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***Official 2014 World Cup Thread*** (1 Viewer)

NewlyRetired said:
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
NewlyRetired said:
@PCarrESPN: 1994 WC in the U.S. will remain most-attended WC ever (3.6M), despite 12 fewer games than each of last 5 WC.
Isn't that just because football stadiums are bigger?
Part of it was stadium size.

Part of it was our melting pot

Plenty games in those 5 WC's did not sell out so their attendance totals were not limited by sell outs.

What the US did with incredibly low profile games like Saudi Arabia vs Morocco could not be duplicated at any other WC no matter the stadium size imo.
Saw Saudi play twice in DC against Netherlands and Belgium - no real recollection of either game. Most fun I had at a game was the 1996 Olympic semi-final between Nigeria and Brazil - Nigeria pulled the upset, but the crowd was very festive throughout the game.

*to be filed under "only in America" - the biggest story of the Atlanta Games was not the play on the field, but the fact that they had to tear up the Hedges in Athens to make the field wide enough, so they could host the semi's and Gold Medal game. You would have thought they required all players to kick Uga before each match.
KSA scored a nice goal against Belgium during the groups. It was one of the goals of the tournament.

ETA: The defending could have been better
I actually did vaguely remember this goal from a long run when you posted this - then I saw the video and our seats for the game were just to the right of midfield in an upper deck, so we basically had a similar view as the camera - would not have remembered it otherwise though. I wish I had half the appreciation that I have for these games now, then. :kicksrock:

 
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Native said:
BassNBrew said:
I like this guy but enough already with the data analysis paralysis. Argentina-Netherlands wasnt one of the top 10 matches. It was a snoozefest and a massive disappointment IMO.
Wha? You're crazy that game was awesome. Nigerian keeper was on fire. Musa was awesome. Lots of back and forth action.

 
Slapdash said:
Good Posting Judge said:
Slapdash said:
The Kansas Comet said:
Good Posting Judge said:
Damn shame that Barca has Masch out of position.
Watching El Jefecito boss the midfield in this tournament has only increased my anger at Barcelona's flat refusal to sign any defender for years while now implementing this horribly mutated version of their own 'Galactico' plan, which has had the consequence of putting Mascherano in the back four. Luis Enrique needs to encourage Busquets to learn to play center back while telling Masch he's never playing anywhere else but DM for the Blaugrana. Hell, with him at DM, Barcelona might not need to sign any center backs. He has been simply outstanding in the knockout rounds, Argentina's best player since they began.
Busquets is still the better DM in my book. They need to sign a CB and play them together. That way it will be less costly when the fullbacks forget they're fullbacks.
Two defensive mids? Do you get rid of a forward position? The "Xavi" role?
The latter. Xavi isn't coming back. Busquets can be the distributor.
Rakitic?

 
Slapdash said:
Good Posting Judge said:
Slapdash said:
The Kansas Comet said:
Good Posting Judge said:
Damn shame that Barca has Masch out of position.
Watching El Jefecito boss the midfield in this tournament has only increased my anger at Barcelona's flat refusal to sign any defender for years while now implementing this horribly mutated version of their own 'Galactico' plan, which has had the consequence of putting Mascherano in the back four. Luis Enrique needs to encourage Busquets to learn to play center back while telling Masch he's never playing anywhere else but DM for the Blaugrana. Hell, with him at DM, Barcelona might not need to sign any center backs. He has been simply outstanding in the knockout rounds, Argentina's best player since they began.
Busquets is still the better DM in my book. They need to sign a CB and play them together. That way it will be less costly when the fullbacks forget they're fullbacks.
Two defensive mids? Do you get rid of a forward position? The "Xavi" role?
The latter. Xavi isn't coming back. Busquets can be the distributor.
Rakitic?
Roberto too.

 
Slapdash said:
"Good said:
Slapdash said:
The Kansas Comet said:
"Good said:
Damn shame that Barca has Masch out of position.
Watching El Jefecito boss the midfield in this tournament has only increased my anger at Barcelona's flat refusal to sign any defender for years while now implementing this horribly mutated version of their own 'Galactico' plan, which has had the consequence of putting Mascherano in the back four. Luis Enrique needs to encourage Busquets to learn to play center back while telling Masch he's never playing anywhere else but DM for the Blaugrana. Hell, with him at DM, Barcelona might not need to sign any center backs. He has been simply outstanding in the knockout rounds, Argentina's best player since they began.
Busquets is still the better DM in my book. They need to sign a CB and play them together. That way it will be less costly when the fullbacks forget they're fullbacks.
Two defensive mids? Do you get rid of a forward position? The "Xavi" role?
The latter. Xavi isn't coming back. Busquets can be the distributor.
Rakitic?
Roberto too.
Not sure where Rakitic is going to slot in, but I doubt it is the first choice XI. Roberto has a long way to go for serious playing time. I don't think Enrique is married to Pep's system so hopefully we'll see more tactical variation in the midfield to get the best players out there.

 
I didn't notice this after Vlaar's PK, but holy ####... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZbEI0UK24s
I noticed live that the spin was perfect to run back in, but he ruined it by shouldering the ball. He gave it a quick flick with his right shoulder.
Did he? I can't tell from the link. Oh well.
Yeah... that's too far away to see it. But on the broadcast you could see him give it a quick flick. Would have been interesting to see if it made it back on it's own. Had quite a bit of backspin on the bounce.

 
Yeah... that's too far away to see it. But on the broadcast you could see him give it a quick flick. Would have been interesting to see if it made it back on it's own. Had quite a bit of backspin on the bounce.
Lets say Vlaar does not touch it and it spins back.

Lets further say Vlaar follows it back towards the net, obstructing the keeper, to give the ball time to go in.

What does the ref do? Is that a re-kick or does a penalty on kicker just end the shot for good with no goal?

 
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I didn't notice this after Vlaar's PK, but holy ####... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZbEI0UK24s
I noticed live that the spin was perfect to run back in, but he ruined it by shouldering the ball. He gave it a quick flick with his right shoulder.
Did he? I can't tell from the link. Oh well.
Yeah... that's too far away to see it. But on the broadcast you could see him give it a quick flick. Would have been interesting to see if it made it back on it's own. Had quite a bit of backspin on the bounce.
I saw a shot yesterday from a different angle that seems to show him ducking out of the way so it misses his shoulder. It looked pretty clearly to have not touched him. In any case, it did not cross the line so no matter, but was very close.

 
No idea what the rules say about Vlaar shielding the ball as it's rolling in, but I suspect the ref would blow the whistle just on general principle. Would be a great question for the soccer refs board.

 
Yeah... that's too far away to see it. But on the broadcast you could see him give it a quick flick. Would have been interesting to see if it made it back on it's own. Had quite a bit of backspin on the bounce.
Lets say Vlaar does not touch it and it spins back.

Lets further say Vlaar follows it back towards the net, obstructing the keeper, to give the ball time to go in.

What does the ref do? Is that a re-kick or does a penalty on kicker just end the shot for good with no goal?
that happened somewhere recently... IIRC, in the Middle East? Pretty sure the goal was given while the GK was off celebrating...

 
Yeah... that's too far away to see it. But on the broadcast you could see him give it a quick flick. Would have been interesting to see if it made it back on it's own. Had quite a bit of backspin on the bounce.
Lets say Vlaar does not touch it and it spins back.

Lets further say Vlaar follows it back towards the net, obstructing the keeper, to give the ball time to go in.

What does the ref do? Is that a re-kick or does a penalty on kicker just end the shot for good with no goal?
that happened somewhere recently... IIRC, in the Middle East? Pretty sure the goal was given while the GK was off celebrating...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBDGmUEcHaw

 
Yeah... that's too far away to see it. But on the broadcast you could see him give it a quick flick. Would have been interesting to see if it made it back on it's own. Had quite a bit of backspin on the bounce.
Lets say Vlaar does not touch it and it spins back.

Lets further say Vlaar follows it back towards the net, obstructing the keeper, to give the ball time to go in.

What does the ref do? Is that a re-kick or does a penalty on kicker just end the shot for good with no goal?
that happened somewhere recently... IIRC, in the Middle East? Pretty sure the goal was given while the GK was off celebrating...
It's definitely good if it just rolls in. I think NR is asking what happens if the PK taker follows the ball towards goal and shields it from the keeper as he tries to get back into the play and make the save a second time.

 
Yeah... that's too far away to see it. But on the broadcast you could see him give it a quick flick. Would have been interesting to see if it made it back on it's own. Had quite a bit of backspin on the bounce.
Lets say Vlaar does not touch it and it spins back.

Lets further say Vlaar follows it back towards the net, obstructing the keeper, to give the ball time to go in.

What does the ref do? Is that a re-kick or does a penalty on kicker just end the shot for good with no goal?
that happened somewhere recently... IIRC, in the Middle East? Pretty sure the goal was given while the GK was off celebrating...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrMeDMWbXuQ

 
Yeah... that's too far away to see it. But on the broadcast you could see him give it a quick flick. Would have been interesting to see if it made it back on it's own. Had quite a bit of backspin on the bounce.
Lets say Vlaar does not touch it and it spins back.

Lets further say Vlaar follows it back towards the net, obstructing the keeper, to give the ball time to go in.

What does the ref do? Is that a re-kick or does a penalty on kicker just end the shot for good with no goal?
that happened somewhere recently... IIRC, in the Middle East? Pretty sure the goal was given while the GK was off celebrating...
It's definitely good if it just rolls in. I think NR is asking what happens if the PK taker follows the ball towards goal and shields it from the keeper as he tries to get back into the play and make the save a second time.
Yes that is what I am asking. I have no idea what the rule is if the kicker commits a penalty since it must be incredibly rare.

 
Yeah... that's too far away to see it. But on the broadcast you could see him give it a quick flick. Would have been interesting to see if it made it back on it's own. Had quite a bit of backspin on the bounce.
Lets say Vlaar does not touch it and it spins back.

Lets further say Vlaar follows it back towards the net, obstructing the keeper, to give the ball time to go in.

What does the ref do? Is that a re-kick or does a penalty on kicker just end the shot for good with no goal?
that happened somewhere recently... IIRC, in the Middle East? Pretty sure the goal was given while the GK was off celebrating...
It's definitely good if it just rolls in. I think NR is asking what happens if the PK taker follows the ball towards goal and shields it from the keeper as he tries to get back into the play and make the save a second time.
Yes that is what I am asking. I have no idea what the rule is if the kicker commits a penalty since it must be incredibly rare.
andy just found the fifa rule book wormhole vortex...

 
I didn't notice this after Vlaar's PK, but holy ####... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZbEI0UK24s
I noticed live that the spin was perfect to run back in when it bounced, but he ruined it by shouldering the ball. He gave it a quick flick with his right shoulder.
It looked like it died without fully crossing the line anyway. Hawk-Eye says no goal.
I don't think he touched it. The ball went past the player briefly and a shoulder isn't going to give the ball spin. But, it did not go over the line fully so no goal.

 
Yeah... that's too far away to see it. But on the broadcast you could see him give it a quick flick. Would have been interesting to see if it made it back on it's own. Had quite a bit of backspin on the bounce.
Lets say Vlaar does not touch it and it spins back.

Lets further say Vlaar follows it back towards the net, obstructing the keeper, to give the ball time to go in.

What does the ref do? Is that a re-kick or does a penalty on kicker just end the shot for good with no goal?
that happened somewhere recently... IIRC, in the Middle East? Pretty sure the goal was given while the GK was off celebrating...
It's definitely good if it just rolls in. I think NR is asking what happens if the PK taker follows the ball towards goal and shields it from the keeper as he tries to get back into the play and make the save a second time.
Yes that is what I am asking. I have no idea what the rule is if the kicker commits a penalty since it must be incredibly rare.
I am sure the refs would call a foul and nullify the goal simply for the player interfering with the gk. GKs are treated like qbs these days and get calls for guys looking at them wrong.

 
Yeah... that's too far away to see it. But on the broadcast you could see him give it a quick flick. Would have been interesting to see if it made it back on it's own. Had quite a bit of backspin on the bounce.
Lets say Vlaar does not touch it and it spins back.

Lets further say Vlaar follows it back towards the net, obstructing the keeper, to give the ball time to go in.

What does the ref do? Is that a re-kick or does a penalty on kicker just end the shot for good with no goal?
that happened somewhere recently... IIRC, in the Middle East? Pretty sure the goal was given while the GK was off celebrating...
It's definitely good if it just rolls in. I think NR is asking what happens if the PK taker follows the ball towards goal and shields it from the keeper as he tries to get back into the play and make the save a second time.
Yes that is what I am asking. I have no idea what the rule is if the kicker commits a penalty since it must be incredibly rare.
I am sure the refs would call a foul and nullify the goal simply for the player interfering with the gk. GKs are treated like qbs these days and get calls for guys looking at them wrong.
Right, but that is not what I am asking specfically.

I am asking what the rule is. Do you re-kick the pk or is it just nullified? It would not shock me if there was no specific verbiage in the FIFA rules based on this question.

 
Yeah... that's too far away to see it. But on the broadcast you could see him give it a quick flick. Would have been interesting to see if it made it back on it's own. Had quite a bit of backspin on the bounce.
Lets say Vlaar does not touch it and it spins back.

Lets further say Vlaar follows it back towards the net, obstructing the keeper, to give the ball time to go in.

What does the ref do? Is that a re-kick or does a penalty on kicker just end the shot for good with no goal?
that happened somewhere recently... IIRC, in the Middle East? Pretty sure the goal was given while the GK was off celebrating...
It's definitely good if it just rolls in. I think NR is asking what happens if the PK taker follows the ball towards goal and shields it from the keeper as he tries to get back into the play and make the save a second time.
Yes that is what I am asking. I have no idea what the rule is if the kicker commits a penalty since it must be incredibly rare.
I am sure the refs would call a foul and nullify the goal simply for the player interfering with the gk. GKs are treated like qbs these days and get calls for guys looking at them wrong.
Right, but that is not what I am asking specfically.

I am asking what the rule is. Do you re-kick the pk or is it just nullified? It would not shock me if there was no specific verbiage in the FIFA rules based on this question.
I'd bet that it is an obstruction foul on the taker and no re-kick.

 
Yeah... that's too far away to see it. But on the broadcast you could see him give it a quick flick. Would have been interesting to see if it made it back on it's own. Had quite a bit of backspin on the bounce.
Lets say Vlaar does not touch it and it spins back.

Lets further say Vlaar follows it back towards the net, obstructing the keeper, to give the ball time to go in.

What does the ref do? Is that a re-kick or does a penalty on kicker just end the shot for good with no goal?
that happened somewhere recently... IIRC, in the Middle East? Pretty sure the goal was given while the GK was off celebrating...
It's definitely good if it just rolls in. I think NR is asking what happens if the PK taker follows the ball towards goal and shields it from the keeper as he tries to get back into the play and make the save a second time.
Yes that is what I am asking. I have no idea what the rule is if the kicker commits a penalty since it must be incredibly rare.
I am sure the refs would call a foul and nullify the goal simply for the player interfering with the gk. GKs are treated like qbs these days and get calls for guys looking at them wrong.
Right, but that is not what I am asking specfically.

I am asking what the rule is. Do you re-kick the pk or is it just nullified? It would not shock me if there was no specific verbiage in the FIFA rules based on this question.
that is a good question. and a shootout is different then a pk in the course of a game. Plus if the keeper moves early the ref can give a retake on the kick. BUT I am going to guess you are right there is no clear verbiage and the ref has discretion to make a call. My guess is that there would be no re-kick and it goes down as a miss.

 
World Cup - FIFA announce nominees for Golden Ball Four German players have been included on FIFA’s ten-man shortlist for the 2014 World Cup Golden Ball.

The Golden Ball is awarded to the best player at the World Cup, with the winner voted for by representatives of the media.

The award was first handed out to Argentina striker Mario Kempes at the 1978 World Cup and has since been awarded to the likes of Diego Maradona, Ronaldo, Zinedine Zidane and Diego Forlan.

The full shortlist is as follows:

Angel Di Maria (Argentina)

Mats Hummels (Germany)


Toni Kroos (Germany)

Philipp Lahm (Germany)

Javier Mascherano (Argentina)

Lionel Messi (Argentina)

Thomas Mueller (Germany)

Neymar (Brazil)

Arjen Robben (Netherlands)

James Rodriguez (Colombia)

FIFA also revealed the players on the shortlist for the Best Young Player and Golden Glove Award.

The Netherlands' Memphis Depay and France duo Paul Pogba and Rapaael Varane are the three candidates for the Best Young Player Award.

Costa Rica's Keylor Navas, Germany's Manuel Neuer and Argentina's Sergio Romero are on the shortlist for the tournament's best goalkeeper.

eta Howard not on the keeper list and neither is ochoa.

 
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Messi already a pretty strong favorite to win Golden Ball, but I would have voted for Rodriguez personally.

If Muller scores a goal tomorrow (And Messi doesn't put in 3+), Muller will win his second Golden Boot, first player to ever do so.

 
eta Howard not on the keeper list and neither is ochoa.
Surprised about Ochoa but not about Howard. Howard had one fantastic game but he was pretty average in the other three, a bit lucky that a couple of goofs did not turn into goals. Another thing about the list of players, there is not a single name on the list in any category did not make at least the quarter finals if I am not mistaken.

 
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eta Howard not on the keeper list and neither is ochoa.
Surprised about Ochoa but not about Howard. Howard had one fantastic game but he was pretty average in the other three, a bit lucky that a couole of goofs did not turn into goals.

Another thing about the list of players, there not a single name on the list in any category did not make at least the quarter finals if I am not mistaken.
I think you are right. maybe had the US beat Belgium Howard would be on there.

 
eta Howard not on the keeper list and neither is ochoa.
Surprised about Ochoa but not about Howard. Howard had one fantastic game but he was pretty average in the other three, a bit lucky that a couole of goofs did not turn into goals.

Another thing about the list of players, there not a single name on the list in any category did not make at least the quarter finals if I am not mistaken.
I think you are right. maybe had the US beat Belgium Howard would be on there.
FIFA hates America. Thanks a lot, Obama! :hot:

 
Good piece in Slate about Germany 7-1 Brazil.

There is no mercy rule in football but at that moment you dearly hoped that Germany would throttle back. The emotional deceleration was too brutal for the host country to handle. It was as though the seven years since Brazil won the right to host the World Cup had been an elaborate joke leading up to this six-minute punchline.
 
B Maverick said:
World Cup - FIFA announce nominees for Golden Ball Four German players have been included on FIFA’s ten-man shortlist for the 2014 World Cup Golden Ball.

The Golden Ball is awarded to the best player at the World Cup, with the winner voted for by representatives of the media.

The award was first handed out to Argentina striker Mario Kempes at the 1978 World Cup and has since been awarded to the likes of Diego Maradona, Ronaldo, Zinedine Zidane and Diego Forlan.

The full shortlist is as follows:

Angel Di Maria (Argentina)

Mats Hummels (Germany)


Toni Kroos (Germany)

Philipp Lahm (Germany)

Javier Mascherano (Argentina)

Lionel Messi (Argentina)

Thomas Mueller (Germany)

Neymar (Brazil)

Arjen Robben (Netherlands)

James Rodriguez (Colombia)

FIFA also revealed the players on the shortlist for the Best Young Player and Golden Glove Award.

The Netherlands' Memphis Depay and France duo Paul Pogba and Rapaael Varane are the three candidates for the Best Young Player Award.

Costa Rica's Keylor Navas, Germany's Manuel Neuer and Argentina's Sergio Romero are on the shortlist for the tournament's best goalkeeper.

eta Howard not on the keeper list and neither is ochoa.
1. Robben

2. Mueller

3. Hames

Best Young Player - Pogba, Varane, Depay

Golden Glove - Neuer, Navas, Romero

 
Top-3 for Golden Ball will probably be Messi, Mueller, Robben - but I don't think Messi has stood out - albeit because teams are focused on shutting him down, Colombia need to go further for Hames to get more recognition, but he deserves some (and it will like come via a transfer and new contract...)

 

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