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** Official 2014 Philadelphia Eagles Thread ** (2 Viewers)

No pro bowl player is so much of a disruption that they dump him for nothing. Have we learned nothing from the whole TO thing? Yes star WR's don't win championships on their own. No player wins it on their own. Otherwise, Peyton would have 10 Super Bowls by now. This whole DJax is selfish and greedy thing is ridiculous. The guy got paid an average of $491k his first 5 years in the league and people are going to begrudge him for wanting to get as much as he can now? It's not like Desean ran to the press and said "I demand a new contract and they won't give me one." The media is loving this ####storm they brewed up. It has the simple minded in town in an uproar over nothing.

Bottomline, Desean has 3, 1000 yard seasons in his career. He just finished a 82-1300-9 season. Finished in the top 10 in receiving yards and had the 3rd best receiving average of the top 10 (Gordon and Calvin only better). So despite people's misguided perceptions, he is a #1.

Eagles can cut him whenever they want. If he gets a career ending injury tomorrow, they don't owe him a thing and it only hurts their cap number. So please stop it with this he's a greedy selfish baby nonsense. It's a business and he wants to get paid, just like every other player out there.
DeSean's Career DYAR prior to Chip Kelly according to FBO:2008 DYAR Rank: 56th

2009 DYAR Rank: 20th

2010 DYAR Rank: 46th

2011 DYAR Rank: 39th

2012 DYAR Rank: 72nd

This is who you think is worth top-5 WR money?

In Chip Kelly Offense:

2013 DYAR Rank: 7th

He's a byproduct of the system. DeSean has never even cracked the top-20 in a stat thats based on being better than the average WR. How can he not be replaced if that's the case? Go look at the numbers Oregon players put up in this offense. Players like Jeff Maehl outproduced DeSean by a wide margin in the same conference while playing for CK. I'm not saying Maehl is better, because he's not, but Chip is responsible for the production. If you believe that then a 3rd round rookie WR would probably be a stud in this offense with Nick Foles while saving 30M+. Heck, even Riley Cooper had a career year. He put up virtually the same #'s as Desean did while playing with Foles. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=684751&page=12#entry16623442

I don't believe the rumors either FWIW.
I totally agree. I like Desean put he is a mirage of a #1 WR IMO. If he truely wants more money (as he's stated) then we KNOW what we get from him when he's unhappy and it's nothing. So, do you trade a guy who would give you nothing and be a problem for a 3rd round pick? With as close as we are you have to IMO.

I also think people are wrong to look at it as if it's the 3rd round pick replacing Jackson's production. It would be a combination of Ertz, Maclin and Sproles along with any WR they pick. I think that definitley could replace his production.

As far as the T.O. stuff I don't think him and Jackson, as players, are even on the same planet.

I'm 50/50 with these rumors right now. If money is the issue Howie already knows how this plays out and he'd be stupid to go through that again. Also as I've mentioned above Chip wants bigger players. He knows the shelf life of a guy like Jackson and his window isnt big at all.
Which is why they may be listening to offers like they would for anyone. However, if people think he's so replaceable I'd cautiously warn that without Djax drawing doubles, who is Riley Cooper? Without Riley Cooper having a breakout year, who is Zach Ertz? Also without the respect Djax demands, how many fewer holes does shady get?

Unless a rookie is like Calvin coming out, you're not going to have him come in and demand the same attention DJax got from defenses last year. That creates a lot less room out there.

Best scenario is you keep DJax this year, draft a Wr in the first 3 rounds (which they probably planned on anyway), then if DJax doesn't restructure before next year you at least have a player with a year in the system.
He wasn't double teamed in the playoffs....You think DJax is the cog in the machine. I don't. He's is not the reason Shady and Cooper ALSO had career years. That's that.

Just last year you agreed that DeSean wasn't a #1 WR. He didn't do anything different. His QB was just really efficient, the offense had a lot more drives, and the coach is great at getting players wide open with misdirection. That helps production to say the least. We wouldn't miss a beat with a healthy Maclin, Sproles, Cooper (w/ Foles) and good rookie pick in a deep draft at the position. His production was already replaced if you ask me.

We all want Desean on the team. He's a talented player. The problem is you don't want him for 12m per. He's not a Calvin Johnson type of commodity. But, whatever... Whatever happends, happends. I won't lose any sleep if he's gone.

*Randy Moss didn't even demand a 1st. You really think that highly of Desean after one year?

 
Anyone with the NFL Rewind Coaches tape mind checking out how often the Eagles faced man defense vs zone? Watching a bunch of highlights of DJax and Cooper and it seems like teams were playing a ton of zone and they were just being picked apart. Also curious to see how much bump coverage was played against DJax.

Thanks.

 
What would you rather have DeSean and a 1st round IDP, or Cooks and a 3rd round IDP? That is really the trade off.
Not really. To me it's Jordan Matthews + whatever pick + $10M in cap space. That's a Hershall Walker deal
You can grab that cap space whenever you want. His remaining contract is essentially not guaranteed. Only 750k for this year is guaranteed and 0 for 2015/2016. From this point on he serves at the mercy of the Philadelphia Eagles. With FA all but over, the question is do you care if Lurie saves $10m this year. It doesn't affect the cap, it only affects the owner's pocketbook. The tradeoff still stands - devote that 1st to defense or to replacing what you lost when you kicked DeSean out the door.

 
What would you rather have DeSean and a 1st round IDP, or Cooks and a 3rd round IDP? That is really the trade off.
Not really. To me it's Jordan Matthews + whatever pick + $10M in cap space. That's a Hershall Walker deal
You can grab that cap space whenever you want. His remaining contract is essentially not guaranteed. Only 750k for this year is guaranteed and 0 for 2015/2016. From this point on he serves at the mercy of the Philadelphia Eagles. With FA all but over, the question is do you care if Lurie saves $10m this year. It doesn't affect the cap, it only affects the owner's pocketbook. The tradeoff still stands - devote that 1st to defense or to replacing what you lost when you kicked DeSean out the door.
You can devote the first to D and still get a quality WR in round 2 or 3 IMHO

 
What would you rather have DeSean and a 1st round IDP, or Cooks and a 3rd round IDP? That is really the trade off.
Not really. To me it's Jordan Matthews + whatever pick + $10M in cap space. That's a Hershall Walker deal
You can grab that cap space whenever you want. His remaining contract is essentially not guaranteed. Only 750k for this year is guaranteed and 0 for 2015/2016. From this point on he serves at the mercy of the Philadelphia Eagles. With FA all but over, the question is do you care if Lurie saves $10m this year. It doesn't affect the cap, it only affects the owner's pocketbook. The tradeoff still stands - devote that 1st to defense or to replacing what you lost when you kicked DeSean out the door.
Huh? http://www.spotrac.com/blog/trading-desean-jackson-financially/
 
The dead money happens regardless if he is traded or cut. The Eagles owe him the signing bonus (not the 9ers or Panthers), and it is their prorated debt regardless.

That is, he already earned the signing bonus. We can't take that away from him. We can take away his salary in future years by cutting him. The dead money, which is the signing bonus, is paid by the Eagles to DeSean no matter what happens.

The cap hit only affects the Eagles if he is on the Eagles roster.

The 2nd table is showing you what the other team would pay. Eagles are still on the hook for 6m of dead money "Should a trade occur, the Eagles would incur $6 million in dead money from the unallocated signing bonus proration. "

 
What would you rather have DeSean and a 1st round IDP, or Cooks and a 3rd round IDP? That is really the trade off.
Not really. To me it's Jordan Matthews + whatever pick + $10M in cap space. That's a Hershall Walker deal
10M in cap space. Awesome! What good is cap space if you don't use it. The Eagles are currently 17M UNDER the cap.

The dead money happens regardless if he is traded or cut. The Eagles owe him the signing bonus (not the 9ers or Panthers), and it is their prorated debt regardless.

That is, he already earned the signing bonus. We can't take that away from him. We can take away his salary in future years by cutting him. The dead money, which is the signing bonus, is paid by the Eagles to DeSean no matter what happens.

The cap hit only affects the Eagles if he is on the Eagles roster.

The 2nd table is showing you what the other team would pay. Eagles are still on the hook for 6m of dead money "Should a trade occur, the Eagles would incur $6 million in dead money from the unallocated signing bonus proration. "
Yup. Jackson got a 10M signing bonus, pro-rated over 5 years. The Eagles would have eat 6M of that this year if traded.

 
The dead money happens regardless if he is traded or cut. The Eagles owe him the signing bonus (not the 9ers or Panthers), and it is their prorated debt regardless.

That is, he already earned the signing bonus. We can't take that away from him. We can take away his salary in future years by cutting him. The dead money, which is the signing bonus, is paid by the Eagles to DeSean no matter what happens.

The cap hit only affects the Eagles if he is on the Eagles roster.

The 2nd table is showing you what the other team would pay. Eagles are still on the hook for 6m of dead money "Should a trade occur, the Eagles would incur $6 million in dead money from the unallocated signing bonus proration. "
I get that. You can cut/trade him for a one time hit of 6M (the dead money) this season or play him 29.5M over 3 years.
 
Anyone with the NFL Rewind Coaches tape mind checking out how often the Eagles faced man defense vs zone? Watching a bunch of highlights of DJax and Cooper and it seems like teams were playing a ton of zone and they were just being picked apart. Also curious to see how much bump coverage was played against DJax.

Thanks.
I don't have time to watch it but going by his stats I'm guessing they figured out how to handle him - he only hit 60 yards in 1 of the last 6 games (including the playoff game against the Saints). That one was a big one though against the Cowboys. The Saints held him to 3 for 53 yards - didn't do much outside of the 40 yard catch.

 
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The cap space is the least of my worries. What's being glossed over are the ramifications of If he starts his sh!t again over not getting paid more (or maybe he has already??) then you have to consider trading him. If not then you have to redo his deal....again.

Which do you do? You either:

A. Get a 50% Desean in 2014

B. Redo his deal again

C. Trade him now

 
The cap space is the least of my worries. What's being glossed over are the ramifications of If he starts his #### again over not getting paid more (or maybe he has already??) then you have to consider trading him. If not then you have to redo his deal....again.

Which do you do? You either:

A. Get a 50% Desean in 2014

B. Redo his deal again

C. Trade him now
Or choice D. Call his bluff and ignore him. He has no power here and unlike when he was getting underpaid for a bad team, he has money in the bank and incentive to keep playing good to get more of that money. This to me is just a dull offseason story that's getting blown out of proportion because of who Djax is.

Plus we never see what was asked of Desean. Just his response. "I definitely feel its deserving." Nothing to indicate what was asked of him or how he was led into the question while getting undressed in the lockerrom after a tough playoff loss.

Desean is immature and says things off the cuff which is why the media loves to twist him in knots. Hes done nothing to disrupt the lockerroom though and he's a key cog in the #2 offense last year. Why would the Eagles break that up?

 
The cap space is the least of my worries. What's being glossed over are the ramifications of If he starts his #### again over not getting paid more (or maybe he has already??) then you have to consider trading him. If not then you have to redo his deal....again.

Which do you do? You either:

A. Get a 50% Desean in 2014

B. Redo his deal again

C. Trade him now
Or choice D. Call his bluff and ignore him. He has no power here and unlike when he was getting underpaid for a bad team, he has money in the bank and incentive to keep playing good to get more of that money. This to me is just a dull offseason story that's getting blown out of proportion because of who Djax is. Plus we never see what was asked of Desean. Just his response. "I definitely feel its deserving." Nothing to indicate what was asked of him or how he was led into the question while getting undressed in the lockerrom after a tough playoff loss.

Desean is immature and says things off the cuff which is why the media loves to twist him in knots. Hes done nothing to disrupt the lockerroom though and he's a key cog in the #2 offense last year. Why would the Eagles break that up?
As the 2013 season drew to a close, I remember thinking that the Eagles would probably look to redo DeSean's deal, just to lower his cap number in advance of their free agent shopping. I thought maybe they would convert his 2014 salary to a bonus, allowing them to prorate the cap hit while netting him more guaranteed cash. But once he opened his mouth, any chance of that went out the window. Can't let the inmates run the asylum. Even now, I don't believe they have any intention of trading him, but are just letting him dangle a bit as retribution for his shenanigans. Let him hear the branch creak, then pull him back into the fold and insist that the whole situation was a media fabrication. Whatever is going on, I hope it gets resolved soon.

 
The cap space is the least of my worries. What's being glossed over are the ramifications of If he starts his #### again over not getting paid more (or maybe he has already??) then you have to consider trading him. If not then you have to redo his deal....again.

Which do you do? You either:

A. Get a 50% Desean in 2014

B. Redo his deal again

C. Trade him now
Or choice D. Call his bluff and ignore him. He has no power here and unlike when he was getting underpaid for a bad team, he has money in the bank and incentive to keep playing good to get more of that money. This to me is just a dull offseason story that's getting blown out of proportion because of who Djax is. Plus we never see what was asked of Desean. Just his response. "I definitely feel its deserving." Nothing to indicate what was asked of him or how he was led into the question while getting undressed in the lockerrom after a tough playoff loss.

Desean is immature and says things off the cuff which is why the media loves to twist him in knots. Hes done nothing to disrupt the lockerroom though and he's a key cog in the #2 offense last year. Why would the Eagles break that up?
As the 2013 season drew to a close, I remember thinking that the Eagles would probably look to redo DeSean's deal, just to lower his cap number in advance of their free agent shopping. I thought maybe they would convert his 2014 salary to a bonus, allowing them to prorate the cap hit while netting him more guaranteed cash. But once he opened his mouth, any chance of that went out the window. Can't let the inmates run the asylum. Even now, I don't believe they have any intention of trading him, but are just letting him dangle a bit as retribution for his shenanigans. Let him hear the branch creak, then pull him back into the fold and insist that the whole situation was a media fabrication. Whatever is going on, I hope it gets resolved soon.
The dangle with a 3rd rd comp leak is a ploy, a backhanded slap like I mentioned earlier. It's a "Settle down son we made you we'd trade you" kind of thing. I love that our coach is too busy at pro days to address his petulance.
 
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Insein said:
The cap space is the least of my worries. What's being glossed over are the ramifications of If he starts his #### again over not getting paid more (or maybe he has already??) then you have to consider trading him. If not then you have to redo his deal....again.

Which do you do? You either:

A. Get a 50% Desean in 2014

B. Redo his deal again

C. Trade him now
Or choice D. Call his bluff and ignore him. He has no power here and unlike when he was getting underpaid for a bad team, he has money in the bank and incentive to keep playing good to get more of that money. This to me is just a dull offseason story that's getting blown out of proportion because of who Djax is. Plus we never see what was asked of Desean. Just his response. "I definitely feel its deserving." Nothing to indicate what was asked of him or how he was led into the question while getting undressed in the lockerrom after a tough playoff loss.

Desean is immature and says things off the cuff which is why the media loves to twist him in knots. Hes done nothing to disrupt the lockerroom though and he's a key cog in the #2 offense last year. Why would the Eagles break that up?
It could be blown out of proportion, which I agree, but at the sametime it is very reasonable. Reporters are clawing at each other to break this story during a slow news cycle. Even if I didn't agree with the content I know some of the mainstream guys wouldn't be so irresponsible with their rep. We were just speculating. That's fine and dandy for a internet forum. Some one had to hear something from a reliable source for this much chatter to occur. I wouldn't be shocked if they were sick of dealing with DeSean, felt his was replaceable, or overpaid. The A answer is one I haven't even considered. He had a great season. Can you count on him again? Will he even play the same? Where was that production at most of your career? There is no Vick and Avant to keep him in check when he's throwing a tantrum.

It doesn't matter what they do to me. I'll just figure they have a plan in motion to make the team stronger and give it some time. Chip earned that at least.

 
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@nfl: "Yes. Yes. Yes. I think they would pull the trigger on a trade [for D-Jax]."

WATCH: http://t.co/71M5GwT8sr
Nice listen.

Interesting he noted his personal opinion that the B Marshall trade for two thirds would be a barometer. (Above, I mentioned the Browns, think they have 2, plus a pass rushing OLB in MIngo)

Browns in addition have a sick amount of cap room to pay Deasen and would probably rework his contract to give him a lot this year even. They've frontloaded a lot of these contracts to give them future cometiveness and Baby Hawk said they are in win now mode. I'm channeling my inner Ray Farmer here, this would make a lot of sense. Detraction from it working? Then you have 2 problematic diva WR's. BUt strictly X's and O's? Man, that works nicely. Not to mention Farmer's connection with Philly to do the networking.

 
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@nfl: "Yes. Yes. Yes. I think they would pull the trigger on a trade [for D-Jax]."

WATCH: http://t.co/71M5GwT8sr
Nice listen.
Can I get a written summary? I'm at work and the video is blocked (Chrome with Ad-Block). TIA.
Eskin was on NFL Network and oretty much said the Eagles would do a trade but not until closer to the draft. He said the Eagles arent shopping him now but they wouldnt be anyway since the draft is so far away. He mentioned the 3 as the starting point and used the Brandon Marsjhall trade as his example. He went on to mention the people who say "how are you going to replace his production" by adding that Sproles caught 70 balls and played some WR as well as the return or Maclin.

**ETA** He also stated that they would take a WR in round 1 or round 2

 
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@nfl: "Yes. Yes. Yes. I think they would pull the trigger on a trade [for D-Jax]."

WATCH: http://t.co/71M5GwT8sr
Nice listen.
Can I get a written summary? I'm at work and the video is blocked (Chrome with Ad-Block). TIA.
Eskin was on NFL Network and oretty much said the Eagles would do a trade but not until closer to the draft. He said the Eagles arent shopping him now but they wouldnt be anyway since the draft is so far away. He mentioned the 3 as the starting point and used the Brandon Marsjhall trade as his example. He went on to mention the people who say "how are you going to replace his production" by adding that Sproles caught 70 balls and played some WR as well as the return or Maclin.

**ETA** He also stated that they would take a WR in round 1 or round 2
Thanks. First, I have to get past my hatred for Eskin ;-) I'll echo what a lot of others have said - if they go WR early the draft that means they aren't drafting defense. And their biggest weakness is defense. And as big of an offensive weapon as Sproles can be, I doubt he lines up at WR for the majority of his snaps. They still need someone to stretch the field or else everyone else becomes less effective.

The other side of that coin is there's no reason (yet) to distrust Roseman and Kelly. I'm happy as long as the team shows continued improvement.

 
@nfl: "Yes. Yes. Yes. I think they would pull the trigger on a trade [for D-Jax]."

WATCH: http://t.co/71M5GwT8sr
Nice listen.
Can I get a written summary? I'm at work and the video is blocked (Chrome with Ad-Block). TIA.
Eskin was on NFL Network and oretty much said the Eagles would do a trade but not until closer to the draft. He said the Eagles arent shopping him now but they wouldnt be anyway since the draft is so far away. He mentioned the 3 as the starting point and used the Brandon Marsjhall trade as his example. He went on to mention the people who say "how are you going to replace his production" by adding that Sproles caught 70 balls and played some WR as well as the return or Maclin.

**ETA** He also stated that they would take a WR in round 1 or round 2
Thanks. First, I have to get past my hatred for Eskin ;-) I'll echo what a lot of others have said - if they go WR early the draft that means they aren't drafting defense. And their biggest weakness is defense. And as big of an offensive weapon as Sproles can be, I doubt he lines up at WR for the majority of his snaps. They still need someone to stretch the field or else everyone else becomes less effective.

The other side of that coin is there's no reason (yet) to distrust Roseman and Kelly. I'm happy as long as the team shows continued improvement.
Bull. You guys sign Bironas and it's all in baby! Championship or bust. I'm not jesting.

 
Not too sure who the person close to Jackson who said today that there was "NO WAY" he's back with the eagles this year, but it sounds like he's all but gone per rotoworlds (I know, I know) report today. Say what you want about him, but we're really gonna miss him stretching the field. Wonder if Sproles even plays as a RB at all this year or just lines up as a receiver all year.

Looking like our first pick might be a WR.

 
Not too sure who the person close to Jackson who said today that there was "NO WAY" he's back with the eagles this year, but it sounds like he's all but gone per rotoworlds (I know, I know) report today. Say what you want about him, but we're really gonna miss him stretching the field. Wonder if Sproles even plays as a RB at all this year or just lines up as a receiver all year.

Looking like our first pick might be a WR.
I don't think we take a WR in the 1st no matter what happens.

 
Not too sure who the person close to Jackson who said today that there was "NO WAY" he's back with the eagles this year, but it sounds like he's all but gone per rotoworlds (I know, I know) report today. Say what you want about him, but we're really gonna miss him stretching the field. Wonder if Sproles even plays as a RB at all this year or just lines up as a receiver all year.

Looking like our first pick might be a WR.
Here is the above mentioned quote:

(Rotoworld)One person close to DeSean Jackson told the Allentown Morning Call that there's "no way" Jackson will return to the Eagles in 2014.

Analysis: There have been so many conflicting reports on the Eagles' feelings about D-Jax that it's hard to know what to believe. "There is no way he's an Eagle this year," the person close to Jackson said. "However it leaked out, it leaked out, and now this is what you have." Eagles beat writer Nick Fierro predicts "Jackson is out of here for sure, and long before the NFL draft too." Appearing on Sirius XM Radio Thursday morning, ESPN's Sal Paolantonio told host Ross Tucker that "DeSean Jackson's act is wearing thin with Chip Kelly."
Unless this source is him I'm not buying in.

 
Not too sure who the person close to Jackson who said today that there was "NO WAY" he's back with the eagles this year, but it sounds like he's all but gone per rotoworlds (I know, I know) report today. Say what you want about him, but we're really gonna miss him stretching the field. Wonder if Sproles even plays as a RB at all this year or just lines up as a receiver all year.

Looking like our first pick might be a WR.
Championships are not won with WRs and if he is gone it's not like the cupboard is bare there anyway. I trust Kelly to devise plenty of schemes to score sufficiently. I'd rather have a locker room united with one goal, not fragmented by his idiocy.
 
I just wonder what the rest of the lockerroom will think when they see the team running off high priced talent.

 
There was an article on NFL.com quoting Kendricks?, saying Desean was "misunderstood". Awww.

Ain't that something?

I don't care what was asked of him, telling the press he wants a contract renegotiation 2 days after losing a playoff game when he's due to make $10mil and in no danger of being cut sealed it for me. Non essential position. See ya.
 
There was an article on NFL.com quoting Kendricks?, saying Desean was "misunderstood". Awww.

Ain't that something?

Yeah, pretty unforgivable. And you have a coach that knows his offense can score, and that free agent receivers will wanna play there. Great time to send a message, little addition by subtraction.Really a bummer, he makes every offense better, when he's on.

 
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