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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (1 Viewer)

Drudge with post debate numbers...

Trump 59% 173,500 votes

Cruz 19% 57,000 votes

Rubio 7%

Paul 7%

rest of the field...nobody over 1%, Paul helped to get himself back on the map at least. Cruz has dropped from the mid 20s. Rubio still holding steady in single digits.

 
I just realized what Trump pulling of the debate reminded me of - the season 1 finale of Alpha House where Senator Bettencourt has to be in a debate and decides to let his idiot opponents debate amongst themselves. :lmao:

 
Lol @ wanting to make America great again = bigotry
What the #### is your problem with America right now?
The fact that about 100 million Americans aren't participating in the labor force.

Record numbers of people are on government assistance of some kind.

The ones who are working feature a significant number who are underemployed or making less than they were before the recession.

The average American family doesn't really have any assets and lives paycheck to paycheck

Even though families have both parents working they are still barely able to tread water, let alone get ahead and accumulate wealth

The economy is smoke and mirrors built on zero interest rates and money that the government prints nonstop

Our national debt is in the trillions

Our stature as a world economic, military and political superpower has been weakened

The American working class as a whole is getting decimated be it low skilled workers from illegals, working class/blue collar jobs due to free trade and exporting of jobs overseas, higher skilled upper middle class from H1B visas

Our national security and the safety of our people is compromised by incompetence, political correctness and naivete when it comes to our borders, visa and immigration policies

Just to name a few things that bother me.

 
Drudge with post debate numbers...

Trump 59% 173,500 votes

Cruz 19% 57,000 votes

Rubio 7%

Paul 7%

rest of the field...nobody over 1%, Paul helped to get himself back on the map at least. Cruz has dropped from the mid 20s. Rubio still holding steady in single digits.
Fox tried so very hard to make it sound like Trump was making a huge mistake by skipping the debate...their credibility is shrinking by the hour during this election cycle...bout time.

 
Drudge with post debate numbers...

Trump 59% 173,500 votes

Cruz 19% 57,000 votes

Rubio 7%

Paul 7%

rest of the field...nobody over 1%, Paul helped to get himself back on the map at least. Cruz has dropped from the mid 20s. Rubio still holding steady in single digits.
Fox tried so very hard to make it sound like Trump was making a huge mistake by skipping the debate...their credibility is shrinking by the hour during this election cycle...bout time.
Fox News thinks they are the Godfather and that every GOPer should kiss the ring... Trump has exposed them.

 
good moderation by Fox btw.
Actually Fox did do a good job, for the second time. The Dem debates have been nowhere as tough on their two main candidates.

Watching the use of video of past statements it occurred to me that one reason Trump stayed away, maybe the real reason, was he knew they would be playing back prior statements by the candidates and Trump has a plethora of live commentary where he's contradicted himself, even just back to 2015. He was going to be hammered.

 
Drudge with post debate numbers...

Trump 59% 173,500 votes

Cruz 19% 57,000 votes

Rubio 7%

Paul 7%

rest of the field...nobody over 1%, Paul helped to get himself back on the map at least. Cruz has dropped from the mid 20s. Rubio still holding steady in single digits.
When does the rest of the field start dropping out? They don't have a chance in hell, time to go.

 
Lol @ wanting to make America great again = bigotry
What the #### is your problem with America right now?
The fact that about 100 million Americans aren't participating in the labor force.

Yeah, it's a real shame how people are happily retiring, staying in school longer and staying at home to raise children at increased rates these days.

Record numbers of people are on government assistance of some kind.

Again, this includes retiring baby boomers. It's demographics, not a change in social policy or a reflection on the economy

The ones who are working feature a significant number who are underemployed or making less than they were before the recession.

Real wages have been fairly stagnant, which isn't ideal, But it's not like it's tearing the country's economy apart- our per capita GDP is still by far the highest on earth. Welcome to capitalism. If you want the government to artificially distribute that wealth and boost employment/wages, Sanders is the candidate for you. Trump has proposed nothing in the way of a jobs program- he's not even gonna have Americans build that wall.

The average American family doesn't really have any assets and lives paycheck to paycheck

See above. Also, link?

Even though families have both parents working they are still barely able to tread water, let alone get ahead and accumulate wealth

See above. Also, link?

The economy is smoke and mirrors built on zero interest rates and money that the government prints nonstop

Yeah well, that's just like, your opinion, man

Our national debt is in the trillions

So you support the candidate who proposes to add many trillions more through tax cuts for the rich? Man, I can't believe Trump supporters get a bad rap!

Our stature as a world economic, military and political superpower has been weakened

No it hasn't. The economic proof is in the GDP numbers, and our military and political status recovered significantly since the Iraq war debacle. I suspect what you mean is that we're not running around like a bunch of ###hole cowboys defying the wishes of the planet like we did during the W presidency. Most people would say that's a good thing. I know the families of the soldiers who died in Iraq sure would.

The American working class as a whole is getting decimated be it low skilled workers from illegals, working class/blue collar jobs due to free trade and exporting of jobs overseas, higher skilled upper middle class from H1B visas

Pretty much every economist on earth totally disagrees with you on these points, certainly on the first two, so do you mind providing some links to support those?

Our national security and the safety of our people is compromised by incompetence, political correctness and naivete when it comes to our borders, visa and immigration policies

Ah- I KNEW there was a reason we've been hit by all these terrorist attacks lately. Thanks a lot, Obama!

Seriously- if the residents of cities who might actually get hit by a large-scale terrorist attack are willing to live with that risk in the name of protecting the values this nation was founded upon, how about the rest of you grow a pair?

Just to name a few things that bother me.

What about the dirty immigrants from third world cesspools you mentioned last week?
 
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So you guys watched this thing? First thing asked was about Trump....I turned the channel. What's the point? However, reading back, if Cruz was as bad as this thread is claiming, I missed it :kicksrock:

 
So you guys watched this thing? First thing asked was about Trump....I turned the channel. What's the point? However, reading back, if Cruz was as bad as this thread is claiming, I missed it :kicksrock:
Not just this thread, CNN was saying it was his worst night of the campaign.

Front page of the Des Moines Register "Rough Night for Cruz"

 
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I've shown up for every election that I've been eligible to vote in to dutifully cast my vote for a third party. This year might just be the first year that I say #### this #### and just stay home on election day. If Clinton vs. Trump is really the best our electoral process can come up with, I don't know that I want to participate anymore.

 
I've shown up for every election that I've been eligible to vote in to dutifully cast my vote for a third party. This year might just be the first year that I say #### this #### and just stay home on election day. If Clinton vs. Trump is really the best our electoral process can come up with, I don't know that I want to participate anymore.
Don't let them take away your moxie IK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
So we got to the 7th debate last night which means that we are mere hours from the first bunch of corn farmer a standing in corners at a VFW hall under Rand, Jeb and Trump banners and I have to think that nobody thought we'd be quite here

I watched the entire debate and caught a bunch of Trump's thing on a live YouTube feed, so here we go with winners/losers and Jeb

Winners

Trump. Yeah he sounded like he was hosting a bingo night at the VFW most of the time as he was listing off donation amounts from random Iowans but people watched because..well he's Trump

Joey Chestnut. $1400

Gordon Schumway $150

John Elis Bush $3.50

But really the fact that he first 25 minutes for the Foxdebate were all questions about Trump tells you that he really is the elephant in a room of asses

Joanie Mitchell $300

Eric Trump $140,000

Roger Rabbit $500

But the real reason Trump won was because FoxNews did a very nice job with putting the videos in front of the candidates to answer to and Trump would have been destroyed with that

Howard Stern $4500

Howard Dean $40

Howard Duck $67

Rand Paul. Maybe only because he got invited back to the big kid table or because while he was there he actually made sense. I did not go into this cycle with any affection for little Rand but have warmed to him but still can't fully embrace him. He is like a hemorrhoid, just when you thought he was dead he comes back. Loved his rant about how prosecution of petty drug crimes has disproportionally destroys black lives but there was one point at the end when everybody was pulling a Carson where he was asked about Abortion being a state or federal issue where he seemed completely flustered, I have never seen him not come out with such a wishy-washy answer before

Did like the fact he fixed whatever the hell is happening on his head, for the first time it did no look like he a pubic hair Brillo pad on his head.

Big Chris.

He got to be Trump for the day, as he is easily the loudest most boisterous one on the stage but when you look like you spilled mustard on your tie it is never going to look presidential

The thing with Christie is he repeats himself all the time, it's like watching Friends the same jokes get made a hundred times. We get it, you were a US attorney the day after 9/11 (or was it the day before) and you, as a governor, have to get things done and Joey is stupid and Courtney Cox is hot we get it. He is like Rudy when it comes to content, it's all police and terrorism all the time

BUT he had some of the best lines of the night including the one about the Clintons having had their last chance at public housing. He also said "There have been multiple investigations that have proven that I knew nothing" which is probably not far from the truth.

Megyn Kelly. She got a lot of airtime leading up to this debate and was rightfully exonerated by anybody with a brain. Reporters are supposed to be allowed to ask tough questions, or are we in Stalingrad?? Although I think the fact that she opened the first few debate questions with Trump did show that he got the better of her

FoxNews. Tim Russert would have been proud, showing clips of the candidates saying what they said as opposed to just quoting them was fantastic.

The losers

Jeb

He was actually kind of good yesterday, like the kid in the playground when the bully was suspended and he is finally able to hang with his friend but everybody has seen the real Jeb and that isn't a pretty sight because he has the confidence of a mouse. Between his campaign and Right to Rise they have spent $50,000,000 so far and he has as much traction as that O'Malley guy. For context, Trump has spent $4million, Cruz $4.2million even Rubio has spent $10 million. Jeb has spent 5 times what Rubio has spent and he will be remembered as Trump's #####

Megyn Kelly's hair

What the hell happened there. Here is a word of advice, don't cut your hair short ever

Rubio

The more you hear Rubio, the more you feel like you are in a twilight zone episode. The world is crashing and Marco tells you that the sun is yellow, for all the talk of him being such a masterful politician it always shocks me with how out of touch he is with reality. The guy is a complete robot and I am now convinced that he was built by his creator (not that creator but some dude in Silicon Valley) for a social experiment to see if they could create the perfect candidate. He has the looks, the story, the hot wife, the beautiful family and has every single talking point at the tip of his tongue. The problem is like any robot he cannot show genuine emotion, and when he tries it looks forced. A robot also has a problem when you go off the expected subject. Ask him about banking regulation and goes off on Hillary, ask him about the auto industry and he goes to his Obama and Hillary stump speech ask him if he prefers ice cream or cake and he says that we can never let Hillary Rodham Clinton be president

Plus tried to program some extra Christ-y stuff for this Iowa model and it fell a flat as the earth.

Those big ears are actually transistors to get the information back from Google Headquarters

Cruz

To make a boxing analogy there are brawlers, tactical dodgers, punchers and counter punchers. Trump is a puncher, Rubio is a dodger, Jeb is a punching bag and Cruz is a counter puncher and what that means is that without Trump throwing haymakers, Cruz is out of his element. He cannot get any traction because he does not know how to be the front runner. His shtick is that he is the anti establishment and he showed yesterday that he can't play from in front. Terrible night for Cruz

Kasich

I have his Christmas card hanging in my kitchen next to one from my cousin and one from my yard guy and am about to put all of those out in the recycling bin. I love Christmas cards and think they are one of the most endearing parts of the holiday season but everybody seems happy to just send an e-card at this point or give my kid some huge plastic toy which will get a bunch of wows but then ends up in a pile of crap in the basement within a week. Maybe people will come back to their senses and realize that there is something nice about a Christmas card but I doubt it

Carson. I almost forgot about him

 
CNN announcing second lowest rating of any of the debates last night.

Trump is going to be all over this...pretty amazing how much power/leverage he has manufactured.

 
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CNN announcing second lowest rating of any of the debates last night.

Trump is going to be all over this...pretty amazing how much power/leverage he has manufactured.
the CNBC and FoxBusinessNews ones were around 11 million

the last FoxNews one was 25 million

the last CNN one was 18 million

 
CNN announcing second lowest rating of any of the debates last night.

Trump is going to be all over this...pretty amazing how much power/leverage he has manufactured.
And the stations (plural) that covered Trump got 1/4 of the viewers that the debate did. Trumping the debate figures up could backfire.

 
CNN announcing second lowest rating of any of the debates last night.

Trump is going to be all over this...pretty amazing how much power/leverage he has manufactured.
the CNBC and FoxBusinessNews ones were around 11 millionthe last FoxNews one was 25 million

the last CNN one was 18 million
Drudge has "up to 13 million"
wow.. the Trump Bump is worth about 5 million viewers.. that has to make Roger Ailes feel some butt hurt

 
CNN announcing second lowest rating of any of the debates last night.

Trump is going to be all over this...pretty amazing how much power/leverage he has manufactured.
the CNBC and FoxBusinessNews ones were around 11 millionthe last FoxNews one was 25 million

the last CNN one was 18 million
Drudge has "up to 13 million"
wow.. the Trump Bump is worth about 5 million viewers.. that has to make Roger Ailes feel some butt hurt
yep, not good for them and is a real, quantifiable measure of his power

 
CNN announcing second lowest rating of any of the debates last night.

Trump is going to be all over this...pretty amazing how much power/leverage he has manufactured.
the CNBC and FoxBusinessNews ones were around 11 millionthe last FoxNews one was 25 million

the last CNN one was 18 million
Drudge has "up to 13 million"
wow.. the Trump Bump is worth about 5 million viewers.. that has to make Roger Ailes feel some butt hurt
yep, not good for them and is a real, quantifiable measure of his power
Wait, why? Wasn't the last debate 11 million? And this one was 13 million?

 
Does anyone think Trump lost anything by not being there tonight?
I don't know if you can believe the Frank Luntz focus group but the overall consensus by them was they didn't think Trump would win Iowa.
I am dubious of anything Luntz does.

-QG
Yeah, I agree, his panels seem predesigned for sure.

But there's not really much reliably quantifiable to go on right now.
Nate Silver's forecast gives Trump a 48% chance of winning Iowa - the highest of any candidate.

 
So disappointed in Rubio. If he had an ounce of charisma and a hint of positivity he could run away from Cruz et al and truly be the non-Trump option but holy #### is he pandering hard to the base. I get why but it's so disingenuous.

 
So disappointed in Rubio. If he had an ounce of charisma and a hint of positivity he could run away from Cruz et al and truly be the non-Trump option but holy #### is he pandering hard to the base. I get why but it's so disingenuous.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't unfortunately.

If he doesn't pander to the base, he'd be down with Kasich and Christie in the polls.

Politics sucks.

 
I thought Kasich did well last night. Will be interesting to see if he catches a little momentum with his poll numbers looking so good in NH.

 
And can you believe Kasich response "It's best not to discuss back doors"

Back doors may not be popular with evangelicals... But to average Americans like me these are important issues!

 
CNN announcing second lowest rating of any of the debates last night.

Trump is going to be all over this...pretty amazing how much power/leverage he has manufactured.
And the stations (plural) that covered Trump got 1/4 of the viewers that the debate did. Trumping the debate figures up could backfire.
Nopers - Trump has framed it so people only remember $6m and that the tiny venue he chose was oversold (when all tickets were free and required no donation to charity). He's good at creating astroturf.

-QG

 
Does anyone think Trump lost anything by not being there tonight?
I don't know if you can believe the Frank Luntz focus group but the overall consensus by them was they didn't think Trump would win Iowa.
I am dubious of anything Luntz does.

-QG
Yeah, I agree, his panels seem predesigned for sure.

But there's not really much reliably quantifiable to go on right now.
Luntz released a poll showing a 3-way Trump/Hillary/Bloomberg race as a virtual dead heat (Bloomberg showing up at 29%).

I'm convinced that he is likely angling for work with the latter and his deep pockets.

-QG

 
CNN announcing second lowest rating of any of the debates last night.

Trump is going to be all over this...pretty amazing how much power/leverage he has manufactured.
the CNBC and FoxBusinessNews ones were around 11 millionthe last FoxNews one was 25 million

the last CNN one was 18 million
Drudge has "up to 13 million"
wow.. the Trump Bump is worth about 5 million viewers.. that has to make Roger Ailes feel some butt hurt
yep, not good for them and is a real, quantifiable measure of his power
Wait, why? Wasn't the last debate 11 million? And this one was 13 million?
the ones on the major cable networks (CNN, FoxNews) have been averaging 20 million

the ones on the minor cable networks (FoxBusiness, CNBC) have been averaging 11 million

I'm sure that the Trump campaign will compare this to the previous ones on FoxNews and CNN

 
So disappointed in Rubio. If he had an ounce of charisma and a hint of positivity he could run away from Cruz et al and truly be the non-Trump option but holy #### is he pandering hard to the base. I get why but it's so disingenuous.
as I said earlier.. Rubio is a robot

The more you hear Rubio, the more you feel like you are in a twilight zone episode. The world is crashing and Marco tells you that the sun is yellow, for all the talk of him being such a masterful politician it always shocks me with how out of touch he is with reality. The guy is a complete robot and I am now convinced that he was built by his creator (not that creator but some dude in Silicon Valley) for a social experiment to see if they could create the perfect candidate. He has the looks, the story, the hot wife, the beautiful family and has every single talking point at the tip of his tongue. The problem is like any robot he cannot show genuine emotion, and when he tries it looks forced. A robot also has a problem when you go off the expected subject. Ask him about banking regulation and goes off on Hillary, ask him about the auto industry and he goes to his Obama and Hillary stump speech ask him if he prefers ice cream or cake and he says that we can never let Hillary Rodham Clinton be president Plus tried to program some extra Christ-y stuff for this Iowa model and it fell a flat as the earth.

Those big ears are actually transistors to get the information back from Google Headquarters
 
Mea culpa - the situation really hurt Cruz as they all went after him and he handled it poorly.

And I get why. Part of the secret is when he was arguing with the Fox Moderator about the definition of a debate.

Cruz is a debate champion - in that structured competitive debate sense - where a question/issue is laid out and you either have to support or refute the premise of the topic. In this scenario you are debating facts - you are not debating the people presenting the facts.

But of course, that's not how a Presidential Debate works - the candidate himself is fair game but this is something that classic debater Ted Cruz is not accustomed to.

It's the difference between Olympic-style wrestling and the WWE. And when Cruz is getting hit the by the chair is left stunned and doesn't know how to handle it.

Anyway my bad - this scenario worked out brutally for Cruz. He did not take advantage of the opportunity that Trump gave to him. Frankly none of them were really that strong, save Paul a little bit but he's saying things that audience doesn't want to hear. His answer regarding Ferguson actually was quite excellent - I'll note that cagily Fox took a commercial break immediately after that before any of the other candidates had to answer it and likely embarrass themselves.

-QG

 
So disappointed in Rubio. If he had an ounce of charisma and a hint of positivity he could run away from Cruz et al and truly be the non-Trump option but holy #### is he pandering hard to the base. I get why but it's so disingenuous.
as I said earlier.. Rubio is a robot

The more you hear Rubio, the more you feel like you are in a twilight zone episode. The world is crashing and Marco tells you that the sun is yellow, for all the talk of him being such a masterful politician it always shocks me with how out of touch he is with reality. The guy is a complete robot and I am now convinced that he was built by his creator (not that creator but some dude in Silicon Valley) for a social experiment to see if they could create the perfect candidate. He has the looks, the story, the hot wife, the beautiful family and has every single talking point at the tip of his tongue. The problem is like any robot he cannot show genuine emotion, and when he tries it looks forced. A robot also has a problem when you go off the expected subject. Ask him about banking regulation and goes off on Hillary, ask him about the auto industry and he goes to his Obama and Hillary stump speech ask him if he prefers ice cream or cake and he says that we can never let Hillary Rodham Clinton be president Plus tried to program some extra Christ-y stuff for this Iowa model and it fell a flat as the earth.

Those big ears are actually transistors to get the information back from Google Headquarters
Righetti should direct a commercial for a super-PAC going after Rubey the Robot :D

-QG

 
good moderation by Fox btw.
Actually Fox did do a good job, for the second time. The Dem debates have been nowhere as tough on their two main candidates.

Watching the use of video of past statements it occurred to me that one reason Trump stayed away, maybe the real reason, was he knew they would be playing back prior statements by the candidates and Trump has a plethora of live commentary where he's contradicted himself, even just back to 2015. He was going to be hammered.
FOX has, by far, the best moderator team. They ask challenging questions and even follow-up when the candidate says something questionable.

Chris Wallace is fantastic. He does the same thing on Fox News Sunday, but Democrats shy away from Fox so it's normally only Republican candidates who are forced to defend their records on his show.

 
The worst for Cruz was when he started whining. Very un presidential.
Every time a candidate has whined (particularly when they complain they are not getting enough time) it looks terrible. I have no idea why they do this time and again.

-QG
I thought it was just Cruz trying to ape a Trump vibe... but he forget a key part of Trump, he's generally charismatic and likable.

Cruz would be better off in a Deek Cheney mold of being a cold, unfeeling hard ### who occasionally wins you over with a dry quip.

Any of these guys going for humor, save for Christie who can get a line off once in a while, is a disaster. Stick to policy and not your pre-written zingers

 
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So disappointed in Rubio. If he had an ounce of charisma and a hint of positivity he could run away from Cruz et al and truly be the non-Trump option but holy #### is he pandering hard to the base. I get why but it's so disingenuous.
as I said earlier.. Rubio is a robot

The more you hear Rubio, the more you feel like you are in a twilight zone episode. The world is crashing and Marco tells you that the sun is yellow, for all the talk of him being such a masterful politician it always shocks me with how out of touch he is with reality. The guy is a complete robot and I am now convinced that he was built by his creator (not that creator but some dude in Silicon Valley) for a social experiment to see if they could create the perfect candidate. He has the looks, the story, the hot wife, the beautiful family and has every single talking point at the tip of his tongue. The problem is like any robot he cannot show genuine emotion, and when he tries it looks forced. A robot also has a problem when you go off the expected subject. Ask him about banking regulation and goes off on Hillary, ask him about the auto industry and he goes to his Obama and Hillary stump speech ask him if he prefers ice cream or cake and he says that we can never let Hillary Rodham Clinton be president Plus tried to program some extra Christ-y stuff for this Iowa model and it fell a flat as the earth.

Those big ears are actually transistors to get the information back from Google Headquarters
Dazed Marco Rubio Wakes Up in Koch Compound to find Cold Metal Device Installed Behind Ear

 
Lol @ wanting to make America great again = bigotry
What the #### is your problem with America right now?
The fact that about 100 million Americans aren't participating in the labor force.

Yeah, it's a real shame how people are happily retiring, staying in school longer and staying at home to raise children at increased rates these days.

Record numbers of people are on government assistance of some kind.

Again, this includes retiring baby boomers. It's demographics, not a change in social policy or a reflection on the economy

The ones who are working feature a significant number who are underemployed or making less than they were before the recession.

Real wages have been fairly stagnant, which isn't ideal, But it's not like it's tearing the country's economy apart- our per capita GDP is still by far the highest on earth. Welcome to capitalism. If you want the government to artificially distribute that wealth and boost employment/wages, Sanders is the candidate for you. Trump has proposed nothing in the way of a jobs program- he's not even gonna have Americans build that wall.

The average American family doesn't really have any assets and lives paycheck to paycheck

See above. Also, link?

Even though families have both parents working they are still barely able to tread water, let alone get ahead and accumulate wealth

See above. Also, link?

The economy is smoke and mirrors built on zero interest rates and money that the government prints nonstop

Yeah well, that's just like, your opinion, man
Is this real? I am going to stick to the first half of your responses.

We are still in the shadows of the second biggest economic downturn in American history and you think that after billions upon billions of household wealth was wiped out things are just fine and humming along?

It is fascinating to hear on one hand the left bemoan the transfer and consolidation of wealth in the hands of the rich and then simultaneously suggest that the average American is doing just fine now. Really?

How is that possible with the viewpoint espoused by so many in these threads.

I will tell you why people are "happily retiring, staying in school longer and raising a family at home."

Because they can't find a job. There wasn't some great epiphany springing forth out of a quasi economic depression where people said...you know...I can't find a job...so I am just going to retire and go RVing across the country or raise my kids instead of sending them to daycare.

People retired because they couldn't find jobs. Many have been permanently axed from their line of work. Only in TF's world do a bunch of workers near retirement age see their home values get crushed, lose their jobs and watch their retirement savings get hammered and then decide...nah...I didn't need that stuff anyway. :lmao:

More people are staying in school longer and stretching their degree process out, going back to school to get higher education goals met, etc., because it is very simple. If you can't find a job...you might as well go to school and try to make your skill set more competitive. But even if you can't really make your skill set all that much more competitive...at the very least by going back to school you suspend your student loan payments until after you graduate.

And on top of that...the government will give you loans above and beyond your tuition so that you can then use that money to help pay the bills on the home front.

And yeah...after decades of feminism women just decided to go back home and be stay at home moms after the great recession? I know people who pay $1,500 a month or more for child care/pre school for one kid. Parents aren't staying home because they are all trying to be better parents. They are staying home because the jobs that they can find pay less than they were making before and after you factor in schlepping off to work for the man for 40 hours a week plus commute time and costs, that after taxes and paying for day care you begin to wonder why the hell are you working just to pay the day care.

Then you want to point to baby boomers leaving the workforce as another support data point? Explain to me why workforce participation for 55+ year olds is basically at an all time high? They just working side jobs so they can take the grand kids to Disneyland next weekend? Puhlease.

It is the twilight zone up in here.

 

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