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****Official 2015 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread **** (1 Viewer)
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This could be an amazing pick. The guy is the perfect size, nimble feet, power. His only knocks are technique issues, but he hasnt played a ton. You can fix technique. Cant teach size. 6th round shot at a fixture at tackle? Hell yeah roll the dice.
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flapgreen
Footballguy
Per @mike_e_kaye, UCLA S Anthony Jefferson to the Bears. We had him as a 4th/5th rounder: http://t.co/zZ7Q0VQBIKhttp://t.co/FlVe8I1N2L
Someone liked their draft:
Chicago BearsDraft pick: WR Kevin White(No. 7 overall), DT Eddie Goldman (No. 39 overall), OL Hroniss Grasu (No. 71 overall), RB Jeremy Langford (No. 106 overall), S Adrian Amos (No. 142 overall), OL Tayo Fabuluje (No. 183 overall)
Day 1 grade: A
Day 2 grade: A
Day 3 grade: B+
Overall grade: A
The skinny: The hometown crowd reacted positively to the Bears' first pick, and it wasn't alone. New GM Ryan Pace grabbed a player with arguably the highest upside in the draft.Jay Cutler said goodbye to Brandon Marshall and hello to someone with the potential to be even better in White, which has to make Cutler happy even if the front office might have tried to trade him. Good luck to opposing defenses trying to defend White and Alshon Jeffrey. At times, Goldman was dominant in the middle of Florida State's defense, and John Fox is hoping that happens in the Windy City. Oregon offensive linemen have worked out well for the Bears in recent years, and Grasu should continue that trend.
Bottom line: Nice start for new GM Ryan Pace, landing key fits and players who could have long NFL careers.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000488931/article/2015-nfl-draft-final-quicksnap-grades-for-nfc-north-teams
Chicago BearsDraft pick: WR Kevin White(No. 7 overall), DT Eddie Goldman (No. 39 overall), OL Hroniss Grasu (No. 71 overall), RB Jeremy Langford (No. 106 overall), S Adrian Amos (No. 142 overall), OL Tayo Fabuluje (No. 183 overall)
Day 1 grade: A
Day 2 grade: A
Day 3 grade: B+
Overall grade: A
The skinny: The hometown crowd reacted positively to the Bears' first pick, and it wasn't alone. New GM Ryan Pace grabbed a player with arguably the highest upside in the draft.Jay Cutler said goodbye to Brandon Marshall and hello to someone with the potential to be even better in White, which has to make Cutler happy even if the front office might have tried to trade him. Good luck to opposing defenses trying to defend White and Alshon Jeffrey. At times, Goldman was dominant in the middle of Florida State's defense, and John Fox is hoping that happens in the Windy City. Oregon offensive linemen have worked out well for the Bears in recent years, and Grasu should continue that trend.
Bottom line: Nice start for new GM Ryan Pace, landing key fits and players who could have long NFL careers.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000488931/article/2015-nfl-draft-final-quicksnap-grades-for-nfc-north-teams
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Rotoworld has us at B....time will tell like all drafts.
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/53887/174/draft-2015-nfc-draft-grades
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/53887/174/draft-2015-nfc-draft-grades
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
From the Washington Post:
CHICAGO BEARS: The Bears did very well, getting immediate difference-makers on both sides of the ball. Kevin White is a potential game-breaker at wide receiver. Some thought he might go fourth overall to the Raiders but Chicago didn’t have to move up from the seventh spot to get him. The Bears were able to get DT Eddie Goldman, considered a potential first-round choice, seven picks into the second round, and adding C Hroniss Grasu in the third round fortifies the middle of the offensive line. Grade: A-
CHICAGO BEARS: The Bears did very well, getting immediate difference-makers on both sides of the ball. Kevin White is a potential game-breaker at wide receiver. Some thought he might go fourth overall to the Raiders but Chicago didn’t have to move up from the seventh spot to get him. The Bears were able to get DT Eddie Goldman, considered a potential first-round choice, seven picks into the second round, and adding C Hroniss Grasu in the third round fortifies the middle of the offensive line. Grade: A-
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
From Walter Football....http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgradesteam.php
Chicago Bears: A- Grade
Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: The Bears should also be desperate to move up for Marcus Mariota. However, their chances aren't as likely because, well, why in the world would the Titans want a heartless bum quarterback? Chicago will finally replace Cutler next year - check out my 2016 NFL Mock Draft - but in the meantime, they'll need to add pieces for their new 3-4, as well as a receiver to replace Brandon Marshall and offensive linemen to have in place for their next quarterback.
2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: The Bears did indeed attempt to trade up for Mariota, but it was a hilarious, futile effort because they tried to include Cutler in the deal. Chicago would've had more luck offering dog poop to the Titans. After all, dog poop doesn't have nearly as high of a cap charge.
All kidding aside, the Bears had a terrific initial draft under this new front office. They accomplished all of their realistic goals, beginning with finding a replacement for Brandon Marshall. Kevin White was the best player available at No. 7, so he was the clear-cut correct choice. Pieces for the 3-4 were added after that. Eddie Goldman is the nose tackle Vic Fangio needed, while Adrian Amos is an athletic safety who will be able to compete for a starting job right away.
The Bears also found a couple of linemen for Cardale Jones, Christian Hackenberg, or whomever their next quarterback will be. Hroniss Grasu was the sort of replacement the Bears needed for the departed Roberto Garza at center, while guard Tayo Fabuluje was a solid value choice in the sixth round.
Chicago Bears: A- Grade
Goals Entering the 2015 NFL Draft: The Bears should also be desperate to move up for Marcus Mariota. However, their chances aren't as likely because, well, why in the world would the Titans want a heartless bum quarterback? Chicago will finally replace Cutler next year - check out my 2016 NFL Mock Draft - but in the meantime, they'll need to add pieces for their new 3-4, as well as a receiver to replace Brandon Marshall and offensive linemen to have in place for their next quarterback.
2015 NFL Draft Accomplishments: The Bears did indeed attempt to trade up for Mariota, but it was a hilarious, futile effort because they tried to include Cutler in the deal. Chicago would've had more luck offering dog poop to the Titans. After all, dog poop doesn't have nearly as high of a cap charge.
All kidding aside, the Bears had a terrific initial draft under this new front office. They accomplished all of their realistic goals, beginning with finding a replacement for Brandon Marshall. Kevin White was the best player available at No. 7, so he was the clear-cut correct choice. Pieces for the 3-4 were added after that. Eddie Goldman is the nose tackle Vic Fangio needed, while Adrian Amos is an athletic safety who will be able to compete for a starting job right away.
The Bears also found a couple of linemen for Cardale Jones, Christian Hackenberg, or whomever their next quarterback will be. Hroniss Grasu was the sort of replacement the Bears needed for the departed Roberto Garza at center, while guard Tayo Fabuluje was a solid value choice in the sixth round.
Max Power
Footballguy
I've come around a little on Langford. Still not the right pick at the time, but a MSU friend of mine talked him up pretty good. Solid in pass protection, good catching the ball. 4.4 speed (although he doesn't show it).
The most interesting stat - Rushed for over 100 yards in 15 straight Big Ten games. Its a longer streak than Gordon, Abdullah or Coleman ever achieved.
Reasonable draft, yes, but holes in the roster remain and the schedule aligns for a very rugged start. A 1-5 or 2-4 start doesn't figure to yield an end of season 8-8.
KCitons
Footballguy
It's too early to tell. But in order to get to 8-8, the Bears will have to win a few games where they are significant underdogs. (-6 or more)
flapgreen
Footballguy
-6 is a huge spread in the NFL. I don't see them being that big of a dog in 75% of their games.
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KCitons
Footballguy
You do when a team fails to address defensive needs. They may be able to score more points, but will be determined by Cutlers play.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Bears do play San Fran, Oak, SD, Tampa.... they should be favored or at worst -3 underdogs in those games. Also, Detroit is not as good this year having lost Suh and Fairley, and not doing anything to improve their secondary (Rasheen Mathis is getting really old) and we should at least split with Minny.
KCitons
Footballguy
SD and TB are improving. (so is Oakland, but I'm not ready to say they could beat the Bears, and not at Soldier Field) Who knows what 49ers are going to be this year. Detroit may have taken a step back on Defense, but their offense will still score on the Bears.
Why do you assume we split with Minny? If there's one team we need to keep pace with,it's the Vikings. If Teddy progresses and ADP comes back, they could sweep us for the next few years.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Would like to see all the draft experts put a grade on drafts from three years ago to accurately measure an organizations draft ability.
flapgreen
Footballguy
The rebuild is going to take a couple years at least. They addressed multiple needs in tge draft and FA. I would've loved for them to have addressed the defense more but they're building for the long haul. I don't want them reaching at certain positions at the very beginning just because we're weak there.
KCitons
Footballguy
Sure, but you need to take into account the changes on Defense. Our players were horrible while playing 4-3 last year. What makes you think any of the changes, especially last years players operating (event part time) a 3-4?
flapgreen
Footballguy
I don't think the defense is going to be good next season but they have replaced a lot of players on it already. It would be difficult to replace every player in one offseason. Likely 2 new safeties, 3 new lbs, 3 new DL. That's quite a bit of change in one season for one side of the ball.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Yeah and the Bears are not improving at all.....Gase; Fox; Fangio over the crap we had at coaching last year .... Ray McDonald; Rolle vs Conte; McPhee; Goldman; Grassu; healthy Jared Allen; healthy Slauson; Kevin White over a WR that was injured for 4 games last year (Marshall); Kyle Fuller in his 2nd year .... no improvements whatsoever!
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This is the bottom line exactly. I dont think this was a perfect draft, but it was aggressive and clearly aiming for the long haul instead of plugging immediate holes with inferior talent on a team that cant win this year no matter what. I give it a B+ right now, but at worst it ends up a C and could well be an A+.
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KCitons
Footballguy
OK, I'll bite.
Gase and Fox should take us to the Super Bowl this year. After all, they went to the Super Bowl two years ago, and the playoffs last year. Why stop at 8-8?
McDonald is nothing special. A 30 year old player with baggage. It made sense to sign him, he's a zero risk acquisition. Doesn't mean he will perform
Rolle is an improvement, but that's based only on what he brings as a leader. At 32, we could be getting him on the decline. I'm more excited to see what Amos will become.
McPhee I like. But let's see him do it when he's the guy and not just playing in sub packages.
Allen may never be healthy again. Another aged player that we are pinning our hopes on. Also, nobody knows how he will transition to the 4-3 defense.
As with all rookies, being taken in the draft does not guarantee you can play in the NFL. While I expect White to play right away, there is more to playing WR in the NFL than physical ability. Grassu may not see the field this year, and Goldman will be eased in with the rotation.
You can't use Marshalls 4 game injury as a rule, injuries are part of the game and everyone is subject to them.
That leaves Fuller. I got nothing bad to say about him. Hope he progresses this year.
The one thing you continue to ignore is that Cutler will still be at QB. He may not have been happy last year. And now he knows that Bears tried to trade him on multiple occasions. He also knows that his time in Chicago will probably be over after this season. Does that make him better or worse? I say worse. He will force things knowing he has nothing to lose. They don't call him the coach killer for nothing.
Over/under is fair at 6 games.
twistd
Footballguy
I have to agree about the timeline. I think we learned a lot about Pace and his style. He is playing a long game right now. I think he seemed to get solid value with each pick. He didn't reach for players based on need. Overall I was pleased. Two things I didn't like. One was the the pick of Langford. Taking a back up RB in the fourth, when you have so many defensive needs, I thought didn't make a lot of sense. The other was not drafting someone to play alongside Long. Mills isn't the answer. In my mind that was the highest priority for the offense. That was more important than a WR, C, or RB. Now you have a big hole at that spot that has to be filled. Their intention may be for Fabuluje to fill that role, but I think he is far too green to be able to do that this year. I don't know if Long will play RG or RT. He will probably move to RT. A guard will be easier to find than a tackle.
That all said, I don't know that the team is that much better for this year after the draft. Kevin White has a huge upside, but he is raw. I think his role may be somewhat limited in year one. Goldman I expect to step right in and play major minutes. Grasu is probably going to sit most of the year. The Bears signed Montgomery. I would expect him to be their starter and Grasu to be limited on minutes unless Montgomery gets hurt. Langford is a back up who won't see the field much if Forte is healthy. I have hopes that Amos can have an impact early. Fabuluje is a project with upside. So I think his impact this year will be minimal. Two years from now a number of these guys may be making big contributions, but this year, not so much.
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twistd
Footballguy
I have to agree. I don't think the D is going to be much improved over last year. Part of the problem is the switch to a 3-4, IMO. You are still loaded with guys who don't fit a 3-4 scheme all that well, Allen, Houston, Young, and Sutton. Sutton doesn't seem to have a position. You are asking Allen, Houston, and Young to play in space, something I don't think they are well suited to. One of them is probably going to be your OLB opposite McPhee. Goldman is a nice addition. I'm not sure if Ratliffe and Ferguson end up at NT or DE. They signed Jenkins and McDonald, who may possibly be your DEs. In the middle you have Bostic, Greene, Acho, And Foster. You hope that is adequate. You have to hope that Fuller improves after a horrendous second half of the season. You hope that Jennings plays better than he did last year. It appears that you may be improved at safety. That has been a weakness for so long. Maybe Rolle, Amos, and Vereen can change that.
I think it is going to take at least one more year to see a significant improvement in the defense. They will have to replace guys that don't fit, like Allen, Sutton, Young and Houston. They are going to have to draft defense. They need an infusion of talent from front to back. This draft just pointed out how many needs the team has. Guys like McDonald, Jenkins, Acho, and Foster, will have to hold down the fort until they have a chance to draft some young, talented players for those positions.
KCitons
Footballguy
One of the guys I work with is a big Bears fan. We were talking about the schedule today and what we were expecting. The conversation evolved into the following question:
As a Bears fan, would you be OK with going 2-14 this season as long as the two wins were against the Packers, AND 6-10 next season with 2 wins against the Packers and splitting the series against the Vikings/Lions? (the other two wins would be prime time games, or games that the Bears were underdogs)
I said yes. We would have a top 2 draft position in 2016 and top 10 in 2017. We aren't winning a Super Bowl in two years, much less making any kind of a playoff run.
As a Bears fan, would you be OK with going 2-14 this season as long as the two wins were against the Packers, AND 6-10 next season with 2 wins against the Packers and splitting the series against the Vikings/Lions? (the other two wins would be prime time games, or games that the Bears were underdogs)
I said yes. We would have a top 2 draft position in 2016 and top 10 in 2017. We aren't winning a Super Bowl in two years, much less making any kind of a playoff run.
flapgreen
Footballguy
2-14 would be a disaster. I would not be OK with that. I wouldn't even like 6-10. 6-10 next season would be even worse, especially considering the staff we now have.
KCitons
Footballguy
What is the difference between 8-8 and 2-10? Besides the six wins. Neither one will get you into the playoffs.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Going 2-14 would be brutal. While they have a tough schedule, the NFL is a funny beast. Wins show up when least expected. They still have playmakers that will score. I am not saying that they will run the table but they should hover around 6 or 7 wins. They were just brutal at home last year and the new coaching staff will help them be better prepared. The defensive hope is readily apparent but the one unit that needs to improve with the defense is the special teams. They were just brutal. Cutler will cost them at least 3 games.
flapgreen
Footballguy
It would mean that we aren't terrible. In rebuild mode and a new system, 8-8 would be a huge success in the first season. 2-14 teams are always awful. We still have a lot of talent on offense and a fantastic coaching staff now. I'm finally optimistic about where the franchise is headed. I love George and his passion for the Bears. For years, I've been one of the most negative people on here, usually for good reason. Now, we're finally making sweeping changes and hopefully moving into a new era for the Bears. We're at least a couple years out but it's exciting to see the direction we're headed.
I realize most people are pointing toward the decision to keep Cutler as a terrible move but I really don't think that had a choice. They tried to trade him multiple times and it didn't work. No one wanted him. And when it comes down to it, he's still far better than anything else that was available. After next season, we can move on.
I realize most people are pointing toward the decision to keep Cutler as a terrible move but I really don't think that had a choice. They tried to trade him multiple times and it didn't work. No one wanted him. And when it comes down to it, he's still far better than anything else that was available. After next season, we can move on.
