I'd probably take yeldon but it's very close.I'd take Miller quite easily.I'd take Yeldon over Miller and honestly it's not even a close call for me.And it should be noted that you're very down on LM. He's a 24 year-old rb averaging 4.7 ypc over 500+ carries. This is exactly what you want from a top dynasty rb. It's honestly madness to me that you would take TJ Yeldon over him.
I have Ebron but still think Graham is better.Dyno PPR 16 Teams - 53 Men Roster (IDP)
Gave: Jimmy Graham
Got: Eric Ebron, Brandon Lafell.
I love Ebron pedigree and think he can be a Top 5 at position for years to come. Lafell is a nice throw in. (I have Ebron higher than Graham as of now).
That's great in theory but the reality is "market value" varies widely by league.This is why trades are judged many different ways. It WAS terrible value at that time2013 after he's traded to Indy: I trade Trent for mid 1st.Ghost guy - that's terrible value!Well said.You know what else is ugly giving up pick 4 and 6 an getting Allen Robinson and Lamar Miller. So was about 20 other trades in my league. People rip people off all the time its just what happens when you play with people who don't know what they are doing and my league has tons but the best part is every time I have made a trade the past few years it has blown up in my face even when Ghostguy is saying I ripped them off like when I got Trent and when I got Foles and gave up a 1st which would been Beckham. Welcome to the world of fantasy where no one values anything similar and everyone gets beaten up in trades and the rich get richer.I think we get it.Dealing him for a mid future 1st??? Ugly
I don't post trades in here because I'm looking for feedback or to gloat at my "win". I post trades in here for the same reason I come here to read trades, to try my best to gauge trade value of players.
But the comments, grades, who won/lost, for pure entertainment reading back in this thread is fantastic but sometimes makes me wince when I see how wrong I was, but I'm not alone so it's all good.
Me- but I think Trent sucks.
Ghost guy - doesn't matter, terrible value!
2014: Used pick to draft Benjamin
Ghost guy- you can't play result! Trade still sucked.
Me- no it didn't
If I think Peterson is completely finished and will never do anything again starting tomorrow, I am not going to go unload him for pennies on the dollar. If I traded Peterson right now for a future 3rd and he never scored one more point in the league, it would still have been a terrible trade regardless of the outcome.
If you don't like a guy or think he is overvalued, fine, but trade him for market value or at least close to it. Not half or a third of his value.
From a talent standpoint I agree. But 6 Years are a lot and their ADP is not that different now (Graham 55 / Ebron 66).I have Ebron but still think Graham is better.Dyno PPR 16 Teams - 53 Men Roster (IDP)
Gave: Jimmy Graham
Got: Eric Ebron, Brandon Lafell.
I love Ebron pedigree and think he can be a Top 5 at position for years to come. Lafell is a nice throw in. (I have Ebron higher than Graham as of now).
No thanks, bad precedent, and your league mates will think you are an idiot and never pay anything any more for guys if you are selling the Petersons and Lynchs of the world for 3rd round picks. When people know you will always take "the best offer you get", you aren't going to get many good offers.That's great in theory but the reality is "market value" varies widely by league.If you don't like a guy or think he is overvalued, fine, but trade him for market value or at least close to it. Not half or a third of his value.
By all means shop around and don't accept the first offer just because you're too lazy to test the market. But if the best you can get for a player you no longer want and prefer what is offered, take the deal regardless of what the player might go for in another league.
Maybe in your leagues. In mine, if people know you'll take the best offer, they make more offers partly because they don't want other teams getting great deals. They might not start out offering a great deal but it gets the discussion going. To be clear here, you need to be active, make counter offers, etc and not just take what is given to you. A problem with letting Peterson rot if you're rebuilding is he probably helps you win a few game which in most leagues decreases the value of your future picks. You can't not start him as that would be tanking, whereas trading him away isn't.ghostguy123 said:No thanks, bad precedent, and your league mates will think you are an idiot and never pay anything any more for guys if you are selling the Petersons and Lynchs of the world for 3rd round picks. When people know you will always take "the best offer you get", you aren't going to get many good offers.FUBAR said:That's great in theory but the reality is "market value" varies widely by league.By all means shop around and don't accept the first offer just because you're too lazy to test the market. But if the best you can get for a player you no longer want and prefer what is offered, take the deal regardless of what the player might go for in another league.ghostguy123 said:If you don't like a guy or think he is overvalued, fine, but trade him for market value or at least close to it. Not half or a third of his value.
I would rather let a guy like AP rot than take a 3rd rounder right now. The reward on any future deals more than makes up for it.
If we are talking about leagues with contracts/salaries and stuff that completely changes everything, so league context is rather important, which is why this thread is so frustrating at times. People don't include vital information, and then we spend pages arguing over deals when we wouldn't be if we had been told the details.
When Calvin Johnson gets traded for a future 2nd everyone blows up. Then we come to find out Calvin is in the final year of his contract and would cost 75% of the salary cap if re-signed the following year and everyone shuts up.
Bottom line, some people are much better at working value than others, and it shows in the results.
That wouldn't be enough for me to move him. Maybe for a pair of 2016 2nds.Non ppr
Matt Jones
For
2017 2
2018 2
Same.That wouldn't be enough for me to move him. Maybe for a pair of 2016 2nds.Non ppr
Matt Jones
For
2017 2
2018 2
FFPC is opposite, if you miss the playoffs there is a losers bracket for the #1-6 picks, so it doesnt really benefit you to do that unless someone else has your future 1st, and you have someone else in the losers bracket.Maybe in your leagues. In mine, if people know you'll take the best offer, they make more offers partly because they don't want other teams getting great deals. They might not start out offering a great deal but it gets the discussion going. To be clear here, you need to be active, make counter offers, etc and not just take what is given to you.A problem with letting Peterson rot if you're rebuilding is he probably helps you win a few game which in most leagues decreases the value of your future picks. You can't not start him as that would be tanking, whereas trading him away isn't.Bottom line, some people are much better at working value than others, and it shows in the results.If you don't like a guy or think he is overvalued, fine, but trade him for market value or at least close to it. Not half or a third of his value.
I don't use the word "hero" very often, but you are the greatest hero in American history.I am very active and make a lot of deals compared to my leaguemates, all without EVER selling for pennies on the dollar. Not once. Ever
We need a new bud light commercial for this one.I don't use the word "hero" very often, but you are the greatest hero in American history.I am very active and make a lot of deals compared to my leaguemates, all without EVER selling for pennies on the dollar. Not once. Ever
Yeah I think the problem is guys dismantle teams for the allure of the 1.01 and do crap deals to do it. I get strange responses not trading productive players for less value than I think they are worth because my team had some bad luck and isn't competing. It isn't like I am being unreasonable either I just think production is worth something even if it is maybe 2-3 years and not 10FFPC is opposite, if you miss the playoffs there is a losers bracket for the #1-6 picks, so it doesnt really benefit you to do that unless someone else has your future 1st, and you have someone else in the losers bracket.
I am very active and make a lot of deals compared to my leaguemates, all without EVER selling for pennies on the dollar. Not once. Ever
I get Lacy is brutal right now but think this is an undersell. You got some guys that will help so I can understand it.Last week traded:
Lacy
Foster
Dorsett
for
Flacco
Ingram
Marshall
Needed a starting WR and RB and trying to make a play this season.
Wow. You are going for it.Gave:
John Brown
Michael Floyd
Marshawn Lynch
Thomas Rawls
2016 Mid First
2016 Late First
Got:
Devonte Freeman
Tevin Coleman
James Jones
EJ Manuel.
Obviously going for broke right now. Neither Floyd nor Brown is really a starter for me. I have Evans, Dez, Edelman (had at time of trade), and AJ Green at wideout.
Agree that I possibly undersold but I see this as pretty much a Lacy and Dorsett for Ingram and Marshall as Flacco was a throw in and I think Foster is about done.I get Lacy is brutal right now but think this is an undersell. You got some guys that will help so I can understand it.Last week traded:
Lacy
Foster
Dorsett
for
Flacco
Ingram
Marshall
Needed a starting WR and RB and trying to make a play this season.
I was never over the moon on Lacy but from a value perspective seems light
League mates felt it was an overpay.Same. My leagues won't even allow 2018 picks to be dealt yet.That wouldn't be enough for me to move him. Maybe for a pair of 2016 2nds.Non ppr
Matt Jones
For
2017 2
2018 2
I like your return for Lacy.Last week traded:
Lacy
Foster
Dorsett
for
Flacco
Ingram
Marshall
Needed a starting WR and RB and trying to make a play this season.
I would never fault someone for paying for Marshall. Haven't been many WR's over the past 10 years as productive and reliable as Marshall and I don't expect that to change in the immediate future. Probably one of the more underrated/undervalued assets over the past year for sureAgree that I possibly undersold but I see this as pretty much a Lacy and Dorsett for Ingram and Marshall as Flacco was a throw in and I think Foster is about done.
Perhaps I didn't get "full value" on what Lacy was, and maybe will be again, but feel I got enough value in Ingram that is was worth it to get the play now and mitigate the risk of Lacy spinning down the drain.
As for Marshall I needed a WR to start now and I have a few young WRs with potential who aren't contributing now (Alholor, Parker, Funchess)
Yeah, I am not really sure if I do or not. I think he's going to have to stay sharp though, otherwise Coleman might take over and be a stud himself. I'm in it to win it this season though for sure. Losing Edelman and Dion Lewis set me back but nonetheless it's championship or bust for me. This is my roster for reference.I get Lacy is brutal right now but think this is an undersell. You got some guys that will help so I can understand it.Last week traded:
Lacy
Foster
Dorsett
for
Flacco
Ingram
Marshall
Needed a starting WR and RB and trying to make a play this season.
I was never over the moon on Lacy but from a value perspective seems light
Wow. You are going for it.Gave:
John Brown
Michael Floyd
Marshawn Lynch
Thomas Rawls
2016 Mid First
2016 Late First
Got:
Devonte Freeman
Tevin Coleman
James Jones
EJ Manuel.
Obviously going for broke right now. Neither Floyd nor Brown is really a starter for me. I have Evans, Dez, Edelman (had at time of trade), and AJ Green at wideout.
Not terrible for you if you believe in Freeman long term. I don't so seems like an overpay but certainly should help you out this year
Well yeah. People that sell all their productive playes cheap usually shck forever. No secret there.maxhyde said:Yeah I think the problem is guys dismantle teams for the allure of the 1.01 and do crap deals to do it. I get strange responses not trading productive players for less value than I think they are worth because my team had some bad luck and isn't competing. It isn't like I am being unreasonable either I just think production is worth something even if it is maybe 2-3 years and not 10ghostguy123 said:FFPC is opposite, if you miss the playoffs there is a losers bracket for the #1-6 picks, so it doesnt really benefit you to do that unless someone else has your future 1st, and you have someone else in the losers bracket.
I am very active and make a lot of deals compared to my leaguemates, all without EVER selling for pennies on the dollar. Not once. Ever
No idea why this trading good players for junk value gets a free pass on tanking but to me it is tanking and messes with the integrity of the league. I don't play FFPC so I can't comment on how that works out but I feel like the 1.01 is partly overrated and overvalued in most leagues because of all the good players/value you have to dump on the way to getting it.
Anyway I think it is a foolish and terrible idea trading away good players for sub-par value to not score as many points to give your team a better shot at 1.01. You are probably better off with <insert old productive guy here>/1.03 than the crap you sold him for and 1.01
Do you have many leather-bound books and your apartment smells of rich mahogany?ghostguy123 said:I am very active and make a lot of deals compared to my leaguemates, all without EVER selling for pennies on the dollar. Not once. Ever
Possibly, but he's most certainly a big deal with very urgent announcements.Do you have many leather-bound books and your apartment smells of rich mahogany?ghostguy123 said:I am very active and make a lot of deals compared to my leaguemates, all without EVER selling for pennies on the dollar. Not once. Ever
"I'm Colin Kaepernick"jwb said:We need a new bud light commercial for this one.Dr. Octopus said:I don't use the word "hero" very often, but you are the greatest hero in American history.ghostguy123 said:I am very active and make a lot of deals compared to my leaguemates, all without EVER selling for pennies on the dollar. Not once. Ever
"Mister Fantasy Football trader guy"
In a 1RB 4 flex ppr league this is Dez easily for me even with another 1st on the Miller side12 team ppr, start 1 qb, 1-5 rb, 2-6 wr, 1-5 te
Gave L Miller and 2016 1st likely 9-12 overall as i am #2 seed at the moment
Got Dez
Gives me dez, evans, julio as my 3 starters
Ingram, lat murray, hill as rb
Interesting swap.12 tm ppr QRRWWWT 1 flex
team a gives: Odell Beckham Jr., Dion Lewis
team b gives: Antonio Brown, Marshawn Lynch
Teams are 1 and 2 in the overall standings currently
I think you did well in both deals.2 different leagues but with the same owner
12 tm 0.5 ppr
Barnidge for T. Coleman
12 tm ppr with flex
C. West for Agholor
So, after begging off my chances in 2015, all of a sudden I find myself one game out of a playoff spot with 3 weeks to play. And I have a very favorable schedule.Sold Emmanuel Sanders for a 2016 1st. Should be 7-10Sold draft picks early in the season to take my shot. Through REALLY bad luck of the schedule I'm 3-6 (losing three times to the highest score in the league, twice while having the #2 high score.)![]()
Sold Ryan Mathews and Larry Fitzgerald for a 2016 1st.
Flipped Crabtree, Amendola and the 2016 1st I got in the Mathews/Fitz dealAmendola, Danny NEP WRSold Ryan Mathews and Larry Fitzgerald for a 2016 1st.
Crabtree, Michael OAK WR
Yeah. Value still likely rolls to the Lacy side but win now move can't argue based on what we have seen this yearLacy for Forte straight up, no chaser.
Pretty solid add to WR but pretty evenPPR
Just got Landry, gave Matt Jones, a very late 1st (going to win the league) and a 3rd.
I like Sims Lockett but understandableSo, after begging off my chances in 2015, all of a sudden I find myself one game out of a playoff spot with 3 weeks to play. And I have a very favorable schedule.Sold Emmanuel Sanders for a 2016 1st. Should be 7-10Sold draft picks early in the season to take my shot. Through REALLY bad luck of the schedule I'm 3-6 (losing three times to the highest score in the league, twice while having the #2 high score.)![]()
Sold Ryan Mathews and Larry Fitzgerald for a 2016 1st.
I'm now a buyer again, and I was depleted at WR after selling Fitz and Sanders.
Got this one offered to me today and hit accept immediately:
get:
Amendola, Danny NEP WR
Crabtree, Michael OAK WR
for:
Sims, Charles TBB RB
Lockett, Tyler SEA WR
Year 2017 Round 3 Draft Pick
This is Hurns by a whole Hurns...a 'cuff for a player that is ~top20 positional scoring is not a good deal even if in a 10 team you don't project to ever start either10 team PPR qb/2rb/3wr/te/k/dt
Gave: Rawls to Lynch owner (stacked at wr, making run)
Received : Hurns
Rebuilding. WR now Jordy, Evans, Watkins, Hurns, j. Matthews, Amendola
I like West for that price10 team 2QB 3WR 2RB 2TE 2Flex .5ppr - Not involved
Team A traded: 2016 2nd and 3rd (2nd likely late, 3rd likely early-mid)
Team B traded: Charcandrick West
Team A has Charles and B is out of contention
Cooks14 team qrwwft non ppr
Gave c west
Got b cooks
Team getting cooks is 5-5 and 1/2 game back in playoff race
Brees/Dalton
Mccoy/Blount
Edelman/amendola/maclin/stevie/Jordy
Gates/miller
Team getting west is near top, lost Charles but still stacked
Brady/Stafford
Lynch/cj2k/j Charles/forsett
Calvin/arob/martavis
Olsen/ebron
Pretty good10 team IDP
A (strong contender) trades Lacy
B (out of the playoffs) trades a mid 2016 2nd, 2017 1st, and DB Corey Graham (#2 overall DB in the league right now)
Well doneStandard League...10 team
Need to rebuild...
Gave Lynch (kept Rawls)
Got Tyrod Taylor and a 2016 1st likely 5-7
Well played.tangfoot said:Flipped Crabtree, Amendola and the 2016 1st I got in the Mathews/Fitz dealAmendola, Danny NEP WRSold Ryan Mathews and Larry Fitzgerald for a 2016 1st.
Crabtree, Michael OAK WR
got:
Allen Robinson and Jonathan Stewart.
Net trade ends up Ryan Mathews, Larry Fitzgerald, Charles Sims, Tyler Lockett, 2017 3rd
For: Allen Robinson and Jonathan Stewart
Pretty cheap for FitzNot involved.
1-9 team trades his only piece albeit old.
Fitzgerald
To. 6-4 team fighting for division and will make playoffs.
Harvin
D-Jax
2016 3rd
2017 2nd
Cobb owner panicking. Essentially two 2nds, right?12 team ppr 2RB/3WR/1TE/1FLEX
Team A trades Cobb
Team B trades Rawls and 2nd round pick (mid to late)