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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)

mr roboto said:
The base of the GOP is holding the party and the country hostage. It's ####### embarrassing. They disparage anyone who works with the other side, their rhetoric is of anger and fear, doom and gloom, and they get their rocks off on nominating a charlatan cause, you know, 'merica. Rubio is getting crucified for the immigration bill which he and others actually almost got #### done. Imagine that, getting #### done. 

Obstructionism may win an election or 2 but it sure as #### can't govern. 
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The base of the GOP does not like Trump, if that is what you were implying.

 
Ilov80s said:
Trump certainly has the support of a large piece of the GOP base. 
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We are disagreeing a lot today  :)

i guess it boils down to what you consider the GOP base.  I view it as the foundational power structure, and include power brokers like the Koch brothers, Fox News, the pundits, and the party insiders.

 
Higgs said:
We are disagreeing a lot today  :)

i guess it boils down to what you consider the GOP base.  I view it as the foundational power structure, and include power brokers like the Koch brothers, Fox News, the pundits, and the party insiders.
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No. That's the establishment. The base is the group of voters who comprise the floor of the party. The ones who wouldn't flip their vote to D (but may stay home if an uninspiring candidate is nominated). 

 
Higgs said:
We are disagreeing a lot today  :)

i guess it boils down to what you consider the GOP base.  I view it as the foundational power structure, and include power brokers like the Koch brothers, Fox News, the pundits, and the party insiders.
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I do not mean the money base, I mean the voting base. 

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
I wonder if the other candidates who've dropped out can even stand to watch the news. They must be just kicking things.
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At least they get to maintain some semblance of dignity by kicking things in private as opposed to very publicly embarrassing themselves and the nation like the remaining candidates buffoons. 

 
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Higgs said:
Rubio going with the insults just doesn't work for him.  Sure a few of the Trump haters love it, but most people see it as disingenuous and desperate.  The guy's a phony and will do anything to get elected.  I think it will end up hurting him imo.
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It looks like it didn't help.  On MTP this morning they announced poll results conducted after the debate showing that Rubio didn't gain any ground at all. 

 
Higgs said:
It looks like it didn't help.  On MTP this morning they announced poll results conducted after the debate showing that Rubio didn't gain any ground at all. 
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Because he doesn't have much going for him. The 'not Trump or Cruz' label isn't that inspiring. 

How pissed is Kasich at this point?  Substantive, experienced, not a #### head, 4th in this race. 

 
Higgs said:
It looks like it didn't help.  On MTP this morning they announced poll results conducted after the debate showing that Rubio didn't gain any ground at all. 
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It's probably much too late. I think most people have already taken sides. How many people even watched the debate? How many of them even care what happens? Most of the Trump supporters I know aren't really open to voting for anyone else. 

 
Ilov80s said:
It's probably much too late. I think most people have already taken sides. How many people even watched the debate? How many of them even care what happens? Most of the Trump supporters I know aren't really open to voting for anyone else. 
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And most non-trump voters aren't open to voting for him which makes a disaster in the general. 

 
bolzano said:
Rubio's bill would have doomed the conservative movement. If you give citizenship to illegal immigrants, most of whom are poor, unskilled/ uneducated, etc., then you are effectively registering millions of new Democratic voters. What happens to the GOP after Texas, Arizona, etc., all turn blue?
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Are you under the impression that the conservative movement consists of the well-to-do, skilled/educated? 

 
2 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

IIRC Farrakhan endorsed Obama in 08, Chavez endorsed him 2012. and I think Castro has endorsed Sanders, but it's not like NOI or communists were/are out there working for their campaigns or they were retweeting their followers' messages.

Here's Trump:

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Surely this will be what finally dooms him.  Nobody's going to vote for a guy who won't condemn the KK... :lmao:   I'm sorry.  I couldn't type that with a straight face.  Won't cost him a vote.  

 
mr roboto said:
Because he doesn't have much going for him. The 'not Trump or Cruz' label isn't that inspiring. 

How pissed is Kasich at this point?  Substantive, experienced, not a #### head, 4th in this race. 
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Same could be said about Bush (except for the "4th" part).

 
Higgs said:
Oof.  That is terrible.  Really disppointed in the way he handled that.  :thumbdown:
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He sounds ignorant

as an aside, when did any Democrats ever disavow Robert Byrd?  It seems being a KKK guy should immediately disqualify soembody, but not a peep about that guy....

 
mr roboto said:
Because he doesn't have much going for him. The 'not Trump or Cruz' label isn't that inspiring. 

How pissed is Kasich at this point?  Substantive, experienced, not a #### head, 4th in this race. 
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Not to mention the media continuing to count him out when so few delegates have been distributed.

there is a rumor that the GOP might enter Romney in some primaries to stop Trump.

Trump has turned what a very winnable election into a probable landslide loss, if he stays in.

what a disaster 

GOP = the dumbest party ever

 
3 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

IIRC Farrakhan endorsed Obama in 08, Chavez endorsed him 2012. and I think Castro has endorsed Sanders, but it's not like NOI or communists were/are out there working for their campaigns or they were retweeting their followers' messages.

Here's Trump:

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Jesus. So bad. He'll somehow gain 2 points in the polls...

On a side note he looks more rough every passing week. There is no way this dude would last 4 years in the White House.

 
I don't' get it - is Trump supposed to be Goldwater? Or is this a comment on the party "uniting" behind Rubio and the fear that something odd will happen at the convention to give him the nomination?

 
Interesting segment on MTP today. Basically two outcomes of Super Tuesday. One, Trump comes out the clear winner and is on path for the nomination and delegate victory before the convention. Two, either Cruz or Rubio do well enough to continue but not win the delegate math outright, meaning a brokered convention. Cruz winning Texas actually hurts Rubio more than Trump winning Texas.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Trump. The whole KKK and other groups getting behind the candidate etc. 
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OK I thought everyone was getting behind Rubio. Marco keeps saying he's going to unite the party  - I'm not saying he's courting the KKK but I haven't heard him come straight out and disavow them like Trump has. His silence on the KKK just seems to say so much to me. I'm sure The General feels the same way.

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
OK I thought everyone was getting behind Rubio. Marco keeps saying he's going to unite the party  - I'm not saying he's courting the KKK but I haven't heard him come straight out and disavow them like Trump has. His silence on the KKK just seems to say so much to me. I'm sure The General feels the same way.
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I haven't heard any prominent Klan members are declaring their support for Rubio. With him being Hispanic, I am not expecting them to come any time soon. 

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
OK I thought everyone was getting behind Rubio. Marco keeps saying he's going to unite the party  - I'm not saying he's courting the KKK but I haven't heard him come straight out and disavow them like Trump has. His silence on the KKK just seems to say so much to me. I'm sure The General feels the same way.
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Rubio: "We cannot be a party that nominates someone who refuses to condemn white supremacists and the Ku Klux Klan."

That not good enough for ya?

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
OK I thought everyone was getting behind Rubio. Marco keeps saying he's going to unite the party  - I'm not saying he's courting the KKK but I haven't heard him come straight out and disavow them like Trump has. His silence on the KKK just seems to say so much to me. I'm sure The General feels the same way.
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If he were asked I'm sure he would do better than "I don't know who this group is".

This was like when Palin was asked what newspapers she liked to read. 

 
Mr.Pack said:
I can't believe this guy isn't getting more traction
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It seems like he was never given a chance by media or almost anyone really. All the people I talk to that follow really like him and even my wife who is a hardcore Dem said she mostly likes Kasich. However, he can't get anything going in the polls and just gets lost in the Trump circus. 

 
Mr.Pack said:
I can't believe this guy isn't getting more traction
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Not impossible. I could easily see s scenario in which on March 15 Rubio loses Florida and Kasich wins Ohio. Rubio drops out and Kasich becomes the establishment darling. At that point the momentum could turn. It's unlikely but possible. 

 
Next GOP debate is on Fox and Megyn Kelly is moderating. Trump going to:

A) boycott

B) show up but make an ### of himself (more than usual, as in harassing Kelly)

c) show up and not make a big deal out of Kelly being "mean" or whatever

 
3C's said:
Next GOP debate is on Fox and Megyn Kelly is moderating. Trump going to:

A) boycott

B) show up but make an ### of himself (more than usual, as in harassing Kelly)

c) show up and not make a big deal out of Kelly being "mean" or whatever
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C. His schtick is running thin at this point. 

 
Cruz was pretty amazing on the circuit this morning.

With Chris Wallace on CNN: "When the other candidates attack me personally, I do not respond in kind."

40 minutes later on Meet the Press: "There may be a bombshell in those tax records that Donald is refusing to disclose.  It's possible that they may show that he has mob ties!"

SEN. TED CRUZ:

You know, he praises Planned Parenthood in the debates over and over again. Maybe he’s been a big financial supporter of that. All of those questions Donald can put to rest. Or you know, maybe it is the case that Donald, there have been multiple media reports about Donald’s business dealings with the mob, with the mafia. Maybe his taxes show those business dealings are a lot more extensive than has been reported. Regardless of what the bombshell is–

CHUCK TODD:

Well, let me stop you. Wait a minute. Senator Cruz, let me stop you there. That’s openly speculative. Do you have any facts to support that Donald Trump has mob ties?

SEN. TED CRUZ:

Oh sure. ABC, CNN, multiple news reports have reported about his some dealings with, for example, S&A Construction, which was owned by “Fat Tony” Salerno, who is a mobster who is in jail. It is owned by two of the major New York crime families. And that has been reported in multiple media outlets. You know, you’re going to have Donald on the show later today, you ought to ask him, “Donald, have you written a check to Planned Parenthood? If so, how much and when?”
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