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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)

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3C said:
The Commish said:
If anything, the press is biased towards the establishment....Bernie would be getting a lot more press if they were biased towards the left.
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Yeah, I saw a segment on CNN that said the big 3 have spent a total of 2 minutes on Sanders since Labor Day. And I'd have to guess Fox hasn't spent a lot of time on him either.
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yup...sounds about right

 
Fiorina has fallen back into the pack at 6%. Since of the 3 "outsider" candidates, she's the only one who sounds even the least bit rational (only on economic issues, only part of the time) the Republican voters find her making too much sense, and that's not what they want. Meanwhile Cruz has gone up in the polls, as conservatives realize that even though he's been in office for a while, he's every bit as crazy as they want.

Of course, Trump and Carson continue to dominate, with nearly 50% of all the Republican voters between them. This means: if you are a Republican, it's officially time to be ashamed and embarrassed.

 
hmm, I did not realize that Trump actually has a path to the nomination, thanks to some shenanigans by the GOP:

Republicans did it this year with delegate selection rules that starting March 15, Super Tuesday, award candidates who win a mere plurality of the vote all of the delegates. The idea was to save Jeb Bush, or some Bush doppelganger, the trouble of a long, messy nomination fight. Among the variables left out of their equation: Donald Trump and a field the size of the Boston Marathon. Their new nightmare: seven of their 15 candidates survive to Super Tuesday, when Trump gets 24 percent of the vote and 100 percent of the delegates, including in Florida where he waves adios to Jeb and Marco Rubio. That’s right. Trump’s only possible path to victory comes via rules meant to send him packing before he broke any crockery. Nice work, fellas.
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:oldunsure:

Party establishment types are not very good at understanding the laws of unintended consequences...

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Who the #### is voting for Cruz?
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Ted Cruz Raised $12.2 Million in Quarter, Eclipsing GOP Rival Marco Rubio

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Texas Sen. Ted Cruz raised $12.2 million in the third quarter, pushing him into the upper ranks of Republican presidential hopefuls who have announced details of their fundraising hauls so far.

Mr. Cruz’s quarterly take outpaced his second-quarter number and brings his total raised this year to more than $26 million. It also spotlights his fundraising prowess, as he raised about twice as much cash in the period as Florida Sen. Marco Rubio
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Both men trail Ben Carson, who raised $20 million in the latest period and leads the GOP pack of candidates who have disclosed their figures.
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Mr. Cruz also has the support of a set of independent super PACs that raised more than $38 million in the first half of the year.
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jamny said:
timschochet said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Kasich at 2% tells you all you need to know about the party. Looks like a straight D vote for me regardless of Hillary, Bernie, or Biden.
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Whole lot of people I know saying the exact same thing, including some pretty staunch Republicans.
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Staunch Republicans will vote for Hillary over whoever gets the nom besides Kasich?
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Not Bush or Rubio. But if it's Trump, Carson or Cruz? Yeah. Or stay home. Or seek an independent.
 
The best/worst part of Trump winning the nomination is that after he loses by 200+ electoral votes, the crazies will still claim it's because he was a RINO liberal corporate shill, and that the GOP would win if only they'd nominate a true conservative.

 
Is there a new GOP thread or something? I saw a Ben Carson joke on Twitter, so I was going to post it in a Ben Carson thread or a Republican thread or a general politics thread that wasn't just about Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump, so I started scrolling down and looking for one ... then page two, then page three ... it's apparently been five days since anyone posted in a Republican thread?

Anyway...

Twitter: Like him or not, Ben Carson has forced us to ask some tough questions like "Have we been overestimating the intelligence of brain surgeons?"

Yeah, that probably wasn't worth the effort.

 
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Maurile Tremblay said:
Is there a new GOP thread or something? I saw a Ben Carson joke on Twitter, so I was going to post it in a Ben Carson thread or a Republican thread or a general politics thread that wasn't just about Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump, so I started scrolling down and looking for one ... then page two, then page three ... it's apparently been five days since anyone posted in a Republican thread?

Anyway...

Twitter: Like him or not, Ben Carson has forced us to ask some tough questions like "Have we been overestimating the intelligence of brain surgeons?"

Yeah, that probably wasn't worth the effort.
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Thankfully, rocket scientists remain unassailable.

 
The polls have stayed remarkably consistent: Trump at anywhere from 25-30%, Carson at 20% everybody else in single digits. Trump has even bigger leads in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada. And this has continued for months now.

If Donald Trunp is not going to be the nominee, as most experts continue to confidently assert, how is the change going to take place? When?

 
They need to whittle the group down to 4-6 before we really get a feel. Hopefully that happens well before Iowa. I think we all need to be prepared for a Trump nominee though.

 
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Fennis said:
Ben Carson takes break from running for President to sell some books.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ben-carson-puts-public-campaign-events-hold-weeks/story?id=34481847
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Pretty smart. He gets to stay in the public eye and media - but all the money he makes from this goes to him directly, not his campaign. I've always felt there were more GOP candidates who were running to promote their books, ratings, and personal celebrity than those who actually wanted to get elected.

 
I really like listening to Carson. He is a history buff as much as he is a politician. And I don't think it would be possible for anyone to beat him in a general election unless Obama runs a third time. It's great to watch the media squirm when they get Carson headlines. There is nothing, absolutely nothing liberals hate more than a black conservative.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Is there a new GOP thread or something? I saw a Ben Carson joke on Twitter, so I was going to post it in a Ben Carson thread or a Republican thread or a general politics thread that wasn't just about Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump, so I started scrolling down and looking for one ... then page two, then page three ... it's apparently been five days since anyone posted in a Republican thread?

Anyway...

Twitter: Like him or not, Ben Carson has forced us to ask some tough questions like "Have we been overestimating the intelligence of brain surgeons?"

Yeah, that probably wasn't worth the effort.
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You're right it wasn't worth the effort, trying to make all Republicans seem dumb is played out. That guy is a joke and his show is unhealthy for society.

 
Johnnymac said:
Jamesbrownkid said:
Dickies said:
rude classless thugs said:
Jake Tapper ‏@jaketapper

New CBS News poll national GOP:

Trump 27%

Carson 21

Cruz 9

Rubio 8

Bush/Fiorina 6

Paul 4 Christie 3

Huck/Kasich 2

Santo 1
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Good god, the three craziest are all leading the pack.
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They are crazy because the liberal media told you they are crazy and you aren't smart enough to think for yourself.
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No, they really are crazy.
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Nope, crazy are the people supporting abortion and little boys changing genders. You guys are really nutty and extreme for that.

 
dschuler said:
I really like listening to Carson. He is a history buff as much as he is a politician. And I don't think it would be possible for anyone to beat him in a general election unless Obama runs a third time. It's great to watch the media squirm when they get Carson headlines. There is nothing, absolutely nothing liberals hate more than a black conservative.
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You think liberals hate Carson? Not even close. He keeps us entertained with his ignorance.
 
dschuler said:
I really like listening to Carson. He is a history buff as much as he is a politician. And I don't think it would be possible for anyone to beat him in a general election unless Obama runs a third time. It's great to watch the media squirm when they get Carson headlines. There is nothing, absolutely nothing liberals hate more than a black conservative.
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100% spot on with that. Goes against everything they believe.
 
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Jamesbrownkid said:
Johnnymac said:
Jamesbrownkid said:
Dickies said:
rude classless thugs said:
Jake Tapper ‏@jaketapper

New CBS News poll national GOP:

Trump 27%

Carson 21

Cruz 9

Rubio 8

Bush/Fiorina 6

Paul 4 Christie 3

Huck/Kasich 2

Santo 1
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Good god, the three craziest are all leading the pack.
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They are crazy because the liberal media told you they are crazy and you aren't smart enough to think for yourself.
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No, they really are crazy.
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Nope, crazy are the people supporting abortion and little boys changing genders. You guys are really nutty and extreme for that.
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Lol :goodposting: Don't forget amnesty and open border nutjobs.

 
Historian Ben Carson says Americans were better educated in the 1830s than they are today. No, they weren’t.

You may have missed this Ben Carson gem amid the controversies that some of his other writings and/or remarks have sparked (see “Ben Carson flunks middle school history”), but the neurosurgeon, who is running for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, has written that Americans in the 1830s were better educated than they are today. He cites a test given to students to prove his point, but the problem is that the test doesn’t offer proof — and the point itself is incorrect.

Here’s a piece on this by Jud Lounsbury, who writes for The Progressive, where this first appeared and which gave me permission to republish. Following this post is the complete test to to which Carson refers.

[Here’s the famous 1895 eighth-grade test from Kansas. See how you would do.]

By Jud Louisburg



Just how much have America’s schools gone down the tubes?



According to Dr. Ben Carson, a lot — and he can prove it!



The good doctor is quick to refer you to his book, “America the Beautiful: Rediscovering What Made This Nation Great” where, he says, he has “an example of questions in a sixth grade exit exam from the 1830s. I doubt most college graduates could even come close to passing it today.”

In fact, this was one of the zingers Carson shot at President Obama during his now-famous 2013 National Prayer Breakfast speech that made him an overnight sensation on Fox News.



Intrigued, I looked up Carson’s book and found the section (“Valuing Education, Then and Now”) containing the “example questions” he likes to reference.

In the same passage of his book, Carson buttresses his claim of early American superiority with the assertion:



“In fact, when Frenchman Alexis de Tocqueville arrived in America in 1831 to decipher the secrets of our enormous economic success, he was so taken with our school system that he wrote extensively about what he saw as a unique and powerful tool to fuel a productive new nation,” and “He was particularly impressed by the fact that anyone finishing the second grade could read and write quite well. Even when he explored the frontiers, he was astonished to find common men engaging in intelligent conversation, reading the newspaper, and understanding the various branches of government.”

Carson continued:

“To gain a real appreciation of what children were expected to know in early America, one has only to look up an exit exam from middle school grades during the nineteenth century. I suspect many, if not most, college graduates today would fail that test.”

Carson then identified the following questions from the test:



Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.

· Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, and 1865.

· Show the territorial growth of the US.

· Name and locate the principal trade centers of the US.

· Name all the republics of Europe and give the capital of each.

Describe why the Atlantic Coast is colder than the Pacific at the same latitude.



Impressive questions! Kids really knew all that?!? Dang, they really were smart! And we are really dumb!



Carson is not the only one to use this test example as proof of America’s declining schools. It has been bandied about by Rush Limbaugh and is a popular talking point of many conservative politicians, including U.S. Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI). Carson found these questions not as part of his research, in some old library, but from a chain email on the internet, that got Snoped in 1999.



The questions actually are from a real test given in Salina County, Kansas, in 1895, not the 1830s, and is believed to have been given to eighth graders, not sixth graders. What Carson and others leave out is that while these were indeed six of about a 50-question test, most kids that took the test, failed. In fact, according to a Salina Journal report that reviewed the test results, only 25 percent passed the test. And considering that in this area of Kansas, only about half of the kids stayed in school all the way until eighth grade completion, it makes these six-example test questions even more meaningless.



It gets better: The Tocqueville quote that Carson uses is in his book to further back-up his claim, was thoroughly debunked by John J. Pitney Jr. in a 1995 Weekly Standard article, aptly entitled, “The Tocqueville Fraud.” Pitney writes that, “These lines are uplifting and poetic. They are also spurious. Nowhere do they appear in Democracy in America or anywhere in Tocqueville.” Pitney then tracks it to 1941 book on religion and the American dream.



Putting aside the right-wing mythology surrounding this test or the phony Tocqueville quotes for a moment, the larger point that Carson and others are trying to make is that the Americans were much more educated and knowledgeable in the 1830s, and we’d all be a lot better off, if we’d return to the old timey America from whence we came.



Ah-ha… yeah, let’s consider American life in the 1830s.



This was a time when only about half of kids went to grade school (compared to 90 to 99 percent, depending on the grade). A time before the Fair Labor Standards Act would put an end to child labor of poor white children and the 14th Amendment would put an end to slavery of African American children. Child mortality was high and the average life expectancy was only 42. Women wouldn’t be able to vote for years to come, and only a tiny fraction of Americans attended colleges and universities.



To suggest that Americans today are somehow less educated and dumber than they were in the early 1800s is absurd from any angle that you look at it. It also is yet another baffling example of how Ben Carson, a man whose central qualification for the presidency is his scientific background, can take such a decidedly unscientific approach to investigating a hypothesis.

 
Fennis said:
Historian Ben Carson says Americans were better educated in the 1830s than they are today. No, they werent.

You may have missed this Ben Carson gem amid the controversies that some of his other writings and/or remarks have sparked (see Ben Carson flunks middle school history), but the neurosurgeon, who is running for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, has written that Americans in the 1830s were better educated than they are today. He cites a test given to students to prove his point, but the problem is that the test doesnt offer proof and the point itself is incorrect.

Heres a piece on this by Jud Lounsbury, who writes for The Progressive, where this first appeared and which gave me permission to republish. Following this post is the complete test to to which Carson refers.

[Heres the famous 1895 eighth-grade test from Kansas. See how you would do.]

By Jud Louisburg



Just how much have Americas schools gone down the tubes?



According to Dr. Ben Carson, a lot and he can prove it!



The good doctor is quick to refer you to his book, America the Beautiful: Rediscovering What Made This Nation Great where, he says, he has an example of questions in a sixth grade exit exam from the 1830s. I doubt most college graduates could even come close to passing it today.

In fact, this was one of the zingers Carson shot at President Obama during his now-famous 2013 National Prayer Breakfast speech that made him an overnight sensation on Fox News.



Intrigued, I looked up Carsons book and found the section (Valuing Education, Then and Now) containing the example questions he likes to reference.

In the same passage of his book, Carson buttresses his claim of early American superiority with the assertion:





In fact, when Frenchman Alexis de Tocqueville arrived in America in 1831 to decipher the secrets of our enormous economic success, he was so taken with our school system that he wrote extensively about what he saw as a unique and powerful tool to fuel a productive new nation, and He was particularly impressed by the fact that anyone finishing the second grade could read and write quite well. Even when he explored the frontiers, he was astonished to find common men engaging in intelligent conversation, reading the newspaper, and understanding the various branches of government.
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Carson continued:


To gain a real appreciation of what children were expected to know in early America, one has only to look up an exit exam from middle school grades during the nineteenth century. I suspect many, if not most, college graduates today would fail that test.
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Carson then identified the following questions from the test:

Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.

· Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, and 1865.

· Show the territorial growth of the US.

· Name and locate the principal trade centers of the US.

· Name all the republics of Europe and give the capital of each.

Describe why the Atlantic Coast is colder than the Pacific at the same latitude.



Impressive questions! Kids really knew all that?!? Dang, they really were smart! And we are really dumb!



Carson is not the only one to use this test example as proof of Americas declining schools. It has been bandied about by Rush Limbaugh and is a popular talking point of many conservative politicians, including U.S. Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI). Carson found these questions not as part of his research, in some old library, but from a chain email on the internet, that got Snoped in 1999.



The questions actually are from a real test given in Salina County, Kansas, in 1895, not the 1830s, and is believed to have been given to eighth graders, not sixth graders. What Carson and others leave out is that while these were indeed six of about a 50-question test, most kids that took the test, failed. In fact, according to a Salina Journal report that reviewed the test results, only 25 percent passed the test. And considering that in this area of Kansas, only about half of the kids stayed in school all the way until eighth grade completion, it makes these six-example test questions even more meaningless.



It gets better: The Tocqueville quote that Carson uses is in his book to further back-up his claim, was thoroughly debunked by John J. Pitney Jr. in a 1995 Weekly Standard article, aptly entitled, The Tocqueville Fraud. Pitney writes that, These lines are uplifting and poetic. They are also spurious. Nowhere do they appear in Democracy in America or anywhere in Tocqueville. Pitney then tracks it to 1941 book on religion and the American dream.



Putting aside the right-wing mythology surrounding this test or the phony Tocqueville quotes for a moment, the larger point that Carson and others are trying to make is that the Americans were much more educated and knowledgeable in the 1830s, and wed all be a lot better off, if wed return to the old timey America from whence we came.



Ah-ha yeah, lets consider American life in the 1830s.



This was a time when only about half of kids went to grade school (compared to 90 to 99 percent, depending on the grade). A time before the Fair Labor Standards Act would put an end to child labor of poor white children and the 14th Amendment would put an end to slavery of African American children. Child mortality was high and the average life expectancy was only 42. Women wouldnt be able to vote for years to come, and only a tiny fraction of Americans attended colleges and universities.



To suggest that Americans today are somehow less educated and dumber than they were in the early 1800s is absurd from any angle that you look at it. It also is yet another baffling example of how Ben Carson, a man whose central qualification for the presidency is his scientific background, can take such a decidedly unscientific approach to investigating a hypothesis.
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I think people were smarter in a lot of ways a couple hundred years ago. People were forced to problem solve much more than they are today. They were their own painters, carpenters, dentists, doctors. Instead of specializing in one specific field, they learned to do a little bit of everything. I would recommend a tour of Mount Vernon or Monticello if you are ever in the VA/MD area. Then you can see just the versatility of the past lifestyles.

 
dschuler said:
I really like listening to Carson. He is a history buff as much as he is a politician. And I don't think it would be possible for anyone to beat him in a general election unless Obama runs a third time. It's great to watch the media squirm when they get Carson headlines. There is nothing, absolutely nothing liberals hate more than a black conservative.
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He would be annihilated in the general election. For a history buff he sure doesn't know much about history. He's a moron of breathtaking levels. He just says his stupid stuff in a calming manner and very quietly. He's a nutcase. Nobody squirms when he makes headlines. They laugh at him and his mouth breathing followers.

 
AnonymousBob said:
dschuler said:
I really like listening to Carson. He is a history buff as much as he is a politician. And I don't think it would be possible for anyone to beat him in a general election unless Obama runs a third time. It's great to watch the media squirm when they get Carson headlines. There is nothing, absolutely nothing liberals hate more than a black conservative.
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He would be annihilated in the general election. For a history buff he sure doesn't know much about history. He's a moron of breathtaking levels. He just says his stupid stuff in a calming manner and very quietly. He's a nutcase. Nobody squirms when he makes headlines. They laugh at him and his mouth breathing followers.
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Pretty hard to argue with any of this.
 
The General said:
AnonymousBob said:
dschuler said:
I really like listening to Carson. He is a history buff as much as he is a politician. And I don't think it would be possible for anyone to beat him in a general election unless Obama runs a third time. It's great to watch the media squirm when they get Carson headlines. There is nothing, absolutely nothing liberals hate more than a black conservative.
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He would be annihilated in the general election. For a history buff he sure doesn't know much about history. He's a moron of breathtaking levels. He just says his stupid stuff in a calming manner and very quietly. He's a nutcase. Nobody squirms when he makes headlines. They laugh at him and his mouth breathing followers.
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Pretty hard to argue with any of this.
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AnonymousBob said:
dschuler said:
I really like listening to Carson. He is a history buff as much as he is a politician. And I don't think it would be possible for anyone to beat him in a general election unless Obama runs a third time. It's great to watch the media squirm when they get Carson headlines. There is nothing, absolutely nothing liberals hate more than a black conservative.
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He would be annihilated in the general election. For a history buff he sure doesn't know much about history. He's a moron of breathtaking levels. He just says his stupid stuff in a calming manner and very quietly. He's a nutcase. Nobody squirms when he makes headlines. They laugh at him and his mouth breathing followers.
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:yes:

 
joffer said:
The General said:
AnonymousBob said:
dschuler said:
I really like listening to Carson. He is a history buff as much as he is a politician. And I don't think it would be possible for anyone to beat him in a general election unless Obama runs a third time. It's great to watch the media squirm when they get Carson headlines. There is nothing, absolutely nothing liberals hate more than a black conservative.
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He would be annihilated in the general election. For a history buff he sure doesn't know much about history. He's a moron of breathtaking levels. He just says his stupid stuff in a calming manner and very quietly. He's a nutcase. Nobody squirms when he makes headlines. They laugh at him and his mouth breathing followers.
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Pretty hard to argue with any of this.
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bigbottom said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
Is there a new GOP thread or something? I saw a Ben Carson joke on Twitter, so I was going to post it in a Ben Carson thread or a Republican thread or a general politics thread that wasn't just about Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump, so I started scrolling down and looking for one ... then page two, then page three ... it's apparently been five days since anyone posted in a Republican thread?

Anyway...

Twitter: Like him or not, Ben Carson has forced us to ask some tough questions like "Have we been overestimating the intelligence of brain surgeons?"

Yeah, that probably wasn't worth the effort.
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Thankfully, rocket scientists remain unassailable.
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:bowtie:

 
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