**Official 2015 Off-Season Dynasty Completed Trades Thread** (2 Viewers)

[Snorkelson]

Both 12 team PPR leagues, standard scoring

1) Team A gets: Maclin, B.Oliver, 2.01

Team B gets: T.Smith, L.Murray, Bridgewater and 1.09

2) Team A gets: Cutler, Crowell and 2.12

Team B gets: Brees

1) I'll take team B. Smith is young and has proven he is a decent wr2 despite a slow start this year. Murray and Teddy B didn't look out of place in the NFL, which is a pretty good compliment imo. Maclin may have highest ceiling for the next 2 years (if in PHI) but I like the haul.

2) I like Brees for the next couple years as a decent qb but I think I'd take Crow and 2.12. Cutler won['t be a qb1

 

[Soulfly3]

1ppr/1.5ppr TE

Alshon Jeffery + 2016 1st

for

Jimmy Graham

 

[msudaisy26]

Both 12 team PPR leagues, standard scoring

1) Team A gets: Maclin, B.Oliver, 2.01

Team B gets: T.Smith, L.Murray, Bridgewater and 1.09

2) Team A gets: Cutler, Crowell and 2.12

Team B gets: Brees

First one is close for me, but I will take the Maclin side. I wait until after the draft to slot rookies, if there is a big drop off after 1.10 I might take the other side

I would take the Cutler side, in a start 1 qb 12 team league you can get away with just having an average quarterback and still having a very good team.

 

[msudaisy26]

1ppr/1.5ppr TE

Alshon Jeffery + 2016 1st

for

Jimmy Graham

Graham since it is 1.5 ppr. No tight end bonus I would take Jeffery

 

[FUBAR]

Both 12 team PPR leagues, standard scoring

1) Team A gets: Maclin, B.Oliver, 2.01

Team B gets: T.Smith, L.Murray, Bridgewater and 1.09

2) Team A gets: Cutler, Crowell and 2.12

Team B gets: Brees

1) I'll take team B. Smith is young and has proven he is a decent wr2 despite a slow start this year. Murray and Teddy B didn't look out of place in the NFL, which is a pretty good compliment imo. Maclin may have highest ceiling for the next 2 years (if in PHI) but I like the haul.

2) I like Brees for the next couple years as a decent qb but I think I'd take Crow and 2.12. Cutler won['t be a qb1

surprised Crowell is getting much love and yet nobody commented on my deal getting him.

 

[One More Rep]

1ppr/1.5ppr TE

Alshon Jeffery + 2016 1st

for

Jimmy Graham

Graham

 

[Denver724]

12 team PPR. Superflex (3 pt passing TD).

Team A gave up:
Year 2015 Round 2 (2.07)

Team B gave up:
Bush, Reggie DET RB
Year 2015 Round 3 Draft Pick (3.03)

 

[Pwingles]

12 team PPR. Superflex (3 pt passing TD).

Team A gave up:

Year 2015 Round 2 (2.07)

Team B gave up:

Bush, Reggie DET RB

Year 2015 Round 3 Draft Pick (3.03)

Seems even. Depending on team 2's roster, gimme the 2.07

 

[pizzatyme]

1PPR/ 1.5PPR TEs

A) Gronk

B) Antonio Brown, J. Cameron

 

[Pwingles]

1PPR/ 1.5PPR TEs

A) Gronk

B) Antonio Brown, J. Cameron

Lotta people on browns nuts, and he has been amazing last 2-3 seasons but i think i like gronk

 

[msudaisy26]

12 team PPR. Superflex (3 pt passing TD).

Team A gave up:

Year 2015 Round 2 (2.07)

Team B gave up:

Bush, Reggie DET RB

Year 2015 Round 3 Draft Pick (3.03)

2.07 Bush is a waste of a roster spot at this point.

 

[msudaisy26]

1PPR/ 1.5PPR TEs

A) Gronk

B) Antonio Brown, J. Cameron

So close, I think I like Brown in this one.

 

[lardonastick]

Non PPR, Start 1-2-3-1-1flex, 1DL, 1LB, 1DB; 40 man rosters.

Not involved, just reporting. I have my thoughts; would like to hear other opinions.

TY Hilton

Doug Martin

Mike James

for

JJ Watt

Nick Toon

3.03

For reference, Watt scored 105.75 pts this season; #2 DL scored 63.25, #12 DL scored 45.5

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Non PPR, Start 1-2-3-1-1flex, 1DL, 1LB, 1DB; 40 man rosters.

Not involved, just reporting. I have my thoughts; would like to hear other opinions.

TY Hilton

Doug Martin

Mike James

for

JJ Watt

Nick Toon

3.03

For reference, Watt scored 105.75 pts this season; #2 DL scored 63.25, #12 DL scored 45.5

I'd prefer Hilton. Watt is a massive advantage at DL, but it depends what the guy getting Hilton had already at WR.

Plus, Watt is probably never going to have a season like that again (where he catches a bunch of TD's and is a dominant defensive player)

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Plus, Watt is probably never going to have a season like that again (where he catches a bunch of TD's and is a dominant defensive player)

You probably would have said the same thing about his 2012 season and been wrong.

So, what? You think next year he breaks the sack record and scores a bunch of TD's on offense again? It's unlikely he reaches this peak again. This year was really similar to 2012, right down to the 4 FF, except he also had an INT and 3 offensive TD's which isn't likely to happen again.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Plus, Watt is probably never going to have a season like that again (where he catches a bunch of TD's and is a dominant defensive player)

You probably would have said the same thing about his 2012 season and been wrong.

So, what? You think next year he breaks the sack record and scores a bunch of TD's on offense again? It's unlikely he reaches this peak again. This year was really similar to 2012, right down to the 4 FF, except he also had an INT and 3 offensive TD's which isn't likely to happen again.

I play in a league that didn't award Watt points for offensive TDs. In 2012, he scored 347 points. The second closest was Anthony Spencer at 262. A 3 ppg advantage vs. the DL2 and almost a 10 point advantage vs. the DL5. Fast forward to 2014 where he scores 331 points (again, not including the offensive TDs). JPP was second with 247 points or 16.5 ppg. That's a 5.5 ppg advantage against the DL2 and almost 10 ppg greater than DL5. He hasn't just done this once, but twice in three years. I'm not saying he's a lock for that point advantage year in and year out, but you sure have to do better than the WR11 and Tampa Bay's RB situation. Don't get me started on the fact that he had to throw in Toon and a pick to get this done.

I get what you're saying, but the guy said Watt scored 105.75 points this year...that's a light IDP league. A league where the IDP's score like Kickers and you just need to be competitive there and play almost like it's a non-IDP league, investing almost completely in offensive players. The WR11 is much more valuable in a league like this.

 

[msudaisy26]

Non PPR, Start 1-2-3-1-1flex, 1DL, 1LB, 1DB; 40 man rosters.

Not involved, just reporting. I have my thoughts; would like to hear other opinions.

TY Hilton

Doug Martin

Mike James

for

JJ Watt

Nick Toon

3.03

For reference, Watt scored 105.75 pts this season; #2 DL scored 63.25, #12 DL scored 45.5

What did Hilton score? I think I would take the Hilton side but I would have to see

 

[PatsWillWin]

Assuming the IDP scoring is anything close to balanced with offensive scoring, then it's Watt by a landslide.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Assuming the IDP scoring is anything close to balanced with offensive scoring, then it's Watt by a landslide.

It's clearly not, if Watt put up 105.75 points like the guy said.

 

[FUBAR]

1PPR/ 1.5PPR TEs

A) Gronk

B) Antonio Brown, J. Cameron

So close, I think I like Brown in this one.

If you think Cameron can be a top 5 TE, yeah. One of the fairer deals for Gronk.

 

[FUBAR]

Non PPR, Start 1-2-3-1-1flex, 1DL, 1LB, 1DB; 40 man rosters.

Not involved, just reporting. I have my thoughts; would like to hear other opinions.

TY Hilton

Doug Martin

Mike James

for

JJ Watt

Nick Toon

3.03

For reference, Watt scored 105.75 pts this season; #2 DL scored 63.25, #12 DL scored 45.5

Literally an individual defensive player league.

Why bother with them?

Love watt, but taking Hilton here.

 

[Denver724]

12 team ppr

A gets: Keenan Allen + Markus Wheaton

B gets: Davante Adams + Charles Johnson + Da'Rick Rogers

A finished with pick 1.02 in 2014 and is building.

B finished with pick 1.10 in 2014 and was a contender all year

I would rather have Adams and Johnson. I have soured on Allen. Some may see this as a buy low on Allen after a down 2014.

 

[Pwingles]

12 team ppr

A gets: Keenan Allen + Markus Wheaton

B gets: Davante Adams + Charles Johnson + Da'Rick Rogers

A finished with pick 1.02 in 2014 and is building.

B finished with pick 1.10 in 2014 and was a contender all year

I think i like the allen side. He still had a zillion targets, he has wr1 upside. Not sure you can say the same about anyone else in this exchange.

Could be a pretty solid deal if cobb leaves and teddy targets johnson like he was at the end of last year tho

 

[FreeBaGeL]

12 team ppr

A gets: Keenan Allen + Markus Wheaton

B gets: Davante Adams + Charles Johnson + Da'Rick Rogers

A finished with pick 1.02 in 2014 and is building.

B finished with pick 1.10 in 2014 and was a contender all year

I think i like the allen side. He still had a zillion targets, he has wr1 upside.Not sure you can say the same about anyone else in this exchange.

Could be a pretty solid deal if cobb leaves and teddy targets johnson like he was at the end of last year tho

I think Adams absolutely has WR1 upside. He's looked pretty good lately and he could be taking over the role that Cobb just put WR1 numbers up in as soon as next year.

 

[BlackMamba24]

12 team ppr

A gave: KaDeem Carey

B gave: 2.09

A is in a complete rebuild, B has Forte

 

[msudaisy26]

12 team ppr

A gave: KaDeem Carey

B gave: 2.09

A is in a complete rebuild, B has Forte

I would have held out for more for Carey, or even hoped he becomes the lead runner in a year or two

 

[Pwingles]

12 team ppr

A gets: Keenan Allen + Markus Wheaton

B gets: Davante Adams + Charles Johnson + Da'Rick Rogers

A finished with pick 1.02 in 2014 and is building.

B finished with pick 1.10 in 2014 and was a contender all year

I think i like the allen side. He still had a zillion targets, he has wr1 upside.Not sure you can say the same about anyone else in this exchange.

Could be a pretty solid deal if cobb leaves and teddy targets johnson like he was at the end of last year tho

I think Adams absolutely has WR1 upside. He's looked pretty good lately and he could be taking over the role that Cobb just put WR1 numbers up in as soon as next year.

Idk if he has that talent or not, my point was, if cobb stays, not a great move. If he goes, has a chance to be a lot better.

Adams isnt taking anything over due to talent. Its a money issue, imo. Can GB afford to keep cobb, or will Adams get a bump in responsibility by virtue of cobb being gone?

 

[msudaisy26]

3.02
for

Ryan Mathews

 

[Pwingles]

12 team ppr

A gave: KaDeem Carey

B gave: 2.09

A is in a complete rebuild, B has Forte

I would have held out for more for Carey, or even hoped he becomes the lead runner in a year or two

+1Assuming roster space isnt an issue

 

[FreeBaGeL]

12 team ppr

A gets: Keenan Allen + Markus Wheaton

B gets: Davante Adams + Charles Johnson + Da'Rick Rogers

A finished with pick 1.02 in 2014 and is building.

B finished with pick 1.10 in 2014 and was a contender all year

I think i like the allen side. He still had a zillion targets, he has wr1 upside.Not sure you can say the same about anyone else in this exchange.

Could be a pretty solid deal if cobb leaves and teddy targets johnson like he was at the end of last year tho

I think Adams absolutely has WR1 upside. He's looked pretty good lately and he could be taking over the role that Cobb just put WR1 numbers up in as soon as next year.

Idk if he has that talent or not, my point was, if cobb stays, not a great move. If he goes, has a chance to be a lot better.

Adams isnt taking anything over due to talent. Its a money issue, imo. Can GB afford to keep cobb, or will Adams get a bump in responsibility by virtue of cobb being gone?

Either way, he has WR1 upside.

 

[Bamac]

3.02

for

Ryan Mathews

Mathews for me.

 

[BlackMamba24]

3.02

for

Ryan Mathews

Matthews

 

[BlackMamba24]

1PPR/ 1.5PPR TEs

A) Gronk

B) Antonio Brown, J. Cameron

Brown/j Cameron

 

[One More Rep]

3.02

for

Ryan Mathews

Matthews

Pretty easy

 

[Pwingles]

12 team ppr

A gets: Keenan Allen + Markus Wheaton

B gets: Davante Adams + Charles Johnson + Da'Rick Rogers

A finished with pick 1.02 in 2014 and is building.

B finished with pick 1.10 in 2014 and was a contender all year

I think i like the allen side. He still had a zillion targets, he has wr1 upside.Not sure you can say the same about anyone else in this exchange.

Could be a pretty solid deal if cobb leaves and teddy targets johnson like he was at the end of last year tho

I think Adams absolutely has WR1 upside. He's looked pretty good lately and he could be taking over the role that Cobb just put WR1 numbers up in as soon as next year.

Idk if he has that talent or not, my point was, if cobb stays, not a great move. If he goes, has a chance to be a lot better.

Adams isnt taking anything over due to talent. Its a money issue, imo. Can GB afford to keep cobb, or will Adams get a bump in responsibility by virtue of cobb being gone?

Either way, he has WR1 upside.

Well, im not sure what youre basing this off of (ARod at qb?) but, no, sorry, not either way.

How on earth do you expect the 3rd wr in an offense to have WR1 upside? This is assuming cobb stays.

 

[jtd13]

12 team ppr

A gets: Keenan Allen + Markus Wheaton

B gets: Davante Adams + Charles Johnson + Da'Rick Rogers

A finished with pick 1.02 in 2014 and is building.

B finished with pick 1.10 in 2014 and was a contender all year

I think i like the allen side. He still had a zillion targets, he has wr1 upside.Not sure you can say the same about anyone else in this exchange.

Could be a pretty solid deal if cobb leaves and teddy targets johnson like he was at the end of last year tho

I think Adams absolutely has WR1 upside. He's looked pretty good lately and he could be taking over the role that Cobb just put WR1 numbers up in as soon as next year.

Idk if he has that talent or not, my point was, if cobb stays, not a great move. If he goes, has a chance to be a lot better.Adams isnt taking anything over due to talent. Its a money issue, imo. Can GB afford to keep cobb, or will Adams get a bump in responsibility by virtue of cobb being gone?

Either way, he has WR1 upside.

Well, im not sure what youre basing this off of (ARod at qb?) but, no, sorry, not either way.How on earth do you expect the 3rd wr in an offense to have WR1 upside? This is assuming cobb stays.

I think he's saying that even if you don't think Adams has transcendent talent, he has wr1 upside based on potential situation as soon as next year.ETA- I thought I saw that Jordy's deal only had guaranteed money through 2016, so you could argue Adams has "WR1 upside" either way; you just have to wait in one situation.

 

[Pwingles]

Well if you are of the opinion that Adams having wr1 upside in 1-3 years is better than Allen having WR1 upside now and for the forseseeable future, then I suppose we can agree to disagree, no worries.

Im just confused as to why we are thinking he has a top 12 season in him just yet. Hopeful owner wishing really hard? That much love for ARod? GB homer?

 

[jtd13]

Well if you are of the opinion that Adams having wr1 upside in 1-3 years is better than Allen having WR1 upside now and for the forseseeable future, then I suppose we can agree to disagree, no worries.

Im just confused as to why we are thinking he has a top 12 season in him just yet. Hopeful owner wishing really hard? That much love for ARod? GB homer?

don't own Adams anywhere, and I'm a Lions/Dolphins fan. I do think Adams is pretty close to as talented as Allen (and maybe more), and that if cobb leaves then his situation is better. Not sure how you could say Allen has WR1 upside and Adams doesn't.

 

[Pwingles]

He hasnt shown me anything to indicate he does, and his situation is not as good as Allen, who has shown he could put up solid numbers. Even in a down year compared to his rookie year, he still lead the team in targets, which shows me Rivers still believes in him and the staff does as well.

Ive not said he isnt capable, just that I havent seen it. And anyone that says they have is just guessing, he simply wasnt on the field enough to warrant all this "wr1 upside" talk

 

[fredsavage]

Well if you are of the opinion that Adams having wr1 upside in 1-3 years is better than Allen having WR1 upside now and for the forseseeable future, then I suppose we can agree to disagree, no worries.

Im just confused as to why we are thinking he has a top 12 season in him just yet. Hopeful owner wishing really hard? That much love for ARod? GB homer?

don't own Adams anywhere, and I'm a Lions/Dolphins fan. I do think Adams is pretty close to as talented as Allen (and maybe more), and that if cobb leaves then his situation is better. Not sure how you could say Allen has WR1 upside and Adams doesn't.

Because Allen is his teams wr1 with a 1k yard season under his belt and Adams isn't?

 

[jtd13]

Allen is a nice player in a nice situation. IMO, based on what I've watched, draft position, and metrics, Adams is a bit more talented, and his situation could be just as good as soon as the next time either guy takes a snap. So my main issue was your statement that Allen has more upside. I disagree.

Long term I see Adams as at least as valuable. If I can get him and another nice young WR like CXJ for Allen, I'm pretty happy.

 

[jtd13]

Well if you are of the opinion that Adams having wr1 upside in 1-3 years is better than Allen having WR1 upside now and for the forseseeable future, then I suppose we can agree to disagree, no worries.

Im just confused as to why we are thinking he has a top 12 season in him just yet. Hopeful owner wishing really hard? That much love for ARod? GB homer?

don't own Adams anywhere, and I'm a Lions/Dolphins fan. I do think Adams is pretty close to as talented as Allen (and maybe more), and that if cobb leaves then his situation is better. Not sure how you could say Allen has WR1 upside and Adams doesn't.

Because Allen is his teams wr1 with a 1k yard season under his belt and Adams isn't?

I don't get points for historical stats in any of my leagues.

 

[Denver724]

12 team ppr

A gave: KaDeem Carey

B gave: 2.09

A is in a complete rebuild, B has Forte

I would have held out for more for Carey, or even hoped he becomes the lead runner in a year or two

Agreed. I have Carey in one league (got him on waivers in the middle of the season...I don't own Forte) and wouldn't sell him for that.

 

[Denver724]

3.02

for

Ryan Mathews

Mathews for me.

+1

 

[FreeBaGeL]

12 team ppr

A gets: Keenan Allen + Markus Wheaton

B gets: Davante Adams + Charles Johnson + Da'Rick Rogers

A finished with pick 1.02 in 2014 and is building.

B finished with pick 1.10 in 2014 and was a contender all year

I think i like the allen side. He still had a zillion targets, he has wr1 upside.Not sure you can say the same about anyone else in this exchange.

Could be a pretty solid deal if cobb leaves and teddy targets johnson like he was at the end of last year tho

I think Adams absolutely has WR1 upside. He's looked pretty good lately and he could be taking over the role that Cobb just put WR1 numbers up in as soon as next year.

Idk if he has that talent or not, my point was, if cobb stays, not a great move. If he goes, has a chance to be a lot better.

Adams isnt taking anything over due to talent. Its a money issue, imo. Can GB afford to keep cobb, or will Adams get a bump in responsibility by virtue of cobb being gone?

Either way, he has WR1 upside.

Well, im not sure what youre basing this off of (ARod at qb?) but, no, sorry, not either way.

How on earth do you expect the 3rd wr in an offense to have WR1 upside? This is assuming cobb stays.

Who said Cobb is definitely staying? That's still up in the air.

This is silly. If Adams doesn't have WR1 upside then Jordy and Cobb didn't either. All three were drafted in the 2nd round for the Packers with two starters in front of them. Of course, Jordy and Cobb are both WR1's now, so it seems rather crazy to say that neither of them had WR1 upside.

I honestly don't see how this is even debatable. The entire reason that Adams is even rostered in fantasy football leagues is because of his WR1 upside.

 

[humpback]

Watkins and the pick for me, especially with the uncertainty about Peyton!

I always wonder why people say this. How does A.J. Green put up numbers without Peyton? How about Josh Gordon, Calvin, Brown, Julio, Jeffery. DT is just as good as all those receivers.

. Now if we are taking about Sanders or JT I would agree a little more. Unless Brock is the next great qb those guys are going to take a hit in production because it takes a great qb to keep 3 receivers relavant for fantasy, but a guy like DT will still be a top 10 receiver for the next 5 years.

No one said that his production is going to fall off a cliff when he no longer has Peyton, but there's a pretty big difference in value between a top 10 WR and a top 2-3 WR.

 

[ghostguy123]

Look like Ryan Mathews is one hell of a bargain buy so far this offseason.

 

[JonB86]

Not involved, in a devy league I'm in, tiered PPR Superflex:

T.Y Hilton, Rookie 1.05 (Cooper, Gurley, Gordon, Mariota, Winston, Strong, Hundley all gone)

Amari Cooper, Stefon Diggs, Devy 1.01 (the rules are any player with 1 year of college can be devy'd, Chubb, Fournette, etc all available)

 

[ghostguy123]

Not involved, in a devy league I'm in, tiered PPR Superflex:

T.Y Hilton, Rookie 1.05 (Cooper, Gurley, Gordon, Mariota, Winston, Strong, Hundley all gone)

Amari Cooper, Stefon Diggs, Devy 1.01 (the rules are any player with 1 year of college can be devy'd, Chubb, Fournette, etc all available)

I don't do any devy leagues, or even any superflex dynasty leagues, but this one seems largely in favor of the team getting Cooper and the 1.01 Devy.

It almost seens just Cooper alone would be an even deal. Am I nuts?

 

[FUBAR]

Not involved, in a devy league I'm in, tiered PPR Superflex:

T.Y Hilton, Rookie 1.05 (Cooper, Gurley, Gordon, Mariota, Winston, Strong, Hundley all gone)

Amari Cooper, Stefon Diggs, Devy 1.01 (the rules are any player with 1 year of college can be devy'd, Chubb, Fournette, etc all available)

I don't do any devy leagues, or even any superflex dynasty leagues, but this one seems largely in favor of the team getting Cooper and the 1.01 Devy.

It almost seens just Cooper alone would be an even deal. Am I nuts?

Yeah, I don't see why the other team would do this unless he's all-in for 2015. Hilton is good but I probably wouldn't give Cooper straight for him right now (at least wait until the draft). Diggs is intriguing too. the 1.05 seems equivalent to a high 2nd.