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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (1 Viewer)

Todem said:
And this is exactly why we are where we are with our government. They have made careers out of it instead of serving say 8 years max (like the President) and going back into the work force.

TERM LIMITS!!!!!!!
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They make a lot more money as lobbyists anyway.

 
squistion said:
1968 was a little quirky in that Nixon wasn't even on the ballot in California and Ronald Reagan won most of the delegates as a part of a "Stop Nixon" movement hoping to be compromise candidate in a brokered convention (sound familiar?) Details from Wiki:
 
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Interesting to me in that supposedly IIRC Hillary has said that the GOP's rejection of Rockefeller was the initiating force that drive her to th Democrats. She was at that convention with the GOP congressman she worked for then. Chris Matthews has called her a Rockefeller Republican.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Interesting to mean that supposedly IIRC Hillary has said that the GOP's rejection of Rockefeller was the initiating force that drive her to th Democrats. Chris Matthews has called her a Rockefeller Republican.
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She might have seen it that way, but the rejection of Rockefeller was payback or karma for 1964 when Rockefeller and Romney (Mitt's Dad George) refused to support Barry Goldwater in the general election and conservatives blamed them for his loss and never forgot it. Nixon endorsed Goldwater even though he obviously did not agree with many of his positions and he was more palatable to the far right for his Goldwater support when he made his run in 68.

 
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A couple times over the past few weeks I've seen some write and/or talk about how the GOP better not force Trump out at the convention or he'll go 3rd party..

Based on what we've discussed here before in regards to a 3rd party candidate getting on the ballot, won't it be too late for Trump to get on the Ballot as a 3rd party if he doesn't get the nomination as the GOP candidate :confused:

 
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bolzano said:
If I recall correctly, Texas has the earliest deadline, which is in mid-May, but many of the states have deadlines that extend well into late summer/ early fall. If other candidates are still running in late April/ early May, despite being mathematically eliminated and/ or unable to top Trump's delegate count, then he would be wise to start accruing the necessary signatures/ planning for a third party (or independent) bid.
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Or we just write him in....He has enough money to get that message out there.

 
Jesus Christ, John Kasich on Hannity tonight was an absolute disaster.  What a cantankerous son of a ##### this guy is.  I'm completely neutral on him by the way.  He was argumentative and just a real ##### during the interview.  Obnoxious as hell too.  Totally unlikeable.  Can't believe he hasn't been exposed yet.  When he gets rattled he is a nightmare.

 
I don't get Romney campaigning for Kasich. When Rubio tanked I thought the Establishment was startign to back Cruz. Are they just scattershot at this point? Does Romney even help Kasich? I could sort of see Utah leading up to the 22nd.

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
I don't get Romney campaigning for Kasich. When Rubio tanked I thought the Establishment was startign to back Cruz. Are they just scattershot at this point? Does Romney even help Kasich? I could sort of see Utah leading up to the 22nd.
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Romney asked people to support whoever has the best chance of defeating Donald wherever they are.

 
Higgs said:
Jesus Christ, John Kasich on Hannity tonight was an absolute disaster.  What a cantankerous son of a ##### this guy is.  I'm completely neutral on him by the way.  He was argumentative and just a real ##### during the interview.  Obnoxious as hell too.  Totally unlikeable.  Can't believe he hasn't been exposed yet.  When he gets rattled he is a nightmare.
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He's a total #######.  The people of Ohio already know it.  

 
Higgs said:
Jesus Christ, John Kasich on Hannity tonight was an absolute disaster.  What a cantankerous son of a ##### this guy is.  I'm completely neutral on him by the way.  He was argumentative and just a real ##### during the interview.  Obnoxious as hell too.  Totally unlikeable.  Can't believe he hasn't been exposed yet.  When he gets rattled he is a nightmare.
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I heard the radio interview this afternoon and it was the complete opposite. Hannity pressed him on 50% +1  rule for the convention and the possibility of a brokered convention.  Kasich gave a good answer. But Hannity is paranoid about political insiders stealing the Republican convention from the electorate, even though the process is biased towards white America.  My answer would be why not start the process with Ohio, instead of lily white Iowa and NH.   

 
bolzano said:
IMO, Newt made a brilliant point on Hannity, namely, that Trump + Cruz will head into the convention with 1237+ delegates, and hence they will have all the power. If the establishment tries to usurp them via backroom deals, then they can just join forces to ensure a Trump/ Cruz ticket.
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Trump + Cruz > 1237 delegates means nothing, if neither of them wins on the first ballot.

 
flapgreen said:
Higgs said:
Jesus Christ, John Kasich on Hannity tonight was an absolute disaster.  What a cantankerous son of a ##### this guy is.  I'm completely neutral on him by the way.  He was argumentative and just a real ##### during the interview.  Obnoxious as hell too.  Totally unlikeable.  Can't believe he hasn't been exposed yet.  When he gets rattled he is a nightmare.
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He's a total #######.  The people of Ohio already know it.  
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:lmao: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/poll-john-kasich-ohio-approval-numbers-214549

 
SoBeDad said:
Higgs said:
Jesus Christ, John Kasich on Hannity tonight was an absolute disaster.  What a cantankerous son of a ##### this guy is.  I'm completely neutral on him by the way.  He was argumentative and just a real ##### during the interview.  Obnoxious as hell too.  Totally unlikeable.  Can't believe he hasn't been exposed yet.  When he gets rattled he is a nightmare.
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I heard the radio interview this afternoon and it was the complete opposite. Hannity pressed him on 50% +1  rule for the convention and the possibility of a brokered convention.  Kasich gave a good answer. But Hannity is paranoid about political insiders stealing the Republican convention from the electorate, even though the process is biased towards white America.  My answer would be why not start the process with Ohio, instead of lily white Iowa and NH.   
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Amazing what someone hears when listening with a biased ear.

 
bolzano said:
IMO, Newt made a brilliant point on Hannity, namely, that Trump + Cruz will head into the convention with 1237+ delegates, and hence they will have all the power. If the establishment tries to usurp them via backroom deals, then they can just join forces to ensure a Trump/ Cruz ticket.
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Trump and Cruz together would be a nightmare.  Serious slime there.

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
I don't get Romney campaigning for Kasich. When Rubio tanked I thought the Establishment was startign to back Cruz. Are they just scattershot at this point? Does Romney even help Kasich? I could sort of see Utah leading up to the 22nd.
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Cruz is Tea Party.  He's almost as bad to establishment Republicans as Trump.

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
I don't get Romney campaigning for Kasich. When Rubio tanked I thought the Establishment was startign to back Cruz. Are they just scattershot at this point? Does Romney even help Kasich? I could sort of see Utah leading up to the 22nd.
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Cruz is widely hated -- I really do mean "hated" -- by his colleagues in the party.  In a normal year, the Republican party would be moving heaven and earth to prevent Cruz from winning the nomination.  The only reason why his unlikability hasn't gotten more play in the media is because of who the front-runner is. 

 
Higgs said:
Jesus Christ, John Kasich on Hannity tonight was an absolute disaster.  What a cantankerous son of a ##### this guy is.  I'm completely neutral on him by the way.  He was argumentative and just a real ##### during the interview.  Obnoxious as hell too.  Totally unlikeable.  Can't believe he hasn't been exposed yet.  When he gets rattled he is a nightmare.
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Kasich is a typical weak R who would get steamrolled and pantsed by the Dems heading in to November. If you want to continue the tradition of weakling R nominees, he's your guy. McCain, Romney, Kasich. I don't care what polls say today, he'd get smoked by Hillary and wouldn't even land any haymakers. 

 
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Trump wins NC, FL and IL.

Kasich wins OH.

Cruz wins MO.

Rubio wins a spot on NBC's revival of "I'm a Celebrity, Get me Out of Here!"

 
RBM said:
Kasich is a typical weak R who would get steamrolled and pantsed by the Dems heading in to November. If you want to continue the tradition of weakling R nominees, he's your guy. McCain, Romney, Kasich. I don't care what polls say today, he'd get smoked by Hillary and wouldn't even land any haymakers. 
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McCain was not a weak nominee.  He was stronger in 2000 than 2008, but his real downfall was Palin.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Cruz is widely hated -- I really do mean "hated" -- by his colleagues in the party.  In a normal year, the Republican party would be moving heaven and earth to prevent Cruz from winning the nomination.  The only reason why his unlikability hasn't gotten more play in the media is because of who the front-runner is. 
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Cruz is playing the Charles Manson role. It pales in comparison to Hitler.

 
dparker713 said:
McCain was not a weak nominee.  He was stronger in 2000 than 2008, but his real downfall was Palin.
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In fairness to McCain, while Palin was a horrifically bad decision on his part, there was no way he, or any other Republican, was winning the 2008 election. The country was in it's worse economic shape since the great depression and was still heading downward during that general election season.  The Democratic nominee was winning that election regardless who they were and who they were running against.

 
dparker713 said:
McCain was not a weak nominee.  He was stronger in 2000 than 2008, but his real downfall was Palin.
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On a strict + / - scale, she brought in more voters than she cost him.  That's undeniable.  McCain had zero gravitas with the conservative wing of the party (including fiscal conservatives who would eventually become the Tea Party).  Palin (rightly or wrongly) energized the conservative crowd.  There was also a very strong anti-Obama crowd, but no one was saying anything bad about Obama during that election.  Not in the press, who was selling him as a once in a generation messiah who would solve all our problems, and definitely not from Pops McCain (who was a bigger defender of Obama than even Hillary was at the time).  There was a groundswell of people that knew Obama would be an unparalleled disaster and Palin was the only one that was grabbing the megaphone and saying it.  Now it was unfortunate for McCain that he thought he could control her (or otherwise "train" her), which would hide her paper thin grasp of the issues.  If he muzzled her, she couldn't bring to the table what she was added to the ticket for (energize the mud-flap, six-pack, flag-waving, fun-loving vote) but if he let her run unleashed he'd be doing more damage control than actual campaigning.  It really seemed like McCain's team simply vetted her resume.  On paper, she's fantastic.  Mayor.  Governor.  Former point guard.  Working mother.  Shoots animals.  Good looking.  But any kind of intense interviewing would have exposed her, so the "team" didn't do John any favors.  Once it was done, it was done.  But given what she was, what she was brought on the ticket for, and what they knew about her, that team needed to keep her locked in on the right.  Do all the Fox stuff that McCain is terrible with.  Have Palin only talk to the Hannity/Rush/Savage type shows and keep her away from mainstream outlets that were going to go out of their way to edit her to make her look like a dunce.  Let McCain sell the ticket to Katie Couric and Matt Lauer, the crowd he was more comfortable with.  Instead, they did just the opposite.  Cue McCain in a bathrobe at the end of Ferris Bueller's day off.  Go home.  It's over.

With all that said, nobody was beating Obama that year.  With a complicit media selling his candidacy, an energized black vote, and an enthusiastic youth base wanting to elect the first black president, he was a lock.

That was such a wasted election cycle for all parties involved.  Hillary would have made a much better President at that time, as she would have drifted toward the middle and worked on jobs/unemployment and stabilizing the economy first and foremost.  Any kind of central hand at the rudder would have brought us normally out of the recession (as we had every recession before that).  Palin wasted a golden opportunity to become well-versed in the issues and would have essentially been doing what Trump is doing now (and probably would have been the nominee this year), but she is SOOOOOO incredibly non-curious to the point of exhaustion. While I don't think she's smart, she's not dumb either.  She's simply content to be what she is, and that's not good enough to be the President.  Obama had the opportunity to be the Reagan for the left, but he sold his legacy out for the Affordable Care Act. Well, that and he's a petty little ##### scumbag narcissist.   

 
joffer said:
I was voting for him until Palin :shrug:
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Not saying Palin didn't hurt him with voters, I know it did (just like Ryan hurt Romney) He was a weak candidate before that with little chance of winining. Didn't fire up the base to vote and didn't attract enough independents to come close to winning.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
Palin is a problem..I wish he would quit rolling her out there.
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Why wouldn't he? She's a mirror image of him in both childish emotional temperament and fear/hate mongering anti-intellectual cheerleading. A perfect VP for him actually.

Trump/Palin 2016

The Tea Party movement's ultimate contribution to America's future.

Great job.

 
cap'n grunge said:
Why wouldn't he? She's a mirror image of him in both childish emotional temperament and fear/hate mongering anti-intellectual cheerleading. A perfect VP for him actually.

Trump/Palin 2016

The Tea Party movement's ultimate contribution to America's future.

Great job.
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No thanks...We are going to get a Latin guy for VP..... ;)

 
Kasich rolling out the big guns: Urban Meyer AND Jim Tressell AND Earl Bruce. 

Somebody needs to dig up Woody Hayes so that he can endorse Kasich too! 

 
bolzano said:
Can Cruz will his delegates to support another candidate (e.g., Trump) prior to the first ballot, or must they vote for Cruz and only Cruz? Also, are delegates selected by the campaigns, and hence are candidate loyalists, or are they chosen by the RNC?
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The rules aren't set; they can be modified at the start of the convention, hence the potential #### show.   

 
It's official - no way Kasich will be Trump's VP if he wins...  Saw this coming.  Kasich's demeanor towards Trump changed after last week's events.  He went from being very quiet about Trump to very critical.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/john-kasich-no-trump-ticket-220766?lo=ap_d1

On “Fox & Friends” Tuesday, Ohio Gov. John Kasich was asked whether the hard-fought race between him and Donald Trump over Ohio would prevent them from teaming up in the future.  Kasich immediately shot down any notion of a united effort.

“There’s no way I would team up with Donald Trump. No way. Forget it,” he said. “I’m going to be the nominee because we’re going to win Ohio. We’re going to move across the country with the positive attitude of bringing people together.”
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