** Official 2014 NFL Scouting Combine thread ** (1 Viewer)

[Brewtown]

Sankey is the #1 RB coming out of the Combine - he does everything great!

Great all around athlete. 26 reps on the bench was very impressive!

 

[Kleck]

How deep is this TE class again? Now watch everyone backpedal from that statement.

What I find most entertaining is that year after year people say "this is the deepest draft ever!". Every single year.

Not last year.

I read it and heard it last year too. People were saying "the top end of this draft is weak, but it's deep".

I felt that way about last year's RB class. Not top elite from a prospect level, but deep in solid talent. And with some great fantasy potential.

This year, not so much.

 

[Brewtown]

Seastrunk looked great catching the ball. It looked like a natural thing for him to do.

He laid a turd running the 40 though - I thought he was going to break CJ2k's combine record???

All in all though I thought his stock went up after today.

 

[Leroy's Aces]

WR Jeff Janis had a tremendous day:

Standing 6' 3", 219 lbs:

40 - 4.42 seconds

Vertical - 37.5 inches

Broad - 123 inches

3 cone - 6.64 seconds

20 yard - 3.98 seconds

That beat "I'm Gonna Blow Up The Combine" Watkins in every category except broad jump (3 inch difference). He had very similar numbers to Odell Beckham, yet is 4 inches taller and 23 pounds heavier.

 

[Donnybrook]

2014 NFL combine: Dee Ford on Jadeveon Clowney: 'I'm better'

 

[lbouchard]

Seastrunk looked great catching the ball. It looked like a natural thing for him to do.

He laid a turd running the 40 though - I thought he was going to break CJ2k's combine record???

All in all though I thought his stock went up after today.

No, that was Archer, who was .02 away from the record. Seastrunk didn't light up the 40, but I did expect him to be faster.

 

[Brewtown]

How deep is this TE class again? Now watch everyone backpedal from that statement.

What I find most entertaining is that year after year people say "this is the deepest draft ever!". Every single year.

Not last year.

I read it and heard it last year too. People were saying "the top end of this draft is weak, but it's deep".

i just think every draft is deep now a days, the colleges, trainers and the players themselves are better at making and preparing pro-level players

This IS the deepest draft at the skill positions that I've seen in the last 15 years!

I didn't think this was debatable??? Look at the crazy depth!

 

[Brewtown]

WR Jeff Janis had a tremendous day:

Standing 6' 3", 219 lbs:

40 - 4.42 seconds

Vertical - 37.5 inches

Broad - 123 inches

3 cone - 6.64 seconds

20 yard - 3.98 seconds

That beat "I'm Gonna Blow Up The Combine" Watkins in every category except broad jump (3 inch difference). He had very similar numbers to Odell Beckham, yet is 4 inches taller and 23 pounds heavier.

This "diamond in the rough" was very impressive.... Great size, speed, athletic ability...

Just adds to the depth of this draft!

 

[Andrew74]

Watkins and Seastrunk were so pumped to blow up the combine, I feel somewhat underwhelmed by both. But Seastrunk's hands did look good.

 

[Soulfly3]

When a guy blows me away on the field (a la Watkins), his combine numbers mean not so much to me... In pads, on the field, running routes ad beating defenders... he's just the boss.

When a group of guys are closer together to my eye (a la mason, sankey, seastrunk), the combine helps me differentiate upside.

Sankey leapfrogged all the RBs in my eyes, and I was pretty sure I was gonna go with Mason, unquestioned

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Watkins and Seastrunk were so pumped to blow up the combine, I feel somewhat underwhelmed by both. But Seastrunk's hands did look good.

Seastrunk had the best Vert & broad jump of any RB.

a 4.51 40 isn't awful, but really it just takes one little blip to cost you a .1 of a sec

Didn't change my opinion of Seastrunk at all

 

[wazoo11]

Andre Williams... 4.54 unofficial

He looks huge. 230 lbs. Guy is a beast.

he'll flourish in a zone blocking scheme offense.. but not as an every down back.

 

[voiceofunreason]

Guys that I need to look at again based on the combine so far (good or bad)

Sankey-didn't think he was special

Robinson

Mathews - shocked to see him run that fast

Evans

Benjamin - lot slower than I thought

Everyone else was fairly close to what I expected. Hill and Hyde were a bit slow but given there size it isn't a big surprise.

 

[Soulfly3]

Guys that I need to look at again based on the combine so far (good or bad)

Sankey-didn't think he was special

Robinson

Mathews - shocked to see him run that fast

Evans

Benjamin - lot slower than I thought

Everyone else was fairly close to what I expected. Hill and Hyde were a bit slow but given there size it isn't a big surprise.

May I ask what he did at the combine that wasn't "special"? I mean, he didnt set the world on fire, but he was one of today's best performers

 

[cusefan115]

Guys that I need to look at again based on the combine so far (good or bad)

Sankey-didn't think he was special

Robinson

Mathews - shocked to see him run that fast

Evans

Benjamin - lot slower than I thought

Everyone else was fairly close to what I expected. Hill and Hyde were a bit slow but given there size it isn't a big surprise.

May I ask what he did at the combine that wasn't "special"? I mean, he didnt set the world on fire, but he was one of today's best performers

Im pretty sure that he was stating what his opinion was prior to Sankey's performance today.

 

[Soulfly3]

Washington RB Bishop Sankey clocked an official forty time of 4.49 at the Combine.

He did 26 reps on the bench to rank second among running backs in Indy, and tied for fourth in the broad jump (10-foot-6). We were less impressed with Sankey during our initial tape reviews, but his Combine was very strong and he's currently Mike Mayock's No. 3 tailback prospect. We'll have to go back and study him some more. Mayock has likened Sankey to Giovani Bernard.

 

[Soulfly3]

Guys that I need to look at again based on the combine so far (good or bad)

Sankey-didn't think he was special

Robinson

Mathews - shocked to see him run that fast

Evans

Benjamin - lot slower than I thought

Everyone else was fairly close to what I expected. Hill and Hyde were a bit slow but given there size it isn't a big surprise.

May I ask what he did at the combine that wasn't "special"? I mean, he didnt set the world on fire, but he was one of today's best performers

Im pretty sure that was his opinion prior to Sankey's performance today.

His other two comments were about players' performances at teh combine.. I assume so was his comment about Sankey

 

[cusefan115]

Guys that I need to look at again based on the combine so far (good or bad)

Sankey-didn't think he was special

Robinson

Mathews - shocked to see him run that fast

Evans

Benjamin - lot slower than I thought

Everyone else was fairly close to what I expected. Hill and Hyde were a bit slow but given there size it isn't a big surprise.

May I ask what he did at the combine that wasn't "special"? I mean, he didnt set the world on fire, but he was one of today's best performers

Im pretty sure that was his opinion prior to Sankey's performance today.

His other two comments were about players' performances at teh combine.. I assume so was his comment about Sankey

Maybe. That comment seems to be in the past tense. But I agree with you, Sankey had one of the better combines for a running back.

 

[Gandalf]

Sankey and Mason seem like guys who will be very good nfl players. I hope they land in good spots.

 

[voiceofunreason]

Washington RB Bishop Sankey clocked an official forty time of 4.49 at the Combine.

He did 26 reps on the bench to rank second among running backs in Indy, and tied for fourth in the broad jump (10-foot-6). We were less impressed with Sankey during our initial tape reviews, but his Combine was very strong and he's currently Mike Mayock's No. 3 tailback prospect. We'll have to go back and study him some more. Mayock has likened Sankey to Giovani Bernard.

Kind of sums up how I feel. I don't know if it's poor vision or a lack of agility but he just doesn't look that good to me in games I've watched. He's one of the guys I'm curious to see what the NFL thinks of.

 

[Biabreakable]

How deep is this TE class again? Now watch everyone backpedal from that statement.

PWhat I find most entertaining is that year after year people say "this is the deepest draft ever!". Every single year.

Not last year.

I read it and heard it last year too. People were saying "the top end of this draft is weak, but it's deep".

I Think last year was regarded as weak all around, even the depth

Meat and Potato draft it was called because the main quality players were offensive and defensive linemen although there were some very good safeties in 2013.

For the skill players it was not very promising at all. Which is what made it interesting.

1st round-

One QB was drafted pick 16 by Buffalo after they traded down.

3 WR were drafted (only Austin went in the top 10, Hopkins pick 27 and Patterson pick 29)

One TE Eifert was drafted pick 21. The 2013 TE class did have many quality prospects however in Kelce, Reed, Ertz, Escobar, McDonald.

ZERO 1st round RB - Many RB drafted later did go to plum situations for playing time.

So all in all that was a pretty poor draft class at the skill positions. Despite a new record of juniors that declared for it.

Saying that people call every draft class the deepest ever every year is just plain ignorant.

 

[Gandalf]

I agree with everything Bia just posted above. And that this is a very deep draft class especially from a FF perspective

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

What happened with the RBs and the cone drills? Don't see results anywhere.

 

[Andrew74]

Watkins and Seastrunk were so pumped to blow up the combine, I feel somewhat underwhelmed by both. But Seastrunk's hands did look good.

Seastrunk had the best Vert & broad jump of any RB.a 4.51 40 isn't awful, but really it just takes one little blip to cost you a .1 of a sec

Didn't change my opinion of Seastrunk at all

Yeah, it's more about expectations. I do feel better about Seastrunk, despite the 40, because his hands looked good. And Watkins is still my 1.01 at this point.

 

[Gandalf]

I think Mason looked the best in the cone drills overall

 

[Leroy's Aces]

What happened with the RBs and the cone drills? Don't see results anywhere.

I was wondering the same thing. Not surprisingly, NFL network didn't broadcast any of it (if they did it today) nor could they be bothered to mention it.

 

[identikit]

This hasn't been completely updated yet, but contains some good Combine info:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AseLAGMydisldHE0Rl9kOGxPXzhPckREX3NQd0dQTGc&usp=drive_web#gid=2

 

[Xue]

Jeff Janis is just a guy. Was very ordinary at Senior Bowl.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Time for the mainstream echo chamber to reshuffle their RB-QB-TE rankings. What a banner day for them

 

[deadlyrange0321]

Jeff Janis is just a guy. Was very ordinary at Senior Bowl.

Agreed. Prime "hype" candidate after today but I don't see it at all.

 

[EBF]

Haven't sat down and watched the drills yet, but quick thoughts:

- Biggest losers for me were Kelvin Benjamin and KaDeem Carey. For two guys who were touted as being among the top players at their position, both had very bad days. Benjamin's numbers show minimal explosiveness and from what I've heard he was not impressive in the drills. Carey bombed in Stepfan Taylor-esque way and may struggle to be picked on the second day now.

- Jeremy Hill and Carlos Hyde also had a very poor showing in the tests. Neither guy figured to be the type to light up this kind of event, but I thought Hyde could possibly have a Doug Martin type of workout and you'd at least like to see some tangible signs of athletic ability from Hill. Is this a death sentence for these guys? No. There is a place for big, soft-bodied RB prospects with good feet and versatility. We saw that last year with LeVeon Bell and Eddie Lacy (two other guys with relatively poor combine numbers). However, these two now look more like guys who will need a good situation to have solid value as opposed to being potential fringe elite talents on their own merits. And with the layer of character risk surrounding Hill, he may not hear his name called until the 4th round. Just depends on how much teams value the workouts vs. the stats/tape.

- I think Marqise Lee had a mildly disappointing weekend. He wasn't terrible, but he wasn't spectacular in any of the measurements. I was hoping for a weight of 200+ pounds and a 40 time in the 4.4 range. At just 192 pounds with a 4.51, he's still a nice prospect, but perhaps destined for the 2nd round of the draft as some of his critics have long anticipated. He looks more like a sort of Greg Jennings/Santonio Holmes/Randall Cobb mashup. Probably a guy who should be viewed as a top 20-30 dynasty WR rather than a potential top 10 guy.

- On the other side of the equation, lots of players helped themselves today. Tre Mason and Bishop Sankey made a good case for moving up my RB rankings. I had it in mind that Sankey would look like Montee Ball with a bad combine and Doug Martin with a good combine. He's not as big as Martin, but after his solid showing in the testing I'm thinking he's more of a solid top 60 draft prospect than purely a J.A.G. Andre Williams also had a nice day, which is something that I anticipated. He is all muscle and faster than people gave him credit for. A team wanting a Brandon Jacobs style hammer will be pleased with him.

- At WR, Beckham had a really nice showing. I haven't watched him go through the receiving drills yet, but in his 40 he looked very efficient and athletic. His marks were excellent across the board. He has always been touted as a very good athlete and he did not disappoint today. Brandin Cooks had a great weekend. Add these numbers onto his production and you've got a surefire top 50 pick. I thought Allen Robinson also had a pretty decent weekend. The 4.60 40 will be an eye sore for some, but speed was never his forte and he was solid everywhere else with a higher weight than expected, a good vertical, and a good broad jump. I don't think he will go in the 1st round without 4.55 speed or better, but he solidified his spot in the 2nd. The "freak of the day" award probably goes to Moncrief with his great height/weight/speed/explosiveness numbers. 4.40 is really fast for a man that size and his 11' broad jump was filthy. I don't think he was ever going to slide out of the 3rd round, but with this type of performance I think he will now go in the 2nd for sure. Martavis Bryant had a freaky weekend as well and is a prime candidate to hypnotize somebody into using an early pick on him.

- Devonta Freeman and Davante Adams weren't horrible, but just by virtue of other players at their positions doing better, they'll probably slip down the rankings a bit.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

How deep is this TE class again? Now watch everyone backpedal from that statement.

PWhat I find most entertaining is that year after year people say "this is the deepest draft ever!". Every single year.

Not last year.

I read it and heard it last year too. People were saying "the top end of this draft is weak, but it's deep".

I Think last year was regarded as weak all around, even the depth

Meat and Potato draft it was called because the main quality players were offensive and defensive linemen although there were some very good safeties in 2013.

For the skill players it was not very promising at all. Which is what made it interesting.

1st round-

One QB was drafted pick 16 by Buffalo after they traded down.

3 WR were drafted (only Austin went in the top 10, Hopkins pick 27 and Patterson pick 29)

One TE Eifert was drafted pick 21. The 2013 TE class did have many quality prospects however in Kelce, Reed, Ertz, Escobar, McDonald.

ZERO 1st round RB - Many RB drafted later did go to plum situations for playing time.

So all in all that was a pretty poor draft class at the skill positions. Despite a new record of juniors that declared for it.

Saying that people call every draft class the deepest ever every year is just plain ignorant

Saying saying that people call every draft class the deepest ever every year is just plain ignorant is just plain ignorant. It was said. It's said every year. There is no deviation to this.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Xue, are you planning on releasing a spreadsheet of your 40 times, with 10/20/40 yard split times? That would be pretty cool. 20-40 can help us split top speed/acceleration type runners which might be interesting.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

2014 NFL combine: Dee Ford on Jadeveon Clowney: 'I'm better'

What does playing like a blind dog at a meat market mean to Dee Ford? Did he put much thought into this?

 

[Archer]

During the WR drills I was most impressed with Evans, Cooks, Beckham, and Bryant (in that order). During the RB drills, Mason and Sankey stood out IMO.

Left at Watkins on purpose. He's the clear 1.1.

 

[coolnerd]

Jeff Janis is just a guy. Was very ordinary at Senior Bowl.

Kind of a guy that I would want to get and sit on in a league with a large taxi squad. Can't ignore his measurable but really low investment type.

 

[Donnybrook]

For me there still not alot of seperation in this running back class. I have enough experience watching combines to know that the numbers pale in comparison to actual game footage.

 

[Brewtown]

Jeff Janis is just a guy. Was very ordinary at Senior Bowl.

He wasn't ordinary today. This tall, caucasian WR ran a faster 40 than Watkins, Lee, and Seastrunk....

Good production where he played (Div 2)

Led Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (GLIAC) in most major receiving categories after posting 83 receptions for 1,572 yards and 14 touchdowns. 2012: Started in all 11 games, and his 1,635 receiving yards were the most in Division II. 2011

I wouldn't be so fast to write this guy off.....

 

[Gandalf]

For me there still not alot of seperation in this running back class. I have enough experience watching combines to know that the numbers pale in comparison to actual game footage.

Agree to agree. The combine is fun. At the same time, nothing matters more than seeing players in games. Great football players are not always workout machines.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I have to guess Jerick McKinnon will generate the most buzz at RB from todays results.

 

[ShaHBucks]

For me there still not alot of seperation in this running back class. I have enough experience watching combines to know that the numbers pale in comparison to actual game footage.

Agree to agree. The combine is fun. At the same time, nothing matters more than seeing players in games. Great football players are not always workout machines.

So the combine is for fun?

 

[werdnoynek]

I have to guess Jerick McKinnon will generate the most buzz at RB from todays results.

The triple option they ran at Southern isn't going to help him much... I can only find the Florida game from this year where he showed some flashes. You can see the burst through lanes/holes but I can't get over thinking he's a fast straight line guy like a Knile Davis.

 

[tdmills]

Haven't sat down and watched the drills yet, but quick thoughts:

- Biggest losers for me were Kelvin Benjamin and KaDeem Carey. For two guys who were touted as being among the top players at their position, both had very bad days. Benjamin's numbers show minimal explosiveness and from what I've heard he was not impressive in the drills. Carey bombed in Stepfan Taylor-esque way and may struggle to be picked on the second day now.

- Jeremy Hill and Carlos Hyde also had a very poor showing in the tests. Neither guy figured to be the type to light up this kind of event, but I thought Hyde could possibly have a Doug Martin type of workout and you'd at least like to see some tangible signs of athletic ability from Hill. Is this a death sentence for these guys? No. There is a place for big, soft-bodied RB prospects with good feet and versatility. We saw that last year with LeVeon Bell and Eddie Lacy (two other guys with relatively poor combine numbers). However, these two now look more like guys who will need a good situation to have solid value as opposed to being potential fringe elite talents on their own merits. And with the layer of character risk surrounding Hill, he may not hear his name called until the 4th round. Just depends on how much teams value the workouts vs. the stats/tape.

- I think Marqise Lee had a mildly disappointing weekend. He wasn't terrible, but he wasn't spectacular in any of the measurements. I was hoping for a weight of 200+ pounds and a 40 time in the 4.4 range. At just 192 pounds with a 4.51, he's still a nice prospect, but perhaps destined for the 2nd round of the draft as some of his critics have long anticipated. He looks more like a sort of Greg Jennings/Santonio Holmes/Randall Cobb mashup. Probably a guy who should be viewed as a top 20-30 dynasty WR rather than a potential top 10 guy.

- On the other side of the equation, lots of players helped themselves today. Tre Mason and Bishop Sankey made a good case for moving up my RB rankings. I had it in mind that Sankey would look like Montee Ball with a bad combine and Doug Martin with a good combine. He's not as big as Martin, but after his solid showing in the testing I'm thinking he's more of a solid top 60 draft prospect than purely a J.A.G. Andre Williams also had a nice day, which is something that I anticipated. He is all muscle and faster than people gave him credit for. A team wanting a Brandon Jacobs style hammer will be pleased with him.

- At WR, Beckham had a really nice showing. I haven't watched him go through the receiving drills yet, but in his 40 he looked very efficient and athletic. His marks were excellent across the board. He has always been touted as a very good athlete and he did not disappoint today. Brandin Cooks had a great weekend. Add these numbers onto his production and you've got a surefire top 50 pick. I thought Allen Robinson also had a pretty decent weekend. The 4.60 40 will be an eye sore for some, but speed was never his forte and he was solid everywhere else with a higher weight than expected, a good vertical, and a good broad jump. I don't think he will go in the 1st round without 4.55 speed or better, but he solidified his spot in the 2nd. The "freak of the day" award probably goes to Moncrief with his great height/weight/speed/explosiveness numbers. 4.40 is really fast for a man that size and his 11' broad jump was filthy. I don't think he was ever going to slide out of the 3rd round, but with this type of performance I think he will now go in the 2nd for sure. Martavis Bryant had a freaky weekend as well and is a prime candidate to hypnotize somebody into using an early pick on him.

- Devonta Freeman and Davante Adams weren't horrible, but just by virtue of other players at their positions doing better, they'll probably slip down the rankings a bit.

Did you see him in the gauntlet? He may have been the worst WR there. Gauntlet + poor 40 time = down in my book.

 

[jurb26]

Jeff Janis is just a guy. Was very ordinary at Senior Bowl.

He wasn't ordinary today. This tall, caucasian WR ran a faster 40 than Watkins, Lee, and Seastrunk....

Good production where he played (Div 2)

Led Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (GLIAC) in most major receiving categories after posting 83 receptions for 1,572 yards and 14 touchdowns. 2012: Started in all 11 games, and his 1,635 receiving yards were the most in Division II. 2011

I wouldn't be so fast to write this guy off.....

He tested well in the events, but IMO he showed poor hands in positional drills. Pretty much exactly what his scouting report says. Great athlete with small hands and doesn't catch the ball well. Add to it he struggled at the Sr. Bowl and I'm thinking he's more hype than substance.

 

[coolnerd]

For me there still not alot of seperation in this running back class. I have enough experience watching combines to know that the numbers pale in comparison to actual game footage.

Agree to agree. The combine is fun. At the same time, nothing matters more than seeing players in games. Great football players are not always workout machines.

So the combine is for fun?

I take the season as like having a most of your grade in school based off essays and tests. the combine and on campus workouts are the 20-25% homework and quizzes.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Cmon guys. Who doesn't want the GLIAC legend on their team? If he's around late in a rookie draft, I'll take him. It'll have to be late.

 

[Gandalf]

Fun to watch. And provides information. But nothing is as good as watching players in games. You know, full pads, playing the actual game of football. That sort of thing.

 

[5Rings]

You're predicting hand sizes?

And video timing 40s on his couch.

This kind of dedication should mean Staff Status

 

[ShaHBucks]

For me there still not alot of seperation in this running back class. I have enough experience watching combines to know that the numbers pale in comparison to actual game footage.

Agree to agree. The combine is fun. At the same time, nothing matters more than seeing players in games. Great football players are not always workout machines.

So the combine is for fun?

I take the season as like having a most of your grade in school based off essays and tests. the combine and on campus workouts are the 20-25% homework and quizzes.

Everyone can keep saying it doesn't matter. Yet, the TE class just went from "deep" to "weak" in 30 min worth of using stop watches. After all those countless hours of tape study(he says sarcastically), your rakings change in 30 min? Time to hold some of these guys selling us false hope accountable for once. I don't think they will ever hold themselves accountable. Now that might be fun.

 

[Gandalf]

Who is saying it doesn't matter??? I watched the whole thing today. It does matter. Just not as much as scouting players in the games. Both things matter though.