I agree with you, seems extremely cheap and shortsighted for the team that lost Bell. Be a heck of a lot cheaper just to trade for Deangelo or West or some other stopgap.
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**Official 2015 In-Season Dynasty Completed Trades Thread** (2 Viewers)
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bostonfred
Footballguy
Way too cheap for leveon bell. Way too expensive for any other bell. The question of which bell was really just asking who got ripped off.
2 deals in 12 team PPRs:
1) I gave Kelce and Flacco and got D.Lewis, Fleener and a 2016 2nd. Only had Charles (didn't pickup West) and Murray/R.Mathews at RB. Have Gronk at TE so could part with Kelce
2) I gave Starks, Garcon, Snead and ASJ and got Brady, Forsett, Amendola. Lost Bell at RB so badly needed another RB. Have plenty of depth at WR so could part with both guys...
1) I gave Kelce and Flacco and got D.Lewis, Fleener and a 2016 2nd. Only had Charles (didn't pickup West) and Murray/R.Mathews at RB. Have Gronk at TE so could part with Kelce
2) I gave Starks, Garcon, Snead and ASJ and got Brady, Forsett, Amendola. Lost Bell at RB so badly needed another RB. Have plenty of depth at WR so could part with both guys...
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Early devy picks are good and early rookie picks are good...I think 1-3 are usually pretty solid in both drafts. After the top few devy players I would rather have rookie picks because so much can happen during a year of college and the guys we love in spring can have so m,any things affect their years. The top options are generally pretty easy to pick out.
It seems in this league the devy picks are more valuable but that is mostly one or 2 guys trying to buy them up. You are only allowed to roster 3 devy's at once so it does keep them spread out some
I can buy into both sides of that. Fair deal
I don't love Adams but he has 9 more games to prove me wrong. AP is AP and I expected a slow start but this is when I think he starts to make a difference
SieteCinco
Footballguy
Agreed. Plus, I own De'Runnya Wilson here and there's a chance he stays in school. If that happens, I wouldn't haven been able to use all three Devy picks.
Both of your teams can go either way though. I'd assume you're looking towards 2016 after you sold off Martin/Langford though? If that's the case, the Devy pick in this trade could end up being 1.01-1.03 and that would net a nice player.
I can't figure out what Brian is going to do though. I like Rivers>Mariota as well but my team is still 2-3 away from having a chance.
SieteCinco
Footballguy
12 Team, SuperFlex, TE Premium, Rookie/Devy league. I'm at the beginning of a full rebuild:
Gave: Jordan Reed, 2016 Rookie 2nd (late)
Received: 2016 Rookie 1st (late), Jace Amaro
Reed was a difficult guy to trade because everybody wanted him (think I had offers from 9/12 league mates), they knew their offers didn't match his production, but there is obvious risks. I believe there's also risk as a seller because his current trade prices will be a steal if he stays healthy.
Gave: Jordan Reed, 2016 Rookie 2nd (late)
Received: 2016 Rookie 1st (late), Jace Amaro
Reed was a difficult guy to trade because everybody wanted him (think I had offers from 9/12 league mates), they knew their offers didn't match his production, but there is obvious risks. I believe there's also risk as a seller because his current trade prices will be a steal if he stays healthy.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
12 team dynasty (FFPC)
Leveon Bell
2016 1st (guaranteed to be a pick between 9-12)
for
AJ Green
2016 3rd
Leveon Bell
2016 1st (guaranteed to be a pick between 9-12)
for
AJ Green
2016 3rd
Hardly want to turn this into a discussion on team strategy but our IR rule vote messed up any plan to sneak in the back door of the playoffsSieteCinco said:
I doubt my pick is that early but I suppose it is possible. That's the risk trading away what you think should be a later devy pick then losing your expected top 2 producers week 1 and 2.
Ifs and buts were candy and nuts...SieteCinco said:
We all know he won't/can't stay healthy so getting a 1st is a killer deal. He still will produce when healthy at a great pace especially as Cousins seems to really like him. However there is the other downside, his likely future QB isn't even on the team
thunderguns
Footballguy
Traded Devonta Freeman for Le'Veon Bell this morning.
My team is below .500, so my goal was to shed Freeman's points and improve my draft pick while getting a stud for the future.
My team is below .500, so my goal was to shed Freeman's points and improve my draft pick while getting a stud for the future.
Uncle Grandpa
Footballguy
True 32-team IDP salary cap league.
Jerrick McKinnon - 4-year, $4,000,000 contract
for
Devin Smith - 5-year, $3,050,000 contract.
Jerrick McKinnon - 4-year, $4,000,000 contract
for
Devin Smith - 5-year, $3,050,000 contract.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I like that deal for you a lot.
But how are you below 500 with Freeman on your team who wasnt supposed to do much
thunderguns
Footballguy
I'm in the top third in the league in scoring but I've had the most points scored against me in that league so far this season. Those are the breaks. That schedule plus injuries (Benjamin, Reed) and under-performing guys (Ellington, Wilson) = 3-5, even with the Freeman surprise.I like that deal for you a lot.
But how are you below 500 with Freeman on your team who wasnt supposed to do much
lardonastick
Footballguy
Not sure that is possible but not what I was suggesting. Cousins targets Reed alot and seems like a primary RZ target for him.
New QB = new chemistry was all I meant
Plainfield John
Footballguy
12 team PPR - not involved
Team A gets: DeAngelo Williams
Team B gets: Gary Barnidge
Team A is a playoff contender, while Team B is the worst team in the league. Team B got Williams off of waivers last night and pulled off the trade about a half hour after posting a message on the league message board stating that Williams was available. I come to find out that the owners of Team A and Team B are best friends, so I'm guessing they had this deal arranged in advance.
Team A gets: DeAngelo Williams
Team B gets: Gary Barnidge
Team A is a playoff contender, while Team B is the worst team in the league. Team B got Williams off of waivers last night and pulled off the trade about a half hour after posting a message on the league message board stating that Williams was available. I come to find out that the owners of Team A and Team B are best friends, so I'm guessing they had this deal arranged in advance.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Bump....nothin??? This was a big one. Figured there would be lots of opinions.
Team dealing Bell away is a strong contender. Team dealing Green away cant make the playoffs.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Well I doubt I would trade AJG for Bell but the picks make it make some sense. If it is a start 2RB league then probably pretty close.
I guess it all depends on how you feel about Bell's future
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think it's a fair deal and there's nothing wrong with basically trading away your waiver priority - but if he's truly a bad team he was probably better off trading for a future asset than a 30 year old TE having a career year.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
He could always trade barnidge now. Probably some teams out there who need a TE. Depends on what type of owner he is.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
10 team standard
Langford for 2nd (Forte owner)
Took Langford 3.9 this year and don't believe in him, so I cashed out.
Langford for 2nd (Forte owner)
Took Langford 3.9 this year and don't believe in him, so I cashed out.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
14 team no ppr
Gave (Contender): Bell
Got : Dez
Dez owner looking to next year.
Gave (Contender): Bell
Got : Dez
Dez owner looking to next year.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
opensourcebeer
Footballguy
12 team ppr, best ball scoring, start qrrwwwtfkd
Team A (currently 7-1) gave Team A's 2016 1st, 2nd, and Jamison Crowder
Team B (currently 1-7) gave Julian Edelman, Team B's 2016 3rd
Team A (currently 7-1) gave Team A's 2016 1st, 2nd, and Jamison Crowder
Team B (currently 1-7) gave Julian Edelman, Team B's 2016 3rd
opensourcebeer
Footballguy
12 team ppr, start qrrwwwtfkd
Team A (currently 6-2) gave Denard Robinson, Keenan Allen, Davante Parker, Clive Walford
Team B (currently 2-6) gave Kevin White, Willie Snead, Charcandrick West, Darren McFadden
Team A (currently 6-2) gave Denard Robinson, Keenan Allen, Davante Parker, Clive Walford
Team B (currently 2-6) gave Kevin White, Willie Snead, Charcandrick West, Darren McFadden
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Well he could, but I'd guess more teams would be looking for a RB than a TE with all of the recent RB injuries.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
True, or he just keeps Barnidge in hopes he remains a good TE.
What do you expect to get in any reasonable league for Williams anyway? 3rd? MAYBE a 2nd to the right team? I can see plenty of leagues where it would be hard to get a 2nd.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Both teams strong contenders (both look to win their division and be in the top 5 out of 32 teams) in different conferences, salary cap league
(Numbers are salary and years left)
A gives
Hill, Jeremy CIN RB. 1700/3
Davis, Ryan JAC DE. 900/3
Langford, Kendall IND DE. 1600/2
Posluszny, Paul JAC LB. 13600/2
Ihedigbo, James DET S 2700/2
B gives
Watt, J.J. HOU DE. 19900/1
Watt can be tagged at 20% higher next year (24000 - roughly the same as luck, Brees, Rodgers, Lacy and less than d Thomas or matt Ryan)
(Numbers are salary and years left)
A gives
Hill, Jeremy CIN RB. 1700/3
Davis, Ryan JAC DE. 900/3
Langford, Kendall IND DE. 1600/2
Posluszny, Paul JAC LB. 13600/2
Ihedigbo, James DET S 2700/2
B gives
Watt, J.J. HOU DE. 19900/1
Watt can be tagged at 20% higher next year (24000 - roughly the same as luck, Brees, Rodgers, Lacy and less than d Thomas or matt Ryan)
ghostguy123
Footballguy
12 team FFPC dynasty. Both teams will make the playoffs.
Randal Cobb
2016 1st (guaranteed to miss playoffs, truly random pick between 1-6)
Chris Johnson
for
Deandre Hopkins
two 2016 2nds
Randal Cobb
2016 1st (guaranteed to miss playoffs, truly random pick between 1-6)
Chris Johnson
for
Deandre Hopkins
two 2016 2nds
FUBAR
Footballguy
That one guy
Footballguy
A bit of a thread hijack that may or may not deserve its own thread, so please move if deemed necessary...
I see a lot of "still in it" teams moving recently injured studs for much less capable players as a stop gap fill-in and often disagree with the price involved for such a move. I wonder how most of you dynasty guys approach that specific occasion when considered long-term value of a move: to my thinking, just because I'm "in it" but lose K Allen, to move his dynasty value in order to make a current year run, I need a fill-in that has me as close to fully confident to placing in the money as possible (in other words, to move a stud I need to make money this year and not "hope I still make the playoffs"). Certain players, while filling a role, just don't fit that bill in my opinion. Do you guys look at it in those kind of terms or in other methods?
I see a lot of "still in it" teams moving recently injured studs for much less capable players as a stop gap fill-in and often disagree with the price involved for such a move. I wonder how most of you dynasty guys approach that specific occasion when considered long-term value of a move: to my thinking, just because I'm "in it" but lose K Allen, to move his dynasty value in order to make a current year run, I need a fill-in that has me as close to fully confident to placing in the money as possible (in other words, to move a stud I need to make money this year and not "hope I still make the playoffs"). Certain players, while filling a role, just don't fit that bill in my opinion. Do you guys look at it in those kind of terms or in other methods?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It would need to be a true difference maker imo to justify the move. That trade above was pretty dumb imo - I can't imagine a team where Justin Forsett and/or Kamar Aiken are the missing pieces. At least he did get Perriman to somewhat potentially offset the long term loss, but that's the type of trade that the team getting the injured stud is stealing imo.
matttyl
Footballguy
In a lot of ways I agree, but even if you lose on the deal, you're not losing to next year at the earliest. These is potential money on the table to be won now, and Keenan Allen isn't going to help you win it.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Sure, but I'm not trading a young stud away for a short term asset, unless I'm somewhat certain that the asset pushes me over the top. I'll never regret trading an early 2nd for Tiki Barber during his last year (2006), because IIRC he won me the championship (we had a week 17 SB when he ran for 234 yards and 3 TDs) even if that pick had turned out to be Paul Posluszny (more likely it would have been Chris Henry) but I sure wasn't going to trade Roddy White for him at the time (which is basically what the above Allen trade did).
Like you said though, he did get Perriman who should probably be valued as a late 1st / early 2nd still.
tl:dr I'll trade picks and prospects for short term gains, but not players I'd consider core, even if out for the year.
opensourcebeer
Footballguy
Pretty much my philosophy as well.
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Evil G
Footballguy
Another dynasty issue that likely deserves its own thread is the selling of core players for straight value...even when it makes little sense to your team at a given juncture.
For example, when you are offered a deal for a core RB, but it would lop-side your team at an alternate position, and leave you thin, especially relative to bye-weeks or injury concerns.
But do you such a deal anyway, simply because it's too much value to turn down...and you're left hustling to parlay the additional value to maintain your position.
For example, when you are offered a deal for a core RB, but it would lop-side your team at an alternate position, and leave you thin, especially relative to bye-weeks or injury concerns.
But do you such a deal anyway, simply because it's too much value to turn down...and you're left hustling to parlay the additional value to maintain your position.
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
Pretty true for me until this year where I dealt Charles - post ACL - for a 2016 1st Round Pick. I don't see him coming back to full strength at almost 30. Situation dictates dealing injured players.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I try to deal my injured player to a team out of the playoff hunt for a player who would be pretty much of equal value if both players were healthy, and ideally will be of about equal value moving forward, and then add to that. Could be another player, or pick, or pick swap or something.
I don't look at a deal where I give the injured player for a much lesser but healthy player. Say like Leveon Bell for Latavius Murray or something. That will just kill your future and not particularly help you a ton right now anyway. It's not worth it.
If I am ever rebuilding the first thing I do is go after the talented players who get injured. As you said, some people sell low to try and win now, and I try to take advantage of that.
