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Maybe I'm mixing up my world history but the fantasy of the 6 day creation was for the most part a Muslim story that was re-packaged in the 1500s and re-written to fit mostly the worldview at that time. So there's some irony here with Carson pushing this.

 
Maybe I'm mixing up my world history but the fantasy of the 6 day creation was for the most part a Muslim story that was re-packaged in the 1500s and re-written to fit mostly the worldview at that time. So there's some irony here with Carson pushing this.
I do like the fact they saw the need to have NFL Sundays as a day off.

 
Maybe I'm mixing up my world history but the fantasy of the 6 day creation was for the most part a Muslim story that was re-packaged in the 1500s and re-written to fit mostly the worldview at that time. So there's some irony here with Carson pushing this.
Islam was born out of the Abrahamic faiths (namely Christianity, which was born out of Judaism). They're all pretty tightly linked if you study them.

That doesn't mean you're wrong, but I nave never heard that theory.

 
Maybe I'm mixing up my world history but the fantasy of the 6 day creation was for the most part a Muslim story that was re-packaged in the 1500s and re-written to fit mostly the worldview at that time. So there's some irony here with Carson pushing this.
Islam was born out of the Abrahamic faiths (namely Christianity, which was born out of Judaism). They're all pretty tightly linked if you study them. That doesn't mean you're wrong, but I nave never heard that theory.
Well in the sense that creationism was mostly a Muslim concept until the last 500 years or so. It wasn't taught in other circles.

 
I hate to come to Ben Carson's defense here, but Carson stated in his "Celebration of Creation" lecture in 2011 that, "I am not a hard-and-fast person who says the Earth is only 6,000 years old...I do believe in the six-day creation." Carson then explained:

"It says in the beginning God created the heaven and Earth. It doesn't say when he created them, except for in the beginning. So the Earth could have been here for a long time before he started creating things on it. But when he did start doing that, he made it very specifically clear to us the evening and the morning were the next day because he knew that people would come along and try to say that, "Oh, it was millions and millions of years." And then what else did he say in the very first chapter? That each thing brought forth after its own kind. Because he knew that people would come along and say, you know, this changed into that and this changed into that and this changed into that. So at the very beginning of the Bible, he puts that to rest."

So, while Carson doesn't appear to be a new Earth creationist it that the Earth itself is only 6,000 years old because he doesn't believe that the word of the Bible compels it, he does believe that the word of the Bible trumps modern science's understanding of evolution and how long humans and other species have inhabited our planet. Carson's comments clearly indicate that, when the Bible and science conflict, he will always choose the Bible to govern his understanding of the world. I personally think that displays a frightening lack of critical thinking skills, especially for a person whose professional background is grounded in the sciences.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/ben-carson-creationism-six-days
So he believes the earth was flooded by god and Noah is a literal story. He believe everything on earth was created in 6 days. He believes evolution is a lie. Got it.
Yeah, it's essentially the exact same thing as Young Earth creationism, except for he thinks the Earth may have sat around as an uninhabited rock for some indetemined amount of time before God created life as it exists now over the span of a week. It's basically a desperate attempt to sound slightly less crazy than other Young Earth creationists.

 
That's cool.
It is possible that we will find some sort of life on Mars. What does that do to your beliefs about Creation? Always wondered about that but never believed life on Mars was possible...new discoveries of running water alters that belief. Where would life on Mars fit with the Creation narrative?

 
That's cool.
It is possible that we will find some sort of life on Mars. What does that do to your beliefs about Creation? Always wondered about that but never believed life on Mars was possible...new discoveries of running water alters that belief. Where would life on Mars fit with the Creation narrative?
All this time we thought God rested on the seventh day, but it turned out he was just dicking around creating some microbes on Mars.

 
I hate to come to Ben Carson's defense here, but Carson stated in his "Celebration of Creation" lecture in 2011 that, "I am not a hard-and-fast person who says the Earth is only 6,000 years old...I do believe in the six-day creation." Carson then explained:

"It says in the beginning God created the heaven and Earth. It doesn't say when he created them, except for in the beginning. So the Earth could have been here for a long time before he started creating things on it. But when he did start doing that, he made it very specifically clear to us the evening and the morning were the next day because he knew that people would come along and try to say that, "Oh, it was millions and millions of years." And then what else did he say in the very first chapter? That each thing brought forth after its own kind. Because he knew that people would come along and say, you know, this changed into that and this changed into that and this changed into that. So at the very beginning of the Bible, he puts that to rest."

So, while Carson doesn't appear to be a new Earth creationist it that the Earth itself is only 6,000 years old because he doesn't believe that the word of the Bible compels it, he does believe that the word of the Bible trumps modern science's understanding of evolution and how long humans and other species have inhabited our planet. Carson's comments clearly indicate that, when the Bible and science conflict, he will always choose the Bible to govern his understanding of the world. I personally think that displays a frightening lack of critical thinking skills, especially for a person whose professional background is grounded in the sciences.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/ben-carson-creationism-six-days
So he believes the earth was flooded by god and Noah is a literal story. He believe everything on earth was created in 6 days. He believes evolution is a lie. Got it.
Yeah, it's essentially the exact same thing as Young Earth creationism, except for he thinks the Earth may have sat around as an uninhabited rock for some indetemined amount of time before God created life as it exists now over the span of a week. It's basically a desperate attempt to sound slightly less crazy than other Young Earth creationists.
If the six-day creation story is true, I don't see how there could be an uninhabited rock for more than a few days. God created the heavens and the earth on Day 1, dry land on Day 3, and inhabitants on Days 5 and 6.

 
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I hate to come to Ben Carson's defense here, but Carson stated in his "Celebration of Creation" lecture in 2011 that, "I am not a hard-and-fast person who says the Earth is only 6,000 years old...I do believe in the six-day creation." Carson then explained:

"It says in the beginning God created the heaven and Earth. It doesn't say when he created them, except for in the beginning. So the Earth could have been here for a long time before he started creating things on it. But when he did start doing that, he made it very specifically clear to us the evening and the morning were the next day because he knew that people would come along and try to say that, "Oh, it was millions and millions of years." And then what else did he say in the very first chapter? That each thing brought forth after its own kind. Because he knew that people would come along and say, you know, this changed into that and this changed into that and this changed into that. So at the very beginning of the Bible, he puts that to rest."

So, while Carson doesn't appear to be a new Earth creationist it that the Earth itself is only 6,000 years old because he doesn't believe that the word of the Bible compels it, he does believe that the word of the Bible trumps modern science's understanding of evolution and how long humans and other species have inhabited our planet. Carson's comments clearly indicate that, when the Bible and science conflict, he will always choose the Bible to govern his understanding of the world. I personally think that displays a frightening lack of critical thinking skills, especially for a person whose professional background is grounded in the sciences.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/ben-carson-creationism-six-days
So he believes the earth was flooded by god and Noah is a literal story. He believe everything on earth was created in 6 days. He believes evolution is a lie. Got it.
Yeah, it's essentially the exact same thing as Young Earth creationism, except for he thinks the Earth may have sat around as an uninhabited rock for some indetemined amount of time before God created life as it exists now over the span of a week. It's basically a desperate attempt to sound slightly less crazy than other Young Earth creationists.
If the six-day creation story is true, I don't see how there could be an uninhabited rock for more than a few days. God created the heavens and the earth on Day 1, dry land on Day 3, and inhabitants on Days 5 and 6.
In the beginning, God created heavens and earth. Then on Day 1 he created day and night. Day 2 was the ocean and the sky. Day 3 was land and veggies. And so on.

 
I hate to come to Ben Carson's defense here, but Carson stated in his "Celebration of Creation" lecture in 2011 that, "I am not a hard-and-fast person who says the Earth is only 6,000 years old...I do believe in the six-day creation." Carson then explained:

"It says in the beginning God created the heaven and Earth. It doesn't say when he created them, except for in the beginning. So the Earth could have been here for a long time before he started creating things on it. But when he did start doing that, he made it very specifically clear to us the evening and the morning were the next day because he knew that people would come along and try to say that, "Oh, it was millions and millions of years." And then what else did he say in the very first chapter? That each thing brought forth after its own kind. Because he knew that people would come along and say, you know, this changed into that and this changed into that and this changed into that. So at the very beginning of the Bible, he puts that to rest."

So, while Carson doesn't appear to be a new Earth creationist it that the Earth itself is only 6,000 years old because he doesn't believe that the word of the Bible compels it, he does believe that the word of the Bible trumps modern science's understanding of evolution and how long humans and other species have inhabited our planet. Carson's comments clearly indicate that, when the Bible and science conflict, he will always choose the Bible to govern his understanding of the world. I personally think that displays a frightening lack of critical thinking skills, especially for a person whose professional background is grounded in the sciences.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/ben-carson-creationism-six-days
So he believes the earth was flooded by god and Noah is a literal story. He believe everything on earth was created in 6 days. He believes evolution is a lie. Got it.
Yeah, it's essentially the exact same thing as Young Earth creationism, except for he thinks the Earth may have sat around as an uninhabited rock for some indetemined amount of time before God created life as it exists now over the span of a week. It's basically a desperate attempt to sound slightly less crazy than other Young Earth creationists.
If the six-day creation story is true, I don't see how there could be an uninhabited rock for more than a few days. God created the heavens and the earth on Day 1, dry land on Day 3, and inhabitants on Days 5 and 6.
In the beginning, God created heavens and earth. Then on Day 1 he created day and night. Day 2 was the ocean and the sky. Day 3 was land and veggies. And so on.
And the life on Mars?

 
I hate to come to Ben Carson's defense here, but Carson stated in his "Celebration of Creation" lecture in 2011 that, "I am not a hard-and-fast person who says the Earth is only 6,000 years old...I do believe in the six-day creation." Carson then explained:

"It says in the beginning God created the heaven and Earth. It doesn't say when he created them, except for in the beginning. So the Earth could have been here for a long time before he started creating things on it. But when he did start doing that, he made it very specifically clear to us the evening and the morning were the next day because he knew that people would come along and try to say that, "Oh, it was millions and millions of years." And then what else did he say in the very first chapter? That each thing brought forth after its own kind. Because he knew that people would come along and say, you know, this changed into that and this changed into that and this changed into that. So at the very beginning of the Bible, he puts that to rest."

So, while Carson doesn't appear to be a new Earth creationist it that the Earth itself is only 6,000 years old because he doesn't believe that the word of the Bible compels it, he does believe that the word of the Bible trumps modern science's understanding of evolution and how long humans and other species have inhabited our planet. Carson's comments clearly indicate that, when the Bible and science conflict, he will always choose the Bible to govern his understanding of the world. I personally think that displays a frightening lack of critical thinking skills, especially for a person whose professional background is grounded in the sciences.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/ben-carson-creationism-six-days
So he believes the earth was flooded by god and Noah is a literal story. He believe everything on earth was created in 6 days. He believes evolution is a lie. Got it.
Yeah, it's essentially the exact same thing as Young Earth creationism, except for he thinks the Earth may have sat around as an uninhabited rock for some indetemined amount of time before God created life as it exists now over the span of a week. It's basically a desperate attempt to sound slightly less crazy than other Young Earth creationists.
If the six-day creation story is true, I don't see how there could be an uninhabited rock for more than a few days. God created the heavens and the earth on Day 1, dry land on Day 3, and inhabitants on Days 5 and 6.
In the beginning, God created heavens and earth. Then on Day 1 he created day and night. Day 2 was the ocean and the sky. Day 3 was land and veggies. And so on.
And the life on Mars?
day 5,037,000,000,000

 
Matthew Chapman ‏@fawfulfan

Congrats to @JebBush for being the only Republican to openly, honestly articulate his party's attitude towards mass shootings. #StuffHappens
Invincible Trump pretty much said the same earlier in the day.
Yes, but he wasn't as articulate as Jeb, which is why #StuffHappens has been the top trending topic on Twitter the last two hours. https://twitter.com/hashtag/stuffhappens?src=tren

 
Obviously not a God believer. Believe what you want. It's your life & great times.
Can you answer the Mars question? I'm curious what creationists think about this.
No. Is their life on Mars?
Sailors fighting in the dancehall, oh man, look at those cavemen go...
The lawman beating up the wrong guy seems to be a GOP sticking point these days.

 
Obviously not a God believer. Believe what you want. It's your life & great times.
Can you answer the Mars question? I'm curious what creationists think about this.
No. Is their life on Mars?
Sailors fighting in the dancehall, oh man, look at those cavemen go...
The lawman beating up the wrong guy seems to be a GOP sticking point these days.
lol That's for sure.
 
Obviously not a God believer. Believe what you want. It's your life & great times.
Can you answer the Mars question? I'm curious what creationists think about this.
No. Is their life on Mars?
yes
Martians
Suddenly that wall seems so insufficient. Time to scrap building a wall and start building the dome!
 
Obviously not a God believer. Believe what you want. It's your life & great times.
Can you answer the Mars question? I'm curious what creationists think about this.
No. Is their life on Mars?
yes
Martians
Suddenly that wall seems so insufficient. Time to scrap building a wall and start building the dome!
Why? The wall can help keep the illegal martians out that are sure to come here

 
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Obviously not a God believer. Believe what you want. It's your life & great times.
Can you answer the Mars question? I'm curious what creationists think about this.
No. Is their life on Mars?
yes
Martians
Suddenly that wall seems so insufficient. Time to scrap building a wall and start building the dome!
Why? The wall can help keep out the illegal martians out that are sure to come here
I concede that the wall will be just as effective for illegal martians as it will be for the rest of the illegals that fly into the country.
 
Alabama to stop issuing driver’s licenses in counties with 75% black registered votersThe state of Alabama, which requires a photo ID to vote, announced this week that it would stop issuing driver’s licenses in counties where 75 percent of registered voters are black.

Due to budget cuts, Alabama Law Enforcement Agency said that 31 satellite DMV offices would no longer have access to driver’s licenses examiners, meaning that residents will need to travel to other counties to apply for licenses. The move comes just one year after the state’s voter photo ID law went into effect.

AL.com’s John Archibald asserted in a column on Wednesday that the U.S. Department of Justice should open an investigation into the closings.

“Because Alabama just took a giant step backward,” he wrote. “Take a look at the 10 Alabama counties with the highest percentage of non-white registered voters. That’s Macon, Greene, Sumter, Lowndes, Bullock, Perry, Wilcox, Dallas, Hale, and Montgomery, according to the Alabama Secretary of State’s office. Alabama, thanks to its budgetary insanity and inanity, just opted to close driver license bureaus in eight of them.”

“Every single county in which blacks make up more than 75 percent of registered voters will see their driver license office closed. Every one,” Archibald explained. “But maybe it’s not racial at all, right? Maybe it’s just political. And let’s face it, it may not be either… But no matter the intent, the consequence is the same.”
Now that is how the GOP wins elections. :thumbup:

 
Alabama to stop issuing driver’s licenses in counties with 75% black registered votersThe state of Alabama, which requires a photo ID to vote, announced this week that it would stop issuing driver’s licenses in counties where 75 percent of registered voters are black.

Due to budget cuts, Alabama Law Enforcement Agency said that 31 satellite DMV offices would no longer have access to driver’s licenses examiners, meaning that residents will need to travel to other counties to apply for licenses. The move comes just one year after the state’s voter photo ID law went into effect.

AL.com’s John Archibald asserted in a column on Wednesday that the U.S. Department of Justice should open an investigation into the closings.

“Because Alabama just took a giant step backward,” he wrote. “Take a look at the 10 Alabama counties with the highest percentage of non-white registered voters. That’s Macon, Greene, Sumter, Lowndes, Bullock, Perry, Wilcox, Dallas, Hale, and Montgomery, according to the Alabama Secretary of State’s office. Alabama, thanks to its budgetary insanity and inanity, just opted to close driver license bureaus in eight of them.”

“Every single county in which blacks make up more than 75 percent of registered voters will see their driver license office closed. Every one,” Archibald explained. “But maybe it’s not racial at all, right? Maybe it’s just political. And let’s face it, it may not be either… But no matter the intent, the consequence is the same.”
Now that is how the GOP wins elections. :thumbup:
How did they win elections prior to this in Alabama? Looks like the governor and the legislature is a controlled by the GOP. If they're closing the offices now how does your statement explain those prior elections?

Wait...maybe you were just being a bit of a drama queen?

 
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Alabama to stop issuing driver’s licenses in counties with 75% black registered votersThe state of Alabama, which requires a photo ID to vote, announced this week that it would stop issuing driver’s licenses in counties where 75 percent of registered voters are black.

Due to budget cuts, Alabama Law Enforcement Agency said that 31 satellite DMV offices would no longer have access to driver’s licenses examiners, meaning that residents will need to travel to other counties to apply for licenses. The move comes just one year after the state’s voter photo ID law went into effect.

AL.com’s John Archibald asserted in a column on Wednesday that the U.S. Department of Justice should open an investigation into the closings.

“Because Alabama just took a giant step backward,” he wrote. “Take a look at the 10 Alabama counties with the highest percentage of non-white registered voters. That’s Macon, Greene, Sumter, Lowndes, Bullock, Perry, Wilcox, Dallas, Hale, and Montgomery, according to the Alabama Secretary of State’s office. Alabama, thanks to its budgetary insanity and inanity, just opted to close driver license bureaus in eight of them.”

“Every single county in which blacks make up more than 75 percent of registered voters will see their driver license office closed. Every one,” Archibald explained. “But maybe it’s not racial at all, right? Maybe it’s just political. And let’s face it, it may not be either… But no matter the intent, the consequence is the same.”
Now that is how the GOP wins elections. :thumbup:
How did they win elections prior to this in Alabama? Looks like the governor and the legislature is a controlled by the GOP. If they're closing the offices now how does your statement explain those prior elections?

Wait...maybe you were just being a bit of a drama queen?
Hmm, maybe he's not talking about just Alabama? Maybe it's a reflection on the GOP as a whole?

 
Alabama to stop issuing driver’s licenses in counties with 75% black registered votersThe state of Alabama, which requires a photo ID to vote, announced this week that it would stop issuing driver’s licenses in counties where 75 percent of registered voters are black.

Due to budget cuts, Alabama Law Enforcement Agency said that 31 satellite DMV offices would no longer have access to driver’s licenses examiners, meaning that residents will need to travel to other counties to apply for licenses. The move comes just one year after the state’s voter photo ID law went into effect.

AL.com’s John Archibald asserted in a column on Wednesday that the U.S. Department of Justice should open an investigation into the closings.

“Because Alabama just took a giant step backward,” he wrote. “Take a look at the 10 Alabama counties with the highest percentage of non-white registered voters. That’s Macon, Greene, Sumter, Lowndes, Bullock, Perry, Wilcox, Dallas, Hale, and Montgomery, according to the Alabama Secretary of State’s office. Alabama, thanks to its budgetary insanity and inanity, just opted to close driver license bureaus in eight of them.”

“Every single county in which blacks make up more than 75 percent of registered voters will see their driver license office closed. Every one,” Archibald explained. “But maybe it’s not racial at all, right? Maybe it’s just political. And let’s face it, it may not be either… But no matter the intent, the consequence is the same.”
Now that is how the GOP wins elections. :thumbup:
How did they win elections prior to this in Alabama? Looks like the governor and the legislature is a controlled by the GOP. If they're closing the offices now how does your statement explain those prior elections?

Wait...maybe you were just being a bit of a drama queen?
Hmm, maybe he's not talking about just Alabama? Maybe it's a reflection on the GOP as a whole?
No, not really. It's really a reflection of being demonized if you don't vote Democrat.

 
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Alabama to stop issuing drivers licenses in counties with 75% black registered voters

The state of Alabama, which requires a photo ID to vote, announced this week that it would stop issuing drivers licenses in counties where 75 percent of registered voters are black.

Due to budget cuts, Alabama Law Enforcement Agency said that 31 satellite DMV offices would no longer have access to drivers licenses examiners, meaning that residents will need to travel to other counties to apply for licenses. The move comes just one year after the states voter photo ID law went into effect.

AL.coms John Archibald asserted in a column on Wednesday that the U.S. Department of Justice should open an investigation into the closings.

Because Alabama just took a giant step backward, he wrote. Take a look at the 10 Alabama counties with the highest percentage of non-white registered voters. Thats Macon, Greene, Sumter, Lowndes, Bullock, Perry, Wilcox, Dallas, Hale, and Montgomery, according to the Alabama Secretary of States office. Alabama, thanks to its budgetary insanity and inanity, just opted to close driver license bureaus in eight of them.

Every single county in which blacks make up more than 75 percent of registered voters will see their driver license office closed. Every one, Archibald explained. But maybe its not racial at all, right? Maybe its just political. And lets face it, it may not be either But no matter the intent, the consequence is the same.
Now that is how the GOP wins elections. :thumbup:
How did they win elections prior to this in Alabama? Looks like the governor and the legislature is a controlled by the GOP. If they're closing the offices now how does your statement explain those prior elections?

Wait...maybe you were just being a bit of a drama queen?
Conceivably it could be an attempt to obtain an advantage in local rather than statewide elections. Not saying that was the motivation, but it's one possible explanation.

 

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