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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)

This seems like the worst bunch of candidates from both parties in my lifetime.

I can't see being pleased at any result. I think many people will feel the same and we will have very low turnout.

 
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Could a democrat say "We'll make America great again."
Probably not. The notion that America was once great but has been getting worse is a pretty fundamentally conservative idea. Liberals generally believe that America was worse in the past, and has been getting better.

 
Could a democrat say "We'll make America great again."
Probably not. The notion that America was once great but has been getting worse is a pretty fundamentally conservative idea. Liberals generally believe that America was worse in the past, and has been getting better.
We've had those debates here in the past and opposing sides seem to align pretty much like this. Isn't that a curious thing?

 
Trump jumps to 17% in latest poll. He is now the frontrunner.
apparently he tweeted a picture with an image of a nazi soldier on it
Yep. Oops.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/donald-trump-campaign-ad-nazi-soldiers

-QG
I am trying to figure out if this worse than having a huge backdrop of Russian ships during a tribute to vets at the Democratic Convention, not sure.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/dnc-apologizes-for-showing-russian-warships-in-tribute-to-us-veterans/

Same? Worse?

 
the only republican I'll vote for in 2016 is Walker. All the rest of them can suck a ####. the current Republican "wave" is the biggest loserfest in the history of the world, i wouldn't mind if they all slid under a gas truck and died.

 
The GOP should run on single-payer health insurance. Trump for it in the past.

The democrats will never get that through anytime soon. Decades.

GOP should relent on that issue but get the executive branch and perhaps both houses. Do what they may.

Basically vote Republican and get single-payer or vote Dem and nothing happens.

Conservatives are not going to the other side. You won't lose them. Think enough of a % of liberals would take that deal.

 
The GOP should run on single-payer health insurance. Trump for it in the past.

The democrats will never get that through anytime soon. Decades.

GOP should relent on that issue but get the executive branch and perhaps both houses. Do what they may.

Basically vote Republican and get single-payer or vote Dem and nothing happens.

Conservatives are not going to the other side. You won't lose them. Think enough of a % of liberals would take that deal.
The practical result of this would be a definite 3rd party run by a winger of some sort.

-QG

 
Trump jumps to 17% in latest poll. He is now the frontrunner.
apparently he tweeted a picture with an image of a nazi soldier on it
Yep. Oops.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/donald-trump-campaign-ad-nazi-soldiers

-QG
I am trying to figure out if this worse than having a huge backdrop of Russian ships during a tribute to vets at the Democratic Convention, not sure.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/dnc-apologizes-for-showing-russian-warships-in-tribute-to-us-veterans/

Same? Worse?
I'm a fan of proofreading/picture source checking in all instances. Never a good mistake to make.

The astroturf/photoshop cases are much more egregious in my opinion.

-QG

 
Trump jumps to 17% in latest poll. He is now the frontrunner.
apparently he tweeted a picture with an image of a nazi soldier on it
Yep. Oops.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/donald-trump-campaign-ad-nazi-soldiers

-QG
I am trying to figure out if this worse than having a huge backdrop of Russian ships during a tribute to vets at the Democratic Convention, not sure.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/dnc-apologizes-for-showing-russian-warships-in-tribute-to-us-veterans/

Same? Worse?
I'm a fan of proofreading/picture source checking in all instances. Never a good mistake to make.

The astroturf/photoshop cases are much more egregious in my opinion.

-QG
Well I agree with that. It's amazing what goes on. So the Trump mistake is worse? I dunno, seems even to me. One was the DNC on a major prime time stage with a huge live backdrop. OTOH the Trump campaign is a political campaign, it may have been some random "intern" as they claim but come on who professionally allows this kind of thing to happen anymore. Put real paid employees in charge of potentially sensitive twitter communications. This is probably just one indication that Trump isn't running a real campaign,m but something else. He's probably got corporate flunkies doing this stuff.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
QuizGuy66 said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
QuizGuy66 said:
joffer said:
timschochet said:
Trump jumps to 17% in latest poll. He is now the frontrunner.
apparently he tweeted a picture with an image of a nazi soldier on it
Yep. Oops.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/donald-trump-campaign-ad-nazi-soldiers

-QG
I am trying to figure out if this worse than having a huge backdrop of Russian ships during a tribute to vets at the Democratic Convention, not sure.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/dnc-apologizes-for-showing-russian-warships-in-tribute-to-us-veterans/

Same? Worse?
I'm a fan of proofreading/picture source checking in all instances. Never a good mistake to make.

The astroturf/photoshop cases are much more egregious in my opinion.

-QG
Well I agree with that. It's amazing what goes on. So the Trump mistake is worse? I dunno, seems even to me. One was the DNC on a major prime time stage with a huge live backdrop. OTOH the Trump campaign is a political campaign, it may have been some random "intern" as they claim but come on who professionally allows this kind of thing to happen anymore. Put real paid employees in charge of potentially sensitive twitter communications. This is probably just one indication that Trump isn't running a real campaign,m but something else. He's probably got corporate flunkies doing this stuff.
Both are embarrassing, but neither are material.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
QuizGuy66 said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
QuizGuy66 said:
joffer said:
timschochet said:
Trump jumps to 17% in latest poll. He is now the frontrunner.
apparently he tweeted a picture with an image of a nazi soldier on it
Yep. Oops.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/donald-trump-campaign-ad-nazi-soldiers

-QG
I am trying to figure out if this worse than having a huge backdrop of Russian ships during a tribute to vets at the Democratic Convention, not sure.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/dnc-apologizes-for-showing-russian-warships-in-tribute-to-us-veterans/

Same? Worse?
I'm a fan of proofreading/picture source checking in all instances. Never a good mistake to make.

The astroturf/photoshop cases are much more egregious in my opinion.

-QG
Well I agree with that. It's amazing what goes on. So the Trump mistake is worse? I dunno, seems even to me. One was the DNC on a major prime time stage with a huge live backdrop. OTOH the Trump campaign is a political campaign, it may have been some random "intern" as they claim but come on who professionally allows this kind of thing to happen anymore. Put real paid employees in charge of potentially sensitive twitter communications. This is probably just one indication that Trump isn't running a real campaign,m but something else. He's probably got corporate flunkies doing this stuff.
Thank you for stated what my answer was when I didn't. I said I don't like all such sloppy mistakes.

So I'll run with that - Trump's is worse... it's always worse ;)

The nuts and bolts side of the Trump campaign is going to be intriguing. We'll see if this kind of mistake is the norm or if they are able to tighten things up as they move along. Blustering candidate part he's got down pat - gonna be very tough to knock him off his game (seriously). But the ability to organize is part of this, especially in places like Iowa and New Hampshire - the degree that he's able to get seasoned ops into his organization running things day to day is an important factor.

-QG

 
Governor of Maryland endorsed Christie today FWIW. Haven't heard much in the way of prominent endorsements for any of these candidates - of course part of that is b/c all of the prominent would-be endorsers are running for president....or vice-president ;)

We're also pretty far from any actual voting so I'm sure it's more a case of endorsers keeping their "powder dry" and candidates trying to reserve any banked endorsements for a more opportune time. In Christie's case he's in genuine peril of missing out on the debates - he doesn't have the luxury of holding back this endorsement announcement.

-QG

 
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This ain't a good look either:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/looks-like-trumps-intern-made-another-ugly-twitter-mistake/

Still up on his feed at this moment. Original tweeter has had the sense to go protected.

-QG
Wow. What the hell is going on there?
I don't know if it is the case now - but historically he has run his own twitter account. Under the present circumstances it is quite possible that that has changed now. Though the fact that it is still up there (even with the response on twitter, much less the media story) makes me think that he really may still be running his own account (I would think a staffer would act faster).

-QG

 
BustedKnuckles said:
Trump is like someones deep dark addiction...cant get enough but also wont tell anyone about it for fear of ridicule
He's kind of the Skip Bayless of politicians. Nobody will admit to supporting him, but the numbers show a lot of interest.

(Also the amount of BS that comes out of their mouths)

 
Whens the last time the top polling candidate in one party was a major donor to the top polling candidate in the other party?
https://twitter.com/DanFosterType/status/621379793531973632
Nick Confessore ‏@nickconfessore ·

@DanFosterType Or the last time the leading Republican candidate was a Pelosi and Reid donor??
Does anyone know what else Trump advocates besides deporting all the mezcans?

A weird unintended consequence of the huge GOP field is someone could probably win some primaries and delegates with 25%.

I've thrown out there for discussion that if Bernie wins NH & IA and gets a major endorsement of some kind that that would be bad for Hillary in the nomination or more likely the general. Just speculation. However, it hasn't been mentioned much, but if Trump wins IA & NH (which seems more likely to me than Bernie going 2-0) and then gets a major endorsement, say a Cruz, then that would be an even bigger disaster for the GOP. I think this bewigged clown is potentially a legitimate iceberg.

 
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Saw on my Facebook feed that Trump wants to be a champion for Christians, which I have a problem with for several reasons. He's clearly pandering for votes, which is why he'll lose the nomination, but more importantly, Christians already have a champion for us. A guy named Yeshua, or more commonly known as Jesus. Most people have heard of Him, guy with a beard, rode a donkey at times, taught us to love God and our neighbors, that guy. He's also already the undisputed Champion of Everything in the History of Ever, so I highly doubt an angry rich guy with a terrible hairpiece can do better.

 
Saw on my Facebook feed that Trump wants to be a champion for Christians, which I have a problem with for several reasons. He's clearly pandering for votes, which is why he'll lose the nomination, but more importantly, Christians already have a champion for us. A guy named Yeshua, or more commonly known as Jesus. Most people have heard of Him, guy with a beard, rode a donkey at times, taught us to love God and our neighbors, that guy. He's also already the undisputed Champion of Everything in the History of Ever, so I highly doubt an angry rich guy with a terrible hairpiece can do better.
maybe for VP
 
Saw on my Facebook feed that Trump wants to be a champion for Christians, which I have a problem with for several reasons. He's clearly pandering for votes, which is why he'll lose the nomination, but more importantly, Christians already have a champion for us. A guy named Yeshua, or more commonly known as Jesus. Most people have heard of Him, guy with a beard, rode a donkey at times, taught us to love God and our neighbors, that guy. He's also already the undisputed Champion of Everything in the History of Ever, so I highly doubt an angry rich guy with a terrible hairpiece can do better.
maybe for VP
It doesn't matter, I doubt Trump will win the nomination, and even if he did, I wouldn't vote for him on a bet.

 
Saw on my Facebook feed that Trump wants to be a champion for Christians, which I have a problem with for several reasons. He's clearly pandering for votes, which is why he'll lose the nomination ...
He should lose the nomination for a lot of reasons but it's bad enough he's in the conversation. Is Hillary truly the best Democrat? Is Jeb truly the best Republican? How are we selecting our politicians these days?

I suspect Trump morally and ethically is unfit to be president, a guy like this should not even be at 1% in the race. He's bought and sold more tail than most living men, he's probably engaged in some really unseemly business practices, he's admitted to buying influence in politics, he used eminent domain to drive people off their property en masse, he's made some good part of his fortune on casinos which (no judging on people who go, as I have been myself) let's face it make their profits off vice and people going bankrupt. Where's the coverage on this guy and who he really is?

 
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Saw on my Facebook feed that Trump wants to be a champion for Christians, which I have a problem with for several reasons. He's clearly pandering for votes, which is why he'll lose the nomination, but more importantly, Christians already have a champion for us. A guy named Yeshua, or more commonly known as Jesus. Most people have heard of Him, guy with a beard, rode a donkey at times, taught us to love God and our neighbors, that guy. He's also already the undisputed Champion of Everything in the History of Ever, so I highly doubt an angry rich guy with a terrible hairpiece can do better.
Huckabee and Santorum too

 
Saw on my Facebook feed that Trump wants to be a champion for Christians, which I have a problem with for several reasons. He's clearly pandering for votes, which is why he'll lose the nomination ...
He should lose the nomination for a lot of reasons but it's bad enough he's in the conversation. Is Hillary truly the best Democrat? Is Jeb truly the best Republican? How are we selecting our politicians these days?

I suspect Trump morally and ethically is unfit to be president, a guy like this should not even be at 1% in the race. He's bought and sold more tail than most living men, he's probably engaged in some really unseemly business practices, he's admitted to buying influence in politics, he used eminent domain to drive people off their property en masse, he's made some good part of his fortune on casinos which (no judging on people who go, as I have been myself) let's face it make their profits off vice and people going bankrupt. Where's the coverage on this guy and who he really is?
If you want my opinion, if we're only allowing those who are morally and ethically fit to run for president, the field would pretty much disappear. Which wouldn't be a bad idea, now that I think about it.

 
Saw on my Facebook feed that Trump wants to be a champion for Christians, which I have a problem with for several reasons. He's clearly pandering for votes, which is why he'll lose the nomination ...
He should lose the nomination for a lot of reasons but it's bad enough he's in the conversation. Is Hillary truly the best Democrat? Is Jeb truly the best Republican? How are we selecting our politicians these days?

I suspect Trump morally and ethically is unfit to be president, a guy like this should not even be at 1% in the race. He's bought and sold more tail than most living men, he's probably engaged in some really unseemly business practices, he's admitted to buying influence in politics, he used eminent domain to drive people off their property en masse, he's made some good part of his fortune on casinos which (no judging on people who go, as I have been myself) let's face it make their profits off vice and people going bankrupt. Where's the coverage on this guy and who he really is?
If you want my opinion, if we're only allowing those who are morally and ethically fit to run for president, the field would pretty much disappear. Which wouldn't be a bad idea, now that I think about it.
Ha, ok, but I do think there are gradations of this. And I would at least appreciate the pretended deference of their showing that they care about what we think of them and that the media do some reporting so that we can make some informed calls when we go into the voting both.

Trump strikes me as the kind of guy who would act like a dictator to boot. I could be wrong, but I don't think people are taking him seriously enough.

 
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Saw on my Facebook feed that Trump wants to be a champion for Christians, which I have a problem with for several reasons. He's clearly pandering for votes, which is why he'll lose the nomination, but more importantly, Christians already have a champion for us. A guy named Yeshua, or more commonly known as Jesus. Most people have heard of Him, guy with a beard, rode a donkey at times, taught us to love God and our neighbors, that guy. He's also already the undisputed Champion of Everything in the History of Ever, so I highly doubt an angry rich guy with a terrible hairpiece can do better.
I have a feeling there will be very few guys named Jesus that will vote for Donald Trump.
 
Saw on my Facebook feed that Trump wants to be a champion for Christians, which I have a problem with for several reasons. He's clearly pandering for votes, which is why he'll lose the nomination ...
He should lose the nomination for a lot of reasons but it's bad enough he's in the conversation. Is Hillary truly the best Democrat? Is Jeb truly the best Republican? How are we selecting our politicians these days?

I suspect Trump morally and ethically is unfit to be president, a guy like this should not even be at 1% in the race. He's bought and sold more tail than most living men, he's probably engaged in some really unseemly business practices, he's admitted to buying influence in politics, he used eminent domain to drive people off their property en masse, he's made some good part of his fortune on casinos which (no judging on people who go, as I have been myself) let's face it make their profits off vice and people going bankrupt. Where's the coverage on this guy and who he really is?
If you want my opinion, if we're only allowing those who are morally and ethically fit to run for president, the field would pretty much disappear. Which wouldn't be a bad idea, now that I think about it.
Ha, ok, but I do think there are gradations of this. And I would at least appreciate the pretended deference of their showing that they care about what we think of them and that the media do some reporting so that we can make some informed calls when we go into the voting both.

Trump strikes me as the kind of guy who would act like a dictator to boot. I could be wrong, but I don't think people are taking him seriously enough.
Are you having Kingfish nightmares again?
 
Saw on my Facebook feed that Trump wants to be a champion for Christians, which I have a problem with for several reasons. He's clearly pandering for votes, which is why he'll lose the nomination, but more importantly, Christians already have a champion for us. A guy named Yeshua, or more commonly known as Jesus. Most people have heard of Him, guy with a beard, rode a donkey at times, taught us to love God and our neighbors, that guy. He's also already the undisputed Champion of Everything in the History of Ever, so I highly doubt an angry rich guy with a terrible hairpiece can do better.
I have a feeling there will be very few guys named Jesus that will vote for Donald Trump.
Sadly I'm outta likes on this one.

 
Saw on my Facebook feed that Trump wants to be a champion for Christians, which I have a problem with for several reasons. He's clearly pandering for votes, which is why he'll lose the nomination ...
He should lose the nomination for a lot of reasons but it's bad enough he's in the conversation. Is Hillary truly the best Democrat? Is Jeb truly the best Republican? How are we selecting our politicians these days?

I suspect Trump morally and ethically is unfit to be president, a guy like this should not even be at 1% in the race. He's bought and sold more tail than most living men, he's probably engaged in some really unseemly business practices, he's admitted to buying influence in politics, he used eminent domain to drive people off their property en masse, he's made some good part of his fortune on casinos which (no judging on people who go, as I have been myself) let's face it make their profits off vice and people going bankrupt. Where's the coverage on this guy and who he really is?
If you want my opinion, if we're only allowing those who are morally and ethically fit to run for president, the field would pretty much disappear. Which wouldn't be a bad idea, now that I think about it.
Ha, ok, but I do think there are gradations of this. And I would at least appreciate the pretended deference of their showing that they care about what we think of them and that the media do some reporting so that we can make some informed calls when we go into the voting both.

Trump strikes me as the kind of guy who would act like a dictator to boot. I could be wrong, but I don't think people are taking him seriously enough.
Are you having Kingfish nightmares again?
Ha, maybe. Let's just say we've already had the pox down here and I'm afraid the rest of the country doesn't have the same immunity. - But I will hand it to the Kingfish, he started out dirt poor. Trump was handed a pot of gold at birth.

 
Saw on my Facebook feed that Trump wants to be a champion for Christians, which I have a problem with for several reasons. He's clearly pandering for votes, which is why he'll lose the nomination, but more importantly, Christians already have a champion for us. A guy named Yeshua, or more commonly known as Jesus. Most people have heard of Him, guy with a beard, rode a donkey at times, taught us to love God and our neighbors, that guy. He's also already the undisputed Champion of Everything in the History of Ever, so I highly doubt an angry rich guy with a terrible hairpiece can do better.
I have a feeling there will be very few guys named Jesus that will vote for Donald Trump.
Sadly I'm outta likes on this one.
I gave him one of mine for you. It was a pretty decent line.

 
Saw on my Facebook feed that Trump wants to be a champion for Christians, which I have a problem with for several reasons. He's clearly pandering for votes, which is why he'll lose the nomination, but more importantly, Christians already have a champion for us. A guy named Yeshua, or more commonly known as Jesus. Most people have heard of Him, guy with a beard, rode a donkey at times, taught us to love God and our neighbors, that guy. He's also already the undisputed Champion of Everything in the History of Ever, so I highly doubt an angry rich guy with a terrible hairpiece can do better.
I have a feeling there will be very few guys named Jesus that will vote for Donald Trump.
Sadly I'm outta likes on this one.
I gave him one of mine for you. It was a pretty decent line.
Yeah, I had to give one up too. That was funny.

 
Interesting article here from 538:

Republicans Are Acting Like Democrats. Democrats Are Acting Like Republicans“You know the difference in Democrats and Republicans?” Bill Clinton said in a 2003 speech. “In every presidential election, Democrats want to fall in love. Republicans just fall in line.”

Clinton’s aphorism — which he attributed to a friend — has become a part of the conventional wisdom about how the parties behave. And there was more than a bit of truth to it when Clinton made his remarks. The previous three open Republican nominations — in 1988, 1996 and 2000 — had been won easily by establishment-backed candidates. Vice President George H.W. Bush won 41 of 50 states in the Republican primaries of 1988, Bob Dole won 44 in 1996, and George W. Bush won 43 in 2000. With the exception of Al Gore’s 50-state sweep in 2000, Democratic nominations during this period, including Clinton’s win in 1992, took longer to resolve, with several candidates competing for different factions of the Democratic Party before it settled on a nominee.

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Trump may be leading the pack for now, but there's simply no way he'll last to the end. If he actually manages to win Iowa and/or New Hampshire, the RNC will begin spending serious money against him.

Who was the frontrunner at this point in 2011? Carson, Santorum? There is absolutely no way Donald Trump wins the nomination.

 
Trump may be leading the pack for now, but there's simply no way he'll last to the end. If he actually manages to win Iowa and/or New Hampshire, the RNC will begin spending serious money against him.

Who was the frontrunner at this point in 2011? Carson, Santorum? There is absolutely no way Donald Trump wins the nomination.
I don't think Trump will win the nomination but your analysis is pretty awful. The RNC doesn't spend money to support or oppose candidates in the Republican primary.Romney polled best in almost all of the July 2011 polls, but Michelle Bachmann did lead in a couple.

 
The most interesting thing with Trump is that his Favorable/Unfavorable is no longer upside down amongst Republicans. (Mexicans not so much)

-QG

 
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Also Trump is doing surprisingly well with liberals, per the Suffolk poll [eta - PPP & Q'pac polls].

 
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About the only positive thing I can say about a Trump presidency is that, should it occur, that would mean he'd have beat Hillary and I couldn't think of a funnier, more appropriate way of putting the final nail in her political coffin. :lol:

 

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