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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)

Tonight's conduct by Cruz reminded me of Smokey and the Bandit 3 when they tried to have Jerry Reed play the Bandit. Snowman ain't no bandit and Cruz ain't no Trump

 
3C said:
Galileo said:
Luntz's group pumping up Rubio...the guy reminds me of someone running for class president. Seems so rehearsed and unnatural to me...
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Fox is all in on Rubio.
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Establishment candidate, but they are probably correct in saying he's most electable.

If it's Trump vs Hillary it's going to be a war and Hillary's dirty laundry is public record, Trump's is not. I'm telling you, that guy has actual skeletons in his closet. And the Clinton influence and resources will get to it. Rubio is as clean as an Iowa teenager.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
3C said:
Galileo said:
Luntz's group pumping up Rubio...the guy reminds me of someone running for class president. Seems so rehearsed and unnatural to me...
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Fox is all in on Rubio.
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Establishment candidate, but they are probably correct in saying he's most electable. If it's Trump vs Hillary it's going to be a war and Hillary's dirty laundry is public record, Trump's is not. I'm telling you, that guy has actual skeletons in his closet. And the Clinton influence and resources will get to it. Rubio is as clean as an Iowa teenager.
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Think of all the former employees and randoms she will dig up to bash him....this should be some fun poop slinging between these two.

 
timschochet said:
It's not just that. Rubio puts Florida into play, maybe.
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Tim, the acting Governor in 2000 and 2004 was Jeb Bush, then it was 8 years of Rick Scott in '08 and '12. Yes Obama won in 2008 and 2012 but I think we know that was a different candidate. Hilary is not a given here. Florida does not need to see Rubio on the ticket...but he is there if they need him.

:whistle:

 
timschochet said:
Rubio is the most electable. They'e right about that.
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When do you see this? You wish it were Rubio running as the President. Yes he looks like a young up and comer but he is actually 45 not 35, has a terrible voting record, and every time he talks I have to turn the station after about 10-15 seconds, he simply isn't pleasant to listen to. He talks about open war with the ME, that's not good either.

Pass me what you're smoking, please.

 
If Cruz wants to live and die on the 'I'm the only candidate against pathway to citizenship' that's a failing strategy for the generals IMO.

 
Yeah, Rubio, in his big-boy shoes, is not credible as presidential timber. Complete wimp.

As Trump's VP candidate, perhaps a female governor like Haley of SC (to neutralize claims of ethnic-baiting) or Martinez of NM (same, and to attempt to attract Latinos).

 
I never considered him but to be honest I've been very impressed with Paul at these debates. Bright, sharp guy.

 
GoBirds said:
CBusAlex said:
GoBirds said:
CBusAlex said:
GoBirds said:
Odds of a Trump/Rubio ticket?
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Close to 0%. No way Rubio would torpedo his own career like that.
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Who do you think?
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Fiorina and Cruz are possibilities. More likely someone we haven't heard of, from outside the Republican brand. A mayor, a businessman... hell, even a former athlete.
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Rodman?
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Howard Stern?

Tyson?

Mel Gibson?

I could see Trump splitting his ticket. What a gambit if he offered achieving swine like Anthony Weiner the spot with his wife as Hilary's top aide

 
bolzano said:
Ministry of Pain said:
timschochet said:
It's not just that. Rubio puts Florida into play, maybe.
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Tim, the acting Governor in 2000 and 2004 was Jeb Bush, then it was 8 years of Rick Scott in '08 and '12. Yes Obama won in 2008 and 2012 but I think we know that was a different candidate. Hilary is not a given here. Florida does not need to see Rubio on the ticket...but he is there if they need him. :whistle:
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It should also be noted that Trump is destroying Rubio in Florida. Indeed, the most recent polls have them Trump 48/ Rubio 11 and Trump 41/ Rubio 18. Moreover, he's doing better vs. Clinton: Trump 47/ Clinton 44 and Rubio 46/ Clinton 46.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/296491500/CBS-News-Battleground-Tracker-Florida-January-2016

http://business.fau.edu/departments/economics/business-economics-polling/bepi-polls/index.aspx#.VqruFJXSnIW
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So you're saying he's got the dementia vote wrapped up.

 
cap said:
bolzano said:
Ministry of Pain said:
timschochet said:
It's not just that. Rubio puts Florida into play, maybe.
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Tim, the acting Governor in 2000 and 2004 was Jeb Bush, then it was 8 years of Rick Scott in '08 and '12. Yes Obama won in 2008 and 2012 but I think we know that was a different candidate. Hilary is not a given here. Florida does not need to see Rubio on the ticket...but he is there if they need him. :whistle:
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It should also be noted that Trump is destroying Rubio in Florida. Indeed, the most recent polls have them Trump 48/ Rubio 11 and Trump 41/ Rubio 18. Moreover, he's doing better vs. Clinton: Trump 47/ Clinton 44 and Rubio 46/ Clinton 46.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/296491500/CBS-News-Battleground-Tracker-Florida-January-2016

http://business.fau.edu/departments/economics/business-economics-polling/bepi-polls/index.aspx#.VqruFJXSnIW
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So you're saying he's got the dementia vote wrapped up.
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You're not much different than rednecks muttering the N word, there really isn't much difference between the two of you. Again name calling isn't going to solve anything. Whatever Donald did in disparaging minorities has more than been heaped back on him. In fact so much that it makes those still lobbing bombs look kind of silly. I don't know you well but that post is pretty lame.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
cap said:
bolzano said:
Ministry of Pain said:
timschochet said:
It's not just that. Rubio puts Florida into play, maybe.
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Tim, the acting Governor in 2000 and 2004 was Jeb Bush, then it was 8 years of Rick Scott in '08 and '12. Yes Obama won in 2008 and 2012 but I think we know that was a different candidate. Hilary is not a given here. Florida does not need to see Rubio on the ticket...but he is there if they need him. :whistle:
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It should also be noted that Trump is destroying Rubio in Florida. Indeed, the most recent polls have them Trump 48/ Rubio 11 and Trump 41/ Rubio 18. Moreover, he's doing better vs. Clinton: Trump 47/ Clinton 44 and Rubio 46/ Clinton 46.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/296491500/CBS-News-Battleground-Tracker-Florida-January-2016

http://business.fau.edu/departments/economics/business-economics-polling/bepi-polls/index.aspx#.VqruFJXSnIW
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So you're saying he's got the dementia vote wrapped up.
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You're not much different than rednecks muttering the N word, there really isn't much difference between the two of you. Again name calling isn't going to solve anything. Whatever Donald did in disparaging minorities has more than been heaped back on him. In fact so much that it makes those still lobbing bombs look kind of silly. I don't know you well but that post is pretty lame.
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Wait, what?

Nothing different between a joke about the Florida vote, and racism?

 
CNN saying that Trump has the strongest support. Meaning those that say they are voting for Trump at the moment, well over 50% of his base say they are firmly behind him, like maybe even 75%. A lot of the other candidates have bases that change with the wind.

Trump supporters are telling pollsters they basically have their mind made up. That's scary for Trump detractors, because I think Trump is just getting going. Some rushed to his campaign but it's starting to become contagious for many. Sanders went from 4% to possibly 50% once everyone got his message. Trump is still gaining support, he hasn't peaked. he is at 45% right now...what happens when 10 candidates exit the race? I don't think all of them will vote against Trump, many want to vote for a winner, that's how people operate whether you believe it or not. Folks like to support a winner. I don't see many of the folks running 2nd thru 17th really winning at much right now.

 
Good heavens, I just realized Dr. Sleepy misquoted the preamble, which he had so proudly memorized. He said "the benefits of liberty" instead of "the blessings of liberty."

 
Ministry of Pain said:
CNN saying that Trump has the strongest support. Meaning those that say they are voting for Trump at the moment, well over 50% of his base say they are firmly behind him, like maybe even 75%. A lot of the other candidates have bases that change with the wind.

Trump supporters are telling pollsters they basically have their mind made up. That's scary for Trump detractors, because I think Trump is just getting going. Some rushed to his campaign but it's starting to become contagious for many. Sanders went from 4% to possibly 50% once everyone got his message. Trump is still gaining support, he hasn't peaked. he is at 45% right now...what happens when 10 candidates exit the race? I don't think all of them will vote against Trump, many want to vote for a winner, that's how people operate whether you believe it or not. Folks like to support a winner. I don't see many of the folks running 2nd thru 17th really winning at much right now.
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Not surprised to read this. I have often argued in this forum that Trump's support is rock solid. One example:

...Trump was never going to lose these voters. They are locked in. And what many people do not understand is that these voters are more loyal to their country and the threat they perceive from illegal immigration/insecure borders than they are to the party.
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I think many would like to see this dwindled down as quick as possible.

If we have Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich(7 of 8 newspapers in Iowa endorse him), and maybe 1-2 others still wobbling before the March 1st super vote, that might get us to something that looks like this...

1. Trump

2. Rubio/Kasich

3. Cruz...I think he will lose a lot of steam after he is spanked in New Hampshire.

If those are the main choices going into March 1st, feel pretty confident trump will win plenty of these and be in a strong position if he needs to, dip into his own pockets but I don't think he will need to much int he primaries, again that makes him uber dangerous. he doesn't really need folks in the GOP to support him or not, he has legions of fans.

Trump is like a rock band right now, people are flocking to him and it's really only getting started IMO.

 
SIDA! said:
Ministry of Pain said:
CNN saying that Trump has the strongest support. Meaning those that say they are voting for Trump at the moment, well over 50% of his base say they are firmly behind him, like maybe even 75%. A lot of the other candidates have bases that change with the wind.

Trump supporters are telling pollsters they basically have their mind made up. That's scary for Trump detractors, because I think Trump is just getting going. Some rushed to his campaign but it's starting to become contagious for many. Sanders went from 4% to possibly 50% once everyone got his message. Trump is still gaining support, he hasn't peaked. he is at 45% right now...what happens when 10 candidates exit the race? I don't think all of them will vote against Trump, many want to vote for a winner, that's how people operate whether you believe it or not. Folks like to support a winner. I don't see many of the folks running 2nd thru 17th really winning at much right now.
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Not surprised to read this. I have often argued in this forum that Trump's support is rock solid. One example:

...Trump was never going to lose these voters. They are locked in. And what many people do not understand is that these voters are more loyal to their country and the threat they perceive from illegal immigration/insecure borders than they are to the party.
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I would agree with the except from your post.

People don't care about GOP/DNC as much as some folks would like to think. Only the far right and left want those titles, many Americans do not want to feel locked in to either parties.

I think the DNC is playing into Trump's hand with the vicious rhetoric of racist and bigot. Whoever is the front runner for the GOP or close is going to receive this label by the Left. A lot of folks can see thru it. A lot of DNC voters are white so they might want to stop infuriating their own base. Those terms are very inflammatory and shut down discussion. Why does the Left want to shut everyone up?

 
Ministry of Pain said:
SIDA! said:
Ministry of Pain said:
CNN saying that Trump has the strongest support. Meaning those that say they are voting for Trump at the moment, well over 50% of his base say they are firmly behind him, like maybe even 75%. A lot of the other candidates have bases that change with the wind.

Trump supporters are telling pollsters they basically have their mind made up. That's scary for Trump detractors, because I think Trump is just getting going. Some rushed to his campaign but it's starting to become contagious for many. Sanders went from 4% to possibly 50% once everyone got his message. Trump is still gaining support, he hasn't peaked. he is at 45% right now...what happens when 10 candidates exit the race? I don't think all of them will vote against Trump, many want to vote for a winner, that's how people operate whether you believe it or not. Folks like to support a winner. I don't see many of the folks running 2nd thru 17th really winning at much right now.
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Not surprised to read this. I have often argued in this forum that Trump's support is rock solid. One example:

...Trump was never going to lose these voters. They are locked in. And what many people do not understand is that these voters are more loyal to their country and the threat they perceive from illegal immigration/insecure borders than they are to the party.
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I would agree with the except from your post. People don't care about GOP/DNC as much as some folks would like to think. Only the far right and left want those titles, many Americans do not want to feel locked in to either parties.

I think the DNC is playing into Trump's hand with the vicious rhetoric of racist and bigot. Whoever is the front runner for the GOP or close is going to receive this label by the Left. A lot of folks can see thru it. A lot of DNC voters are white so they might want to stop infuriating their own base. Those terms are very inflammatory and shut down discussion. Why does the Left want to shut everyone up?
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Unbelievable. You're actually blaming TrumpBeing called a racist and bigot on the left calling every Republican that?

Have you even paid attention to Trump's speeches? It's not "vicious" to call him a bigot. It's accurate. And it's not a leftist thing either; plenty of conservatives have called him that as well.

Sometimes I can't believe I'm reading this stuff.

 
All those saying Trump had made a mistake in not debating seem to have disappeared. Not only did Trump dominate the news, Ted Cruz looked bad tonight. I'm still not totally positive Cruz won't find some way to pull Iowa out, but whatever those chances were they were diminished tonight.

I've never seen anything like this. This could be the nastiest general election we've ever seen. If Trump does indeed win the nomination, as soon as that wraps up he's going to turn his fire and manipulation of the narrative on to Hillary. She's a much tougher figure for him in my opinion, but I'm not sure anyone can sustain under the constant pressure Trump can place on you. He commands the spotlight and it's just a steady bombardment.. Just a few weeks ago I'd have never thought Trump could win the nomination, much less compete in the general.

 
timschochet said:
Unbelievable. You're actually blaming TrumpBeing called a racist and bigot on the left calling every Republican that?

Have you even paid attention to Trump's speeches? It's not "vicious" to call him a bigot. It's accurate. And it's not a leftist thing either; plenty of conservatives have called him that as well.

Sometimes I can't believe I'm reading this stuff.
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Is Trump saying racist things every time he speaks? He was host of a very popular and credible reality TV show which has now lent credibility to him running wild on social media in the social media era. Trump is pulverizing folks at the ir own game or he knew the rules better than most. I understood why politicians from the GOP were getting pushed around but the tune has not changed since this started. No one is surging in the polls to the degree Trump has. The Rubio surge in Iowa if there is one likely are voters coming to him from others dropping out or lack of traction and their supporters have already faced the inevitable.

I could see Rubio gathering anti-Trump votes but he wasn't attacking Trump tonight. Feels like Trump might have feelers or possible "I will pick you" deals going on if certain candidates stay out of his way. I think Rubio has his own problems so he can't focus on Trump, at the moment he is focused on Cruz, actually think that is his best move. If Rubio can slide into 2nd place somehow he has a shot to possibly derail some of Trump's steam but people are not going to chip away at his base and that makes it tough.

 
Cruz really had a bad night. Lot of the audience booing him and that's why I said Cruz is a real niche, much more so than Trump. I really would be surprised if he wins handily in Iowa.

Trump 48 v Rubio 11 in Florida, that's pretty telling. Trump has 4-5 more votes in the guy's backyard. Why are we even discussing the rest of the field outside of Cruz right now? And in 2-3 weeks people will stop talking about Cruz.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Cruz really had a bad night. Lot of the audience booing him and that's why I said Cruz is a real niche, much more so than Trump. I really would be surprised if he wins handily in Iowa.

Trump 48 v Rubio 11 in Florida, that's pretty telling. Trump has 4-5 more votes in the guy's backyard. Why are we even discussing the rest of the field outside of Cruz right now? And in 2-3 weeks people will stop talking about Cruz.
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Because whoever comes in second in New Hampshire is going to be the frontrunner to challenge Trump. And right now, its very unclear who that will be.

 
whoknew said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Cruz really had a bad night. Lot of the audience booing him and that's why I said Cruz is a real niche, much more so than Trump. I really would be surprised if he wins handily in Iowa.

Trump 48 v Rubio 11 in Florida, that's pretty telling. Trump has 4-5 more votes in the guy's backyard. Why are we even discussing the rest of the field outside of Cruz right now? And in 2-3 weeks people will stop talking about Cruz.
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Because whoever comes in second in New Hampshire is going to be the frontrunner to challenge Trump. And right now, its very unclear who that will be.
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I don't disagree but the numbers in 2008 and 2012...let me just check my stats a second...look at 2008.

Huckabee won 8 states according to the records. Romney got less than half a million more votes overall than Huckabee. McCain of course would collect the rest. McCain was the establishment, Huckabee was the independent, Romney also pretty much establishment.

2012 you see that Romney got about the same number of votes overall as McCain in 2008, Santorum took over the Huckabee role earning 11 states if you can believe it. Newt got 2.7 million votes, Paul about 2.1 million.

Trump is not really going thru the same path that McCain and Romney went thru in '08 and '12. Feels like a lot of folks have looked over the field and Trump seems like a viable option at this point.

 
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