**Official 2015 Off-Season Dynasty Completed Trades Thread** (3 Viewers)

[Tau837]

Yeah, you do seem confused. I rank Cooper as a top 10 dynasty WR right now, which is not in the future. HTH.

That is an incredibly optimistic and aggressive ranking you have.

Inb4 passive aggressive response to your criticism of his homerism

The purpose of this thread is for posters to give their opinions on dynasty trades. I gave my opinion, stating my personal ranking of Cooper. You made a snarky response that made a reference to 'knowledge' and I responded to it and agreed with your own statement that you were confused.

I'm not a homer for Cooper, and have made zero passive aggressive posts in this thread, so it seems that you remain confused. So at least we agree on something.

 

[cstu]

Yeah, you do seem confused. I rank Cooper as a top 10 dynasty WR right now, which is not in the future. HTH.

That is an incredibly optimistic and aggressive ranking you have.

It's optimistic, but definitely not incredibly so. DLF has him at WR14 currently. He'd probably fall just outside of my personal top-10 (and I'm generally risk-averse and lower on rookies than most), but he's in the mix in that area with the Cobb, Watkins, Cooks, Hilton types. Of those guys in the 2nd tier, IMO the only one that compares to Cooper in overall talent is Sammy Watkins -- the others, while obviously talented, are that high partially due to situation.

Top 15 is a bit different to me than top 10.

Anyway probably a discussion for another time but I am not sure who leaves this group to insert the "more talented" Cooper (Dez/Julio/AJG/Brown/Calvin/DT/Evans/OBJ/Watkins/Jeffery)

Calvin isn't in my top 10 as I don't trust him to stay healthy.

 

[Tau837]

Yeah, you do seem confused. I rank Cooper as a top 10 dynasty WR right now, which is not in the future. HTH.

That is an incredibly optimistic and aggressive ranking you have.

It's optimistic, but definitely not incredibly so. DLF has him at WR14 currently. He'd probably fall just outside of my personal top-10 (and I'm generally risk-averse and lower on rookies than most), but he's in the mix in that area with the Cobb, Watkins, Cooks, Hilton types. Of those guys in the 2nd tier, IMO the only one that compares to Cooper in overall talent is Sammy Watkins -- the others, while obviously talented, are that high partially due to situation.

Top 15 is a bit different to me than top 10.

Anyway probably a discussion for another time but I am not sure who leaves this group to insert the "more talented" Cooper (Dez/Julio/AJG/Brown/Calvin/DT/Evans/OBJ/Watkins/Jeffery)

Since it was my comment that started this, I will say that I tier it like this (no particular order within tiers):

Beckham

Dez, Julio, Green, Brown

Demaryius, Evans, Calvin, Cobb, Cooper

That's 10. So, to answer your question, for me I bump Watkins and Jeffery out for Cooper and Cobb.

ETA: And very close to bumping Calvin down due to age and injury concern. Just can't pull that trigger yet.

 

[cstu]

Yeah, you do seem confused. I rank Cooper as a top 10 dynasty WR right now, which is not in the future. HTH.

That is an incredibly optimistic and aggressive ranking you have.

It's optimistic, but definitely not incredibly so. DLF has him at WR14 currently. He'd probably fall just outside of my personal top-10 (and I'm generally risk-averse and lower on rookies than most), but he's in the mix in that area with the Cobb, Watkins, Cooks, Hilton types. Of those guys in the 2nd tier, IMO the only one that compares to Cooper in overall talent is Sammy Watkins -- the others, while obviously talented, are that high partially due to situation.

Top 15 is a bit different to me than top 10.

Anyway probably a discussion for another time but I am not sure who leaves this group to insert the "more talented" Cooper (Dez/Julio/AJG/Brown/Calvin/DT/Evans/OBJ/Watkins/Jeffery)

Since it was my comment that started this, I will say that I tier it like this (no particular order within tiers):

Beckham

Dez, Julio, Green, Brown

Demaryius, Evans, Calvin, Cobb, Cooper

That's 10. So, to answer your question, for me I bump Watkins and Jeffery out for Cooper and Cobb.

ETA: And very close to bumping Calvin down due to age and injury concern. Just can't pull that trigger yet.

If I offered Cooper, Watkins, or Jeffery for Calvin I would be surprised if I was turned down.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Yeah, you do seem confused. I rank Cooper as a top 10 dynasty WR right now, which is not in the future. HTH.

That is an incredibly optimistic and aggressive ranking you have.

It's optimistic, but definitely not incredibly so. DLF has him at WR14 currently. He'd probably fall just outside of my personal top-10 (and I'm generally risk-averse and lower on rookies than most), but he's in the mix in that area with the Cobb, Watkins, Cooks, Hilton types. Of those guys in the 2nd tier, IMO the only one that compares to Cooper in overall talent is Sammy Watkins -- the others, while obviously talented, are that high partially due to situation.

Top 15 is a bit different to me than top 10.Anyway probably a discussion for another time but I am not sure who leaves this group to insert the "more talented" Cooper (Dez/Julio/AJG/Brown/Calvin/DT/Evans/OBJ/Watkins/Jeffery)

Depends on where the tier breaks are in everyone's individual rankings IMO. I personally think there is a bigger gap between WR8 (Evans) and WR9 (Jeffrey) than there is between Jeffrey and WR15 (Hilton).

 

[cstu]

Depends on where the tier breaks are in everyone's individual rankings IMO. I personally think there is a bigger gap between WR8 (Evans) and WR9 (Jeffrey) than there is between Jeffrey and WR15 (Hilton).

Why the big gap between Evans and Jeffery - age? Jeffery is more proven than Evans and is only 3 years older.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Depends on where the tier breaks are in everyone's individual rankings IMO. I personally think there is a bigger gap between WR8 (Evans) and WR9 (Jeffrey) than there is between Jeffrey and WR15 (Hilton).

Why the big gap between Evans and Jeffery - age? Jeffery is more proven than Evans and is only 3 years older.

I think Evans is more talented -- plus coaching change, Cutler, Marshall not absorbing double coverage, drafting White, team is a hot mess. Partially might be bias as I've never been a huge Jeffrey guy and have always loved Evans.

 

[jtd13]

Yeah, you do seem confused. I rank Cooper as a top 10 dynasty WR right now, which is not in the future. HTH.

That is an incredibly optimistic and aggressive ranking you have.

It's optimistic, but definitely not incredibly so. DLF has him at WR14 currently. He'd probably fall just outside of my personal top-10 (and I'm generally risk-averse and lower on rookies than most), but he's in the mix in that area with the Cobb, Watkins, Cooks, Hilton types. Of those guys in the 2nd tier, IMO the only one that compares to Cooper in overall talent is Sammy Watkins -- the others, while obviously talented, are that high partially due to situation.

Top 15 is a bit different to me than top 10.Anyway probably a discussion for another time but I am not sure who leaves this group to insert the "more talented" Cooper (Dez/Julio/AJG/Brown/Calvin/DT/Evans/OBJ/Watkins/Jeffery)

Since it was my comment that started this, I will say that I tier it like this (no particular order within tiers):

Beckham

Dez, Julio, Green, Brown

Demaryius, Evans, Calvin, Cobb, Cooper

That's 10. So, to answer your question, for me I bump Watkins and Jeffery out for Cooper and Cobb.

ETA: And very close to bumping Calvin down due to age and injury concern. Just can't pull that trigger yet.

If I offered Cooper, Watkins, or Jeffery for Calvin I would be surprised if I was turned down.

I own Calvin in a couple leagues, and already tried to get Cooper for him. No dice anywhere I own him. I'd also take Watkins and Alshon for him (although I think Calvin will outscore all of those guys a per game basis).

I don't see Cooper in the top 10 as any kind of reach. I'd take him over Calvin, and think he's right there with Watkins, Alshon, and DT.

 

[Heep]

12 Team PPR Dynasty (2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex)

TEAM A Gave: Melvin Gordon

TEAM B Gave: Lamar Miller, G. Tate, Hillman

 

[Pwingles]

Yeah, you do seem confused. I rank Cooper as a top 10 dynasty WR right now, which is not in the future. HTH.

That is an incredibly optimistic and aggressive ranking you have.

Inb4 passive aggressive response to your criticism of his homerism

The purpose of this thread is for posters to give their opinions on dynasty trades. I gave my opinion, stating my personal ranking of Cooper. You made a snarky response that made a reference to 'knowledge' and I responded to it and agreed with your own statement that you were confused.

I'm not a homer for Cooper, and have made zero passive aggressive posts in this thread, so it seems that you remain confused. So at least we agree on something.

I know you are but what am i

 

[Pwingles]

People keep putting watkins in an elite tier or top 10/12...

In what universe? Is he throwing himself the ball?

At least cooper sort of has a qb, but his situation will likely be similar in year 1 at least to sammys, middle to low wr2 status. Which is fine btw, but come on guys, can we quit with the watkins and cooper being ranked so high ? At least until they do anything? Or are in a situation that is conducive to success?

 

[jwb]

Give: Josh Gordon, 2016 2nd

Get: 2.02 (drafted Dorsett)

 

[Pwingles]

Give: Josh Gordon, 2016 2nd

Get: 2.02 (drafted Dorsett)

I like your side

 

[pizzatyme]

Give: Josh Gordon, 2016 2nd

Get: 2.02 (drafted Dorsett)

I like your side

+1,000,000

 

[cstu]

Give: Josh Gordon, 2016 2nd

Get: 2.02 (drafted Dorsett)

If history is any indicator, Gordon's value will be extremely high when he's reinstated. Bit of a risk but I take it.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Give: Josh Gordon, 2016 2nd

Get: 2.02 (drafted Dorsett)

If history is any indicator, Gordon's value will be extremely high when he's reinstated. Bit of a risk but I take it.

Lot harder for people to keep burying their head in the sand now. Plus he wasn't close to as good last year when he did play. Plus, it's "if" he gets reinstated -- he pretty clearly gives zero ####s about playing football. In smaller / less deep leagues (FFPC or the like) he's probably not even worth a roster spot IMO.

 

[One More Rep]

12 Team PPR Dynasty (2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex)

TEAM A Gave: Melvin Gordon

TEAM B Gave: Lamar Miller, G. Tate, Hillman

Gordon

 

[Andrew74]

12 team, 0.5 PPR. Start 1/2/3/1

Team A gives: CJ Spiller

Team B gives: Crowell + 2.03

 

[pizzatyme]

12 team, 0.5 PPR. Start 1/2/3/1

Team A gives: CJ Spiller

Team B gives: Crowell + 2.03

I'm as high as anyone on Spiller this year but I'll gladly take Team B's side here.

 

[cstu]

Give: Josh Gordon, 2016 2nd

Get: 2.02 (drafted Dorsett)

If history is any indicator, Gordon's value will be extremely high when he's reinstated. Bit of a risk but I take it.

Lot harder for people to keep burying their head in the sand now. Plus he wasn't close to as good last year when he did play. Plus, it's "if" he gets reinstated -- he pretty clearly gives zero ####s about playing football. In smaller / less deep leagues (FFPC or the like) he's probably not even worth a roster spot IMO.

All it takes is one Soulfly.

 

[One More Rep]

12 team, 0.5 PPR. Start 1/2/3/1

Team A gives: CJ Spiller

Team B gives: Crowell + 2.03

Spiller for me

 

[matttyl]

1.3 + Percy Harvin

Mike Evans

 

[One More Rep]

1.3 + Percy Harvin

Mike Evans

Evans

 

[pizzatyme]

1.3 + Percy Harvin

Mike Evans

I'd take Evans.

 

[Soulfly3]

1.3 + Percy Harvin

Mike Evans

about 1/3 of what Id want for Evans.

 

[matttyl]

1.3 + Percy Harvin

Mike Evans

about 1/3 of what Id want for Evans.

And only about 1/3rd of what I'd pay. The other guy is from the same hometown as Harvin, though, so I preyed on that.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

1.3 + Percy Harvin

Mike Evans

about 1/3 of what Id want for Evans.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

1.3 + Percy Harvin

Mike Evans

about 1/3 of what Id want for Evans.

And only about 1/3rd of what I'd pay. The other guy is from the same hometown as Harvin, though, so I preyed on that.

 

[matttyl]

1.3 + Percy Harvin

Mike Evans

about 1/3 of what Id want for Evans.

And only about 1/3rd of what I'd pay. The other guy is from the same hometown as Harvin, though, so I preyed on that.

aka "the 757"

 

[Dan Hindery]

This one didn't work out well for me with Devante Parker unexpectedly sliding to 1.08...

Gave: 1.04 (Melvin Gordon) and 1.08 (DeVante Parker)

for Teddy Bridgewater, 1.02 (Todd Gurley) and 2.02 (Phillip Dorsett)

Knowing how the draft played out, I wouldn't make the trade. But pre-draft I didn't want to get stuck with White at 1.04 (just not a believer) so I was willing to pay a bit to move into the top 3 for Cooper, Gurley or Gordon. And I wasn't expecting a guy like Parker to slide to 8 (Agholor, Yeldon and Coleman went 5 thru 7).

 

[cstu]

This one didn't work out well for me with Devante Parker unexpectedly sliding to 1.08...

Gave: 1.04 (Melvin Gordon) and 1.08 (DeVante Parker)

for Teddy Bridgewater, 1.02 (Todd Gurley) and 2.02 (Phillip Dorsett)

Knowing how the draft played out, I wouldn't make the trade. But pre-draft I didn't want to get stuck with White at 1.04 (just not a believer) so I was willing to pay a bit to move into the top 3 for Cooper, Gurley or Gordon. And I wasn't expecting a guy like Parker to slide to 8 (Agholor, Yeldon and Coleman went 5 thru 7).

Still prefer your side.

 

[pizzatyme]

This one didn't work out well for me with Devante Parker unexpectedly sliding to 1.08...

Gave: 1.04 (Melvin Gordon) and 1.08 (DeVante Parker)

for Teddy Bridgewater, 1.02 (Todd Gurley) and 2.02 (Phillip Dorsett)

Knowing how the draft played out, I wouldn't make the trade. But pre-draft I didn't want to get stuck with White at 1.04 (just not a believer) so I was willing to pay a bit to move into the top 3 for Cooper, Gurley or Gordon. And I wasn't expecting a guy like Parker to slide to 8 (Agholor, Yeldon and Coleman went 5 thru 7).

Still prefer your side.

Agreed.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

This one didn't work out well for me with Devante Parker unexpectedly sliding to 1.08...

Gave: 1.04 (Melvin Gordon) and 1.08 (DeVante Parker)

for Teddy Bridgewater, 1.02 (Todd Gurley) and 2.02 (Phillip Dorsett)

Knowing how the draft played out, I wouldn't make the trade. But pre-draft I didn't want to get stuck with White at 1.04 (just not a believer) so I was willing to pay a bit to move into the top 3 for Cooper, Gurley or Gordon. And I wasn't expecting a guy like Parker to slide to 8 (Agholor, Yeldon and Coleman went 5 thru 7).

Still prefer your side.

Agreed.

Me three.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

This one didn't work out well for me with Devante Parker unexpectedly sliding to 1.08...

Gave: 1.04 (Melvin Gordon) and 1.08 (DeVante Parker)

for Teddy Bridgewater, 1.02 (Todd Gurley) and 2.02 (Phillip Dorsett)

Knowing how the draft played out, I wouldn't make the trade. But pre-draft I didn't want to get stuck with White at 1.04 (just not a believer) so I was willing to pay a bit to move into the top 3 for Cooper, Gurley or Gordon. And I wasn't expecting a guy like Parker to slide to 8 (Agholor, Yeldon and Coleman went 5 thru 7).

Still prefer your side.

Agreed.

Me three.

Yep still think you have the better side of the deal.

 

[thriftyrocker]

SMH people complaining they got Gurley

 

[jeaton6]

This one didn't work out well for me with Devante Parker unexpectedly sliding to 1.08...

Gave: 1.04 (Melvin Gordon) and 1.08 (DeVante Parker)

for Teddy Bridgewater, 1.02 (Todd Gurley) and 2.02 (Phillip Dorsett)

Knowing how the draft played out, I wouldn't make the trade. But pre-draft I didn't want to get stuck with White at 1.04 (just not a believer) so I was willing to pay a bit to move into the top 3 for Cooper, Gurley or Gordon. And I wasn't expecting a guy like Parker to slide to 8 (Agholor, Yeldon and Coleman went 5 thru 7).

Still prefer your side.

Agreed.

Me three.

When I saw the trade go down in this league I thought Bridgewater was basically free for you. Even though Parker fell still take your side by a hair.

 

[Milwaukees_best]

Frank Gore

2.1

2.3

for

Sammy Watkins

 

[jeaton6]

Frank Gore

2.1

2.3

for

Sammy Watkins

Oy

 

[Pwingles]

Frank Gore

2.1

2.3

for

Sammy Watkins

IF...if, i was competing and was thin at RB, and this was during the draft so i knew who was available, i might.Otherwise, i think thats too low for sammy, given his perceived value here

 

[One More Rep]

Frank Gore

2.1

2.3

for

Sammy Watkins

Cheap for Smmy

 

[Dr. Octopus]

12 team ppr QB / 2RB / 3WR / TE / FL

Carlos Hyde, 1.01 and 2.05

For

Le'Veon Bell, 1.10 and 3.10

 

[bostonfred]

Hyde/Gurley

 

[Zyphros]

10 team 2QB 3WR 2RB 2TE 2Flex .5ppr 25 man rosters

Team A traded: 1.06, 2016 1st, 2017 1st, Antonio Gates

Team B traded: Mike Evans

I am team A, was looking to get a bit younger, still have a 1st in both 2016 (likely the 1.01), and 1 in 2017.

 

[wildabeast49]

12 team ppr superflex 12 devy players gone

A gave: Perriman, Maxx, 2 2016 firsts (prob mid and late)

B gave: Sammy, Quick, 3rd rounder

 

[beef]

12 team ppr QB / 2RB / 3WR / TE / FL

Carlos Hyde, 1.01 and 2.05

For

Le'Veon Bell, 1.10 and 3.10

I'd take Bell even if 1.10 and 3.10 weren't involved.

 

[thriftyrocker]

12 team non-ppr no flexes

NMT

Maclin

for

Terrance Williams

3.11 OTC (Ryan Williams)

 

[Mingooch]

12 team ppr QB / 2RB / 3WR / TE / FL

Carlos Hyde, 1.01 and 2.05

For

Le'Veon Bell, 1.10 and 3.10

Hyde/Gurley by a bit IMHO Just plain prefer them by that much

 

[Soulfly3]

10 team 2QB 3WR 2RB 2TE 2Flex .5ppr 25 man rosters

Team A traded: 1.06, 2016 1st, 2017 1st, Antonio Gates

Team B traded: Mike Evans

I am team A, was looking to get a bit younger, still have a 1st in both 2016 (likely the 1.01), and 1 in 2017.

Evans

 

[Pokesfan]

12 team standard scoring, IDP, contract league (50 years across 25 roster spots). Start 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 flex.

L. Bell (3)

M. Floyd (3)

For

A. Jeffery (5)

E.Sanders (2)

CJ Anderson (1)

2016 - late 2nd round pick

 

[Scoonie Pencil]

Q RR WWW T F K D - PPR - TE Premium, 1pt/20passyds, 4ptpass tds, (Gurley, Gordon, Cooper went in last year's devy, so 1.1 and 1.2 should be White/Parker)

Team A gives: Rodgers, 2.2

Team B gives: Big Ben, Kendall Wright, 1.2 (almost certainly going to be Parker)

Smaller trade:

Team C: Brady, 2.12

Team D: Bortles, 2.7