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*** Official 2015 College Football Thread *** (2 Viewers)

UGA seems high. They have what? 2 BCS bowl wins and 1 or 2 SEC titles?  How does that get your top 10?

Miami seems high too - had maybe the greatest team ever in 2001 and another in 2002 but they've been nearly non-existent since then. 

 
Capella said:
ACC Network will launch by August 2019 & ACC extends conference grant of rights thru 2036, sources told @ESPN

ACCs new grant of rights means if Notre Dame joins football conference before 2036, it has to be ACC
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About time those Domers got in a conference. 

 
bigmarc27 said:
UGA seems high. They have what? 2 BCS bowl wins and 1 or 2 SEC titles?  How does that get your top 10?

Miami seems high too - had maybe the greatest team ever in 2001 and another in 2002 but they've been nearly non-existent since then. 
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Yeah Miami seems way too high.  Boise State too high as well IMO.  

 
We've been watching this closely here in Mass. waiting to see what the Big 12 would do. With UMass entering its first year of independence and no conference affiliation on the horizon, the dominoes falling in line for a potential invite to the AAC would be YUGE!

 
Christo said:
Wouldn't surprise me to see Memphis and Cincy.
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It would surprise me. BYU is the obvious #1 and Houston probably #2. Not sure what either of those schools bring to the conference. At least with UCF you get into the Florida recruiting mix as a whole. 

 
Doctor Detroit said:
It would surprise me. BYU is the obvious #1 and Houston probably #2. Not sure what either of those schools bring to the conference. At least with UCF you get into the Florida recruiting mix as a whole. 
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I can see Houston to the extent it keeps the Texas/central time zone thing the Big 12 has. Right now, the team is fun to watch but that can change.

 
Tom Servo said:
I can see Houston to the extent it keeps the Texas/central time zone thing the Big 12 has. Right now, the team is fun to watch but that can change.
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I'd be surprised if Houston gets an invite. Why would TCU or Texas Tech or OK State want to give Houston entrance into their club? Its too risky that Houston will overtake them. 

 
whoknew said:
I'd be surprised if Houston gets an invite. Why would TCU or Texas Tech or OK State want to give Houston entrance into their club? Its too risky that Houston will overtake them. 
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It's not like Houston gives them new TV markets. All of the rest of the teams gives them a larger footprint.

 
whoknew said:
I'd be surprised if Houston gets an invite. Why would TCU or Texas Tech or OK State want to give Houston entrance into their club? Its too risky that Houston will overtake them. 
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Not sure what this means. What club? 

Big 12 needs the TV market, which is the biggest in all the South. Last year the Big 12 had two of the top 10 rated games, Houston is good for everyone. 

Memphis and Cincinnati are smaller markets and neither school offers anything of value. Rather not expand at all than let either of those schools in. 

 
Christo said:
And Memphis gives them Fedex with a recruiting footprint in SEC country
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Hell at this point Houston is basically SEC country. I want Houston, Memphis, Cincy, and BYU. If they have to go 16 get Colorado State and UCF.

 
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Doctor Detroit said:
Not sure what this means. What club? 

Big 12 needs the TV market, which is the biggest in all the South. Last year the Big 12 had two of the top 10 rated games, Houston is good for everyone. 

Memphis and Cincinnati are smaller markets and neither school offers anything of value. Rather not expand at all than let either of those schools in. 
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I hear you, but they have to expand. Big 12 is clearly at the bottom of the pecking order as far as the Power 5 conferences are concerned, nothing they do now will change that.

For selfish reasons I really want Colorado State. Very fun place to visit for an away game.

 
I don't think any of the available schools bring much to the table in terms or tv markets or anything like that. That's why they are available. They should go after the school's with the best overall athletic programs. Houston is a no-brainer imo. 

 
Moe. said:
I don't think any of the available schools bring much to the table in terms or tv markets or anything like that. That's why they are available. They should go after the school's with the best overall athletic programs. Houston is a no-brainer imo. 
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Houston and Tampa are 10th and 11th respectively. They both have a lot of other unappetizing traits, but tv market isn't one of them. 

As a USF fan, I don't get the UCF love coupled with the USF ignoring. They're the same ####hole school. 

 
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Capella said:
Houston and Tampa are 10th and 11th respectively. They both have a lot of other unappetizing traits, but tv market isn't one of them. 

As a USF fan, I don't get the UCF love coupled with the USF ignoring. They're the same ####hole school. 
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I understand that those are large cities. I should have been more specific. Neither school is close to the top draw in their hometown. I just don't think it's a big deal for those schools specifically. Maybe we should go after Villanova or Georgia State instead.

I know next to nothing about UCF and USF, and I don't think it's likely they expand into FL, but who knows. 

 
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Capella said:
Houston and Tampa are 10th and 11th respectively. They both have a lot of other unappetizing traits, but tv market isn't one of them. 

As a USF fan, I don't get the UCF love coupled with the USF ignoring. They're the same ####hole school. 
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I would guess though that a good portion of that 10th highest Houston TV market is already tuning into Texas, Oklahoma, TCU etc games. The question is if adding Houston adds enough incremental value to the conference to cut them into the revenue pie but if that is also enough to make it worth it for the Texas-area schools to grant them P5 status. The latter is probably a tougher sell to TCU and Oklahoma State. 

I obviously don't know how the league's TV contracts are structured but the primary reason Rutgers and Maryland were so valuable to the B1G was because BTN could get something like $0.40 cents a subscriber in states where they did not have a team, but about $1 more per sub when they did. That's how the two schools added $50MM in extra BTN revenue year 1. So in that type of scenario, the 10th largest market in a state where they already have a presence could be less valuable than the 20th largest market in a new state. 

 
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Moe. said:
I understand that those are large cities. I should have been more specific. Neither school is close to the top draw in their hometown. I just don't think it's a big deal for those schools specifically. Maybe we should go after Villanova or Georgia State instead.

I know next to nothing about UCF and USF, and I don't think it's likely they expand into FL, but who knows. 
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Well of course none of these schools are the biggest draws in a market that big. If they were, they wouldn't be available. I think the hope is to take some of these schools on and then reap the rewards as they grow. 

 
Capella said:
Houston and Tampa are 10th and 11th respectively. They both have a lot of other unappetizing traits, but tv market isn't one of them. 

As a USF fan, I don't get the UCF love coupled with the USF ignoring. They're the same ####hole school. 
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10th biggest tv market (and 3rd biggest in the south) is extremely appetizing. Or they could go Memphis so the recruiters could just send the cash express instead of using snail mail. 

 
Capella said:
Well of course none of these schools are the biggest draws in a market that big. If they were, they wouldn't be available. I think the hope is to take some of these schools on and then reap the rewards as they grow. 
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Exactly, and I guess that's my point. Markets and footprints and that crap shouldn't be a top priority, because none of the available schools move the needle in that regard.

 
Moe. said:
Exactly, and I guess that's my point. Markets and footprints and that crap shouldn't be a top priority, because none of the available schools move the needle in that regard.
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At this point they don't. Things change. 

Not really advocating for USF, even as an alum I don't think they're THAT great. But if they are looking for media markets (spoiler: they are, that's probably all they care about), then they are a player. 

Getting into Florida is probably a reasonably big deal. However it doesn't make sense to just take one of the Florida schools, and I doubt they take two. 

 
RUSF18 said:
I would guess though that a good portion of that 10th highest Houston TV market is already tuning into Texas, Oklahoma, TCU etc games. The question is if adding Houston adds enough incremental value to the conference to cut them into the revenue pie but if that is also enough to make it worth it for the Texas-area schools to grant them P5 status. The latter is probably a tougher sell to TCU and Oklahoma State. 

I obviously don't know how the league's TV contracts are structured but the primary reason Rutgers and Maryland were so valuable to the B1G was because BTN could get something like $0.40 cents a subscriber in states where they did not have a team, but about $1 more per sub when they did. That's how the two schools added $50MM in extra BTN revenue year 1. 
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Maryland was added because of the DC TV market, their endowment, and the buying power of their alumni. 

Also fwiw, ESPN radio went over the top 15 rated cfb games last year in Houston and the Big 12 had just 4 games. The Pac 12 is already talking to Houston, they are going power 5. 

 
Doctor Detroit said:
10th biggest tv market (and 3rd biggest in the south) is extremely appetizing. Or they could go Memphis so the recruiters could just send the cash express instead of using snail mail. 
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BYU is a lock if they want in right? So that only leaves 1 or 3 spots. I just can't see Memphis with that God-awful academic rep, tiny market and wretched football program. Doesn't make sense, nobody cares about basketball. 

 
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Maryland was added because of the DC TV market, their endowment, and the buying power of their alumni. 
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The only thing that matters about 2 and 3 is that it tends to fit the traditional profile of B1G schools. Louisville has the same, if not stronger, but the B1G wasn't taking them. 

 
If rather have either of those Florida schools than Memphis. 

I think BYU and Air Force or Colorado State wouldn't be bad either. Colorado should have never left the big 12 and going west seems more logical than going east. They should have gone Louisville over WVA in the first place. 

 
I still don't understand how the B12 whiffed on Louisville. Handmade partner for WVU, lots of papa johns money, great programs. What a massive whiff. Could've added them and BYU and went for a swim in the money pool. 

 
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I still don't understand how the B12 whiffed on Louisville. Handmade partner for WVU, lots of papa johns money, great programs. What a massive whiff. Could've added them and BYU and went for a swim in the money pool. 
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ACC still could have poached then, but yeah that was just so incredibly dumb.

 
Capella said:
I still don't understand how the B12 whiffed on Louisville. Handmade partner for WVU, lots of papa johns money, great programs. What a massive whiff. Could've added them and BYU and went for a swim in the money pool. 
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I'm actually still kinda surprised the ACC took Louisville. Their academics are so far below everyone else, just never thought they'd go in that direction. 

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Maryland was added because of the DC TV market, their endowment, and the buying power of their alumni. 

Also fwiw, ESPN radio went over the top 15 rated cfb games last year in Houston and the Big 12 had just 4 games. The Pac 12 is already talking to Houston, they are going power 5. 
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I agree that they are going power 5 but the Pac 12 took a meeting with Houston at UH's request. I wouldn't read too much into that.

I was surprised to see how small Maryland's endowment is according to wiki. Not that much bigger than Memphis'.

 
Moe. said:
I agree that they are going power 5 but the Pac 12 took a meeting with Houston at UH's request. I wouldn't read too much into that.

I was surprised to see how small Maryland's endowment is according to wiki. Not that much bigger than Memphis'.
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The University of Maryand system is way over a billion though and it's a top research university. It fits into the B1G perfectly. 

 
General Malaise said:
sportsbook.ag

Was with a buddy yesterday who went to USC.  He is way down on the program and thinks they get murdered by Bama early.  Thinks Helton is a waste of carbon and hiring Lynn Swann with no previous AD experience was head spinningly stupid.  
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I agree with this. Max Brown will be crazy good though. O and D lines will not be able to hang with Alabama but should be remarkably better late in year than early.

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
Absolutely no chance? Sounds like a guy that would be happy to lay 100-1 odds.
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Why would I do that when I can get better odds in Vegas?  While I think Washington is improving, they are not close to winning the PAC 12 this year.  They may finally have a winning record in the PAC 12 at 5-4.  I see losses vs Stanford, at Oregon,  at Utah, USC.  Heck, I think they may lose at WSU and possibly at AZ.  

 
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