 for me) , punch 7 iron. 445 yard par 4? 3/4 3 wood, punch 5 iron wedge and try to get a shot at par. In the fairway bunker with 90 yds left on a par 5? Punch out to front of green, bump and run, try to putt for par.

Keep the ball low and in front of you. Swing with your chest (think Stricker) and 3/4 backswing. Even on the driver.

If you shoot 70s regularly you are long enough to play this way.

 
Been meaning to give an update. My 2014 golf year ended in shambles. Started the year with 5 rounds in a row in the seventies, flirted with single-digits for a while, and won several tournaments. Hugely upgraded to player irons and hit that very well given the increased difficulty and smaller sweet spots.

However, over the last few months I've turned into a disaster off the tee. Hitting less than 30% of fairways and losing 7 strokes per round to penalty off the tee. I have more mental demons running through my head when I stand on the tee box than I have experienced playing any sport ever. I've ballooned to a 13 and getting worse (except for my short game and rescue, that by default is getting better). My last round was a 95... with 2 birdies and a hole out from 50 yards.

Starting 2015 with the coolest golfing experience of my life - a 4-day tour of nice courses with buddies featuring copious amounts of gambling. It's going to be awesome. And I should be stoked. But I'm more afraid that I'll continue to blunder off the tee than anything.

Does anyone know a good sports psychologist?
mine was the exact opposite of yours. started out ####ty and got way better. finished at 3.7 index.

here's 3 scores in a row from my handicap card:

* 10/5/14 71
9/28/14 90
9/25/14 77
all 3 on the same course. so as you see i shot 77, then 3 days later shot a 90 on the same course, then a week later shot 71. Same course.

i guess the only thing i can tell you is, i don't give a ####. I know i'm a good player. I don't practice.

can you get that mental state? You can. Ditch your driver, get a completely new one and get it fitted exactly to your swing. Then fall in love with that thing. practice with it. Sleep with it.

you'll be fine

 
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Thorn said:
I broke 80 four times in 2014. Best year yet. That is all.
Wait, I also had my first ever even-par side, and first ever under par side (-1), and first two eagles.

 
And when you are in the range focus on contact quality only. Contact and trajectory. Keep your swing simple. Build your confidence.

 
Been meaning to give an update. My 2014 golf year ended in shambles. Started the year with 5 rounds in a row in the seventies, flirted with single-digits for a while, and won several tournaments. Hugely upgraded to player irons and hit that very well given the increased difficulty and smaller sweet spots.

However, over the last few months I've turned into a disaster off the tee. Hitting less than 30% of fairways and losing 7 strokes per round to penalty off the tee. I have more mental demons running through my head when I stand on the tee box than I have experienced playing any sport ever. I've ballooned to a 13 and getting worse (except for my short game and rescue, that by default is getting better). My last round was a 95... with 2 birdies and a hole out from 50 yards.

Starting 2015 with the coolest golfing experience of my life - a 4-day tour of nice courses with buddies featuring copious amounts of gambling. It's going to be awesome. And I should be stoked. But I'm more afraid that I'll continue to blunder off the tee than anything.

Does anyone know a good sports psychologist?
I would choke up a bit and hit a Bridgestone e6 or other low compression ball until you sort it out. Something you'll compress, which will knock a good bit of spin off.

To amend my Vokey comment - not that anybody cares - my 48 is not a Vokey.

 
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Thorn said:
I broke 80 four times in 2014. Best year yet. That is all.
Wait, I also had my first ever even-par side, and first ever under par side (-1), and first two eagles.
Awesome!
Not that anyone cares, but I would say these were the keys

1. I got optishot, the thing where you can hit balls indoors. It hooks into your PC via USB, and gives some decent feedback. I used it a lot last winter. Since I live in a (very) cold weather state, it was a huge plus. Usually the first month of the season is a complete loss.

2. Finally upgraded my irons that I had played since high school. Got a set of one-year-old Mizuno JPX and had them fitted to me.

3. Chipping, chipping, chipping. I have always been an above-average putter, but realized how rarely I was getting up and down. Lots of practice chipping.

4. Tracked stats with an app. I used Swing by swing (free), which also is a pretty darn good range finder.

 
Thorn said:
I broke 80 four times in 2014. Best year yet. That is all.
Wait, I also had my first ever even-par side, and first ever under par side (-1), and first two eagles.
Awesome!
Not that anyone cares, but I would say these were the keys

1. I got optishot, the thing where you can hit balls indoors. It hooks into your PC via USB, and gives some decent feedback. I used it a lot last winter. Since I live in a (very) cold weather state, it was a huge plus. Usually the first month of the season is a complete loss.

2. Finally upgraded my irons that I had played since high school. Got a set of one-year-old Mizuno JPX and had them fitted to me.

3. Chipping, chipping, chipping. I have always been an above-average putter, but realized how rarely I was getting up and down. Lots of practice chipping.

4. Tracked stats with an app. I used Swing by swing (free), which also is a pretty darn good range finder.
a lot of people in here could learn from this post. mainly # 2 and 3. I don't track my stats but I do mentally keep track of 1) fairways hit 2) up and downs and 3) putts per round. I don't have a spreadsheet i just keep track in my mind during rounds. If i shoot a higher score than I expect its usually because of one of those 3 items. Then before my next round, i'll spend a little extra time on that one item in pre-round warm up.

keys to hitting fairways: don't overswing, get the right driver and loft for your swing

keys to getting up and down: proximity to hole of chips/sand shots/pitches. If there's one thing i could convince people of the importance of is being able to get the ball to 5 feet or closer on all pitches/chips/sand shots. If you can't do that then the next cardinal rule never to be broken is to accept bogey and make absolutely sure you do no worse than 2 putt.

keys to getting the putts per round down: one is chipping, you've got to get good at that, and then the final trick is to be semi aggressive on your putts. You have to believe its going in and be mildly disappointed when it doesn't. You also have to be able to balance that aggressive nature by NOT 3 putting very often. I would recommend practicing 5 to 10 foot putts over and over and over and over and over.....my god thats boring but you just have to do it.

 
Chipping is the easiest cheat for mid and high handicappers to significantly lowering their score quickly.
Cheat?
Poor choice of wording. Most people can knock the most strokes off their score fastest by practicing chipping. If it's an option for you I'd vet a short game lesson. Or you could call around and see if any courses offer short game clinic. And everything Tommy just said.
 
Chipping is the easiest cheat for mid and high handicappers to significantly lowering their score quickly.
Cheat?
Poor choice of wording. Most people can knock the most strokes off their score fastest by practicing chipping. If it's an option for you I'd vet a short game lesson. Or you could call around and see if any courses offer short game clinic. And everything Tommy just said.
:goodposting: best bang for the buck on time and money
 
Been meaning to give an update. My 2014 golf year ended in shambles. Started the year with 5 rounds in a row in the seventies, flirted with single-digits for a while, and won several tournaments. Hugely upgraded to player irons and hit that very well given the increased difficulty and smaller sweet spots.

However, over the last few months I've turned into a disaster off the tee. Hitting less than 30% of fairways and losing 7 strokes per round to penalty off the tee. I have more mental demons running through my head when I stand on the tee box than I have experienced playing any sport ever. I've ballooned to a 13 and getting worse (except for my short game and rescue, that by default is getting better). My last round was a 95... with 2 birdies and a hole out from 50 yards.

Starting 2015 with the coolest golfing experience of my life - a 4-day tour of nice courses with buddies featuring copious amounts of gambling. It's going to be awesome. And I should be stoked. But I'm more afraid that I'll continue to blunder off the tee than anything.

Does anyone know a good sports psychologist?
mine was the exact opposite of yours. started out ####ty and got way better. finished at 3.7 index.

here's 3 scores in a row from my handicap card:

* 10/5/14 71
9/28/14 90
9/25/14 77
all 3 on the same course. so as you see i shot 77, then 3 days later shot a 90 on the same course, then a week later shot 71. Same course.

i guess the only thing i can tell you is, i don't give a ####. I know i'm a good player. I don't practice.

can you get that mental state? You can. Ditch your driver, get a completely new one and get it fitted exactly to your swing. Then fall in love with that thing. practice with it. Sleep with it.

you'll be fine
I used to be in that mental state. It was great. Just crushing when you watch it all fall apart. Hard to get back there.

I've contemplated the new driver and fitted option. I told my wife a few months back that I was done buying clubs for awhile though. Ugh.

 
Been meaning to give an update. My 2014 golf year ended in shambles. Started the year with 5 rounds in a row in the seventies, flirted with single-digits for a while, and won several tournaments. Hugely upgraded to player irons and hit that very well given the increased difficulty and smaller sweet spots.

However, over the last few months I've turned into a disaster off the tee. Hitting less than 30% of fairways and losing 7 strokes per round to penalty off the tee. I have more mental demons running through my head when I stand on the tee box than I have experienced playing any sport ever. I've ballooned to a 13 and getting worse (except for my short game and rescue, that by default is getting better). My last round was a 95... with 2 birdies and a hole out from 50 yards.

Starting 2015 with the coolest golfing experience of my life - a 4-day tour of nice courses with buddies featuring copious amounts of gambling. It's going to be awesome. And I should be stoked. But I'm more afraid that I'll continue to blunder off the tee than anything.

Does anyone know a good sports psychologist?
I would choke up a bit and hit a Bridgestone e6 or other low compression ball until you sort it out. Something you'll compress, which will knock a good bit of spin off.

To amend my Vokey comment - not that anybody cares - my 48 is not a Vokey.
Nice suggestion. I may try this.

 
Been meaning to give an update. My 2014 golf year ended in shambles. Started the year with 5 rounds in a row in the seventies, flirted with single-digits for a while, and won several tournaments. Hugely upgraded to player irons and hit that very well given the increased difficulty and smaller sweet spots.

However, over the last few months I've turned into a disaster off the tee. Hitting less than 30% of fairways and losing 7 strokes per round to penalty off the tee. I have more mental demons running through my head when I stand on the tee box than I have experienced playing any sport ever. I've ballooned to a 13 and getting worse (except for my short game and rescue, that by default is getting better). My last round was a 95... with 2 birdies and a hole out from 50 yards.

Starting 2015 with the coolest golfing experience of my life - a 4-day tour of nice courses with buddies featuring copious amounts of gambling. It's going to be awesome. And I should be stoked. But I'm more afraid that I'll continue to blunder off the tee than anything.

Does anyone know a good sports psychologist?
I would choke up a bit and hit a Bridgestone e6 or other low compression ball until you sort it out. Something you'll compress, which will knock a good bit of spin off.

To amend my Vokey comment - not that anybody cares - my 48 is not a Vokey.
Nice suggestion. I may try this.
Apple Jack has it right with the bold.

i had a similar problem with my driver for most of 2013: no confidence, hitting maybe 1 fairway all day, putting 2-3 balls OB each round (thus killing my score).

moved to the e6, choked down about 1/2", stood a little closer to the ball and shortened the swing. positive results were immediate and have been sustained.

one other thing, and i know this sounds a little crazy and too simple: try watching the clubface hit the ball with your driver. i had a buddy video my swing during the dark days of Hybrid Off The Tee, and noticed i was pulling my head right before impact. not saying that's your issue, but maybe something to be mindful of?

 
Been meaning to give an update. My 2014 golf year ended in shambles. Started the year with 5 rounds in a row in the seventies, flirted with single-digits for a while, and won several tournaments. Hugely upgraded to player irons and hit that very well given the increased difficulty and smaller sweet spots.

However, over the last few months I've turned into a disaster off the tee. Hitting less than 30% of fairways and losing 7 strokes per round to penalty off the tee. I have more mental demons running through my head when I stand on the tee box than I have experienced playing any sport ever. I've ballooned to a 13 and getting worse (except for my short game and rescue, that by default is getting better). My last round was a 95... with 2 birdies and a hole out from 50 yards.

Starting 2015 with the coolest golfing experience of my life - a 4-day tour of nice courses with buddies featuring copious amounts of gambling. It's going to be awesome. And I should be stoked. But I'm more afraid that I'll continue to blunder off the tee than anything.

Does anyone know a good sports psychologist?
I was for about 10 years - in private practice as well as at a University. I can try and dig up some stuff if you are serious.

But in short...for driving -

1) Take an aggressive swing at an extremely conservative target

2) Reduce the potential of a big error by using a fairway wood or even an iron.

3) #1 thought standing on the tee box is: "what is the easiest way for me to hit the green in regulation?" And design your hole strategy around that. Ie: If you can hit an 8 iron 150 yrds and the hole is 350...hit a 5 iron or hybrid off the tee 200 yrds and then play the 8 iron. Still have to execute the tee shot but an iron or hybrid is way easier than driver. If you miss with a 5 iron in your hands you were likely going to miss even bigger with the driver.

4) Not sport psychology but my DIF increased substantially when I cut the shaft down from 46" to 44.5"- and not a whole lot of loss (if any) in distance.

Greens in Regulation is most important stat for us amateurs.

 
thinking of trying the Robert Trent Jones golf trail in early May. Anyone done it and can comment on the courses?

Cambrian Ridge

Capitol Hill

Grand National

Ross Bridge

Hampton Cove

Highland Oaks

Lakewood

Magnolia Grove

Oxmoor Valley

Silver Lakes

The Shoals

 
Is the CBS coverage for the last two tournaments bothering anyone else? It seems like it's just a giant Microsoft Surface tablet commercial. All they do is cut to Faldo and Nantz sitting in front of those things for chit chat time.

Show the ### #### golf!

 
Is the CBS coverage for the last two tournaments bothering anyone else? It seems like it's just a giant Microsoft Surface tablet commercial. All they do is cut to Faldo and Nantz sitting in front of those things for chit chat time.

Show the ### #### golf!
For a sport that's dying off at an alarming rate, it amazes me how little golf they still show in these tournies. The fact that they start coverage at 2 or 3pm is amazing to me. Then they rarely show anyone outside of the top 3 - I don't want to watch Jason Day walk up to his ball - you could easily show 3 shots from 3 other players and be back in plenty of time to see him address the ball and swing.

Also never forget an hour of Tiger chatter even though he left late Thursday.

 
NBC/Golf Network is been exponentially better.

I don't know why CBS insists on physically showing us Nantz and Faldo multiple times? You are permitted to show actual golf shots while they talk.

 

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