Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (1 Viewer)

[sublimeone]

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/ben-carsons-scientific-ignorance?intcid=mod-latest

In attempting to refute the Big Bang, for example—which he characterized as a “ridiculous” idea—Carson said:

You have all these highfalutin scientists, and they’re saying that there was this gigantic explosion and everything came into perfect order. Now, these are the same scientists who go around touting the second law of thermodynamics, which is entropy, which says that things move toward a state of disorganization. So, now you’re going to have this big explosion, and everything becomes perfectly organized. When you ask them about it, they say, “Well we can explain this based on probability theory, because if there’s enough big explosions, over a long enough period of time, billions and billions of years, one of them will be the perfect explosion”…. What you’re telling me is, if I blow a hurricane through a junkyard enough times, over billions and billions of years, eventually, after one of those hurricanes, there will be a 747 fully loaded and ready to fly.

Ben Carson believes the big bang, without the guiding hand of God does not explain the existence of the universe. What's wrong with saying that?

There's nothing wrong with saying "The big bang theory, without the guiding hand of God, does not fully explain the existence of the universe."But that's not even close to what Carson said.

What do you think he's saying here? What about this excerpt do you specifically take issue with ? I've asked this now a few times and the only response I received is snark.

 

[joffer]

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/ben-carsons-scientific-ignorance?intcid=mod-latest

In attempting to refute the Big Bang, for example—which he characterized as a “ridiculous” idea—Carson said:

You have all these highfalutin scientists, and they’re saying that there was this gigantic explosion and everything came into perfect order. Now, these are the same scientists who go around touting the second law of thermodynamics, which is entropy, which says that things move toward a state of disorganization. So, now you’re going to have this big explosion, and everything becomes perfectly organized. When you ask them about it, they say, “Well we can explain this based on probability theory, because if there’s enough big explosions, over a long enough period of time, billions and billions of years, one of them will be the perfect explosion”…. What you’re telling me is, if I blow a hurricane through a junkyard enough times, over billions and billions of years, eventually, after one of those hurricanes, there will be a 747 fully loaded and ready to fly.

Ben Carson believes the big bang, without the guiding hand of God does not explain the existence of the universe. What's wrong with saying that?

There's nothing wrong with saying "The big bang theory, without the guiding hand of God, does not fully explain the existence of the universe."But that's not even close to what Carson said.

What do you think he's saying here? What about this excerpt do you specifically take issue with ? I've asked this now a few times and the only response I received is snark.

actually you've been told that the entire paragraph is bull#### twice. Maybe you'd like to point to part that you think is accurate.

 

[The Commish]

Carson is a nutcase. I believe the majority of people supporting him have no idea what beliefs he actually has. It boggles the mind that someone who could achieve so much in a field like neurosurgery could be so stupid.

It's not all that surprising. Neurosurgery is a made-up field that doesn't actually help anyone. I've never even been to med school, and I could perform brain surgery as well as "Doctor" Carson.

You understand that "neurosurgery" isn't just limited to brain surgery right? The NIH dumps millions into the field. You should probably get up with them and tell them it's a waste of time

So? The government wastes millions on studying duck penises and useless stuff like that all the time.

So, to be clear you are equating (or at least making them similar enough for your point) the study of duck penises to the study of the human nervous system. Good to know

 

[culdeus]

I love how for the GOP being against the Iraq/AStan wars was once a capital offense worthy of unending scorn, now is actually a header to a resume.

 

[17seconds]

The dude was against both Afghanastan & Iraq wars, but since he dismisses the Big Bang theory he's nuts. Wish I could be so crazy.

Carry on.

Half of the country was against those wars *and* they know the age of the earth.

 

[shadrap]

His crazy assertions, as many are submitted, are his opinion. He is not forcing anything down your throats Most of the scientific facts people spout on here have been refuted, are unsettled or contradicted, from both sides! Apparently Carson's opinions on some social issues make him crazy or a loon. The dude was against both Afghanastan & Iraq wars, but since he dismisses the Big Bang theory he's nuts. Wish I could be so crazy.

Carry on.

He doesn't simply "dispute" the Big Bang Theory. He shows such a willful ignorance of basic scientific principles, even principles that are widely accepted by most creationists. He is certainly entitled to his opinion on such matters, but the voters should be allowed to have access to that information so they can make an educated choice when they vote.

In your opinion & in some of other people's opinion. Not everyone, probably not even close. I do agree though voters should be aware of such things & vote accordingly. Apparently you won't vote for someone who doesn't agree with your opinion on the matter and the matter discussed is settled in your mind. Good for you.

 

[sublimeone]

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/ben-carsons-scientific-ignorance?intcid=mod-latest

In attempting to refute the Big Bang, for example—which he characterized as a “ridiculous” idea—Carson said:

You have all these highfalutin scientists, and they’re saying that there was this gigantic explosion and everything came into perfect order. Now, these are the same scientists who go around touting the second law of thermodynamics, which is entropy, which says that things move toward a state of disorganization. So, now you’re going to have this big explosion, and everything becomes perfectly organized. When you ask them about it, they say, “Well we can explain this based on probability theory, because if there’s enough big explosions, over a long enough period of time, billions and billions of years, one of them will be the perfect explosion”…. What you’re telling me is, if I blow a hurricane through a junkyard enough times, over billions and billions of years, eventually, after one of those hurricanes, there will be a 747 fully loaded and ready to fly.

Ben Carson believes the big bang, without the guiding hand of God does not explain the existence of the universe. What's wrong with saying that?

There's nothing wrong with saying "The big bang theory, without the guiding hand of God, does not fully explain the existence of the universe."But that's not even close to what Carson said.

What do you think he's saying here? What about this excerpt do you specifically take issue with ? I've asked this now a few times and the only response I received is snark.

actually you've been told that the entire paragraph is bull#### twice. Maybe you'd like to point to part that you think is accurate.

You guys used quite a few posts hyperventilating about how ignorant his comments are... yet none of you are willing to state exactly what is so ignorant. Enlighten us.

 

[CBusAlex]

What about this excerpt do you specifically take issue with ? I've asked this now a few times and the only response I received is snark.

theyre saying that there was this gigantic explosion

Ok. So far so good. "This gigantic explosion" seems like a reasonable enough way for a layperson to describe the big bang.

and everything came into perfect order. Now, these are the same scientists who go around touting the second law of thermodynamics, which is entropy, which says that things move toward a state of disorganization. So, now youre going to have this big explosion, and everything becomes perfectly organized.

Well, there are a couple problems here. If he's referring to entropy when he says "perfect order" and "perfectly organized", then both statements are wrong. The universe is not currently at minimum entropy, and nothing in the big bang theory suggests that the big bang itself or anything following it caused entropy to decrease. It seems like he's confusing entropy, which is an actual quantifiable definition of order, with "would a human look at this and think it looks organized", which is not.

When you ask them about it, they say, Well we can explain this based on probability theory, because if theres enough big explosions, over a long enough period of time, billions and billions of years, one of them will be the perfect explosion. What youre telling me is, if I blow a hurricane through a junkyard enough times, over billions and billions of years, eventually, after one of those hurricanes, there will be a 747 fully loaded and ready to fly.

Okay, so here we have an argument that's usually made against evolution, but framed in terms of "explosions" for some reason. It's hard to say if he's still discussing the big bang here, or evolution, or if he just doesn't know the difference. If he's talking about big bang theory, he's very very wrong - this universe started with a single big bang, not many of them over the course of billions of years. If he's talking about evolution, he's still very wrong - there are a number of other factors besides random mutation (like, say, "natural selection") that go into turning a junkyard into a 747. And in any case, no scientist would suggest this as an explanation for the problem he posed earlier, because that problem is based entirely on his own misunderstanding of entropy.

 

[CBusAlex]

Carson is a nutcase. I believe the majority of people supporting him have no idea what beliefs he actually has. It boggles the mind that someone who could achieve so much in a field like neurosurgery could be so stupid.

It's not all that surprising. Neurosurgery is a made-up field that doesn't actually help anyone. I've never even been to med school, and I could perform brain surgery as well as "Doctor" Carson.

You understand that "neurosurgery" isn't just limited to brain surgery right? The NIH dumps millions into the field. You should probably get up with them and tell them it's a waste of time

So? The government wastes millions on studying duck penises and useless stuff like that all the time.

So, to be clear you are equating (or at least making them similar enough for your point) the study of duck penises to the study of the human nervous system. Good to know

Listen, we don't understand how the human brain works. In fact, we can't! It's basic information theory that the amount of knowledge necessary to understand a thing must be greater than the knowledge within that thing. And since we use our brains to understand things, it's impossible for us to ever understand our brains. So since we don't understand our brains, what are neurosurgeons doing? They're guessing. They're cutting holes in people's heads and chopping up their brains at random. Everywhere else that happens, it kills people. It doesn't cure them. Do you ever see someone walk away from a car accident with a huge gaping head wound, and all their brain cancer gone? Never. It's ridiculous.

 

[sublimeone]

and everything came into perfect order. Now, these are the same scientists who go around touting the second law of thermodynamics, which is entropy, which says that things move toward a state of disorganization. So, now youre going to have this big explosion, and everything becomes perfectly organized.Well, there are a couple problems here. If he's referring to entropy when he says "perfect order" and "perfectly organized", then both statements are wrong. The universe is not currently at minimum entropy, and nothing in the big bang theory suggests that the big bang itself or anything following it caused entropy to decrease. It seems like he's confusing entropy, which is an actual quantifiable definition of order, with "would a human look at this and think it looks organized", which is not.

What if he means the universe was ordered in such a way that it made existence possible? That, consistent with the principle of entropy, the universe started in an ordered state? And in his opinion, that ordered state was the result of an intelligent creator vs randomness? I'm not a scientist but this seems reasonable to me.

When you ask them about it, they say, Well we can explain this based on probability theory, because if theres enough big explosions, over a long enough period of time, billions and billions of years, one of them will be the perfect explosion. What youre telling me is, if I blow a hurricane through a junkyard enough times, over billions and billions of years, eventually, after one of those hurricanes, there will be a 747 fully loaded and ready to fly.Okay, so here we have an argument that's usually made against evolution, but framed in terms of "explosions" for some reason. It's hard to say if he's still discussing the big bang here, or evolution, or if he just doesn't know the difference. If he's talking about big bang theory, he's very very wrong - this universe started with a single big bang, not many of them over the course of billions of years. If he's talking about evolution, he's still very wrong - there are a number of other factors besides random mutation (like, say, "natural selection") that go into turning a junkyard into a 747. And in any case, no scientist would suggest this as an explanation for the problem he posed earlier, because that problem is based entirely on his own misunderstanding of entropy.

It sounds like he's referring to the theory of the multiverse.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Apparently Rubio is now the favorite according to betting markets, having surpassed Bush. Gamblers don't seem to believe that Trump or Carson can pull it off even though they're leading the polls.

Jeb is +250, Rubio is 350 and trump 450 for the repub bid.

Rubio is favored at predictit.com.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

What if he means the universe was ordered in such a way that it made existence possible?

When Trump said he wanted to build a wall, what if he really meant that tachykinins and their receptors play a significant role in in allergic airway inflammation?

Trump's ideas don't seem so stupid now, do they?

 

[sublimeone]

What if he means the universe was ordered in such a way that it made existence possible?

When Trump said he wanted to build a wall, what if he really meant that tachykinins and their receptors play a significant role in in allergic airway inflammation?

Trump's ideas don't seem so stupid now, do they?

Come on. You're better than this. It's pretty obvious those attacking Carson over this little excerpt are extrapolating far more than I am.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Latest poll: Donald Trump still in 1st place. Carson in 2nd. Jeb Bush has fallen off the map.

People (including me) keep predicting that at some point Republicans will come to their senses but it ain't happening. What's it going to take? Have conservatives really become this stupid? Is one of these guys really going to be the candidate?

It's still early. Most normal people haven't even started paying attention yet.

Do "normal people" ever start to pay attention?

 

[urbanhack]

Great performance today by the GOP during the Planned Parenthood "hearing."

 

[joffer]

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/ben-carsons-scientific-ignorance?intcid=mod-latest

In attempting to refute the Big Bang, for example—which he characterized as a “ridiculous” idea—Carson said:

You have all these highfalutin scientists, and they’re saying that there was this gigantic explosion and everything came into perfect order. Now, these are the same scientists who go around touting the second law of thermodynamics, which is entropy, which says that things move toward a state of disorganization. So, now you’re going to have this big explosion, and everything becomes perfectly organized. When you ask them about it, they say, “Well we can explain this based on probability theory, because if there’s enough big explosions, over a long enough period of time, billions and billions of years, one of them will be the perfect explosion”…. What you’re telling me is, if I blow a hurricane through a junkyard enough times, over billions and billions of years, eventually, after one of those hurricanes, there will be a 747 fully loaded and ready to fly.

Ben Carson believes the big bang, without the guiding hand of God does not explain the existence of the universe. What's wrong with saying that?

There's nothing wrong with saying "The big bang theory, without the guiding hand of God, does not fully explain the existence of the universe."But that's not even close to what Carson said.

What do you think he's saying here? What about this excerpt do you specifically take issue with ? I've asked this now a few times and the only response I received is snark.

actually you've been told that the entire paragraph is bull#### twice. Maybe you'd like to point to part that you think is accurate.

You guys used quite a few posts hyperventilating about how ignorant his comments are... yet none of you are willing to state exactly what is so ignorant. Enlighten us.

Krauss did that quite nicely. Did you read the article?

 

[joffer]

What if he means the universe was ordered in such a way that it made existence possible?

When Trump said he wanted to build a wall, what if he really meant that tachykinins and their receptors play a significant role in in allergic airway inflammation?

Trump's ideas don't seem so stupid now, do they?

Come on. You're better than this. It's pretty obvious those attacking Carson over this little excerpt are extrapolating far more than I am.

one of us is going exactly by what he said. the other is trying to interpret it in a way where he doesn't sound like Ken Ham. hth

 

[sublimeone]

What if he means the universe was ordered in such a way that it made existence possible?

When Trump said he wanted to build a wall, what if he really meant that tachykinins and their receptors play a significant role in in allergic airway inflammation?

Trump's ideas don't seem so stupid now, do they?

Come on. You're better than this. It's pretty obvious those attacking Carson over this little excerpt are extrapolating far more than I am.

one of us is going exactly by what he said. the other is trying to interpret it in a way where he doesn't sound like Ken Ham. hth

I guess we can go through this again... Although I suspect you'll need someone else to step up and carry the water for you... What exactly do you take issue with? How is my interpretation inconsistent with what Ben Carson actually said?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

What if he means the universe was ordered in such a way that it made existence possible?

When Trump said he wanted to build a wall, what if he really meant that tachykinins and their receptors play a significant role in in allergic airway inflammation?

Trump's ideas don't seem so stupid now, do they?

Come on. You're better than this. It's pretty obvious those attacking Carson over this little excerpt are extrapolating far more than I am.

I don't think that's true at all. I admire your desire to give Carson the benefit of the doubt by interpreting his remarks in the most charitable way possible. I wish more people did that as a matter of course. But in this case, his words simply don't allow for the possibility that he meant anything that isn't horribly stupid. He tells us what "all these highfalutin scientists" believe and he gets it entirely wrong. Not wrong in an "oh, anyone could have made that mistake" kind of way, but wrong stemming from a stunning combination of willful ignorance and gross hubris that cannot be rescued by artful interpretation.

CBusAlex helpfully bolded the parts I'm referring to.

 

[joffer]

What if he means the universe was ordered in such a way that it made existence possible?

When Trump said he wanted to build a wall, what if he really meant that tachykinins and their receptors play a significant role in in allergic airway inflammation?

Trump's ideas don't seem so stupid now, do they?

Come on. You're better than this. It's pretty obvious those attacking Carson over this little excerpt are extrapolating far more than I am.

one of us is going exactly by what he said. the other is trying to interpret it in a way where he doesn't sound like Ken Ham. hth

I guess we can go through this again... Although I suspect you'll need someone else to step up and carry the water for you... What exactly do you take issue with? How is my interpretation inconsistent with what Ben Carson actually said?

did.....you.....read.....the.....article?

 

[sublimeone]

What if he means the universe was ordered in such a way that it made existence possible?

When Trump said he wanted to build a wall, what if he really meant that tachykinins and their receptors play a significant role in in allergic airway inflammation?

Trump's ideas don't seem so stupid now, do they?

Come on. You're better than this. It's pretty obvious those attacking Carson over this little excerpt are extrapolating far more than I am.

one of us is going exactly by what he said. the other is trying to interpret it in a way where he doesn't sound like Ken Ham. hth

I guess we can go through this again... Although I suspect you'll need someone else to step up and carry the water for you... What exactly do you take issue with? How is my interpretation inconsistent with what Ben Carson actually said?

did.....you.....read.....the.....article?

From start to finish. But that's beside the point. You're questioning my interpretation of what Carson said... I asked you to point out the inconsistency but knew you wouldn't. Have a blessed evening.

 

[Joe Summer]

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/ben-carsons-scientific-ignorance?intcid=mod-latest

In attempting to refute the Big Bang, for example—which he characterized as a “ridiculous” idea—Carson said:

You have all these highfalutin scientists, and they’re saying that there was this gigantic explosion and everything came into perfect order. Now, these are the same scientists who go around touting the second law of thermodynamics, which is entropy, which says that things move toward a state of disorganization. So, now you’re going to have this big explosion, and everything becomes perfectly organized. When you ask them about it, they say, “Well we can explain this based on probability theory, because if there’s enough big explosions, over a long enough period of time, billions and billions of years, one of them will be the perfect explosion”…. What you’re telling me is, if I blow a hurricane through a junkyard enough times, over billions and billions of years, eventually, after one of those hurricanes, there will be a 747 fully loaded and ready to fly.

Ben Carson believes the big bang, without the guiding hand of God does not explain the existence of the universe. What's wrong with saying that?

There's nothing wrong with saying "The big bang theory, without the guiding hand of God, does not fully explain the existence of the universe."But that's not even close to what Carson said.

What do you think he's saying here? What about this excerpt do you specifically take issue with ? I've asked this now a few times and the only response I received is snark.

actually you've been told that the entire paragraph is bull#### twice. Maybe you'd like to point to part that you think is accurate.

You guys used quite a few posts hyperventilating about how ignorant his comments are... yet none of you are willing to state exactly what is so ignorant. Enlighten us.

It's pretty much all laid out in the New Yorker article. But let's start with Carson's statement of "scientists say there was a gigantic explosion and everything came into perfect order."

(Actually, most scientists don't say that.)

Or how about "scientists say if there's enough big explosions over billions of years, one of them will be the perfect explosion".

(Again, scientists don't say that.)

Or how about his claim that the Big Bang Theory must be wrong because we haven't been "bombarded by all this debris coming down from the billions of explosions that were not perfect"?

(Again, this is not a theory of mainstream scientists. He is apparently disputing a theory that does not exist.)

Or how about his claim that the the universe is so well organized that "we can predict seventy years away when a comet is coming"?

(A, that has nothing to do with the universe being "organized"; and B, there are hundreds of thousands of things in the universe that haven't been predicted by scientists.)

Carson's statements are troubling because they are not about his faith, but about his understanding of scientific principles. And his statements show that he is grossly ignorant about basic scientific principles.

Now, obviously it's not essential for the President Of The United States to be well-versed in science. But if you're not well-versed, then you shouldn't be talking about it, and you sure as hell shouldn't be bearing false witness to the scientific community.

It's one thing to say "I don't believe in the Big Bang Theory", but it's quite another to say "Scientists think monkeys can talk!"

 

[Jamesbrownkid]

Ben Carson knows more about science than anyone on this forum.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Ben Carson knows more about science then anyone on this forum.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Ben Carson knows more about science then anyone on this forum.

So he isn't ignorant but instead a liar?

 

[Jamesbrownkid]

Ben Carson > anyone on here when it comes to Science

Donald Trump > anyone on here when it comes to Business

Every day office workers or whatever you guys do for a living thinking you know more than these intellectual giants are hilarious!

 

[Amused to Death]

Has this been posted here yet? Debunking Creationists featuring Dr. Ben Carson.

 

[sublimeone]

It's pretty much all laid out in the New Yorker article. But let's start with Carson's statement of "scientists say there was a gigantic explosion and everything came into perfect order."

(Actually, most scientists don't say that.)

They don’t? The universe was not ordered as a result of the big bang?

Or how about "scientists say if there's enough big explosions over billions of years, one of them will be the perfect explosion".(Again, scientists don't say that.)

Are Stephen Hawking and Neil Degrasse Tyson “scientists” because they are some of the leading proponents of the multiverse theory?

Or how about his claim that the Big Bang Theory must be wrong because we haven't been "bombarded by all this debris coming down from the billions of explosions that were not perfect"?(Again, this is not a theory of mainstream scientists. He is apparently disputing a theory that does not exist.)

Maybe we can give a world renowned neurosurgeon the benefit of the doubt that he’s making joke and not disputing a theory that does not exist.

Or how about his claim that the the universe is so well organized that "we can predict seventy years away when a comet is coming"?(A, that has nothing to do with the universe being "organized"; and B, there are hundreds of thousands of things in the universe that haven't been predicted by scientists.)

The fact that we can predict the movement of a comet 70 years away absolutely implies order otherwise an accurate prediction couldn’t be made.

Carson's statements are troubling because they are not about his faith, but about his understanding of scientific principles. And his statements show that he is grossly ignorant about basic scientific principles.Now, obviously it's not essential for the President Of The United States to be well-versed in science. But if you're not well-versed, then you shouldn't be talking about it, and you sure as hell shouldn't be bearing false witness to the scientific community.

It's one thing to say "I don't believe in the Big Bang Theory", but it's quite another to say "Scientists think monkeys can talk!"

But he’s not grossly ignorant about basic scientific principles. He’s a brilliant individual that I would venture to guess has a far greater understanding of scientific principles than the vast, vast majority of individuals who have led our country previously. All you’re doing is parroting a partisan hatchet job from the New Yorker. Look, I can understand if you disagree with Carson’s religious views, his ideology etc… but this attempt to paint Carson as "scientifically ignorant" is absurd.

 

[Amused to Death]

Has this been posted here yet? Debunking Creationists featuring Dr. Ben Carson.

Big Bang theory starts at the 29:00 mark.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Are Stephen Hawking and Neil Degrasse Tyson “scientists” because they are some of the leading proponents of the multiverse theory?

Uhhhh...."multiverse" and "big bang" are completely different theories. You do know that, right? And you do realize that Ben Carson is mixing up his theories...don't you? Don't you??

 

[sublimeone]

Are Stephen Hawking and Neil Degrasse Tyson “scientists” because they are some of the leading proponents of the multiverse theory?

Uhhhh...."multiverse" and "big bang" are completely different theories. You do know that, right? And you do realize that Ben Carson is mixing up his theories...don't you? Don't you??

You seem to be an expert on the subject, so maybe you'll enlighten me. What does the multiverse theory posit as the starting point for individual universes if not individual big bangs?

 

[timschochet]

Is the multiverse theory like the DC "Crisis on Infinite Earths" comic book I read as a kid?

 

[sublimeone]

Is the multiverse theory like the DC "Crisis on Infinite Earths" comic book I read as a kid?

so this is how one amasses 90k posts...

 

[joffer]

Are Stephen Hawking and Neil Degrasse Tyson “scientists” because they are some of the leading proponents of the multiverse theory?

Uhhhh...."multiverse" and "big bang" are completely different theories. You do know that, right? And you do realize that Ben Carson is mixing up his theories...don't you? Don't you??

You seem to be an expert on the subject, so maybe you'll enlighten me. What does the multiverse theory posit as the starting point for individual universes if not individual big bangs?

The Big Bang model is a scientific theory.Multiverse is not, closer to a hypothesis. There are dozens of suggestions for starting points.

 

[sublimeone]

Are Stephen Hawking and Neil Degrasse Tyson scientists because they are some of the leading proponents of the multiverse theory?

Uhhhh...."multiverse" and "big bang" are completely different theories. You do know that, right? And you do realize that Ben Carson is mixing up his theories...don't you? Don't you??

You seem to be an expert on the subject, so maybe you'll enlighten me. What does the multiverse theory posit as the starting point for individual universes if not individual big bangs?

The Big Bang model is a scientific theory.Multiverse is not, closer to a hypothesis. There are dozens of suggestions for starting points.

Dozens you say? Is multiple big bangs one of those dozens of "suggestions?"

 

[joffer]

Are Stephen Hawking and Neil Degrasse Tyson scientists because they are some of the leading proponents of the multiverse theory?

Uhhhh...."multiverse" and "big bang" are completely different theories. You do know that, right? And you do realize that Ben Carson is mixing up his theories...don't you? Don't you??

You seem to be an expert on the subject, so maybe you'll enlighten me. What does the multiverse theory posit as the starting point for individual universes if not individual big bangs?

The Big Bang model is a scientific theory.Multiverse is not, closer to a hypothesis. There are dozens of suggestions for starting points.

Dozens you say? Is multiple big bangs one of those dozens of "suggestions."

i don't know. I haven't read much on multiverse. What does this have to with Carson's statements on the Big Band model for the origin of this universe?

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Are Stephen Hawking and Neil Degrasse Tyson “scientists” because they are some of the leading proponents of the multiverse theory?

Uhhhh...."multiverse" and "big bang" are completely different theories. You do know that, right? And you do realize that Ben Carson is mixing up his theories...don't you? Don't you??

You seem to be an expert on the subject, so maybe you'll enlighten me. What does the multiverse theory posit as the starting point for individual universes if not individual big bangs?

I never said I was an expert, but thanks for assuming that I was one based solely on one sentence.

Anyway, the multiverse concept posits that there are multiple parallel universes. That's all. It is a hypothesis that is independent of the Big Bang theory. You can have one without the other.

Ben Carson is trying to present a scientifically-sounding argument against the Big Bang Theory by talking about things that relate to a multiverse. In doing this, Ben Carson is either being very ignorant or he is being disingenuous.

 

[joffer]

Let's revisit his statement

So, now you’re going to have this big explosion, and everything becomes perfectly organized. When you ask them about it, they say, “Well we can explain this based on probability theory, because if there’s enough big explosions, over a long enough period of time, billions and billions of years, one of them will be the perfect explosion”

He's not talking about multiverse. "billions and billions of years" is a time scale for THIS universe. It makes no sense in the context of multiverse. The statement is gibberish. YOU are trying to find a meaning here that isn't gibberish.

 

[joffer]

Maybe tomorrow we can discuss his ignorant comments on angular momentum. good night.

 

[Buckfast 1]

What if he means the universe was ordered in such a way that it made existence possible?

When Trump said he wanted to build a wall, what if he really meant that tachykinins and their receptors play a significant role in in allergic airway inflammation?

Trump's ideas don't seem so stupid now, do they?

Come on. You're better than this. It's pretty obvious those attacking Carson over this little excerpt are extrapolating far more than I am.

I don't think that's true at all. I admire your desire to give Carson the benefit of the doubt by interpreting his remarks in the most charitable way possible. I wish more people did that as a matter of course. But in this case, his words simply don't allow for the possibility that he meant anything that isn't horribly stupid. He tells us what "all these highfalutin scientists" believe and he gets it entirely wrong. Not wrong in an "oh, anyone could have made that mistake" kind of way, but wrong stemming from a stunning combination of willful ignorance and gross hubris that cannot be rescued by artful interpretation.CBusAlex helpfully bolded the parts I'm referring to.

This is awesome. Nice work, MT.

 

[Jamesbrownkid]

Michelle Malkin DESTROYING Rubio https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/648938691574935552

 

[bigbottom]

Michelle Malkin DESTROYING Rubio https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/648938691574935552

It's sounding more and more like conservatives are opposed to legal immigration as well. Not all of them, of course, but an increasing number it seems.

 

[jon_mx]

Let's revisit his statement

So, now you’re going to have this big explosion, and everything becomes perfectly organized. When you ask them about it, they say, “Well we can explain this based on probability theory, because if there’s enough big explosions, over a long enough period of time, billions and billions of years, one of them will be the perfect explosion”

He's not talking about multiverse. "billions and billions of years" is a time scale for THIS universe. It makes no sense in the context of multiverse. The statement is gibberish. YOU are trying to find a meaning here that isn't gibberish.

I had a perfect explosion last night.

 

[The Commish]

Carson is a nutcase. I believe the majority of people supporting him have no idea what beliefs he actually has. It boggles the mind that someone who could achieve so much in a field like neurosurgery could be so stupid.

It's not all that surprising. Neurosurgery is a made-up field that doesn't actually help anyone. I've never even been to med school, and I could perform brain surgery as well as "Doctor" Carson.

You understand that "neurosurgery" isn't just limited to brain surgery right? The NIH dumps millions into the field. You should probably get up with them and tell them it's a waste of time

So? The government wastes millions on studying duck penises and useless stuff like that all the time.

So, to be clear you are equating (or at least making them similar enough for your point) the study of duck penises to the study of the human nervous system. Good to know

Listen, we don't understand how the human brain works. In fact, we can't! It's basic information theory that the amount of knowledge necessary to understand a thing must be greater than the knowledge within that thing. And since we use our brains to understand things, it's impossible for us to ever understand our brains. So since we don't understand our brains, what are neurosurgeons doing? They're guessing. They're cutting holes in people's heads and chopping up their brains at random. Everywhere else that happens, it kills people. It doesn't cure them. Do you ever see someone walk away from a car accident with a huge gaping head wound, and all their brain cancer gone? Never. It's ridiculous.

Again...neurosurgeons, neurosurgery, neurology encompass more than just "cutting up brains and guessing". There is plenty we are learning about the human brain and there's plenty we are learning about the nervous system. You keep up with the nonsensical along the lines of the bold. I'm not sure I've ever heard a person go down this path so it should be fun to watch.

 

[jamny]

Just throwing it out there, but maybe he meant the multiple explosions were the supernovas that create the stars and the perfect one was the one that helped create earth.

 

[urbanhack]

The Perfect Explosion[SIZE=11.25px]®[/SIZE]

 

[tommyGunZ]

The conservative leaning Tax Foundation scored Trumps tax plan as costing us 10 trillion dollars over 10 years.

Remember when conservatives cared about deficits?

 

[ffldrew]

The conservative leaning Tax Foundation scored Trumps tax plan as costing us 10 trillion dollars over 10 years.

Remember when conservatives cared about deficits?

Tax Foundation are a bunch of clowns who know nothing - Trump name will make everyone want to pay more in taxes and they didn't score that in.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Ben Carson knows more about science than anyone on this forum.

He probably knows more about the brain and nervous system than nearly everyone on this forum.

He doesn't know much about cosmology or evolutionary theory in general.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Carson is a nutcase. I believe the majority of people supporting him have no idea what beliefs he actually has. It boggles the mind that someone who could achieve so much in a field like neurosurgery could be so stupid.

It's not all that surprising. Neurosurgery is a made-up field that doesn't actually help anyone. I've never even been to med school, and I could perform brain surgery as well as "Doctor" Carson.

You understand that "neurosurgery" isn't just limited to brain surgery right? The NIH dumps millions into the field. You should probably get up with them and tell them it's a waste of time

So? The government wastes millions on studying duck penises and useless stuff like that all the time.

So, to be clear you are equating (or at least making them similar enough for your point) the study of duck penises to the study of the human nervous system. Good to know

Listen, we don't understand how the human brain works. In fact, we can't! It's basic information theory that the amount of knowledge necessary to understand a thing must be greater than the knowledge within that thing. And since we use our brains to understand things, it's impossible for us to ever understand our brains. So since we don't understand our brains, what are neurosurgeons doing? They're guessing. They're cutting holes in people's heads and chopping up their brains at random. Everywhere else that happens, it kills people. It doesn't cure them. Do you ever see someone walk away from a car accident with a huge gaping head wound, and all their brain cancer gone? Never. It's ridiculous.

Again...neurosurgeons, neurosurgery, neurology encompass more than just "cutting up brains and guessing". There is plenty we are learning about the human brain and there's plenty we are learning about the nervous system. You keep up with the nonsensical along the lines of the bold. I'm not sure I've ever heard a person go down this path so it should be fun to watch.

You are completely missing the awesomeness of CBusAlex's posts.