**Official 2015 Off-Season Dynasty Completed Trades Thread** (1 Viewer)

[JonB86]

Small one in a devy league:

Gave: 3.06 (knock it down 10 spots for rostered Devys)

Received: Ka'Deem Carey

Note: I own Forte

So you stole him?

Think he had soured on waiting and just wanted the roster spot back, was happy to oblige!

 

[ghostguy123]

I agree that I like the side getting the picks, and that it will likely work out for them in the long run. I wouldn't say the only risk is for this year though. What if this year's draft class ends up being as big of a bust as 2012 (which btw, was probably the most anticipated fantasy draft class of the bunch)? Assuming they didn't unload any of those guys at their peak value it'd be...

Brown and Rodgers for Luck, Richardson, Martin, Blackmon, and Wilson.

What if Nelson tears his ACL. What if Brown holds out and gets traded, or Rothlisberger gets hurt, or Brown himself gets hurt?

It's not like high end guys haven't completely fallen off the map in the past.

If he really wanted to, he could probably take picks 5 and 6 and turn that into a nice young player, draft with 1,2,3, use EVans, pick up an old QB like Manning semi-cheap, and continue to compete this year.

With that much value on your side in a trade, it opens up all kinds of options for you.

Remember, the risk goes both ways. There is risk when you reject a trade, also.

I'm pretty sure that he knows the risk goes both ways, he's just saying that the risk goes beyond next year.

Very minimally IMO

 

[ghostguy123]

Small one in a devy league:

Gave: 3.06 (knock it down 10 spots for rostered Devys)

Received: Ka'Deem Carey

Note: I own Forte

carey easily

 

[ghostguy123]

Small one in a devy league:

Gave: 3.06 (knock it down 10 spots for rostered Devys)

Received: Ka'Deem Carey

Note: I own Forte

So you stole him?

Think he had soured on waiting and just wanted the roster spot back, was happy to oblige!

Soured on a guy who who had no chance to do anything this year. why even draft him then? Some owners....

 

[humpback]

I agree that I like the side getting the picks, and that it will likely work out for them in the long run. I wouldn't say the only risk is for this year though. What if this year's draft class ends up being as big of a bust as 2012 (which btw, was probably the most anticipated fantasy draft class of the bunch)? Assuming they didn't unload any of those guys at their peak value it'd be...

Brown and Rodgers for Luck, Richardson, Martin, Blackmon, and Wilson.

What if Nelson tears his ACL. What if Brown holds out and gets traded, or Rothlisberger gets hurt, or Brown himself gets hurt?

It's not like high end guys haven't completely fallen off the map in the past.

If he really wanted to, he could probably take picks 5 and 6 and turn that into a nice young player, draft with 1,2,3, use EVans, pick up an old QB like Manning semi-cheap, and continue to compete this year.

With that much value on your side in a trade, it opens up all kinds of options for you.

Remember, the risk goes both ways. There is risk when you reject a trade, also.

I'm pretty sure that he knows the risk goes both ways, he's just saying that the risk goes beyond next year.

Very minimally IMO

How so? If those draft picks are busts, how would it not hurt his team for several years?

 

[ghostguy123]

12 team PPR (FFPC)

Cobb

Michael Floyd

pick 7

2016 1st (should be clear playoff team)

for

Dez

Brandon Marshalll

2016 2nd

 

[dirtyjay]

Many posts for thr big trade that happened. Looks pretty fair based of how people value picks but to me I like elite players more then shots in the dark alway.

Ill take cobb and picks above. Cobb is a point maker just like dez.

 

[Snorkelson]

12 team PPR (FFPC)

Cobb

Michael Floyd

pick 7

2016 1st (should be clear playoff team)

for

Dez

Brandon Marshalll

2016 2nd

Seems fair for both sides, but depends on where Cobb ends up. Cobb+1.07 for Dez, Floyd+2016 first for Marshall+2nd.

 

[ghostguy123]

If Cobb doesnt end up somewhere nice, the Cobb/pick 7 for Dez part of that will look ENORMOUSLY in favor of the Dez side.

That is one of those that has a TBD cause a lot can happen from now till week 1 there. But can't help but think Dez and Marshall will be a big boost for that team for a few years.

 

[ghostguy123]

Many posts for thr big trade that happened. Looks pretty fair based of how people value picks but to me I like elite players more then shots in the dark alway.

Ill take cobb and picks above. Cobb is a point maker just like dez.

I get what you are saying about the picks, but I tend to think picks 1,2,3,5,6 are a little better than just "shots in the dark" in the vast majority of years, not to mention Evans who I take over Nelson straight up anyway.

Most people probably end up drafting Gurley, Gordon, and Cooper top 3. So draft them, keep Evans who looks real good, and deal away picks 5/6 for a nice player, cause you know someone will.

Rodgers is awesome, but QB points (at least for short term) can be mostly replaced without breaking the bank.

It's theoretically bad for 2015, but after that I call it a very nice boost even if half those picks end up duds.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I agree that I like the side getting the picks, and that it will likely work out for them in the long run. I wouldn't say the only risk is for this year though. What if this year's draft class ends up being as big of a bust as 2012 (which btw, was probably the most anticipated fantasy draft class of the bunch)? Assuming they didn't unload any of those guys at their peak value it'd be...

Brown and Rodgers for Luck, Richardson, Martin, Blackmon, and Wilson.

What if Nelson tears his ACL. What if Brown holds out and gets traded, or Rothlisberger gets hurt, or Brown himself gets hurt?

It's not like high end guys haven't completely fallen off the map in the past.

If he really wanted to, he could probably take picks 5 and 6 and turn that into a nice young player, draft with 1,2,3, use EVans, pick up an old QB like Manning semi-cheap, and continue to compete this year.

With that much value on your side in a trade, it opens up all kinds of options for you.

Remember, the risk goes both ways. There is risk when you reject a trade, also.

I'm pretty sure that he knows the risk goes both ways, he's just saying that the risk goes beyond next year.

Very minimally IMO

How so? If those draft picks are busts, how would it not hurt his team for several years?

Because what if Brown loses a limb, Rodgers gets a lifetime ban for overinflating balls and Nelson joins the Peace Corp.?

I made this point in the "dynasty value" thread but we've become so spoiled with the last two draft classes that no one sees any risks in draft picks anymore. I own a bunch of firsts this year so hope it's another amazing draft class, but Free Bagel, just showed how things could go wrong with a recent example, and it basically gets ignored.

I'm not saying the side getting the picks loses, but the risk is clearly on his side of the deal.

 

[ghostguy123]

Because what if Brown loses a limb, Rodgers gets a lifetime ban for overinflating balls and Nelson joins the Peace Corp.?I made this point in the "dynasty value" thread but we've become so spoiled with the last two draft classes that no one sees any risks in draft picks anymore. I own a bunch of firsts this year so hope it's another amazing draft class, but Free Bagel, just showed how things could go wrong with a recent example, and it basically gets ignored.

I'm not saying the side getting the picks loses, but the risk is clearly on his side of the deal.

I don't see any more risk past the 2016 season in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th picks of this draft (plus Mike Evans that people keep leaving out for some reason) than I do in Rodgers, Brown, and Nelson.

If FOUR of those picks bust and just ONE ends up a stud, it's pretty much a wash, if not still in favor of the picks and EVans side (again, past 2015). You would be looking at two studly players under 24, while Nelson will be 31 heading into the 2016 season and Brown 28.

I'll take two 24 year old studs over nelson at 31, brown at 28, and Rodgers at 32. And that seems to be about the lowest expectations I would have for that move in favor of the picks and Evans.

I still look at it more like Rodgers and Brown for picks 1,2,3,5,6 since I prefer Evans over Nelson by a landslide starting 2016.

I don't see any more risk in the picks/Evans side than I do in holding on to the established players. To me, the chances of those picks and Evans being worth the same or less than Rodgers/Brown/Nelson in 2016 and beyond is considerably less. WAY less IMO.

Personally I would look into dealing the 5/6 picks for like four 2016 1sts somehow to try and get top picks again to either use or trade next offseason, but not necessary.

 

[ghostguy123]

but Free Bagel, just showed how things could go wrong with a recent example, and it basically gets ignored.

And it's not ignored. There are plenty of examples of top end established players turning into crap also though.

 

[One More Rep]

12 team PPR (FFPC)

Cobb

Michael Floyd

pick 7

2016 1st (should be clear playoff team)

for

Dez

Brandon Marshalll

2016 2nd

Dez/Marshall

 

[humpback]

Because what if Brown loses a limb, Rodgers gets a lifetime ban for overinflating balls and Nelson joins the Peace Corp.?I made this point in the "dynasty value" thread but we've become so spoiled with the last two draft classes that no one sees any risks in draft picks anymore. I own a bunch of firsts this year so hope it's another amazing draft class, but Free Bagel, just showed how things could go wrong with a recent example, and it basically gets ignored.

I'm not saying the side getting the picks loses, but the risk is clearly on his side of the deal.

I don't see any more risk past the 2016 season in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th picks of this draft (plus Mike Evans that people keep leaving out for some reason) than I do in Rodgers, Brown, and Nelson.

If FOUR of those picks bust and just ONE ends up a stud, it's pretty much a wash, if not still in favor of the picks and EVans side (again, past 2015). You would be looking at two studly players under 24, while Nelson will be 31 heading into the 2016 season and Brown 28.

I'll take two 24 year old studs over nelson at 31, brown at 28, and Rodgers at 32. And that seems to be about the lowest expectations I would have for that move in favor of the picks and Evans.

I still look at it more like Rodgers and Brown for picks 1,2,3,5,6 since I prefer Evans over Nelson by a landslide starting 2016.

I don't see any more risk in the picks/Evans side than I do in holding on to the established players. To me, the chances of those picks and Evans being worth the same or less than Rodgers/Brown/Nelson in 2016 and beyond is considerably less. WAY less IMO.

Personally I would look into dealing the 5/6 picks for like four 2016 1sts somehow to try and get top picks again to either use or trade next offseason, but not necessary.

Why would we talk about Evans here when we're discussing the risk of the upcoming rookie class?

Now you're saying you don't see any more risk with the draft picks side- earlier you said you don't see any risk with it, which is very different. You can certainly argue that one side has more or less long term risk than the other, but it's silly to say that either side has little to no risk beyond next year.

 

[Rebel Ted]

Julius Thomas for 1.06 pick.

 

[Rolling_akg]

CJ Anderson for Keenan Allen

 

[One More Rep]

CJ Anderson for Keenan Allen

Allen

 

[One More Rep]

Julius Thomas for 1.06 pick.

1.6 but close

 

[pizzatyme]

JuliusThomas

Donnell, Vincent Jackson, 2015 2.5

 

[ghostguy123]

Because what if Brown loses a limb, Rodgers gets a lifetime ban for overinflating balls and Nelson joins the Peace Corp.?

I made this point in the "dynasty value" thread but we've become so spoiled with the last two draft classes that no one sees any risks in draft picks anymore. I own a bunch of firsts this year so hope it's another amazing draft class, but Free Bagel, just showed how things could go wrong with a recent example, and it basically gets ignored.

I'm not saying the side getting the picks loses, but the risk is clearly on his side of the deal.

I don't see any more risk past the 2016 season in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th picks of this draft (plus Mike Evans that people keep leaving out for some reason) than I do in Rodgers, Brown, and Nelson.

If FOUR of those picks bust and just ONE ends up a stud, it's pretty much a wash, if not still in favor of the picks and EVans side (again, past 2015). You would be looking at two studly players under 24, while Nelson will be 31 heading into the 2016 season and Brown 28.

I'll take two 24 year old studs over nelson at 31, brown at 28, and Rodgers at 32. And that seems to be about the lowest expectations I would have for that move in favor of the picks and Evans.

I still look at it more like Rodgers and Brown for picks 1,2,3,5,6 since I prefer Evans over Nelson by a landslide starting 2016.

I don't see any more risk in the picks/Evans side than I do in holding on to the established players. To me, the chances of those picks and Evans being worth the same or less than Rodgers/Brown/Nelson in 2016 and beyond is considerably less. WAY less IMO.

Personally I would look into dealing the 5/6 picks for like four 2016 1sts somehow to try and get top picks again to either use or trade next offseason, but not necessary.

Why would we talk about Evans here when we're discussing the risk of the upcoming rookie class?Now you're saying you don't see any more risk with the draft picks side- earlier you said you don't see any risk with it, which is very different. You can certainly argue that one side has more or less long term risk than the other, but it's silly to say that either side has little to no risk beyond next year.

Every trade, and every player has risk. Goes without saying. Figured that was obvious.

To me there is no risk in making the move since i dont see that side having more risk than the other side. I see it as less risk actually.

We are talking about evans because he was in the deal. Why wouldnt we talk about evans??

 

[cincipd]

Julius Thomas for 1.06 pick.

Thomas, 6 is a bit too far back

 

[cincipd]

CJ Anderson for Keenan Allen

put me down for CJ, think he will win the job and be top 10

 

[cincipd]

JuliusThomas

Donnell, Vincent Jackson, 2015 2.5

this one is close, haven't decided how Beckham, Cruz, Donnell will split touches. Seems like teams will take away Beckham but they couldn't do it last year. I guess give me Thomas but this one is close for me. Depends on team needs

 

[King of the Jungle]

PPR. Traded Latavius Murray for Lamar Miller.

 

[Zyphros]

2QB 3RB 3WR 2TE 1Flex .5ppr 10 team league

1.03

for

Demarco

Both were playoff teams but the team that traded away Demarco wants to do a mini rebuild. I thought it was a little light for Murray

 

[ghostguy123]

Thats a horrible trade of murray in thay rebuild. Just horrible. Two QB league with 9 rb/wr/te and he goes for one single pick?? In any format that is bad, in this one just horrible.

 

[ghostguy123]

And its a 0.5 ppr???? Wow

 

[Denver724]

JuliusThomas

Donnell, Vincent Jackson, 2015 2.5

I'll take Thomas in this deal.

 

[humpback]

Why would we talk about Evans here when we're discussing the risk of the upcoming rookie class?

Now you're saying you don't see any more risk with the draft picks side- earlier you said you don't see any risk with it, which is very different. You can certainly argue that one side has more or less long term risk than the other, but it's silly to say that either side has little to no risk beyond next year.

Every trade, and every player has risk. Goes without saying. Figured that was obvious.To me there is no risk in making the move since i dont see that side having more risk than the other side. I see it as less risk actually.

We are talking about evans because he was in the deal. Why wouldnt we talk about evans??

We wouldn't talk about Evans because we're talking about the future risk- no one is arguing that Evans is risky here, just that the other pieces (draft picks) are.

If it goes without saying, why do you keep saying it? You said that one side only has risk for next year and after that there's no risk for them. Sorry, but that's just plain false- even if you want to say they have less risk than the other side longer term, less does not equal none. There is certainly a chance that they lose out on this deal long term, even if it doesn't seem likely.

 

[humpback]

2QB 3RB 3WR 2TE 1Flex .5ppr 10 team league

1.03

for

Demarco

Both were playoff teams but the team that traded away Demarco wants to do a mini rebuild. I thought it was a little light for Murray

Definitely seems light, and a bit strange that a playoff team "wants" to do a mini rebuild.

 

[ghostguy123]

Why would we talk about Evans here when we're discussing the risk of the upcoming rookie class?

Now you're saying you don't see any more risk with the draft picks side- earlier you said you don't see any risk with it, which is very different. You can certainly argue that one side has more or less long term risk than the other, but it's silly to say that either side has little to no risk beyond next year.

Every trade, and every player has risk. Goes without saying. Figured that was obvious.To me there is no risk in making the move since i dont see that side having more risk than the other side. I see it as less risk actually.

We are talking about evans because he was in the deal. Why wouldnt we talk about evans??

We wouldn't talk about Evans because we're talking about the future risk- no one is arguing that Evans is risky here, just that the other pieces (draft picks) are.

If it goes without saying, why do you keep saying it? You said that one side only has risk for next year and after that there's no risk for them. Sorry, but that's just plain false- even if you want to say they have less risk than the other side longer term, less does not equal none. There is certainly a chance that they lose out on this deal long term, even if it doesn't seem likely.

Well, we HAVE to talk about Evans because he is part of the deal. I don;t understand how you can leave Evans out of the discussion of that trade. If we do, then can we at leat leave Jordy nelson out of the discussion?

In which case the deal is then Rodgers and Antonio brown for picks 1,2,3,5,6.

In which case, I take those five picks over Rodgers and Brown no matter my team makeup

 

[msudaisy26]

PPR. Traded Latavius Murray for Lamar Miller.

That is ugly

 

[msudaisy26]

2QB 3RB 3WR 2TE 1Flex .5ppr 10 team league

1.03

for

Demarco

Both were playoff teams but the team that traded away Demarco wants to do a mini rebuild. I thought it was a little light for Murray

Definitely seems light, and a bit strange that a playoff team "wants" to do a mini rebuild.

It is light, I did a mini rebuild right before the playoffs with my playoff team. I was going to be one of the last in and I knew I wasn't one of the top 3 teams. I unloaded Calvin and got back picks and a couple of young players. I would have lost in the 1st round with or without Calvin. Now my team looks a lot stronger for next year.

 

[ghostguy123]

PPR. Traded Latavius Murray for Lamar Miller.

That is ugly

ugly which way? Seriously.

I could see going either way here pretty easy

 

[One More Rep]

PPR. Traded Latavius Murray for Lamar Miller.

That is ugly

ugly which way? Seriously.

I could see going either way here pretty easy

Same here. I prefer Murray

 

[ghostguy123]

PPR. Traded Latavius Murray for Lamar Miller.

That is ugly

ugly which way? Seriously.

I could see going either way here pretty easy

Same here. I prefer Murray

I do, too. Maybe he is saying ugly cause he prefers Murray by a landslide?? No idea. Doesnt dersere an "ugly". Unless he thinks both players are ugly I guess.

 

[humpback]

Why would we talk about Evans here when we're discussing the risk of the upcoming rookie class?

Now you're saying you don't see any more risk with the draft picks side- earlier you said you don't see any risk with it, which is very different. You can certainly argue that one side has more or less long term risk than the other, but it's silly to say that either side has little to no risk beyond next year.

Every trade, and every player has risk. Goes without saying. Figured that was obvious.To me there is no risk in making the move since i dont see that side having more risk than the other side. I see it as less risk actually.

We are talking about evans because he was in the deal. Why wouldnt we talk about evans??

We wouldn't talk about Evans because we're talking about the future risk- no one is arguing that Evans is risky here, just that the other pieces (draft picks) are.

If it goes without saying, why do you keep saying it? You said that one side only has risk for next year and after that there's no risk for them. Sorry, but that's just plain false- even if you want to say they have less risk than the other side longer term, less does not equal none. There is certainly a chance that they lose out on this deal long term, even if it doesn't seem likely.

Well, we HAVE to talk about Evans because he is part of the deal. I don;t understand how you can leave Evans out of the discussion of that trade. If we do, then can we at leat leave Jordy nelson out of the discussion?

In which case the deal is then Rodgers and Antonio brown for picks 1,2,3,5,6.

In which case, I take those five picks over Rodgers and Brown no matter my team makeup

This discussion is about the risk, specifically beyond next year. Yes, we can leave Jordy out of it, which is exactly what I have done if you haven't noticed. Evans and Jordy aren't a big part of the "risk", which is why we have been talking about the things that are (the draft picks).

That's fine if you'd take that side, I very well might do the same, but it still doesn't mean there isn't any risk beyond next year in doing so. Let's move on, you're not getting it.

 

[Spookytooth]

12 tm ppr

Evans for 1.6 Hyde roethlisberger who wins

 

[ghostguy123]

This discussion is about the risk, specifically beyond next year. Yes, we can leave Jordy out of it, which is exactly what I have done if you haven't noticed. Evans and Jordy aren't a big part of the "risk", which is why we have been talking about the things that are (the draft picks).

That's fine if you'd take that side, I very well might do the same, but it still doesn't mean there isn't any risk beyond next year in doing so. Let's move on, you're not getting it.

I think it was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY less risky than you.

I think that would sum it up best.

 

[msudaisy26]

PPR. Traded Latavius Murray for Lamar Miller.

That is ugly

ugly which way? Seriously.

I could see going either way here pretty easy

Miller should bring more than that.

 

[ghostguy123]

Miller should bring more than that.

Enough to call it ugly?? This is Lamar Miller, right?

 

[msudaisy26]

Miller should bring more than that.

Enough to call it ugly?? This is Lamar Miller, right?

Yeah it is ugly and I like Murray. Miller and him are the same age. One guy has a top 10 season under his belt. The other guy has a handful of decent games. Murray is worth a late first or early second. I wouldn't trade a soon to be 24 year old top 15ish back for a late 1st.

 

[ghostguy123]

Miller should bring more than that.

Enough to call it ugly?? This is Lamar Miller, right?

Yeah it is ugly and I like Murray. Miller and him are the same age. One guy has a top 10 season under his belt. The other guy has a handful of decent games. Murray is worth a late first or early second. I wouldn't trade a soon to be 24 year old top 15ish back for a late 1st.

take miller then, cool.

calling it ugly?? nah

 

[msudaisy26]

If you were in a start up right now Miller would be at worst a 6th rounder. At worst Murray is 10th rounder. That is a lot of value to give up.

 

[ghostguy123]

If you were in a start up right now Miller would be at worst a 6th rounder. At worst Murray is 10th rounder. That is a lot of value to give up.

I dont agree with Murray lasting till the 10th at all

 

[thriftyrocker]

If you were in a start up right now Miller would be at worst a 6th rounder. At worst Murray is 10th rounder. That is a lot of value to give up.

I dont agree with Murray lasting till the 10th at all

DLF Jan ADP has Lat at 73 and Miller at 40. I think it's a good time to sell on Miller but would need a lot more than Lat.

 

[msudaisy26]

If you were in a start up right now Miller would be at worst a 6th rounder. At worst Murray is 10th rounder. That is a lot of value to give up.

I dont agree with Murray lasting till the 10th at all

That is why I said at worst. I think Miller goes in the 4th and Murray in the 6th.

 

[ghostguy123]

If you were in a start up right now Miller would be at worst a 6th rounder. At worst Murray is 10th rounder. That is a lot of value to give up.

I dont agree with Murray lasting till the 10th at all

DLF Jan ADP has Lat at 73 and Miller at 40. I think it's a good time to sell on Miller but would need a lot more than Lat.

Makes sense for most of january, though I think that would be closer right now in drafts.

I would be looking to sell miller also

 

[dirtyjay]

Mike evans and pick 32

For

Cole beasley and pick 9 and pick 11