Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (1 Viewer)

[The Commish]

You are completely missing the awesomeness of CBusAlex's posts.

apparently

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

It's pretty much all laid out in the New Yorker article. But let's start with Carson's statement of "scientists say there was a gigantic explosion and everything came into perfect order."

(Actually, most scientists don't say that.)

They don’t? The universe was not ordered as a result of the big bang?

Of course they don't. Explosions don't create order. Most explosions create disorder (something analogous to entropy). Not everything in the universe is in perfect order right now (see: my desk), but to the extent that something is in good order, it is much more likely to be ordered by something other than an explosion. (Also, calling the Big Bang an "explosion" is itself pretty non-scientific, but I'll avoid nitpicking that beyond this parenthetical note.)

 

[Amused to Death]

Has this been posted here yet? Debunking Creationists featuring Dr. Ben Carson.

Big Bang theory starts at the 29:00 mark.

 

[Joe Summer]

Maybe we can give a world renowned neurosurgeon the benefit of the doubt that hes making joke and not disputing a theory that does not exist.

Ben Carson: "If I say anything that sounds crazy, I was just joking! Vote for me!"

 

[joffer]

It's pretty much all laid out in the New Yorker article. But let's start with Carson's statement of "scientists say there was a gigantic explosion and everything came into perfect order."

(Actually, most scientists don't say that.)

They don’t? The universe was not ordered as a result of the big bang?

Of course they don't. Explosions don't create order. Most explosions create disorder (something analogous to entropy). Not everything in the universe is in perfect order right now (see: my desk), but to the extent that something is in good order, it is much more likely to be ordered by something other than an explosion. (Also, calling the Big Bang an "explosion" is itself pretty non-scientific, but I'll avoid nitpicking that beyond this parenthetical note.)

apparently, the fact that we can predict a comet's path, i.e. that Newtonian gravity exists, implies "order".

 

[the moops]

Michelle Malkin DESTROYING Rubio https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/648938691574935552

It's sounding more and more like conservatives are opposed to legal immigration as well. Not all of them, of course, but an increasing number it seems.

Wonder how she feels about birthright citizenship?

 

[sublimeone]

Are Stephen Hawking and Neil Degrasse Tyson “scientists” because they are some of the leading proponents of the multiverse theory?

Uhhhh...."multiverse" and "big bang" are completely different theories. You do know that, right? And you do realize that Ben Carson is mixing up his theories...don't you? Don't you??

You seem to be an expert on the subject, so maybe you'll enlighten me. What does the multiverse theory posit as the starting point for individual universes if not individual big bangs?

I never said I was an expert, but thanks for assuming that I was one based solely on one sentence.

Anyway, the multiverse concept posits that there are multiple parallel universes. That's all. It is a hypothesis that is independent of the Big Bang theory. You can have one without the other.

Ben Carson is trying to present a scientifically-sounding argument against the Big Bang Theory by talking about things that relate to a multiverse. In doing this, Ben Carson is either being very ignorant or he is being disingenuous.

Yes, proponents of the multiverse suggest the idea that there are infinite universes and all these universes start with a big bang... and this is exactly what Carson is talking about here.

 

[Joe Summer]

Yes, proponents of the multiverse suggest the idea that there are infinite universes and all these universes start with a big bang... and this is exactly what Carson is talking about here.

 

[Fennis]

"I personally believe that this theory that Darwin came up with was something that was encouraged by the adversary.” The Adversary is a nickname for the devil; it’s the actual translation of the word “Satan.”

 

[sublimeone]

Let's revisit his statement

So, now you’re going to have this big explosion, and everything becomes perfectly organized. When you ask them about it, they say, “Well we can explain this based on probability theory, because if there’s enough big explosions, over a long enough period of time, billions and billions of years, one of them will be the perfect explosion”

He's not talking about multiverse. "billions and billions of years" is a time scale for THIS universe. It makes no sense in the context of multiverse. The statement is gibberish. YOU are trying to find a meaning here that isn't gibberish.

A lot of big bangs over billions and billions of years... one of them is perfectly fine tuned (ours)... sounds like the multiverse in a nutshell.

 

[Fennis]

Let's revisit his statement

So, now you’re going to have this big explosion, and everything becomes perfectly organized. When you ask them about it, they say, “Well we can explain this based on probability theory, because if there’s enough big explosions, over a long enough period of time, billions and billions of years, one of them will be the perfect explosion”

He's not talking about multiverse. "billions and billions of years" is a time scale for THIS universe. It makes no sense in the context of multiverse. The statement is gibberish. YOU are trying to find a meaning here that isn't gibberish.

A lot of big bangs over billions and billions of years... one of them is perfectly fine tuned (ours)... sounds like the multiverse in a nutshell.

I don't understand what you are defending. He called the Big Bang a fairy tale and believes the earth is 10,000 years old. He thinks evolution was created by Satan. He does not believe in basic facts.

 

[sublimeone]

Yes, proponents of the multiverse suggest the idea that there are infinite universes and all these universes start with a big bang... and this is exactly what Carson is talking about here.

where am I wrong?

 

[the moops]

holy ####

 

[Buckfast 1]

Yes, proponents of the multiverse suggest the idea that there are infinite universes and all these universes start with a big bang... and this is exactly what Carson is talking about here.

where am I wrong?

The part where you think that anything that Carson said was inspired by real science as opposed to archaic mythology.

 

[sublimeone]

Let's revisit his statement

So, now you’re going to have this big explosion, and everything becomes perfectly organized. When you ask them about it, they say, “Well we can explain this based on probability theory, because if there’s enough big explosions, over a long enough period of time, billions and billions of years, one of them will be the perfect explosion”

He's not talking about multiverse. "billions and billions of years" is a time scale for THIS universe. It makes no sense in the context of multiverse. The statement is gibberish. YOU are trying to find a meaning here that isn't gibberish.

A lot of big bangs over billions and billions of years... one of them is perfectly fine tuned (ours)... sounds like the multiverse in a nutshell.

I don't understand what you are defending. He called the Big Bang a fairy tale and believes the earth is 10,000 years old. He thinks evolution was created by Satan. He does not believe in basic facts.

Look I don't know everything the guy has said or the context relative to the things he's said. I have not heard him claim the earth is 10,000 years old. I have also heard the claims that he's anti-vaccination and then I go back and listen to what he's actually said and the claims are completely bogus. It's starting to feel like a witch hunt.

From what I've actually heard him say, it sounds like he disagrees with the idea that of our existence is purely random and can be explained to the exclusion of a designer. This is what a lot of Christians believe, that the origin of the universe started with a big bang that was finely tuned by a creator and that we share DNA with other primates not because of blind evolutionary processes but because of the guiding hand of a God who purposely created us.

 

[Amused to Death]

Let's revisit his statement

So, now you’re going to have this big explosion, and everything becomes perfectly organized. When you ask them about it, they say, “Well we can explain this based on probability theory, because if there’s enough big explosions, over a long enough period of time, billions and billions of years, one of them will be the perfect explosion”

He's not talking about multiverse. "billions and billions of years" is a time scale for THIS universe. It makes no sense in the context of multiverse. The statement is gibberish. YOU are trying to find a meaning here that isn't gibberish.

A lot of big bangs over billions and billions of years... one of them is perfectly fine tuned (ours)... sounds like the multiverse in a nutshell.

I don't understand what you are defending. He called the Big Bang a fairy tale and believes the earth is 10,000 years old. He thinks evolution was created by Satan. He does not believe in basic facts.

Look I don't know everything the guy has said or the context relative to the things he's said. I have not heard him claim the earth is 10,000 years old. I have also heard the claims that he's anti-vaccination and then I go back and listen to what he's actually said and the claims are completely bogus. It's starting to feel like a witch hunt.

From what I've actually heard him say, it sounds like he disagrees with the idea that of our existence is purely random and can be explained to the exclusion of a designer. This is what a lot of Christians believe, that the origin of the universe started with a big bang that was finely tuned by a creator and that we share DNA with other primates not because of blind evolutionary processes but because of the guiding hand of a God who purposely created us.

I posted the link, I think.

 

[Coach McGurk]

Carson is a nutcase. I believe the majority of people supporting him have no idea what beliefs he actually has. It boggles the mind that someone who could achieve so much in a field like neurosurgery could be so stupid.

It's not all that surprising. Neurosurgery is a made-up field that doesn't actually help anyone. I've never even been to med school, and I could perform brain surgery as well as "Doctor" Carson.

You understand that "neurosurgery" isn't just limited to brain surgery right? The NIH dumps millions into the field. You should probably get up with them and tell them it's a waste of time

So? The government wastes millions on studying duck penises and useless stuff like that all the time.

So, to be clear you are equating (or at least making them similar enough for your point) the study of duck penises to the study of the human nervous system. Good to know

Listen, we don't understand how the human brain works. In fact, we can't! It's basic information theory that the amount of knowledge necessary to understand a thing must be greater than the knowledge within that thing. And since we use our brains to understand things, it's impossible for us to ever understand our brains. So since we don't understand our brains, what are neurosurgeons doing? They're guessing. They're cutting holes in people's heads and chopping up their brains at random. Everywhere else that happens, it kills people. It doesn't cure them. Do you ever see someone walk away from a car accident with a huge gaping head wound, and all their brain cancer gone? Never. It's ridiculous.

Again...neurosurgeons, neurosurgery, neurology encompass more than just "cutting up brains and guessing". There is plenty we are learning about the human brain and there's plenty we are learning about the nervous system. You keep up with the nonsensical along the lines of the bold. I'm not sure I've ever heard a person go down this path so it should be fun to watch.

It sounds like CBusAlex is just saying that, with all the progress we've made in the field of neuroscience so far, there is still more to learn, and we should never give up on the quest for knowledge. What's so wrong with that?

 

[The Commish]

It sounds like CBusAlex is just saying that, with all the progress we've made in the field of neuroscience so far, there is still more to learn, and we should never give up on the quest for knowledge. What's so wrong with that?

I guess it's me. I can't get to your summary by reading this:

It's not all that surprising. Neurosurgery is a made-up field that doesn't actually help anyone. I've never even been to med school, and I could perform brain surgery as well as "Doctor" Carson.

This comment is what started my inquiry. If you got what you posted from it, more power to you

 

[Eephus]

Who would have thought astrophysics would become a campaign issue

 

[sublimeone]

It's pretty much all laid out in the New Yorker article. But let's start with Carson's statement of "scientists say there was a gigantic explosion and everything came into perfect order."

(Actually, most scientists don't say that.)

They don’t? The universe was not ordered as a result of the big bang?

Of course they don't. Explosions don't create order. Most explosions create disorder (something analogous to entropy). Not everything in the universe is in perfect order right now (see: my desk), but to the extent that something is in good order, it is much more likely to be ordered by something other than an explosion. (Also, calling the Big Bang an "explosion" is itself pretty non-scientific, but I'll avoid nitpicking that beyond this parenthetical note.)

The universe is incredibly fine tuned... this is part of why the multiverse makes sense. In order to get one universe as finely tuned as our own there would need to be a near infinite amount of universes.

 

[sublimeone]

Yes, proponents of the multiverse suggest the idea that there are infinite universes and all these universes start with a big bang... and this is exactly what Carson is talking about here.

for you Joe: http://memeful.com/meme/de51Ald

 

[timschochet]

sublimeone, Ben Carson is not simply a religious Christian who believes that God created the universe. He is a religious Seventh Day Adventist, a Young Earth Creationist who believes that the Earth is 6,000 years old, the Bible is inerrant, and that evolution is a false theory.

 

[QuizGuy66]

I sure hope this hurricane doesn't hit New Hampshire - I'm concerned for Governor Christie

-QG

 

[RCon]

Latest poll: Donald Trump still in 1st place. Carson in 2nd. Jeb Bush has fallen off the map.

People (including me) keep predicting that at some point Republicans will come to their senses but it ain't happening. What's it going to take? Have conservatives really become this stupid? Is one of these guys really going to be the candidate?

It's still early. Most normal people haven't even started paying attention yet.

Do "normal people" ever start to pay attention?

Probably not. Of course, that's a pretty good argument for more limits on voting...

 

[sublimeone]

sublimeone, Ben Carson is not simply a religious Christian who believes that God created the universe. He is a religious Seventh Day Adventist, a Young Earth Creationist who believes that the Earth is 6,000 years old, the Bible is inerrant, and that evolution is a false theory.

Tim, has Ben Carson said that he believes the earth is 6,000 years old or are you assuming based on his religious affiliation that is what he believes?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

You are completely missing the awesomeness of CBusAlex's posts.

apparently

And now you are missing the awesomeness of Coach McGurk's post.

 

[The Commish]

You are completely missing the awesomeness of CBusAlex's posts.

apparently

And now you are missing the awesomeness of Coach McGurk's post.

Honestly, this is one of those days where I wish I hadn't even gotten out of bed.

 

[the moops]

sublimeone, Ben Carson is not simply a religious Christian who believes that God created the universe. He is a religious Seventh Day Adventist, a Young Earth Creationist who believes that the Earth is 6,000 years old, the Bible is inerrant, and that evolution is a false theory.

Tim, has Ben Carson said that he believes the earth is 6,000 years old or are you assuming based on his religious affiliation that is what he believes?

 

[Steve Tasker]

Ben Carson: still loony

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

You are completely missing the awesomeness of CBusAlex's posts.

apparently

And now you are missing the awesomeness of Coach McGurk's post.

Honestly, this is one of those days where I wish I hadn't even gotten out of bed.

I don't want to ruin the fun, but CBusAlex and Coach McGurk are posting silly things on purpose. The point is that what CBusAlex is posting is silly in the EXACT SAME WAY as Ben Carson's remarks. And Coach McGurk is defending CBusAlex in the EXACT SAME WAY that sublimeone is defending Carson.

 

[James Daulton]

Apparently electromagnetism has a lot to do with the creation of the universe. I learned this while watching the science channel while on an elliptical.

Getting smarter and burning calories!

 

[Jamesbrownkid]

snark snark

 

[timschochet]

sublimeone, Ben Carson is not simply a religious Christian who believes that God created the universe. He is a religious Seventh Day Adventist, a Young Earth Creationist who believes that the Earth is 6,000 years old, the Bible is inerrant, and that evolution is a false theory.

Tim, has Ben Carson said that he believes the earth is 6,000 years old or are you assuming based on his religious affiliation that is what he believes?

No, it's a fair question. I have read in several places that this is what he believes. But I haven't heard him say it and I can't find a direct quote. Given the fact that many of his other quotes sound almost word for word like they came from Answers In Genesis, I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption. But no I can't find direct proof.

I HAVE heard him argue against evolution, using some arguments similar to those of the Discovery Instiatute (the "Intelligent Design" folks.)

 

[Buckfast 1]

I hate to come to Ben Carson's defense here, but Carson stated in his "Celebration of Creation" lecture in 2011 that, "I am not a hard-and-fast person who says the Earth is only 6,000 years old...I do believe in the six-day creation." Carson then explained:

"It says in the beginning God created the heaven and Earth. It doesn't say when he created them, except for in the beginning. So the Earth could have been here for a long time before he started creating things on it. But when he did start doing that, he made it very specifically clear to us the evening and the morning were the next day because he knew that people would come along and try to say that, "Oh, it was millions and millions of years." And then what else did he say in the very first chapter? That each thing brought forth after its own kind. Because he knew that people would come along and say, you know, this changed into that and this changed into that and this changed into that. So at the very beginning of the Bible, he puts that to rest."

So, while Carson doesn't appear to be a new Earth creationist it that the Earth itself is only 6,000 years old because he doesn't believe that the word of the Bible compels it, he does believe that the word of the Bible trumps modern science's understanding of evolution and how long humans and other species have inhabited our planet. Carson's comments clearly indicate that, when the Bible and science conflict, he will always choose the Bible to govern his understanding of the world. I personally think that displays a frightening lack of critical thinking skills, especially for a person whose professional background is grounded in the sciences.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/ben-carson-creationism-six-days

 

[Amused to Death]

sublimeone, Ben Carson is not simply a religious Christian who believes that God created the universe. He is a religious Seventh Day Adventist, a Young Earth Creationist who believes that the Earth is 6,000 years old, the Bible is inerrant, and that evolution is a false theory.

Tim, has Ben Carson said that he believes the earth is 6,000 years old or are you assuming based on his religious affiliation that is what he believes?

No, it's a fair question.I have read in several places that this is what he believes. But I haven't heard him say it and I can't find a direct quote. Given the fact that many of his other quotes sound almost word for word like they came from Answers In Genesis, I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption. But no I can't find direct proof.

I HAVE heard him argue against evolution, using some arguments similar to those of the Discovery Instiatute (the "Intelligent Design" folks.)

Have I mentioned I posted a link that features Dr. Ben Carson speaking? In his own words? Is this thing on? Hello?

Everyone can keep speculating and lamenting how they haven't actually heard him though. <sigh> (hint: the link covers all of this discussion - in his own words. HTH).

 

[The Commish]

You are completely missing the awesomeness of CBusAlex's posts.

apparently

And now you are missing the awesomeness of Coach McGurk's post.

Honestly, this is one of those days where I wish I hadn't even gotten out of bed.

I don't want to ruin the fun, but CBusAlex and Coach McGurk are posting silly things on purpose. The point is that what CBusAlex is posting is silly in the EXACT SAME WAY as Ben Carson's remarks. And Coach McGurk is defending CBusAlex in the EXACT SAME WAY that sublimeone is defending Carson.

Never would have gotten that from CBusAlex's post...sorta see it in McG's. To each his own I suppose

 

[General Malaise]

Absolutely NAILS it.

 

[Fennis]

I hate to come to Ben Carson's defense here, but Carson stated in his "Celebration of Creation" lecture in 2011 that, "I am not a hard-and-fast person who says the Earth is only 6,000 years old...I do believe in the six-day creation." Carson then explained:

"It says in the beginning God created the heaven and Earth. It doesn't say when he created them, except for in the beginning. So the Earth could have been here for a long time before he started creating things on it. But when he did start doing that, he made it very specifically clear to us the evening and the morning were the next day because he knew that people would come along and try to say that, "Oh, it was millions and millions of years." And then what else did he say in the very first chapter? That each thing brought forth after its own kind. Because he knew that people would come along and say, you know, this changed into that and this changed into that and this changed into that. So at the very beginning of the Bible, he puts that to rest."

So, while Carson doesn't appear to be a new Earth creationist it that the Earth itself is only 6,000 years old because he doesn't believe that the word of the Bible compels it, he does believe that the word of the Bible trumps modern science's understanding of evolution and how long humans and other species have inhabited our planet. Carson's comments clearly indicate that, when the Bible and science conflict, he will always choose the Bible to govern his understanding of the world. I personally think that displays a frightening lack of critical thinking skills, especially for a person whose professional background is grounded in the sciences.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/ben-carson-creationism-six-days

So he believes the earth was flooded by god and Noah is a literal story. He believe everything on earth was created in 6 days. He believes evolution is a lie. Got it.

 

[shadrap]

I hate to come to Ben Carson's defense here, but Carson stated in his "Celebration of Creation" lecture in 2011 that, "I am not a hard-and-fast person who says the Earth is only 6,000 years old...I do believe in the six-day creation." Carson then explained:

"It says in the beginning God created the heaven and Earth. It doesn't say when he created them, except for in the beginning. So the Earth could have been here for a long time before he started creating things on it. But when he did start doing that, he made it very specifically clear to us the evening and the morning were the next day because he knew that people would come along and try to say that, "Oh, it was millions and millions of years." And then what else did he say in the very first chapter? That each thing brought forth after its own kind. Because he knew that people would come along and say, you know, this changed into that and this changed into that and this changed into that. So at the very beginning of the Bible, he puts that to rest."

So, while Carson doesn't appear to be a new Earth creationist it that the Earth itself is only 6,000 years old because he doesn't believe that the word of the Bible compels it, he does believe that the word of the Bible trumps modern science's understanding of evolution and how long humans and other species have inhabited our planet. Carson's comments clearly indicate that, when the Bible and science conflict, he will always choose the Bible to govern his understanding of the world. I personally think that displays a frightening lack of critical thinking skills, especially for a person whose professional background is grounded in the sciences.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/ben-carson-creationism-six-days

So he believes the earth was flooded by god and Noah is a literal story. He believe everything on earth was created in 6 days. He believes evolution is a lie. Got it.

I guess some believe that because of their religion. You apparently don't & think you are right. A lot think you are wrong. At least in your differing opinion you didn't call him bat sh#t crazy. Good for you.

 

[Fennis]

I hate to come to Ben Carson's defense here, but Carson stated in his "Celebration of Creation" lecture in 2011 that, "I am not a hard-and-fast person who says the Earth is only 6,000 years old...I do believe in the six-day creation." Carson then explained:

"It says in the beginning God created the heaven and Earth. It doesn't say when he created them, except for in the beginning. So the Earth could have been here for a long time before he started creating things on it. But when he did start doing that, he made it very specifically clear to us the evening and the morning were the next day because he knew that people would come along and try to say that, "Oh, it was millions and millions of years." And then what else did he say in the very first chapter? That each thing brought forth after its own kind. Because he knew that people would come along and say, you know, this changed into that and this changed into that and this changed into that. So at the very beginning of the Bible, he puts that to rest."

So, while Carson doesn't appear to be a new Earth creationist it that the Earth itself is only 6,000 years old because he doesn't believe that the word of the Bible compels it, he does believe that the word of the Bible trumps modern science's understanding of evolution and how long humans and other species have inhabited our planet. Carson's comments clearly indicate that, when the Bible and science conflict, he will always choose the Bible to govern his understanding of the world. I personally think that displays a frightening lack of critical thinking skills, especially for a person whose professional background is grounded in the sciences.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/ben-carson-creationism-six-days

So he believes the earth was flooded by god and Noah is a literal story. He believe everything on earth was created in 6 days. He believes evolution is a lie. Got it.

I guess some believe that because of their religion. You apparently don't & think you are right. A lot think you are wrong. At least in your differing opinion you didn't call him bat sh#t crazy. Good for you.

he is bat #### crazy.

 

[Amused to Death]

I hate to come to Ben Carson's defense here, but Carson stated in his "Celebration of Creation" lecture in 2011 that, "I am not a hard-and-fast person who says the Earth is only 6,000 years old...I do believe in the six-day creation." Carson then explained:

"It says in the beginning God created the heaven and Earth. It doesn't say when he created them, except for in the beginning. So the Earth could have been here for a long time before he started creating things on it. But when he did start doing that, he made it very specifically clear to us the evening and the morning were the next day because he knew that people would come along and try to say that, "Oh, it was millions and millions of years." And then what else did he say in the very first chapter? That each thing brought forth after its own kind. Because he knew that people would come along and say, you know, this changed into that and this changed into that and this changed into that. So at the very beginning of the Bible, he puts that to rest."

So, while Carson doesn't appear to be a new Earth creationist it that the Earth itself is only 6,000 years old because he doesn't believe that the word of the Bible compels it, he does believe that the word of the Bible trumps modern science's understanding of evolution and how long humans and other species have inhabited our planet. Carson's comments clearly indicate that, when the Bible and science conflict, he will always choose the Bible to govern his understanding of the world. I personally think that displays a frightening lack of critical thinking skills, especially for a person whose professional background is grounded in the sciences.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/ben-carson-creationism-six-days

So he believes the earth was flooded by god and Noah is a literal story. He believe everything on earth was created in 6 days. He believes evolution is a lie. Got it.

Yes and one of his pieces of "evidence" is that marine fossils were found in the Andes mountains, ignoring how the Andes were formed and why there would be marine fossils. So easy to debunk.

 

[Fennis]

I hate to come to Ben Carson's defense here, but Carson stated in his "Celebration of Creation" lecture in 2011 that, "I am not a hard-and-fast person who says the Earth is only 6,000 years old...I do believe in the six-day creation." Carson then explained:

"It says in the beginning God created the heaven and Earth. It doesn't say when he created them, except for in the beginning. So the Earth could have been here for a long time before he started creating things on it. But when he did start doing that, he made it very specifically clear to us the evening and the morning were the next day because he knew that people would come along and try to say that, "Oh, it was millions and millions of years." And then what else did he say in the very first chapter? That each thing brought forth after its own kind. Because he knew that people would come along and say, you know, this changed into that and this changed into that and this changed into that. So at the very beginning of the Bible, he puts that to rest."

So, while Carson doesn't appear to be a new Earth creationist it that the Earth itself is only 6,000 years old because he doesn't believe that the word of the Bible compels it, he does believe that the word of the Bible trumps modern science's understanding of evolution and how long humans and other species have inhabited our planet. Carson's comments clearly indicate that, when the Bible and science conflict, he will always choose the Bible to govern his understanding of the world. I personally think that displays a frightening lack of critical thinking skills, especially for a person whose professional background is grounded in the sciences.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/ben-carson-creationism-six-days

So he believes the earth was flooded by god and Noah is a literal story. He believe everything on earth was created in 6 days. He believes evolution is a lie. Got it.

Yes and one of his pieces of "evidence" is that marine fossils were found in the Andes mountains, ignoring how the Andes were formed and why there would be marine fossils. So easy to debunk.

Yes I watched that part of the video. 1:20 version is in the motherjones link

 

[shadrap]

I hate to come to Ben Carson's defense here, but Carson stated in his "Celebration of Creation" lecture in 2011 that, "I am not a hard-and-fast person who says the Earth is only 6,000 years old...I do believe in the six-day creation." Carson then explained:

"It says in the beginning God created the heaven and Earth. It doesn't say when he created them, except for in the beginning. So the Earth could have been here for a long time before he started creating things on it. But when he did start doing that, he made it very specifically clear to us the evening and the morning were the next day because he knew that people would come along and try to say that, "Oh, it was millions and millions of years." And then what else did he say in the very first chapter? That each thing brought forth after its own kind. Because he knew that people would come along and say, you know, this changed into that and this changed into that and this changed into that. So at the very beginning of the Bible, he puts that to rest."

So, while Carson doesn't appear to be a new Earth creationist it that the Earth itself is only 6,000 years old because he doesn't believe that the word of the Bible compels it, he does believe that the word of the Bible trumps modern science's understanding of evolution and how long humans and other species have inhabited our planet. Carson's comments clearly indicate that, when the Bible and science conflict, he will always choose the Bible to govern his understanding of the world. I personally think that displays a frightening lack of critical thinking skills, especially for a person whose professional background is grounded in the sciences.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/ben-carson-creationism-six-days

So he believes the earth was flooded by god and Noah is a literal story. He believe everything on earth was created in 6 days. He believes evolution is a lie. Got it.

I guess some believe that because of their religion. You apparently don't & think you are right. A lot think you are wrong. At least in your differing opinion you didn't call him bat sh#t crazy. Good for you.

he is bat #### crazy.

So Evolution vrs. creation. Darwin came out with his theory of evolution in mid 1800's. Battle has waged ever since. So anyone who believes in the creation theory is bat sh#t crazy. Got it.

 

[Dickies]

I hate to come to Ben Carson's defense here, but Carson stated in his "Celebration of Creation" lecture in 2011 that, "I am not a hard-and-fast person who says the Earth is only 6,000 years old...I do believe in the six-day creation." Carson then explained:

"It says in the beginning God created the heaven and Earth. It doesn't say when he created them, except for in the beginning. So the Earth could have been here for a long time before he started creating things on it. But when he did start doing that, he made it very specifically clear to us the evening and the morning were the next day because he knew that people would come along and try to say that, "Oh, it was millions and millions of years." And then what else did he say in the very first chapter? That each thing brought forth after its own kind. Because he knew that people would come along and say, you know, this changed into that and this changed into that and this changed into that. So at the very beginning of the Bible, he puts that to rest."

So, while Carson doesn't appear to be a new Earth creationist it that the Earth itself is only 6,000 years old because he doesn't believe that the word of the Bible compels it, he does believe that the word of the Bible trumps modern science's understanding of evolution and how long humans and other species have inhabited our planet. Carson's comments clearly indicate that, when the Bible and science conflict, he will always choose the Bible to govern his understanding of the world. I personally think that displays a frightening lack of critical thinking skills, especially for a person whose professional background is grounded in the sciences.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/ben-carson-creationism-six-days

So he believes the earth was flooded by god and Noah is a literal story. He believe everything on earth was created in 6 days. He believes evolution is a lie. Got it.

I guess some believe that because of their religion. You apparently don't & think you are right. A lot think you are wrong. At least in your differing opinion you didn't call him bat sh#t crazy. Good for you.

he is bat #### crazy.

So Evolution vrs. creation. Darwin came out with his theory of evolution in mid 1800's. Battle has waged ever since. So anyone who believes in the creation theory is bat sh#t crazy. Got it.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[culdeus]

So Evolution vrs. creation. Darwin came out with his theory of evolution in mid 1800's. Battle has waged ever since. So anyone who believes in the creation theory is bat sh#t crazy. Got it.

The battle didn't start then.

 

[Sand]

The conservative leaning Tax Foundation scored Trumps tax plan as costing us 10 trillion dollars over 10 years.

Remember when conservatives cared about deficits?

Trump isn't a conservative.

 

[Fennis]

So Evolution vrs. creation. Darwin came out with his theory of evolution in mid 1800's. Battle has waged ever since. So anyone who believes in the creation theory is bat sh#t crazy. Got it.

you're right that was a little harsh. I don't care what my neighbor believes, or what people who post on message board believe. I rarely post in religious debate threads, because I don't care.

However, I do care what my President believes, and anyone who believes in creationism, that the world was flooded and noah floated around on a boat, that the earth is 10,000 years old, or the world was created in 6 days, should under any circumstance never,ever, never, ever, never, ever be elected to most offices, especially President, school board representative, or county clerk

 

[shadrap]

That's cool.

 

[joffer]

The conservative leaning Tax Foundation scored Trumps tax plan as costing us 10 trillion dollars over 10 years.

Remember when conservatives cared about deficits?

Trump isn't a conservative.

 

[Joe Summer]

The President can believe whatever he wants, as long as he doesn't try to defund science.