Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)

[SaintsInDome2006]

Trump canceled an event in NH?

If you've been to New Hampshire and New England, you know there's nothing that New Englanders love more than rich New York City types who complain about the snow and roads.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Trump canceled an event in NH?

Snark aside, I'm thinking he's either overconfident or he's seen some writing on the wall.

Or he's an old lazy wimp who can't take the elements.

 

[Rove!]

Kathleen McKinley ‏@KatMcKinley

NYT: Why Cuz/Rubio not historic "Neither Mr. Cruz nor Mr. Rubio meets conventional expectations of how Latino pols are supposed to behave"

This is so AWFUL.

NYT - "Obama not really black either".

it's racist

Can you link the actual tweet/article? Your link just goes to some MILF's twitter page.

ETA: Never mind, I googled it. As expected it's a silly misrepresentation of the actual column (just one guy, not the Times editorial staff BTW), which talks about why their win/3rd place showing are not being "celebrated as historic, or at least worth a headline or two." The idea is that Latinos do not embrace them, thus no celebration. The column then goes on cite a number of examples of the Latino community rejecting them, including a Univision anchor and the country's largest Spanish-language newspaper, and then goes into more nuanced stuff about "Latino political culture."

So, that woman is full of ####. Nice-looking, though.

Even in context, that's still pretty racist. About a third of Latinos, give or take, skew right, so it's pretty insulting. The word " behave" is especially poorly chosen.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Kathleen McKinley ‏@KatMcKinley

NYT: Why Cuz/Rubio not historic "Neither Mr. Cruz nor Mr. Rubio meets conventional expectations of how Latino pols are supposed to behave"

This is so AWFUL.

NYT - "Obama not really black either".

it's racist

Can you link the actual tweet/article? Your link just goes to some MILF's twitter page.

ETA: Never mind, I googled it. As expected it's a silly misrepresentation of the actual column (just one guy, not the Times editorial staff BTW), which talks about why their win/3rd place showing are not being "celebrated as historic, or at least worth a headline or two." The idea is that Latinos do not embrace them, thus no celebration. The column then goes on cite a number of examples of the Latino community rejecting them, including a Univision anchor and the country's largest Spanish-language newspaper, and then goes into more nuanced stuff about "Latino political culture."

So, that woman is full of ####. Nice-looking, though.

Even in context, that's still pretty racist. About a third of Latinos, give or take, skew used to skew right, so it's pretty insulting. The word " behave" is especially poorly chosen.

FYP

 

[Skoo]

Apparently you can't constantly talk about minorities in a negative light and then expect those same minorities to cheer for you.

Who knew?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So Christie abandoned his campaign for a Springsteen show. Just like he's abandoned his day job.

-QG

If the campaign event featured a buffet he would have had a hard choice

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CadlvtZWAAAdgQB.jpg

 

[lod01]

So you R's, if you win the WH, you will have control of the Presidency, the Senate and the House. Give me your top 10 things that will change for the good. Even 5 if you can muster up that many. For example, 'The debt will start to be paid down'. 'Wages will go up'. 'Taxes for middle class will be cut.' 'Cuts will be made to welfare losers'.

Just tell me how glorious it's going to be with R's running everything.

You can't use 'we will get to keep our guns' because you were never losing them anyway or negatives like 'raising the SS retirement age'.

I'm trying to figure out why I would vote in a loser like Rubio or Cruz in case one of those 2 hammerheads somehow gets the nomination over Trump.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Apparently you can't constantly talk about minorities in a negative light and then expect those same minorities to cheer for you.

Who knew?

What's the proper way to refer to Rubio and Cruz as they edge closer to going full Trump? Tio Tom, or Uncle Tomas?

 

[SIDA!]

Apparently you can't constantly talk about minorities in a negative light and then expect those same minorities to cheer for you.

Who knew?

Cruz and Rubio talk negatively about minorities?

 

[Todem]

So you R's, if you win the WH, you will have control of the Presidency, the Senate and the House. Give me your top 10 things that will change for the good. Even 5 if you can muster up that many. For example, 'The debt will start to be paid down'. 'Wages will go up'. 'Taxes for middle class will be cut.' 'Cuts will be made to welfare losers'.

Just tell me how glorious it's going to be with R's running everything.

You can't use 'we will get to keep our guns' because you were never losing them anyway or negatives like 'raising the SS retirement age'.

I'm trying to figure out why I would vote in a loser like Rubio or Cruz in case one of those 2 hammerheads somehow gets the nomination over Trump.

Who knows.

I mean really. Who knows. If the Democrats did not have such weak candidates this year they would win again in a landslide (because the GOP has a ton of garbage in the top 3). But you have a confessed socialist and a fraud running on your side. Sanders is genuine....but he is an absolute socialist. This is America not Canada or Sweden. Sorry bud....can't support that line of thinking....ever.

It's a #### show of an election this year. Utter #### show.

 

[Higgs]

How does the Latino vote really matter in this election? There's only 25.4 million eligible Hispanic voters in the US, and 7 million of them are in California which we already know is going to a Democrat no matter what. So are we really that concerned with 18 million Latino voters? Out of 319 million eligible US voters? I know every vote counts, but I have to imagine that the Republicans are winning more white votes with their immigration policies than they are losing Hispanic votes.

 

[lod01]

So you R's, if you win the WH, you will have control of the Presidency, the Senate and the House. Give me your top 10 things that will change for the good. Even 5 if you can muster up that many. For example, 'The debt will start to be paid down'. 'Wages will go up'. 'Taxes for middle class will be cut.' 'Cuts will be made to welfare losers'.

Just tell me how glorious it's going to be with R's running everything.

You can't use 'we will get to keep our guns' because you were never losing them anyway or negatives like 'raising the SS retirement age'.

I'm trying to figure out why I would vote in a loser like Rubio or Cruz in case one of those 2 hammerheads somehow gets the nomination over Trump.

Who knows.

I mean really. Who knows. If the Democrats did not have such weak candidates this year they would win again in a landslide (because the GOP has a ton of garbage in the top 3). But you have a confessed socialist and a fraud running on your side. Sanders is genuine....but he is an absolute socialist. This is America not Canada or Sweden. Sorry bud....can't support that line of thinking....ever.

It's a #### show of an election this year. Utter #### show.

Hold on there. I'm NPA. That's No Party Affiliation. I may have to choose a loser but I goose step for no loser.

btw, I see no one is capable of actually answering the question.

 

[Higgs]

Apparently you can't constantly talk about minorities in a negative light and then expect those same minorities to cheer for you.

Who knew?

What's the proper way to refer to Rubio and Cruz as they edge closer to going full Trump? Tio Tom, or Uncle Tomas?

More classic hypocrisy from the Left on race. They love to say that race and color matters, unless of course the person doesn't have their same political beliefs. So Ben Carson isn't really black, and Rubio and Cruz aren't really Hispanic. In those cases it's not race or color that matters, it's their beliefs. Love to see you guys twist yourselves into pretzels.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

How does the Latino vote really matter in this election? There's only 25.4 million eligible Hispanic voters in the US, and 7 million of them are in California which we already know is going to a Democrat no matter what. So are we really that concerned with 18 million Latino voters? Out of 319 million eligible US voters? I know every vote counts, but I have to imagine that the Republicans are winning more white votes with their immigration policies than they are losing Hispanic votes.

Actually I think this sums up the strategy for Trump for sure.

But obviously Florida comes to mind (really important) and Hispanic voting populations are growing in other battleground states, even in time for 2016.

I think we also know the Democrats will likely be straining to reach to Castro as a VP, and we know that they consider Rubio the worst possible matchup for Hillary. That last is for a few different reasons but one has to be the appeal to Hispanic voters.

 

[timschochet]

How does the Latino vote really matter in this election? There's only 25.4 million eligible Hispanic voters in the US, and 7 million of them are in California which we already know is going to a Democrat no matter what. So are we really that concerned with 18 million Latino voters? Out of 319 million eligible US voters? I know every vote counts, but I have to imagine that the Republicans are winning more white votes with their immigration policies than they are losing Hispanic votes.

Glad you asked. The facts, which are somewhat brutal for the GOP, are here:

http://potus2016.org/swing-states-election-2016/

Some vital data:

Racial diversity is the dominant feature of most swing states. As a whole, non-whites tend to vote Democrat (four in ten), while the Republican group is mostly white (nine in ten). At the same time, while 64% of blacks vote Democrat, the next largest percentage is 29% voting “Other”, according to a Gallup poll. For Hispanics, 50% vote “Other”, with 32% voting Democrat. Asians also vote 46% “Other”, with 36% voting Democrat.

One swing state where ethnicity has a lot to say is Florida. Over two-thirds of Florida’s estimated twenty million inhabitantswere born outside Florida, with 19.4% born outside of the United States. Of the population, 24.1% identified as Hispanic. Those who identified as Black followed with 16.8%. Non-white voters make up 45.5% of the population.

Other swing states Colorado and Nevada are characterized by rising numbers of Hispanics. Virginia’s black voters swung the state for Obama in 2012, while its population is naturally diverse–50% of Virginia’s population was born elsewhere, over 11%outside of the United States.

 

[Higgs]

How does the Latino vote really matter in this election? There's only 25.4 million eligible Hispanic voters in the US, and 7 million of them are in California which we already know is going to a Democrat no matter what. So are we really that concerned with 18 million Latino voters? Out of 319 million eligible US voters? I know every vote counts, but I have to imagine that the Republicans are winning more white votes with their immigration policies than they are losing Hispanic votes.

Actually I think this sums up the strategy for Trump for sure.

But obviously Florida comes to mind (really important) and Hispanic voting populations are growing in other battleground states, even in time for 2016.

I think we also know the Democrats will likely be straining to reach to Castro as a VP, and we know that they consider Rubio the worst possible matchup for Hillary. That last is for a few different reasons but one has to be the appeal to Hispanic voters.

In the latest Quinnipiac poll Rubio beats Clinton 48-41. I don't think she can beat him, which is why I believe he will end up as the Republican nominee.

 

[Higgs]

How does the Latino vote really matter in this election? There's only 25.4 million eligible Hispanic voters in the US, and 7 million of them are in California which we already know is going to a Democrat no matter what. So are we really that concerned with 18 million Latino voters? Out of 319 million eligible US voters? I know every vote counts, but I have to imagine that the Republicans are winning more white votes with their immigration policies than they are losing Hispanic votes.

Glad you asked. The facts, which are somewhat brutal for the GOP, are here:http://potus2016.org/swing-states-election-2016/

Some vital data:

Racial diversity is the dominant feature of most swing states. As a whole, non-whites tend to vote Democrat (four in ten), while the Republican group is mostly white (nine in ten). At the same time, while 64% of blacks vote Democrat, the next largest percentage is 29% voting Other, according to a Gallup poll. For Hispanics, 50% vote Other, with 32% voting Democrat. Asians also vote 46% Other, with 36% voting Democrat.

One swing state where ethnicity has a lot to say is Florida. Over two-thirds of Floridas estimated twenty million inhabitantswere born outside Florida, with 19.4% born outside of the United States. Of the population, 24.1% identified as Hispanic. Those who identified as Black followed with 16.8%. Non-white voters make up 45.5% of the population.

Other swing states Colorado and Nevada are characterized by rising numbers of Hispanics. Virginias black voters swung the state for Obama in 2012, while its population is naturally diverse50% of Virginias population was born elsewhere, over 11%outside of the United States.

I'm not losing sleep over Nevada's 5 electoral votes, or even Colorado's 9. Florida is the key state, and the Republicans win this state easily if it's Rubio, and it's close if it's anyone else.

 

[timschochet]

1. 270 electoral votes are needed to win the election.

2. Republicans have 154-206 "safe votes"; Democrats have 179-247 "safe votes"- the difference in the two numbers being "dark red" and "light red", "dark blue" and "light blue" etc. (NOTE- In the opinion of many analysts, these numbers are ONLY valid so long as neither Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, or Bernie Sanders wins a nomination. If 1 or more of these 3 guys is the candidate, a lot of these numbers can be thrown out, with the general assumption being that more states are up for grabs, though not in a positive way- Trump, Cruz, and Sanders will almost surely guarantee LESS states locked up for their respective political party.)

3. Here are the current swing states and their number of votes:

Arizona 11

Colorado 9

Florida 29

Georgia 16

Iowa 6

New Hampshire 4

New Mexico 5

North Carolina 15

Ohio 18

Pennsylvania 20

Virginia 13

Wisconsin 10

Obviously you can see how big Florida is to winning this thing. It is possible for the Dems to lose Florida and still win the election. It is nearly IMPOSSIBLE for the Republicans to lose Florida and win.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

How does the Latino vote really matter in this election? There's only 25.4 million eligible Hispanic voters in the US, and 7 million of them are in California which we already know is going to a Democrat no matter what. So are we really that concerned with 18 million Latino voters? Out of 319 million eligible US voters? I know every vote counts, but I have to imagine that the Republicans are winning more white votes with their immigration policies than they are losing Hispanic votes.

Glad you asked. The facts, which are somewhat brutal for the GOP, are here:

http://potus2016.org/swing-states-election-2016/

Some vital data:

Racial diversity is the dominant feature of most swing states. As a whole, non-whites tend to vote Democrat (four in ten), while the Republican group is mostly white (nine in ten). At the same time, while 64% of blacks vote Democrat, the next largest percentage is 29% voting “Other”, according to a Gallup poll. For Hispanics, 50% vote “Other”, with 32% voting Democrat. Asians also vote 46% “Other”, with 36% voting Democrat.

One swing state where ethnicity has a lot to say is Florida. Over two-thirds of Florida’s estimated twenty million inhabitantswere born outside Florida, with 19.4% born outside of the United States. Of the population, 24.1% identified as Hispanic. Those who identified as Black followed with 16.8%. Non-white voters make up 45.5% of the population.

Other swing states Colorado and Nevada are characterized by rising numbers of Hispanics. Virginia’s black voters swung the state for Obama in 2012, while its population is naturally diverse–50% of Virginia’s population was born elsewhere, over 11%outside of the United States.

Well, yes, clearly the facts are brutal, seeing as how the GOP has something like 4 prominent Hispanic Senators and Governors (Sandoval, Martinez, Rubio, Cruz) to choose from their ranks while the Democrats have a former mayor of San Antonio as their most prominent Hispanic leader.

The first Hispanic to win a presidential primary was a Republican: historical fact. It will be interesting to see when the Democrats catch up in terms of leadership.

But it is noteworthy because you and I would probably agree it's one reason that this election is so crucial for the Republicans, Trump could kill them for years to come if he is the nominee, though that is looking less and less likely. Rubio on the other hand could have the opposite effect of course.

 

[tommyGunZ]

How does the Latino vote really matter in this election? There's only 25.4 million eligible Hispanic voters in the US, and 7 million of them are in California which we already know is going to a Democrat no matter what. So are we really that concerned with 18 million Latino voters? Out of 319 million eligible US voters? I know every vote counts, but I have to imagine that the Republicans are winning more white votes with their immigration policies than they are losing Hispanic votes.

319M eligible voters?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

How does the Latino vote really matter in this election? There's only 25.4 million eligible Hispanic voters in the US, and 7 million of them are in California which we already know is going to a Democrat no matter what. So are we really that concerned with 18 million Latino voters? Out of 319 million eligible US voters? I know every vote counts, but I have to imagine that the Republicans are winning more white votes with their immigration policies than they are losing Hispanic votes.

Glad you asked. The facts, which are somewhat brutal for the GOP, are here:http://potus2016.org/swing-states-election-2016/

Some vital data:

Racial diversity is the dominant feature of most swing states. As a whole, non-whites tend to vote Democrat (four in ten), while the Republican group is mostly white (nine in ten). At the same time, while 64% of blacks vote Democrat, the next largest percentage is 29% voting Other, according to a Gallup poll. For Hispanics, 50% vote Other, with 32% voting Democrat. Asians also vote 46% Other, with 36% voting Democrat.

One swing state where ethnicity has a lot to say is Florida. Over two-thirds of Floridas estimated twenty million inhabitantswere born outside Florida, with 19.4% born outside of the United States. Of the population, 24.1% identified as Hispanic. Those who identified as Black followed with 16.8%. Non-white voters make up 45.5% of the population.

Other swing states Colorado and Nevada are characterized by rising numbers of Hispanics. Virginias black voters swung the state for Obama in 2012, while its population is naturally diverse50% of Virginias population was born elsewhere, over 11%outside of the United States.

I'm not losing sleep over Nevada's 5 electoral votes, or even Colorado's 9. Florida is the key state, and the Republicans win this state easily if it's Rubio, and it's close if it's anyone else.

Eh, NV & CO used to be solidly Republican states, and winning them in 2016 would be a big deal. You can throw NM into that mix as well.

 

[timschochet]

How does the Latino vote really matter in this election? There's only 25.4 million eligible Hispanic voters in the US, and 7 million of them are in California which we already know is going to a Democrat no matter what. So are we really that concerned with 18 million Latino voters? Out of 319 million eligible US voters? I know every vote counts, but I have to imagine that the Republicans are winning more white votes with their immigration policies than they are losing Hispanic votes.

Glad you asked. The facts, which are somewhat brutal for the GOP, are here:http://potus2016.org/swing-states-election-2016/

Some vital data:

Racial diversity is the dominant feature of most swing states. As a whole, non-whites tend to vote Democrat (four in ten), while the Republican group is mostly white (nine in ten). At the same time, while 64% of blacks vote Democrat, the next largest percentage is 29% voting Other, according to a Gallup poll. For Hispanics, 50% vote Other, with 32% voting Democrat. Asians also vote 46% Other, with 36% voting Democrat.

One swing state where ethnicity has a lot to say is Florida. Over two-thirds of Floridas estimated twenty million inhabitantswere born outside Florida, with 19.4% born outside of the United States. Of the population, 24.1% identified as Hispanic. Those who identified as Black followed with 16.8%. Non-white voters make up 45.5% of the population.

Other swing states Colorado and Nevada are characterized by rising numbers of Hispanics. Virginias black voters swung the state for Obama in 2012, while its population is naturally diverse50% of Virginias population was born elsewhere, over 11%outside of the United States.

I'm not losing sleep over Nevada's 5 electoral votes, or even Colorado's 9. Florida is the key state, and the Republicans win this state easily if it's Rubio, and it's close if it's anyone else.

They don't win it easily no matter what. But I agree with you they would have the edge if it's Rubio, which is why I agree that he would likely defeat Hillary. But it won't be easy.

 

[Higgs]

How does the Latino vote really matter in this election? There's only 25.4 million eligible Hispanic voters in the US, and 7 million of them are in California which we already know is going to a Democrat no matter what. So are we really that concerned with 18 million Latino voters? Out of 319 million eligible US voters? I know every vote counts, but I have to imagine that the Republicans are winning more white votes with their immigration policies than they are losing Hispanic votes.

319M eligible voters?

correction - 225 million. My bad. Here's the data I was looking at if anyone is interested. http://www.pewhispanic.org/interactives/mapping-the-latino-electorate-by-state/

 

[squistion]

Bill Maher ‏@billmaher

Man, they are all going after Rubio now - last time Republicans were this focused on a Cuban it was the one Clinton was using with Monica

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Bill Maher ‏@billmaher

Man, they are all going after Rubio now - last time Republicans were this focused on a Cuban it was the one Clinton was using with Monica

 

[timschochet]

Here is the bottom line which most reasonable people looking at this map should agree with:

If the Republicans want to beat Hillary Clinton, they HAVE to go with Rubio.

That's it. He stands a decent chance of beating her; it's unlikely that anybody else will. Now if the Dems choose Sanders that's a different story. But assuming for the sake of this post they won't, the GOP MUST choose Rubio. And I have to believe that, in the end they will, although I remain uncertain about Trump.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

How does the Latino vote really matter in this election? There's only 25.4 million eligible Hispanic voters in the US, and 7 million of them are in California which we already know is going to a Democrat no matter what. So are we really that concerned with 18 million Latino voters? Out of 319 million eligible US voters? I know every vote counts, but I have to imagine that the Republicans are winning more white votes with their immigration policies than they are losing Hispanic votes.

319M eligible voters?

correction - 225 million. My bad. Here's the data I was looking at if anyone is interested. http://www.pewhispanic.org/interactives/mapping-the-latino-electorate-by-state/

That's a neat link.

The Latino vote is so difficult to discuss. I've spent time in NM and there are such old school Spanish origin families there, very conservative, big landowners, almost what I would call Creole in outlook. They were constantly battling Richardson when he was governor there. Cubans in Florida are not the Mexicans in California. Though California has some very old line families I believe but I think the new dynamic of the immigration wave has changed everything, but I'm sure real Californians can speak to that better than me. Here in NO we have a large Cuban and Honduran base, very entrepreneurial, and I'd say pretty conservative. They have become a force in a neighboring bedroom suburban town, which is very Republican.

 

[sho nuff]

With every post I understand your support for Trump more and more. Last post it was an Orwellian desire to tell minorities how they should feel and react to things, now there's a total inability to remain on topic. Are we sure you're not him?

You should know by now that this is just one giant troll job, trying to replicate the faux-Palin supporters from 2008. (S.I.D.A. = Statorama In a Different Alias?)

How sad does a person have to be to spend that much time...posting that many words...just to hope to get anonymous people to react on a message board?

 

[Higgs]

Here is the bottom line which most reasonable people looking at this map should agree with:

If the Republicans want to beat Hillary Clinton, they HAVE to go with Rubio.

That's it. He stands a decent chance of beating her; it's unlikely that anybody else will. Now if the Dems choose Sanders that's a different story. But assuming for the sake of this post they won't, the GOP MUST choose Rubio. And I have to believe that, in the end they will, although I remain uncertain about Trump.

check out the latest Q poll. sanders does better against the Repubs than your girl does.

 

[timschochet]

Here is the bottom line which most reasonable people looking at this map should agree with:

If the Republicans want to beat Hillary Clinton, they HAVE to go with Rubio.

That's it. He stands a decent chance of beating her; it's unlikely that anybody else will. Now if the Dems choose Sanders that's a different story. But assuming for the sake of this post they won't, the GOP MUST choose Rubio. And I have to believe that, in the end they will, although I remain uncertain about Trump.

check out the latest Q poll. sanders does better against the Repubs than your girl does.

I know I sound like a broken record, but matchup polls DO NOT MATTER until the matchup is set. There are lots of reasons for this. If Sanders is the nominee, he will be destroyed by almost any Republican candidate (although against Trump or Cruz, who knows?)

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Apparently you can't constantly talk about minorities in a negative light and then expect those same minorities to cheer for you.

Who knew?

What's the proper way to refer to Rubio and Cruz as they edge closer to going full Trump? Tio Tom, or Uncle Tomas?

More classic hypocrisy from the Left on race. They love to say that race and color matters, unless of course the person doesn't have their same political beliefs. So Ben Carson isn't really black, and Rubio and Cruz aren't really Hispanic. In those cases it's not race or color that matters, it's their beliefs. Love to see you guys twist yourselves into pretzels.

Pretty sure that's up to the lantinos and hispanics.Not you, me, or the forum posters. And we don't see hardly any of them touting/accepting Cruz as one of their own.

Not true of Rubio and for Carson in their cases.

 

[Higgs]

Apparently you can't constantly talk about minorities in a negative light and then expect those same minorities to cheer for you.

Who knew?

What's the proper way to refer to Rubio and Cruz as they edge closer to going full Trump? Tio Tom, or Uncle Tomas?

More classic hypocrisy from the Left on race. They love to say that race and color matters, unless of course the person doesn't have their same political beliefs. So Ben Carson isn't really black, and Rubio and Cruz aren't really Hispanic. In those cases it's not race or color that matters, it's their beliefs. Love to see you guys twist yourselves into pretzels.

Pretty sure that's up to the lantinos and hispanics.Not you, me, or the forum posters. And we don't see hardly any of them touting/accepting Cruz as one of their own.

Not true of Rubio and for Carson in their cases.

So you're saying that white people must defer to blacks and hispanics as to who is really black and Hispanic?Pass the pretzels please.

 

[CBusAlex]

Pretty sure that's up to the lantinos and hispanics.Not you, me, or the forum posters. And we don't see hardly any of them touting/accepting Cruz as one of their own.

And anyway, expecting Mexicans to support a Cuban politician because they're both hispanic is a bit like expecting Koreans to support an Israeli politician because they're both asian. Different cultures, different experiences.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Apparently you can't constantly talk about minorities in a negative light and then expect those same minorities to cheer for you.

Who knew?

What's the proper way to refer to Rubio and Cruz as they edge closer to going full Trump? Tio Tom, or Uncle Tomas?

More classic hypocrisy from the Left on race. They love to say that race and color matters, unless of course the person doesn't have their same political beliefs. So Ben Carson isn't really black, and Rubio and Cruz aren't really Hispanic. In those cases it's not race or color that matters, it's their beliefs. Love to see you guys twist yourselves into pretzels.

Pretty sure that's up to the lantinos and hispanics.Not you, me, or the forum posters. And we don't see hardly any of them touting/accepting Cruz as one of their own.

Not true of Rubio and for Carson in their cases.

The exit polls in the GOP NV caucus will be worth looking at.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Apparently you can't constantly talk about minorities in a negative light and then expect those same minorities to cheer for you.

Who knew?

What's the proper way to refer to Rubio and Cruz as they edge closer to going full Trump? Tio Tom, or Uncle Tomas?

More classic hypocrisy from the Left on race. They love to say that race and color matters, unless of course the person doesn't have their same political beliefs. So Ben Carson isn't really black, and Rubio and Cruz aren't really Hispanic. In those cases it's not race or color that matters, it's their beliefs. Love to see you guys twist yourselves into pretzels.

Pretty sure that's up to the lantinos and hispanics.Not you, me, or the forum posters. And we don't see hardly any of them touting/accepting Cruz as one of their own.

Not true of Rubio and for Carson in their cases.

So you're saying that white people must defer to blacks and hispanics as to who is really black and Hispanic?Pass the pretzels please.

Hispanics find CRUZ himself disregarding his own heritage as well. http://www.laopinion.com/2016/02/02/ted-cruz-primer-latino-en-ganar-las-asambleas-de-iowa-por-que-no-estamos-celebrando/

 

[Higgs]

Apparently you can't constantly talk about minorities in a negative light and then expect those same minorities to cheer for you.

Who knew?

What's the proper way to refer to Rubio and Cruz as they edge closer to going full Trump? Tio Tom, or Uncle Tomas?

More classic hypocrisy from the Left on race. They love to say that race and color matters, unless of course the person doesn't have their same political beliefs. So Ben Carson isn't really black, and Rubio and Cruz aren't really Hispanic. In those cases it's not race or color that matters, it's their beliefs. Love to see you guys twist yourselves into pretzels.

Pretty sure that's up to the lantinos and hispanics.Not you, me, or the forum posters. And we don't see hardly any of them touting/accepting Cruz as one of their own.

Not true of Rubio and for Carson in their cases.

So you're saying that white people must defer to blacks and hispanics as to who is really black and Hispanic?Pass the pretzels please.

Hispanics find CRUZ himself disregarding his own heritage as well. http://www.laopinion.com/2016/02/02/ted-cruz-primer-latino-en-ganar-las-asambleas-de-iowa-por-que-no-estamos-celebrando/

I think we might be speaking about different things. I was responding to the earlier conversation about Cruz getting no credit from the media for being the first Hispanic to win a Presidential primary. In my mind that is bull####. I don't care whether or not the Hispanic community likes him or not. He should get the recognition regardless of what he believes. He's Hispanic, and it's a watershed moment.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Im saying nobody is looking at him as a Hispanic (politician). First or not.

For you to get upset and levy anything towards democrats on the matter is laughable.

Sorry about that Rafael.

 

[Higgs]

Im saying nobody is looking at him as a Hispanic (politician). First or not.

For you to get upset and levy anything towards democrats on the matter is laughable.

Sorry about that Rafael.

I'm assuming you're white. If I said that I don't look at you as white because your politics at times appear to be too pro-black and anti-white, you wouldn't find that odd? My bet is that you'd scream some type of racism on my part.

 

[cstu]

I can't believe the crap Obama took for not being American - unlike Rubio, at least one of his parents was born here.

 

[SoBeDad]

Pretty sure that's up to the lantinos and hispanics.Not you, me, or the forum posters. And we don't see hardly any of them touting/accepting Cruz as one of their own.

And anyway, expecting Mexicans to support a Cuban politician because they're both hispanic is a bit like expecting Koreans to support an Israeli politician because they're both asian. Different cultures, different experiences.

Not quite. Rubio speaking Spanish and coming from a blue-collar family would appeal to many Hispanics. In Florida, the electorate includes more Hispanics than 4 years ago, but the Republican older Cubans (and Nicaraguans) are a smaller piece of the pie and the more liberal younger Cubans and Orlando area Puerto Ricans are a bigger piece of the pie. Rubio would have his job cut out, especially given his stand on immigration, but remember that Romney only lost by about 1.5% in 2012.

 

[timschochet]

If it is Hillary vs Rubio, Julian Castro becomes the obvious choice to try and neutralize him. Meanwhile Rubio should take Kasich to put Ohio in play. But all this makes too much sense and do will probably never happen.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

If it is Hillary vs Rubio, Julian Castro becomes the obvious choice to try and neutralize him. Meanwhile Rubio should take Kasich to put Ohio in play. But all this makes too much sense and do will probably never happen.

Castro is the no. 1 choice, regardless of opponent. - The only hitch with Hillary is she is such an old politico that she might go with some old hand she can trust.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Im saying nobody is looking at him as a Hispanic (politician). First or not.

For you to get upset and levy anything towards democrats on the matter is laughable.

Sorry about that Rafael.

I'm assuming you're white. If I said that I don't look at you as white because your politics at times appear to be too pro-black and anti-white, you wouldn't find that odd? My bet is that you'd scream some type of racism on my part.

Again, Rubio would have received the loud credit you are looking for. How does that square with your position? A: It doesn't.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I can't believe the crap Obama took for not being American - unlike Rubio, at least one of his parents was born here.

To be clear the claim was that he Obama wasn't born in America. Not that his father wasn't American.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I know I'm a day late but that Jeb "please clap" thing deserves talking about. It may be the single most saddest, most pathetic moment I can ever recall for a Presidential campaign.

His mom is now campaigning for him.

and here I didn't think it could get more pitiful. This is like watching your dopey friend get shot down by a hot girl and he's convinced he just needs to pour on the ol charm. After a while it's not funny and you just have to go get him and say "Hey man cmon Mike wants to go to another bar and since it's his birthday and all . . . "

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Who’s going to win the nomination? Rubio 29% (+20 since last wk) Trump 27% (-30) Cruz 24% (+8) (GOP LVs) http://bit.ly/1PZhsl4

- Note this is a 50% shift on the question of who is going to win the election.

Trump has gone from +48 to -2 vs Rubio like [snap].

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

In the latest Quinnipiac poll Rubio beats Clinton 48-41. I don't think she can beat him, which is why I believe he will end up as the Republican nominee.

For as a little as anyone knows about Rubio and as much as everyone knows about Hillary that should be closer to 55 - 38. 48-41 isn't that great at this point.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

If it is Hillary vs Rubio, Julian Castro becomes the obvious choice to try and neutralize him. Meanwhile Rubio should take Kasich to put Ohio in play. But all this makes too much sense and do will probably never happen.

Castro is the no. 1 choice, regardless of opponent. - The only hitch with Hillary is she is such an old politico that she might go with some old hand she can trust.

She might choose a female running mate to try and woo the womens vote.

 

[The Commish]

1. 270 electoral votes are needed to win the election.

2. Republicans have 154-206 "safe votes"; Democrats have 179-247 "safe votes"- the difference in the two numbers being "dark red" and "light red", "dark blue" and "light blue" etc. (NOTE- In the opinion of many analysts, these numbers are ONLY valid so long as neither Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, or Bernie Sanders wins a nomination. If 1 or more of these 3 guys is the candidate, a lot of these numbers can be thrown out, with the general assumption being that more states are up for grabs, though not in a positive way- Trump, Cruz, and Sanders will almost surely guarantee LESS states locked up for their respective political party.)

3. Here are the current swing states and their number of votes:

Arizona 11

Colorado 9

Florida 29

Georgia 16

Iowa 6

New Hampshire 4

New Mexico 5

North Carolina 15

Ohio 18

Pennsylvania 20

Virginia 13

Wisconsin 10

Obviously you can see how big Florida is to winning this thing. It is possible for the Dems to lose Florida and still win the election. It is nearly IMPOSSIBLE for the Republicans to lose Florida and win.

well....all Democrats outside of Sanders anyway right?

 

[shadrap]

Apparently you can't constantly talk about minorities in a negative light and then expect those same minorities to cheer for you.

Who knew?

What's the proper way to refer to Rubio and Cruz as they edge closer to going full Trump? Tio Tom, or Uncle Tomas?

More classic hypocrisy from the Left on race. They love to say that race and color matters, unless of course the person doesn't have their same political beliefs. So Ben Carson isn't really black, and Rubio and Cruz aren't really Hispanic. In those cases it's not race or color that matters, it's their beliefs. Love to see you guys twist yourselves into pretzels.

Best post I've seen in a while. Thank you.