Congrats on a good season Skins fans. Looking forward to many years of good football in a wide open division. Hope both of our teams can get the deals wrapped up with the young QBs and they can continue to improve. Not going to be a doosch about the one game and out. You were where we wanted to be.
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**Official** 2015 Washington Redskins Thread YOU LIKE THAT! (1 Viewer)
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Disappointed but not surprised.....
First, it was a great season. Everyone had us down as a 2-4 win team and we made it to the playoffs. For all those who say, "well it's just because the NFC East sucks, "F U...in previous years we STILL wouldn't have won it. This year we did. You have to beat the crappy teams before beating the good teams.
Second, even though I had low expectations for the playoffs, that game hurt. We started off so well...that game felt like it was winnable. Individual plays seem isolated at the time but turn the tide of the game. DJax failing to score; Cousins' fumble. We should be able to get through those but they all felt like momentum changers.
That said, I don't think offense was the reason we lost. I am really upset at how poor the defense played in the second half. The offense moved the ball down the field first possession of the 3rd and we had the lead again. Despite the earlier DJax play, the fumble, or whatever, we had the lead. And the entire rest of the half the defense just let GB run it down their throats the whole time.
I guess we're at least an average team and not a shat team like everyone said, but we need to take it up a level next year. Not sure what that will entail but I think defense needs more help than offense even at this point.
Crap. I didn't have high hopes but yeah it hurt anyways.
Second, even though I had low expectations for the playoffs, that game hurt. We started off so well...that game felt like it was winnable. Individual plays seem isolated at the time but turn the tide of the game. DJax failing to score; Cousins' fumble. We should be able to get through those but they all felt like momentum changers.
That said, I don't think offense was the reason we lost. I am really upset at how poor the defense played in the second half. The offense moved the ball down the field first possession of the 3rd and we had the lead again. Despite the earlier DJax play, the fumble, or whatever, we had the lead. And the entire rest of the half the defense just let GB run it down their throats the whole time.
I guess we're at least an average team and not a shat team like everyone said, but we need to take it up a level next year. Not sure what that will entail but I think defense needs more help than offense even at this point.
Crap. I didn't have high hopes but yeah it hurt anyways.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Good year, Washington. Went farther than I predicted, and some players really emerged as the year progressed. Jordan Reed is a weapon, hope he can continue in good health. Next year the first place schedule will be a tougher road to hoe, but 9-8 and an NFCE title is nothing to sneeze at. Tighten up the D and let the offense have another year to gel, and this team should be in the mix to win back-to-back division crowns. Playoff experience this year could be a stepping stone.
Going forward in the NFCE into 2016, it will be interesting to see what WAS does with Cousins and PHI does with Bradford. Same age, both free-agent-to-be QBs who showed some promise. Cousins has to be the more attractive of the two due to a healthier career to date, but both clubs need to decide on a long-term deal or use the tag to keep them, because there just aren't better options available.
Going forward in the NFCE into 2016, it will be interesting to see what WAS does with Cousins and PHI does with Bradford. Same age, both free-agent-to-be QBs who showed some promise. Cousins has to be the more attractive of the two due to a healthier career to date, but both clubs need to decide on a long-term deal or use the tag to keep them, because there just aren't better options available.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
I dont want to overpay. Cousins had a good year but against bad defenses. Didn't beat one team with a winning record and GB wasnt very good coming into this even though their passing D is top 10. Im not ready to tout him as a top10 or even 15 qb. But i look forward to seeing him next year against a 1st place schedule! Hopefully we can give him some help on D and improve his protection. I can see the culture of the organization changing and thats really the most important. Im confident scott will get some more pieces to the puzzle in place!
I think they probably Franchise him if they can't work out something reasonable, McCloughan's been good at evaluating talent so I feel pretty confident he'll make the right decision.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Congrats on a good season guys.
I really wish this team would have advanced to the next round. I thought this team had a good chance of beating the Packers. The strengths of their team matched up well against what the Redskins do well however Defensive backs were hurt prior to this game and ultimately the defense couldn't do enough to slow down their offense. As a Vikings fan I know how frustrating that can be. As bad as they have played this year Rodgers is still very good if you let him relax at all.
At least your team found its QB. I think the offensive line that has been a work in progress for a few years now finally came together pretty well. There are some good pieces on the offensive side of the ball. Work on the defense and I think this team has a good shot of winning the East again.
I really wish this team would have advanced to the next round. I thought this team had a good chance of beating the Packers. The strengths of their team matched up well against what the Redskins do well however Defensive backs were hurt prior to this game and ultimately the defense couldn't do enough to slow down their offense. As a Vikings fan I know how frustrating that can be. As bad as they have played this year Rodgers is still very good if you let him relax at all.
At least your team found its QB. I think the offensive line that has been a work in progress for a few years now finally came together pretty well. There are some good pieces on the offensive side of the ball. Work on the defense and I think this team has a good shot of winning the East again.
Oh for Pete's sake:
The reason Washington lost was because they were thoroughly outplayed by Green Bay. The Packers' o-line tightened up after the initial drive, and Rodgers had all the time he needed to pick them apart. Yes, DJax stupidly cost them 4 points, but they lost by 17, so it's a real stretch to say that play was decisive. On the Wild Card Blame-o-Meter, he's well behind Walsh, Burfict, Jones and Hill.
The reason people downplay the effects of momentum is precisely because it's not real. I'm certainly not defending DJax, who seems to have a talent for combining talent and boneheadedness at levels unmatched in recent memory. But if the play was so completely devastating to Washington's psyche, why did they respond to it by scoring a TD on the next drive? Maybe it took a little while for the momentum shift to gestate?
The reason Washington lost was because they were thoroughly outplayed by Green Bay. The Packers' o-line tightened up after the initial drive, and Rodgers had all the time he needed to pick them apart. Yes, DJax stupidly cost them 4 points, but they lost by 17, so it's a real stretch to say that play was decisive. On the Wild Card Blame-o-Meter, he's well behind Walsh, Burfict, Jones and Hill.
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dgreen
Footballguy
Agree.
And, sure, it would have been nice if Jackson had converted that (wouldn't have been difficult), but I have more of a problem with not being able to score with 3 attempts from the 1. The strength is spreading things out and they go jumbo on back to back plays with a RB who has shown an inability to convert in those situations this season. I would have gone empty back field and pass, pass, pass there. The only runs I would consider are from spread, including read option. They were trying to be a power running team when they've repeatedly failed at that.
Agree with the points you all are making about not loading all the blame on Jackson. Several things:
1. Most of the commentary I see about Jackson is from Eagles fans trying to justify their team's letting him go.
2. As has been pointed out, Jackson is both a great player and a bonehead. Arguably, without him we may not make the playoffs this year. So you can't just say he's the cause of all our ills. Replace him if you have a viable option. But right now, we don't.
3. Momentum. I agree that these plays result in momentum shifts. But what have we talked about all year guys, particularly with Cousins. Bad things happen in a game. DON'T LET IT SNOWBALL. And, to the Redskins credit, that play did not really kill them. As DGreen points out, we followed that score with another stop and another score to go up 11. Furthermore, we actually seized back momentum in the second half by RETAKING THE LEAD.
So, in the 3rd quarter, after we went for it and made it on fourth down, then Cousins scores on a draw to flumox GBs excellent goal line defense, we HAD MOMENTUM AGAIN.
The reason we loss is the defense was a wet paper tissue vs. the GB run game after that. I mean, we needed to have the ball with the wind in the third quarter and all GB did was control the clock with the run game.
1. Most of the commentary I see about Jackson is from Eagles fans trying to justify their team's letting him go.
2. As has been pointed out, Jackson is both a great player and a bonehead. Arguably, without him we may not make the playoffs this year. So you can't just say he's the cause of all our ills. Replace him if you have a viable option. But right now, we don't.
3. Momentum. I agree that these plays result in momentum shifts. But what have we talked about all year guys, particularly with Cousins. Bad things happen in a game. DON'T LET IT SNOWBALL. And, to the Redskins credit, that play did not really kill them. As DGreen points out, we followed that score with another stop and another score to go up 11. Furthermore, we actually seized back momentum in the second half by RETAKING THE LEAD.
So, in the 3rd quarter, after we went for it and made it on fourth down, then Cousins scores on a draw to flumox GBs excellent goal line defense, we HAD MOMENTUM AGAIN.
The reason we loss is the defense was a wet paper tissue vs. the GB run game after that. I mean, we needed to have the ball with the wind in the third quarter and all GB did was control the clock with the run game.
MattFancy
Footballguy
That was a fun/disappointing game to be at. While it's never fun to lose, I can't be too upset about it. None of us here went into the season expecting playoffs. Was a fun ride of a season.
Going forward, I like where the team is headed. Not so sure we won't have a slight dip next season just because of the schedule, but I think we'll still see improvement across the board. Just need to add some depth and a few pieces along the OL, DL, RB, and DB. I don't think we need major upgrades at any of those spots, just some more depth to help in the case of injuries.
Glad to have McCloughan in here going into the draft and FA.
Going forward, I like where the team is headed. Not so sure we won't have a slight dip next season just because of the schedule, but I think we'll still see improvement across the board. Just need to add some depth and a few pieces along the OL, DL, RB, and DB. I don't think we need major upgrades at any of those spots, just some more depth to help in the case of injuries.
Glad to have McCloughan in here going into the draft and FA.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Not going to nitpick, and certainly not blaming desean, but you can't leave points out there in a playoff game. Fine, he didn't score. 1st and goal at the 1/2 yard line at home is a must. Then missing the extra point...ugh.
Great season. Significantly exceeded my expectations and gives me hope for the future. Thank goodness we finally have a competent GM.
Great season. Significantly exceeded my expectations and gives me hope for the future. Thank goodness we finally have a competent GM.
MattFancy
Footballguy
From the stands, I couldn't tell what happened on that play. The replay that showed looked close, but that the ball may not have crossed the GL. Was he showboating like some mentioned? It didn't appear that way at the game. I think if he tries to stick the ball out there, there's a chance it gets knocked out and it could have been a touchback. I really didn't have any gripes there. My complaint was like yours. We had 1st and Goal at the 1/2yd line and couldn't punch it in. That was rough. We get 6 there instead of 3 and we would have been up at least 14-0.
dgreen
Footballguy
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
He didn't step in the endzone (went from the one, over the endzone and then stepped out of bounds) and the ball never broke the GL. He could have had the ball cross if he was thinking of it.
jonessed
Footballguy
He tooks his foot off the gas and kind of stepped through the end zone with the ball in his right hand. The ball never crossed the plane, even though it would have been pretty easy for him to bring it to his left hand or just move it over.
He wasn't showboating. He was just being nonchalant about it.
Believe me, us Eagle fans had years of seeing this. Just like when he was drawing attention to himself on that punt return against Dallas and proceeded to fumble. Desean is a showboat, a very soft player who hates contact, and a bonehead, He's also a burner with good hands who is a deep threat on every play and changes how a defense has to plan. You get both with him and get to experience the good with the bad. While watching him this season, there were plays he made that made me remember what a weapon he is and how much the Eagles miss that. Then I'd see plays by him that reminded me why I'm glad he's no longer here. If you don't know what I'm talking about already, you soon will. He'll win you games and he'll lose you games. You just hope he wins you more than he costs you.
Yeah, all season I've been wanting us to resign him but I really do think if we had another speedster option I would be cool with them letting him walk. The question is what options does the team have. That's what it boils down to. It's just amazing to me apparently how rare it is to have a guy who can stretch it like Desean. I guess that's how he gets away with being a pain in the ###.
dgreen
Footballguy
I thought he just had no interest in taking contact. He could have easily put his head down, dived into the endzone, taken a possible hit, and scored the TD. He chose to just run for the corner and (giving him the benefit of the doubt) hold the ball in his right hand to keep it away from the defender. Oh well. Again, shouldn't have been a big deal. Have to score with first and goal from the 1.
Exactly. The objection to momentum is not that players don't get emotionally affected by certain plays. It's that it's almost always diagnosed retroactively. In this case, the author clearly wanted to blame Jackson, but the fact that Washington lost by 17 complicates that narrative, so he just waves his hands and ascribes magic properties to that one play relative to everything else that happened, even if the timeline isn't nearly as neat as he makes it out to be.
dhockster
Footballguy
Positives for Washington going into the offseason:
-Looks like you have your franchise QB in Cousins. If he continues to improve, he could possibly a top 5 QB in another 2-3 years.
-You should be through with the RGIII circus next year.
-You have another offseason for McCloughan to bring in more talent through the draft and Free Agency.
Unknowns for next year:
-Is Gruden a good coach
-Is Joe Barry a good DC
-Can Snyder keep away from doing things to impede the progress of the franchise
-Looks like you have your franchise QB in Cousins. If he continues to improve, he could possibly a top 5 QB in another 2-3 years.
-You should be through with the RGIII circus next year.
-You have another offseason for McCloughan to bring in more talent through the draft and Free Agency.
Unknowns for next year:
-Is Gruden a good coach
-Is Joe Barry a good DC
-Can Snyder keep away from doing things to impede the progress of the franchise
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I don't think the final score has anything to do with the momentum lost in the 1st quarter. Up 14 is a lot different than 9. It's the thought that even though we did such and such, we only gave up (or scored) 9 points.
Maybe it takes a little more wind out of their sails, or the Redskins say "we have them at home and just scored two TDs pretty effortlessly." You cannot leave those points on the field in the playoffs. Especially early in the game.
Maybe it takes a little more wind out of their sails, or the Redskins say "we have them at home and just scored two TDs pretty effortlessly." You cannot leave those points on the field in the playoffs. Especially early in the game.
What's the likelihood that Washington could get Cousins on the type of deals given out to Tannehill, Kaepernick and Dalton in recent years? Basically a couple years guaranteed and then a series of one-year contracts that allow the team to get out from under the deal if his play goes south? I think that's clearly the tier Cousins is in right now -- promising, but don't go carving any HOF busts just yet. And are 'Skins fans any more optimistic than Dolphins fans were a year ago, or Niners fans were two years ago?
Seems like that would be a better situation than a franchise year and then potentially having to pay him a lot more if he puts up another strong season. But I suppose he may decide that his best option is to make the team either franchise him and have a prove-it year?
I honestly have no idea how QBs typically game out these situations, so I don't know what makes the most sense from Cousins' perspective. But the fact that the aforementioned QBs all agreed to those types of deals suggests that it may hold some appeal to those in the second/third tier.
Seems like that would be a better situation than a franchise year and then potentially having to pay him a lot more if he puts up another strong season. But I suppose he may decide that his best option is to make the team either franchise him and have a prove-it year?
I honestly have no idea how QBs typically game out these situations, so I don't know what makes the most sense from Cousins' perspective. But the fact that the aforementioned QBs all agreed to those types of deals suggests that it may hold some appeal to those in the second/third tier.
First of all, I think I finally understand the rules on this. If Jackson steps in the endzone, the ball only needs to cross the plane of the goalline, and the plane extends infinitely into foul territory.
If Jackson crosses the goal line and steps out of bounds, the ball needs to cross the plane of the goal line in fair territory. If he gets any part of the ball to go over the pylon, it is a touchdown.
On the actual play, Jackson is hold the ball toward the sideline (away from the tackler) and away from his body. If he was holding the ball against his body, it would have been really close and unlikely the play would be overturned by replay. It also seems like it is better technique to hold the ball against the body when being tackled.
Most likely, Jackson did not think he was going to be pushed out of bounds on the play and was sloppy on his technique.
fatness
Footballguy
A lot of us thought they could beat the Packers too. But they (and we to a lesser extent) ran into a wall: this year they could not beat a good team. The teams the Skins beat this year were all mediocre or bad. No good ones. And that's just who they are this year. The last string of wins to end the season had us thinking they were jelling into a little bit more. Then thud.
Their offensive line, even with all the replacements there, was good at pass blocking this year which surprised me. They also were not good at run blocking which also surprised me. I don't pretend to know the reason, but I do know they need to run block a lot better next year if they want to do more than they did this year. Sometimes you need to run to slow down a pass rush. Sometimes you need it to eat clock. Sometimes you need it to pound it in from the half yard line or get that critical third down. Sometimes you need it to let the other team know you can push them around. They need better run blocking next year.
They've found a more-than-competent QB and that's plenty good for me. They need defensive help. I assume it's both players and coaching that need improvement on defense. Barry was in the first year on the job here and I want to see what he can do to produce better defense on the field, especially in the second half of games.
I do have confidence in the GM making draft picks, trades, and free agent signings. First time I could say that since Bobby Beathard. Do you young guys know who Bobby Beathard was?
More positives this year than negatives. I'm mildly happy overall due to the results and the team direction. Still feel like #### after enduring the 38-7 onslaught after the 1st quarter yesterday though.
fatness
Footballguy
I couldn't agree more. The 1st and goal resulting in a FG was humiliating. It's the same bad run blocking they've had all year. The missed XP was terrible. They should have been up 16-0 instead of 11-0 and I was pissed off. But with the defense then giving up an avalanche I don't think it affected the outcome. The Packers scored on 5 or 6 straight drives.
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fatness
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I haven't watched that many of the Redskins games this year so I appreciate your insight on the offensive line. Morris obviously didn't have as good a season as the previous three. The running game is not what it was under Skeletor. I don't think any of us really expected it to be. Gruden emphasizes the passing game more than Mike does.A lot of us thought they could beat the Packers too. But they (and we to a lesser extent) ran into a wall: this year they could not beat a good team. The teams the Skins beat this year were all mediocre or bad. No good ones. And that's just who they are this year. The last string of wins to end the season had us thinking they were jelling into a little bit more. Then thud.
Their offensive line, even with all the replacements there, was good at pass blocking this year which surprised me. They also were not good at run blocking which also surprised me. I don't pretend to know the reason, but I do know they need to run block a lot better next year if they want to do more than they did this year. Sometimes you need to run to slow down a pass rush. Sometimes you need it to eat clock. Sometimes you need it to pound it in from the half yard line or get that critical third down. Sometimes you need it to let the other team know you can push them around. They need better run blocking next year.
They've found a more-than-competent QB and that's plenty good for me. They need defensive help. I assume it's both players and coaching that need improvement on defense. Barry was in the first year on the job here and I want to see what he can do to produce better defense on the field, especially in the second half of games.
I do have confidence in the GM making draft picks, trades, and free agent signings. First time I could say that since Bobby Beathard. Do you young guys know who Bobby Beathard was?
More positives this year than negatives. I'm mildly happy overall due to the results and the team direction. Still feel like #### after enduring the 38-7 onslaught after the 1st quarter yesterday though.
The catalyst for the offensive line changes seem to be the drafting of Scherff and the development of second year players Moses and Long drafted in the 3rd round last season. Those are 3 new starters added since Gruden arrived. Seems like a good young nucleus for the team to work with in the long term.
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