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***Official 2016 Democratic National Convention*** With no accountability, sky's the limit (3 Viewers)

The_Man said:
OMG, so they've replace DWS at the podium, with Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings Blake, Secretary of the DNC. Pretty much the only thing America "knows" about her is that she sided with the rioters against the police last year (didn't actually happen like that, but that's what everyone says).

She's so bad, she couldn't even run for re-election in Baltimore. And now she's the face of the DNC? They have no f'ing idea what they are doing.
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Plus add in the hijinx of the MOTHERS OF THE MOVEMENT

Cant see this looking bad 

 
Quez said:
I wonder what Trumll be doing during the DN. C?  Like Hillary, he could choose to sit back and make comments on Twitter.  However, be has the draw tondo something that could steal viewers.  Just like he did during the primary debates.  An impromptu speech highlighting the leaked emails & corruption would definitely have me watching.
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Impromptu Apprentice special picking his chief of staff  

 
The_Man said:
From Trump's nomination speech:

In our nation's capital, killings have risen by 50 percent. They are up nearly 60% in nearby Baltimore.

And now they're rolling out the Mayor who oversaw this 60% increase in killings as the face of the Party's leadership. Probably not a big deal, but certainly another easy target for Trump.
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DNC and Hillary are clueless about how to win this election

 
i wish they'd merge the threads; I wasn't aware of this one when I started the other one. 

I liked that mayor of Baltimore and I felt sorry for her during those riots; but nobody's going to watch her speak anyhow. 

 
The_Man said:
From Trump's nomination speech:

In our nation's capital, killings have risen by 50 percent. They are up nearly 60% in nearby Baltimore.

And now they're rolling out the Mayor who oversaw this 60% increase in killings as the face of the Party's leadership. Probably not a big deal, but certainly another easy target for Trump.
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This is Trump lying with statistics.  It's true that murder in DC and Baltimore was up in 2015 from 2014 numbers.  But that's only because from 2008 through 2013/2014 the rates plummeted to 50 year lows.  Same thing for Chicago, by the way.

Anyone blaming Obama or Clinton for 2015's spike should be giving them credit for the precipitous drop from 2008.

 
Bernie's going to have to deliver one hell of an extraordinary speech tonight to get this party united.  The wiki thing only validates what the Hillary dissenters have been saying.  I don't think there's any possible conversion now.  But, maybe Bernie can deliver the speech of a lifetime.

 
Allow me to be an optimist here: 

1. Now that DWS is not showing up and has resigned, the DNC scandal is over. 

2. This will be a very smooth, very well run convention. 

3. Bernie will give a great unifying speech tonight. 

4. Obama, Bill, Joe, Bloomberg, Warren, Michelle, and Tim Kaine will all give memorable speeches. 

5. It's been said that Hillary Clinton is the most famous person on Earth that nobody knows. That all ends this week. We're going to learn a lot about the personal side of Hillary, her middle class upbringing, her private good nature that is going to make people get to know her and like her more. Expect her popularity to rise after Thursday. 

6. Today, Monday July 25, is the high water mark for the Trump campaign. From now until November it will be all good for Hillary. 

So? Call me crazy, but this is what I expect (and very much hope) to happen! 

 
cobalt_27 said:
Bernie's going to have to deliver one hell of an extraordinary speech tonight to get this party united.  The wiki thing only validates what the Hillary dissenters have been saying.  I don't think there's any possible conversion now.  But, maybe Bernie can deliver the speech of a lifetime.
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Bernie can do John Lennon "Over Me" - Trump is the gift that keeps giving to Hillary.

 
randall146 said:
I'm not sure what you mean, but I assume it's very clever
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What I meant was, saying an almost 60% YOY increase in murders is no pause for concern because the rate of increase from 2008 to 2015 is lower than the YOY increase is a deflection from the recent surge.

 
timschochet said:
Allow me to be an optimist here: 

1. Now that DWS is not showing up and has resigned, the DNC scandal is over. 

2. This will be a very smooth, very well run convention. 

3. Bernie will give a great unifying speech tonight. 

4. Obama, Bill, Joe, Bloomberg, Warren, Michelle, and Tim Kaine will all give memorable speeches. 

5. It's been said that Hillary Clinton is the most famous person on Earth that nobody knows. That all ends this week. We're going to learn a lot about the personal side of Hillary, her middle class upbringing, her private good nature that is going to make people get to know her and like her more. Expect her popularity to rise after Thursday. 

6. Today, Monday July 25, is the high water mark for the Trump campaign. From now until November it will be all good for Hillary. 

So? Call me crazy, but this is what I expect (and very much hope) to happen! 
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I see it much the same way, although from my perspective this is a pessimistic view.  I hope it is wrong.  I hope both parties continue to implode this election cycle and that somehow all this leads to some meaningful reform of the political process..  However, HRC is made of Teflon.  All this, like all other issues over the past 20 some years, will slide right off her, and it will be business as usual in DC for the foreseeable future.

 
timschochet said:
Allow me to be an optimist here: 

1. Now that DWS is not showing up and has resigned, the DNC scandal is over. 

2. This will be a very smooth, very well run convention. 

3. Bernie will give a great unifying speech tonight. 

4. Obama, Bill, Joe, Bloomberg, Warren, Michelle, and Tim Kaine will all give memorable speeches. 

5. It's been said that Hillary Clinton is the most famous person on Earth that nobody knows. That all ends this week. We're going to learn a lot about the personal side of Hillary, her middle class upbringing, her private good nature that is going to make people get to know her and like her more. Expect her popularity to rise after Thursday. 

6. Today, Monday July 25, is the high water mark for the Trump campaign. From now until November it will be all good for Hillary. 

So? Call me crazy, but this is what I expect (and very much hope) to happen! 
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1.  This was just the first round - apparently more to come...

2.  I thought that - and it is organized much more cleanly - but I am sensing there is still a lot of unrest by the Bernie delegates, even he can't contain.  Not to mention the protests going on outside.

3.  Maybe - but see 2.  Many supporters are not on the same page, and are not likely to be after a speech.

4.  Probably - its a very impressive array of speakers.  Not sure any of them can bring the party together.  Also - I don't think Clinton wants or needs the party to come together.  I think she sees her winning coalition as including centrist conservatives, and not progressive democrats.  The Kaine pick cements that tactic.  She may be right.  But I think this backfires on her.

5.  Nobody wants to know more about Hillary Clinton.

6.  I think you are fooling yourself here.  Trump has defied expectations for almost a year now.  Hillary's numbers typically decline the more she is in the public, Trump's numbers typically (at least in the last year) improve when he is in the media.  That is not a good sign for Clinton.

 
timschochet said:
Allow me to be an optimist here: 

1. Now that DWS is not showing up and has resigned, the DNC scandal is over. 

2. This will be a very smooth, very well run convention. 

3. Bernie will give a great unifying speech tonight. 

4. Obama, Bill, Joe, Bloomberg, Warren, Michelle, and Tim Kaine will all give memorable speeches. 

5. It's been said that Hillary Clinton is the most famous person on Earth that nobody knows. That all ends this week. We're going to learn a lot about the personal side of Hillary, her middle class upbringing, her private good nature that is going to make people get to know her and like her more. Expect her popularity to rise after Thursday. 

6. Today, Monday July 25, is the high water mark for the Trump campaign. From now until November it will be all good for Hillary. 

So? Call me crazy, but this is what I expect (and very much hope) to happen! 
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:lmao:

 
Tim, there isn't likely to be a single person in America that didn't like Hilary Clinton before the convention, that will actually like her after this convention.  I can't imagine a scenario where she doesn't come across in the exact same way as she always has.  I suppose I could be wrong though.

 
Now that  Stephanie Rawlings-Blake is opening the convention, instead of DWS, there should be ample room outside the arena for any protesters to riot and pillage the area.

 

 
randall146 said:
This is Trump lying with statistics.  It's true that murder in DC and Baltimore was up in 2015 from 2014 numbers.  But that's only because from 2008 through 2013/2014 the rates plummeted to 50 year lows.  Same thing for Chicago, by the way.

Anyone blaming Obama or Clinton for 2015's spike should be giving them credit for the precipitous drop from 2008.
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Not to hijack this thread, but the spike in murders last year that Mayor SRB was entirely unable/disinterested in dealing with was catastrophic by pretty much any measure. Here are the numbers of homicides in recent years in Baltimore:

2005: 269

2006: 276

2007: 282

2008: 234

2009: 238

2010: 223

2011: 196

2012: 218

2013: 235

2014: 211

2015: 344

 
mquinnjr said:
What I meant was, saying an almost 60% YOY increase in murders is no pause for concern because the rate of increase from 2008 to 2015 is lower than the YOY increase is a deflection from the recent surge.
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Ahh, I see.  I guess my point is we don't have enough data to even conclude there's been a meaningful "recent surge".  And, even if we did, it's completely disingenuous to look only at a few months of "bad" data and ignore the years of good data.

 
timschochet said:
Bernie's speech tomorrow night will be in prime time. He will be loud and enthusiastic. He will let his supporters know how many concessions he got. He will explain how dangerous Trump is. He will explain how a Hillary presidency helps his movement. He will be energized. 

And that will end any talk of disunity once and for all.
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And at the last moment he says: "you know what screw it - I am running as an independent."  The crowd goes wild and Hillary starts screaming "shut it down" but no one listens to her and that was when she realized she just lost the election. And that that children is how we got President Trump and then the great Canadian migration got started.

 
My prediction:  After Bernie's speech, Tim will come in here and proclaim it to be the best speech he has seen from Bernie ever, and that all the unrest is magically gone.

 
The_Man said:
Not to hijack this thread, but the spike in murders last year that Mayor SRB was entirely unable/disinterested in dealing with was catastrophic by pretty much any measure. Here are the numbers of homicides in recent years in Baltimore:

2005: 269

2006: 276

2007: 282

2008: 234

2009: 238

2010: 223

2011: 196

2012: 218

2013: 235

2014: 211

2015: 344
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Look the homicide rate was most due to the drug war  - those corners they just would not let'em go, they had to fight for them.

 
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
And at the last moment he says: "you know what screw it - I am running as an independent."  The crowd goes wild and Hillary starts screaming "shut it down" but no one listens to her and that was when she realized she just lost the election. And that that children is how we got President Trump and then the great Canadian migration got started.
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:lmao:

 
Sinn Fein said:
My prediction:  After Bernie's speech, Tim will come in here and proclaim it to be the best speech he has seen from Bernie ever, and that all the unrest is magically gone.
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Nah. I always like it when Bernie speaks because he reminds me of my late uncle Herman, also a Brooklyn socialist. I have a soft spot in my heart for Bernie; he feels like mispocheh to me (that's Yiddish for family.) 

 
CNN...let's cut away from the growing protest outside the convention center, Boyz2men have just hit the stage.

 
Tim, that being said, I do expect Hilary to poll better after the convention than before.  Mostly due to the fact that I'd imagine the Democrats will bury viewers with pop culture, entertainers, and other things that the masses will absolutely eat up.  But the bump in the polls won't be due to Hilary's "real personality' coming out.

 
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