**Official 2015 In-Season Dynasty Completed Trades Thread** (1 Viewer)

[ghostguy123]

A bit of a thread hijack that may or may not deserve its own thread, so please move if deemed necessary...

I see a lot of "still in it" teams moving recently injured studs for much less capable players as a stop gap fill-in and often disagree with the price involved for such a move. I wonder how most of you dynasty guys approach that specific occasion when considered long-term value of a move: to my thinking, just because I'm "in it" but lose K Allen, to move his dynasty value in order to make a current year run, I need a fill-in that has me as close to fully confident to placing in the money as possible (in other words, to move a stud I need to make money this year and not "hope I still make the playoffs"). Certain players, while filling a role, just don't fit that bill in my opinion. Do you guys look at it in those kind of terms or in other methods?

It would need to be a true difference maker imo to justify the move. That trade above was pretty dumb imo - I can't imagine a team where Justin Forsett and/or Kamar Aiken are the missing pieces. At least he did get Perriman to somewhat potentially offset the long term loss, but that's the type of trade that the team getting the injured stud is stealing imo.

In a lot of ways I agree, but even if you lose on the deal, you're not losing to next year at the earliest. These is potential money on the table to be won now, and Keenan Allen isn't going to help you win it.

Then make a better deal. I can't imagine that was the BEST deal this guy could get. No way.

 

[ghostguy123]

Another dynasty issue that likely deserves its own thread is the selling of core players for straight value...even when it makes little sense to your team at a given juncture.

For example, when you are offered a deal for a core RB, but it would lop-side your team at an alternate position, and leave you thin, especially relative to bye-weeks or injury concerns.

But do you such a deal anyway, simply because it's too much value to turn down...and you're left hustling to parlay the additional value to maintain your position.

Impossible to answer this without specific examples, and also knowing other team's rosters and potential follow up deals.

But to try and answer in general, yes, I will do that if the value is too good to pass up

 

[FUBAR]

Another dynasty issue that likely deserves its own thread is the selling of core players for straight value...even when it makes little sense to your team at a given juncture.

For example, when you are offered a deal for a core RB, but it would lop-side your team at an alternate position, and leave you thin, especially relative to bye-weeks or injury concerns.

But do you such a deal anyway, simply because it's too much value to turn down...and you're left hustling to parlay the additional value to maintain your position.

in general, I'll go for core players. but it's situational especially with RBs (few of whom are really core players)

tl:dr I'll trade picks and prospects for short term gains, but not players I'd consider core, even if out for the year.

Pretty much my philosophy as well.

Pretty true for me until this year where I dealt Charles - post ACL - for a 2016 1st Round Pick. I don't see him coming back to full strength at almost 30. Situation dictates dealing injured players.

Then he's not a core player to you.

 

[matttyl]

A bit of a thread hijack that may or may not deserve its own thread, so please move if deemed necessary...

I see a lot of "still in it" teams moving recently injured studs for much less capable players as a stop gap fill-in and often disagree with the price involved for such a move. I wonder how most of you dynasty guys approach that specific occasion when considered long-term value of a move: to my thinking, just because I'm "in it" but lose K Allen, to move his dynasty value in order to make a current year run, I need a fill-in that has me as close to fully confident to placing in the money as possible (in other words, to move a stud I need to make money this year and not "hope I still make the playoffs"). Certain players, while filling a role, just don't fit that bill in my opinion. Do you guys look at it in those kind of terms or in other methods?

It would need to be a true difference maker imo to justify the move. That trade above was pretty dumb imo - I can't imagine a team where Justin Forsett and/or Kamar Aiken are the missing pieces. At least he did get Perriman to somewhat potentially offset the long term loss, but that's the type of trade that the team getting the injured stud is stealing imo.

In a lot of ways I agree, but even if you lose on the deal, you're not losing to next year at the earliest. These is potential money on the table to be won now, and Keenan Allen isn't going to help you win it.

Then make a better deal. I can't imagine that was the BEST deal this guy could get. No way.

Currently it may have been. Only two teams are totally out of the playoff race in this league at this point (10 team league). The other teams aren't yet bailing for future assets.

 

[TheMaddog]

12 team non-ppr, 1/2/3+flex, 6 pts td

give: latavious Murray

get: leveon Bell

Team a: Brady

team b: gore + 2nd

Team c: tannehill

Team d: 2nd

Context for the bell trade. Owner in first place (runnerup last year) lost bell, bush , Robinson and Riddick all last week. Left with al morris and Blount. Probably a little knee jeek reaction to losing half the rb corps and no viable starter.

I agree with ghostguy. If it were reverses I don't make that trade.

In regards to hurting yourself to trade for value...I would always do that for core players. left with Hillman and duke at rbs, but you have to make that trade.

 

[ghostguy123]

A bit of a thread hijack that may or may not deserve its own thread, so please move if deemed necessary...

I see a lot of "still in it" teams moving recently injured studs for much less capable players as a stop gap fill-in and often disagree with the price involved for such a move. I wonder how most of you dynasty guys approach that specific occasion when considered long-term value of a move: to my thinking, just because I'm "in it" but lose K Allen, to move his dynasty value in order to make a current year run, I need a fill-in that has me as close to fully confident to placing in the money as possible (in other words, to move a stud I need to make money this year and not "hope I still make the playoffs"). Certain players, while filling a role, just don't fit that bill in my opinion. Do you guys look at it in those kind of terms or in other methods?

It would need to be a true difference maker imo to justify the move. That trade above was pretty dumb imo - I can't imagine a team where Justin Forsett and/or Kamar Aiken are the missing pieces. At least he did get Perriman to somewhat potentially offset the long term loss, but that's the type of trade that the team getting the injured stud is stealing imo.

In a lot of ways I agree, but even if you lose on the deal, you're not losing to next year at the earliest. These is potential money on the table to be won now, and Keenan Allen isn't going to help you win it.

Then make a better deal. I can't imagine that was the BEST deal this guy could get. No way.

Currently it may have been. Only two teams are totally out of the playoff race in this league at this point (10 team league). The other teams aren't yet bailing for future assets.

Then currently dont make that future killing deal

 

[Jeremy]

It hurts my heart to see people trading away injured studs for pennies on the dollar. They might be better off playing redraft.

 

[jmo87usc]

It hurts my heart to see people trading away injured studs for pennies on the dollar. They might be better off playing redraft.

I know this is a completed trade thread, but just wanted to share a trade I rejected to help establish a value for trading an injured stud like Bell.

I turned down a 2016 top 4 1st rounder, 2016 mid 2nd rounder and Michael Floyd for my Le'veon Bell.

Not a terrible offer, but I just don't see any piece in there close to the value of Bell. The deal even kind of makes sense for me as I am most likely a playoff team and need a decent WR like Floyd to be more competitive. However, it's just not worth losing a top 3 dynasty player for a "chance" that my team gets stronger at wr and a "chance" that I nail a starting player with those draft picks. So instead I am looking to move some other pieces for Floyd.

 

[FUBAR]

It hurts my heart to see people trading away injured studs for pennies on the dollar. They might be better off playing redraft.

I know this is a completed trade thread, but just wanted to share a trade I rejected to help establish a value for trading an injured stud like Bell.

I turned down a 2016 top 4 1st rounder, 2016 mid 2nd rounder and Michael Floyd for my Le'veon Bell.

Not a terrible offer, but I just don't see any piece in there close to the value of Bell. The deal even kind of makes sense for me as I am most likely a playoff team and need a decent WR like Floyd to be more competitive. However, it's just not worth losing a top 3 dynasty player for a "chance" that my team gets stronger at wr and a "chance" that I nail a starting player with those draft picks. So instead I am looking to move some other pieces for Floyd.

sure, trading an injured stud for picks doesn't make much sense. Floyd isn't a difference maker either. Curious to see what players like Peterson go for to a contender.

 

[ghostguy123]

Peterson was traded in my league from a bad team to a good team for jeremy hill and a 2016 first rounder that was from a fringe playoff team.

I think that was a huge overpay for peterson

 

[maxhyde]

Peterson was traded in my league from a bad team to a good team for jeremy hill and a 2016 first rounder that was from a fringe playoff team.

I think that was a huge overpay for peterson

Agreed.

Either Hill or the mid-1st would have been enough for me to ship out AP

 

[FUBAR]

Peterson was traded in my league from a bad team to a good team for jeremy hill and a 2016 first rounder that was from a fringe playoff team.

I think that was a huge overpay for peterson

Agreed.

Either Hill or the mid-1st would have been enough for me to ship out AP

The AD owner in my league wanted two 1sts a month ago. He ended up dealing Hilton and AD for a then-injured Dez. Seems like a really good deal for him.

 

[TheMaddog]

12 team non-ppr, 1/2/3+flex, 6 pts td

give: latavious Murray

get: leveon Bell

Team a: Brady

team b: gore + 2nd

Team c: tannehill

Team d: 2nd

Context for the bell trade. Owner in first place (runnerup last year) lost bell, bush , Robinson and Riddick all last week. Left with al morris and Blount. Probably a little knee jeek reaction to losing half the rb corps and no viable starter.

I agree with ghostguy. If it were reverses I don't make that trade.

In regards to hurting yourself to trade for value...I would always do that for core players. left with Hillman and duke at rbs, but you have to make that trade.

 

[ghostguy123]

Peterson was traded in my league from a bad team to a good team for jeremy hill and a 2016 first rounder that was from a fringe playoff team.

I think that was a huge overpay for peterson

Agreed.

Either Hill or the mid-1st would have been enough for me to ship out AP

I offered two late 2016 1sts for AP and a probable early 2nd. He did that other deal instead. I thought I was overpaying, but the other guys REALLY overpaid.

 

[maxhyde]

Peterson was traded in my league from a bad team to a good team for jeremy hill and a 2016 first rounder that was from a fringe playoff team.

I think that was a huge overpay for peterson

Agreed.

Either Hill or the mid-1st would have been enough for me to ship out AP

I offered two late 2016 1sts for AP and a probable early 2nd. He did that other deal instead. I thought I was overpaying, but the other guys REALLY overpaid.

Bidding wars are awesome when you are receiving offers but not so much when bidding

I also think your offer was a bit of an overpay

 

[Pwingles]

12 team, ppr/te 1.5

Q, 1-2 rb, 3,6 wr, 1-2 Te

Team is a contender with a solid core, TE by far my weakest position. Currently rostering JCam and Donnell as my only 'startable' options. Needed to make a move to assure more pts at the position weekly.

Sent Aiken, Hunter, early 2016 2nd (byes and injuries left him needy at wr, has olsen)

Recieved JT

 

[Hankmoody]

12 man .5/1.0/1.5 PPR

Team A gave Jeremy Hill

Team B gave 21016 2nd (1-2)

All these Bell trades, is no one concerned about Bell's long-term prognosis? What was described as an "ugly" MCL?

 

[ghostguy123]

An ugly MCL is 10x better than any ACL. Long term prognosis is fine.

That is getting Hill cheap

 

[Pwingles]

12 man .5/1.0/1.5 PPR

Team A gave Jeremy Hill

Team B gave 21016 2nd (1-2)

All these Bell trades, is no one concerned about Bell's long-term prognosis? What was described as an "ugly" MCL?

Pretty bad move for him considering that league will almost certainly be dissolved by 21016

 

[Sitch]

2 deals in a 12 team PPR league:

1) Give Charles Johnson, get Langford (post Forte injury)

2) Give Lynch, get Fitzgerald

 

[Denver724]

2 deals in a 12 team PPR league:

1) Give Charles Johnson, get Langford (post Forte injury)

2) Give Lynch, get Fitzgerald

Johnson is being dropped in many of my dyno leagues. Getting Langford for Johnson is a steal.

 

[maxhyde]

2 deals in a 12 team PPR league:

1) Give Charles Johnson, get Langford (post Forte injury)

2) Give Lynch, get Fitzgerald

Pretty even but Langford is more useful today. I sold Langford where I owned

Lynch

12 man .5/1.0/1.5 PPR

Team A gave Jeremy Hill

Team B gave 21016 2nd (1-2)

All these Bell trades, is no one concerned about Bell's long-term prognosis? What was described as an "ugly" MCL?

Not good. Patience people patience

 

[Longtucky Lemmings]

12 man, ppr. QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, TE, Flex

Team A Gave:

Breshad Perriman

3rd rd pick

Team B Gave:

1st rd pick

2nd rd pick

 

[Sitch]

12 team PPR

I gave: L.Miller, Watkins, Olsen, 2016 1st (playoff team, so 9-12 but not my pick)

I got: Freeman, K.Allen

I'm in a rebuild here and moving Watkins was tough, but I felt the chance to add Freeman and Allen (at a reduced cost) was too good to pass up. Still have my 1st and another 1st (both likely top 4 picks)

 

[maxhyde]

12 man, ppr. QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, TE, Flex

Team A Gave:

Breshad Perriman

3rd rd pick

Team B Gave:

1st rd pick

2nd rd pick

Not sure why but OK/even enough

If they are roughly the same late picks I probably would have kept last years model

12 team PPR

I gave: L.Miller, Watkins, Olsen, 2016 1st (playoff team, so 9-12 but not my pick)

I got: Freeman, K.Allen

I'm in a rebuild here and moving Watkins was tough, but I felt the chance to add Freeman and Allen (at a reduced cost) was too good to pass up. Still have my 1st and another 1st (both likely top 4 picks)

Rebuild you bought Freeman/Allen at their all time high prices and sold Watkins at his low. It isn't a bad deal necessarily but not one I would make in that situation. I still probably prefer Watkins to Allen though so maybe I am not the best source.

Still overall a decent deal if you believe in Freeman long term

 

[shahekee]

Team A gives

Dez Bryant

Team B gives

Kelvin Benjamin

2 late 1st round picks in '16

 

[maxhyde]

Team A gives

Dez Bryant

Team B gives

Kelvin Benjamin

2 late 1st round picks in '16

I am probably higher on KB than most but I wouldn't trade Dez in that deal

 

[ConnSKINS26]

14 team PPR. Rebuilding.

Gave:

Brandin Cooks

Late 4th

Got:

Stefan Diggs

Early 2nd

Early 3rd

 

[maxhyde]

14 team PPR. Rebuilding.

Gave:

Brandin Cooks

Late 4th

Got:

Stefan Diggs

Early 2nd

Early 3rd

Like Cooks myself

 

[shady inc]

Doozy just went down - 12 tm ppr QRRWWWT 1 Flex

Team A gave:

Matt Jones

Alfred Morris

DeAndre Hopkins

Team B gave:

Robert Turbin

Phillip Dorsett

Paul Richardson

2016 1st (looks like it'll be top 5)

2016 2nd (top 5 of 2nd round)

2016 2nd (mid to late)

2017 1st (hard to tell - mid to late maybe?)

2017 2nd (hard to tell - mid to late maybe?)

 

[Evil G]

12 Team PPR Dynasty QRRWWTKD + Flex + SuperFlex, TE Premium, 3 year contracts, no salary

Gave: Gurley, Cooper, Ryan

Got: Bortles, Evans, Ivory, Robinson, Perriman, 2016 2nd (mid) 2017 2nd (mid)

 

[ghostguy123]

Doozy just went down - 12 tm ppr QRRWWWT 1 Flex

Team A gave:

Matt Jones

Alfred Morris

DeAndre Hopkins

Team B gave:

Robert Turbin

Phillip Dorsett

Paul Richardson

2016 1st (looks like it'll be top 5)

2016 2nd (top 5 of 2nd round)

2016 2nd (mid to late)

2017 1st (hard to tell - mid to late maybe?)

2017 2nd (hard to tell - mid to late maybe?)

Hopkins easily.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

12 Team PPR Dynasty QRRWWTKD + Flex + SuperFlex, TE Premium, 3 year contracts, no salary

Gave: Gurley, Cooper, Ryan

Got: Bortles, Evans, Ivory, Robinson, Perriman, 2016 2nd (mid) 2017 2nd (mid)

That is not a good trade

I've seen Gurley go for so much more than that. Even if that 2nd was a 1st it's bad.

I have been personally declined offering more than that for Gurley

edit to add. I assume that's Riley Cooper if it's A.Cooper this would be worst trade ive seen here.

 

[kutta]

Peterson was traded in my league from a bad team to a good team for jeremy hill and a 2016 first rounder that was from a fringe playoff team.

I think that was a huge overpay for peterson

Agreed.Either Hill or the mid-1st would have been enough for me to ship out AP

I offered two late 2016 1sts for AP and a probable early 2nd. He did that other deal instead. I thought I was overpaying, but the other guys REALLY overpaid.

Bidding wars are awesome when you are receiving offers but not so much when biddingI also think your offer was a bit of an overpay

I just gave AP for Hyde and a mid-2016 first. 12 team PPR. Only have to start 1/3 plus one flex. RB's are devalued in this format so I thought it was a pretty good deal.

 

[Detroit Revival]

Gore, Diggs, 3rd rd pick for Jordy Nelson, David Johnson, and Late 1st (likely 7-10 range).1/2 ppr. I'm out of contention this year.

 

[Sabertooth]

Not involved.

Gave: Michael Floyd + 2016 1st (late)

Got: Davante Adams

 

[maxhyde]

Doozy just went down - 12 tm ppr QRRWWWT 1 Flex

Team A gave:

Matt Jones

Alfred Morris

DeAndre Hopkins

Team B gave:

Robert Turbin

Phillip Dorsett

Paul Richardson

2016 1st (looks like it'll be top 5)

2016 2nd (top 5 of 2nd round)

2016 2nd (mid to late)

2017 1st (hard to tell - mid to late maybe?)

2017 2nd (hard to tell - mid to late maybe?)

I will take Dorsett and the picks

12 Team PPR Dynasty QRRWWTKD + Flex + SuperFlex, TE Premium, 3 year contracts, no salary

Gave: Gurley, Cooper, Ryan

Got: Bortles, Evans, Ivory, Robinson, Perriman, 2016 2nd (mid) 2017 2nd (mid)

Gurley/Cooper/Ryan pretty easily

Gore, Diggs, 3rd rd pick for Jordy Nelson, David Johnson, and Late 1st (likely 7-10 range).1/2 ppr. I'm out of contention this year.

Nelson side easily

Not involved.

Gave: Michael Floyd + 2016 1st (late)

Got: Davante Adams

Floyd

 

[kyter1]

12 TM PPR QB, 2-3 RB, 3-4 WR, 1-2 TE

Gave: Bell, Rishard Matthews

Got: Ivory, Dem Thomas

Before last week I was 1st in Record and Pts, but lost both Bell and Forte. I wanted to still make a run this year.

16 TM PPR QB, 2-3 RB, 2-3 WR, 1-2 TE

Gave: Martavis Bryant

Got: McFadden

1st in Pts Record and Pts, but have been starting Vereen all year as RB2. I feel I gave up more value, but my WR's are Julio, Dez, Evans, Hurns & Rishard Matthews and wanted to take the chance.

 

[Sitch]

12 man, ppr. QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, TE, Flex

Team A Gave:

Breshad Perriman

3rd rd pick

Team B Gave:

1st rd pick

2nd rd pick

Not sure why but OK/even enough

If they are roughly the same late picks I probably would have kept last years model

12 team PPR

I gave: L.Miller, Watkins, Olsen, 2016 1st (playoff team, so 9-12 but not my pick)

I got: Freeman, K.Allen

I'm in a rebuild here and moving Watkins was tough, but I felt the chance to add Freeman and Allen (at a reduced cost) was too good to pass up. Still have my 1st and another 1st (both likely top 4 picks)

Rebuild you bought Freeman/Allen at their all time high prices and sold Watkins at his low. It isn't a bad deal necessarily but not one I would make in that situation. I still probably prefer Watkins to Allen though so maybe I am not the best source.

Still overall a decent deal if you believe in Freeman long term

I agree I bought Freeman at his high point (should note I also own Coleman) but think Allen was reduced due to his injury. If he hadn't gotten hurt, I don't think I'm able to swing this deal.

 

[ghostguy123]

12 man, ppr. QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, TE, Flex

Team A Gave:

Breshad Perriman

3rd rd pick

Team B Gave:

1st rd pick

2nd rd pick

Not sure why but OK/even enough

If they are roughly the same late picks I probably would have kept last years model

12 team PPR

I gave: L.Miller, Watkins, Olsen, 2016 1st (playoff team, so 9-12 but not my pick)

I got: Freeman, K.Allen

I'm in a rebuild here and moving Watkins was tough, but I felt the chance to add Freeman and Allen (at a reduced cost) was too good to pass up. Still have my 1st and another 1st (both likely top 4 picks)

Rebuild you bought Freeman/Allen at their all time high prices and sold Watkins at his low. It isn't a bad deal necessarily but not one I would make in that situation. I still probably prefer Watkins to Allen though so maybe I am not the best source.

Still overall a decent deal if you believe in Freeman long term

I agree I bought Freeman at his high point (should note I also own Coleman) but think Allen was reduced due to his injury. If he hadn't gotten hurt, I don't think I'm able to swing this deal.

I am thinking you should have just traded for Allen.

RBs are not guys you want to deal a ton for like this, and it isnt like Freeman is some elite talent, cause he isn't.

I dont like the move at all for either this year OR future purposes, but I am also lower on Freeman than most I think. I have heard some talk about him like he is a top 5 dynasty player. Yikes

I would like to see what you would have had to get just for Allen here

 

[maxhyde]

12 TM PPR QB, 2-3 RB, 3-4 WR, 1-2 TE

Gave: Bell, Rishard Matthews

Got: Ivory, Dem Thomas

Before last week I was 1st in Record and Pts, but lost both Bell and Forte. I wanted to still make a run this year.

16 TM PPR QB, 2-3 RB, 2-3 WR, 1-2 TE

Gave: Martavis Bryant

Got: McFadden

1st in Pts Record and Pts, but have been starting Vereen all year as RB2. I feel I gave up more value, but my WR's are Julio, Dez, Evans, Hurns & Rishard Matthews and wanted to take the chance.

Dont mind the bell trade. Do what you have to do to stay in the hunt

Less into the DMC deal but I think Bryant is overrated some and has the suspension concerns so may work out OK

 

[ghostguy123]

Bell for Ivory and Demaryius is a great deal.

SOME people seem to think Demaryius will take a huge hit without Peyton. The guy is a legit top flight WR, I don't think he will. If anything, if they have a QB who can throw more than 25 yards, he might just do even better. Maybe not better than a couple years ago, but better than this year.

 

[FreshiZ]

Bell for Ivory and Demaryius is a great deal.

SOME people seem to think Demaryius will take a huge hit without Peyton. The guy is a legit top flight WR, I don't think he will. If anything, if they have a QB who can throw more than 25 yards, he might just do even better. Maybe not better than a couple years ago, but better than this year.

Peyton probably hindering him at this point.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Few trades. Sorry if any were already posted

Hill

2016 3rd

For

Jordy

Garçon

James jones

For

Antonio Andrews

Funchess

Terence Williams

For

Ivory

Crabtree

For

2016 2nd rounder

Gio

For

Duke Johnson

Chris ivory

For

2016 first

AP

For

David Cobb

Davonte Adams

Latavious

For

Big Ben

 

[Sitch]

12 man, ppr. QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, TE, Flex

Team A Gave:

Breshad Perriman

3rd rd pick

Team B Gave:

1st rd pick

2nd rd pick

Not sure why but OK/even enough

If they are roughly the same late picks I probably would have kept last years model

12 team PPR

I gave: L.Miller, Watkins, Olsen, 2016 1st (playoff team, so 9-12 but not my pick)

I got: Freeman, K.Allen

I'm in a rebuild here and moving Watkins was tough, but I felt the chance to add Freeman and Allen (at a reduced cost) was too good to pass up. Still have my 1st and another 1st (both likely top 4 picks)

Rebuild you bought Freeman/Allen at their all time high prices and sold Watkins at his low. It isn't a bad deal necessarily but not one I would make in that situation. I still probably prefer Watkins to Allen though so maybe I am not the best source.

Still overall a decent deal if you believe in Freeman long term

I agree I bought Freeman at his high point (should note I also own Coleman) but think Allen was reduced due to his injury. If he hadn't gotten hurt, I don't think I'm able to swing this deal.

I am thinking you should have just traded for Allen.

RBs are not guys you want to deal a ton for like this, and it isnt like Freeman is some elite talent, cause he isn't.

I dont like the move at all for either this year OR future purposes, but I am also lower on Freeman than most I think. I have heard some talk about him like he is a top 5 dynasty player. Yikes

I would like to see what you would have had to get just for Allen here

I'm not high on Watkins. Would prefer Allen straight up over him to be honest. Probably overpaid a bit for Freeman but who knows, maybe I move him again

 

[menobrown]

Bell for Ivory and Demaryius is a great deal.

SOME people seem to think Demaryius will take a huge hit without Peyton. The guy is a legit top flight WR, I don't think he will. If anything, if they have a QB who can throw more than 25 yards, he might just do even better. Maybe not better than a couple years ago, but better than this year.

Peyton probably hindering him at this point.

He'll be fine without Peyton but he's also going to be 29 and predicting how players age is not easy but my preference is not have to deal with the risk of DT aging more like Calvin and less like Steve Smith. I'd do this deal if I was contending team and needed the help with Bell going down but if I'm not a contender I would far and away prefer Bell.

If I'm not a contender I tend to look at trades this way. If the startup draft was being held this summer would I prefer Bell vs DT and Ivory. My answer to that is Bell which is why I would prefer him if I was a non-contending team but this trade makes all kinds of sense for a contending team getting DT and Ivory.

 

[menobrown]

12 team league, PPR/1.5 PPR TE:

Gave: 2016#2 for what should easily be playoff team and Clive Walford

Got: Mcfadden

Context: my team is currently the #1 seed but it's outperforming how good the team really is, team has serious depth issues and just lost Steve Smith. Needed a boost or I'm just looking at getting into the playoffs, winning nothing and earning a worse draft spot.

 

[ghostguy123]

Bell for Ivory and Demaryius is a great deal.

SOME people seem to think Demaryius will take a huge hit without Peyton. The guy is a legit top flight WR, I don't think he will. If anything, if they have a QB who can throw more than 25 yards, he might just do even better. Maybe not better than a couple years ago, but better than this year.

Peyton probably hindering him at this point.

He'll be fine without Peyton but he's also going to be 29 and predicting how players age is not easy but my preference is not have to deal with the risk of DT aging more like Calvin and less like Steve Smith. I'd do this deal if I was contending team and needed the help with Bell going down but if I'm not a contender I would far and away prefer Bell.

If I'm not a contender I tend to look at trades this way. If the startup draft was being held this summer would I prefer Bell vs DT and Ivory. My answer to that is Bell which is why I would prefer him if I was a non-contending team but this trade makes all kinds of sense for a contending team getting DT and Ivory.

Yes, in the offseason I would probably prefer Bell. But there is quite a bit of value adding Ivory and Demaryius to a contending team for the remainder of this year.

Heck, I added a late 1st rounder with Bell to get AJ Green and I like the deal for myself. I would take Demaryius, Ivory, and a late 1st rather handily over AJ Green both now and next year.

 

[menobrown]

Bell for Ivory and Demaryius is a great deal.

SOME people seem to think Demaryius will take a huge hit without Peyton. The guy is a legit top flight WR, I don't think he will. If anything, if they have a QB who can throw more than 25 yards, he might just do even better. Maybe not better than a couple years ago, but better than this year.

Peyton probably hindering him at this point.

He'll be fine without Peyton but he's also going to be 29 and predicting how players age is not easy but my preference is not have to deal with the risk of DT aging more like Calvin and less like Steve Smith. I'd do this deal if I was contending team and needed the help with Bell going down but if I'm not a contender I would far and away prefer Bell.

If I'm not a contender I tend to look at trades this way. If the startup draft was being held this summer would I prefer Bell vs DT and Ivory. My answer to that is Bell which is why I would prefer him if I was a non-contending team but this trade makes all kinds of sense for a contending team getting DT and Ivory.

Yes, in the offseason I would probably prefer Bell. But there is quite a bit of value adding Ivory and Demaryius to a contending team for the remainder of this year.

Heck, I added a late 1st rounder with Bell to get AJ Green and I like the deal for myself. I would take Demaryius, Ivory, and a late 1st rather handily over AJ Green both now and next year.

And I think that is the correct mindset.

When I've got at team that is not a contender and I'm looking to sale a stud to a contender I absolutely expect that team to overpay relative to future value, like you did with Green. Some owners get this, some take offense. A ton to be said for immediacy.

 

[ghostguy123]

Yeah, there are guys in my leagues who are clearly out of the playoff hunt and looking ahead to next year, yet for whatever damn reason they still place the same value on THIS season for trades that everyone else does. It's stupid.

Just for a made up example of what I mean, I will offer something like I did with Bell for AJ Green, and they guy will say something like "I can't make this deal unless I can at least get some veteran RB who will score some points for me the rest of the year". Makes no sense how some people run their dynasty teams.

I am attempting to work a deal right now with a guy for Freeman who is out of the playoff hunt. I am offering him Keenan Allen and more to the point where even he agrees that next year the player/picks I am offering will be worth more than Freeman and he would prefer it more than Freeman, but he won't do it. He will only deal him to me for a SEVERE overpay. It's silly, and he wonders why his team is bad.

Some people are so worried about what other people teams look like that they allow that to hurt their own teams. Just terrible.