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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (3 Viewers)

Do Missouri voters still write their candidates's name on a piece of paper and put it in a box?  What in the hell is taking so long to count the votes? 

 
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Kasich is the smartest guy left.  He's figured out how to play the Andy Griffith routine to perfection and get a lot of people to fall for it in his home state.   That guy needs his ### kicked. 

 
Wow 12 delegates go to the winner in Missouri (before congressionals are allocated).

So that's basically a 24 delegate swing on the margin of 1600 votes in Missouri in Trump's favor (+12 for him -12 for Cruz).

Can't imagine enough provisional ballots to matter.  Gotta think Cruz would have to request the recount though given how tight it all is.  Doubt it'd change the outcome.

-QG

 
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bolzano said:
Well, I'm not sure that it makes a difference, but the challenge was actually filed by a Rubio supporter, not Rubio himself. Moreover, Rubio/ his supporters could very well choose to back Cruz over Kasich/ Trump, since Rubio is more closely aligned with Cruz ideologically than he is with the other two. 
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You keep forgetting that people just don't like Cruz.
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I'm in Florida and was talking politics with my Floridian friends tonight.

I don't see why Rubio would support anyone.  He's already made a fool of himself by not dropping out when the writing was on the wall, so why add insult to injury when the outcome seems inevitable?  Just let it go, no reason to support that corpse Cruz and Kasich/Vegetable Lasagna doesn't have the juice.  Trump is the choice, people like Rubio and the establishment guys need to accept this or it's just gonna get worse for them.  Rubio should go back to his full-time job and actually vote on behalf of his constituency instead of being a no show for months. 

 
Typical morning after a Trump win in November.  

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bolzano said:
No, the challenge was time stamped at 5:13 PM. Moreover, legal analysts have stated that the challenge should be valid/ considered as long as Rubio's attorney was in line by 5 PM.
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It was officially filed after 6pm.

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/03/john_kasichs_pa_primary_bid_co.html

The appeal was time-stamped at 5:13 p.m. that day, something that Otter says only happened because someone answered a knock at a locked door and gave Rome the chance to present his petition.

The appeal was not officially filed at Commonwealth Court until after 6 p.m., Otter added.

 
Captain Cranks said:
Yep.  He's the type of Christian that I can get behind.  Someone who walks the walk and doesn't just label themselves as such.

Liberals would have no problem voting for this guy and, in my opinion, he has the best shot at beating Hillary.  
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As a Liberal, I certainly prefer Kasich over Cruz and Trump. Would I vote for him over Hilary? I'd really have to sit down and think about that one.

 
flapgreen said:
Kasich is the smartest guy left.  He's figured out how to play the Andy Griffith routine to perfection and get a lot of people to fall for it in his home state.   That guy needs his ### kicked. 
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A Trump guy criticizing other people for falling for something.

Classic.

 
timschochet said:
Is there a single person here who doesn't know this speech by heart at this point? 
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If you meant Donald, truth is when he's on his meds and not in persecution mode he's very conversational, extemporaneous and connects with his crowds, that's important, it's one of the reasons he does so well. Too bad he's such a loon because he's reminded people what good politicking looks like. Rubio when he abandoned script had this too IMO, one of his flaws was that he had handlers and they obviously boxed him in a lot.

 
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MattFancy said:
How so? Liberals want to ban Muslims? Build a wall to keep out Mexicans? You couldn't pay me enough money to vote for Trump
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Here's the thing.  He can't build a wall.  Even if elected this will never, ever, ever happen.  The costs alone would be staggering.  The sheer cost of his immigration plan is absurd, which is why he said "Make Mexico pay for it" which is also absurd.

He can't ban muslims, this can never, ever, ever happen. Court challenges would tie this up and overturn it.

With the central xenophobic items thrown out as a pipe dream taken at face value the remainder of his platform that he could perhaps maybe get accomplished is quite liberal.

 
culdeus said:
Here's the thing.  He can't build a wall.  Even if elected this will never, ever, ever happen.  The costs alone would be staggering.  The sheer cost of his immigration plan is absurd, which is why he said "Make Mexico pay for it" which is also absurd.

He can't ban muslims, this can never, ever, ever happen. Court challenges would tie this up and overturn it.

With the central xenophobic items thrown out as a pipe dream taken at face value the remainder of his platform that he could perhaps maybe get accomplished is quite liberal.
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That doesn't make him liberal any more than it makes a mass murderer in a jail cell a pacifist.

 
Also he clearly views the First Amendment as limited in scope at best (if not disposable), interprets the Second Amendment broadly, wants to slash taxes on the wealthy, has always been hard-core right on crime issues, and has claimed to be pro-life for a while now. About the only things about him you could arguably call liberal are his protectionist attitudes towards trade.

 
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Yeah, a guy like Trump doesn't fit very well on the traditional liberal/conservative scale.  He's pretty liberal on economic issues, but the racism and anti-immigration angle, along with the casual bellicosity on foreign affairs, certainly puts him at odds with modern liberals.  I think he's more like a Huey Long or Father Coughlin. 

 
bolzano said:
There's Pennsylvania case law that supports the pro-Rubio team's case, despite their failure to get the challenge time stamped by 5:00 PM, etc.

John Kasich’s Name Might Not Appear on the Pennsylvania Ballot

A Pennsylvania lawsuit challenging the eligibility of Ohio Gov. John Kasich to appear on the ballot in the Keystone State’s GOP primary in April could become a major factor in terms of both setting important state election law precedent and in ultimately deciding who becomes the eventual GOP nominee.  However, it could just as easily become moot by Wednesday morning if Gov. Kasich cannot win his home state of Ohio.

The potentially precedent setting Pennsylvania lawsuit has largely flown under the national media radar, at least until last weekend when GOP frontrunner Donald Trump fired off a few not entirely truthful tweets about the issue.

So, what is the real story with this lawsuit?

Nathaniel Rome, a college sophomore and chairman of Pennsylvania Students for Rubio, filed a lawsuit in February challenging the number of valid petition signatures Kasich submitted in order to appear on the Pennsylvania primary ballot.  Rome’s lawsuit argues that of the 2,184 signatures submitted by the Kasich campaign, over 800 of those signatures are invalid.  Pennsylvania state law requires a candidate to submit 2,000 valid signatures in order to appear on the statewide primary ballot.

Lawrence Otter, an attorney representing the Kasich campaign, does not dispute the fact that Kasich did not obtain the required number of valid signatures.  In fact, during a court hearing last week Otter agreed to a stipulation that at least 192 of the signatures were invalid — meaning Kasich failed to reach the 2,000 signature threshold by eight votes.  Nonetheless, Otter argues that the signature is irrelevant because the court lacks jurisdiction to hear the lawsuit at all.  Otter contends that Rome’s challenge was untimely, arguing that it was filed 13 minutes after the signature petition challenge deadline had passed.

Under Pennsylvania law, the signature petition submission deadline was February 16 at 5:00 p.m. and challenges to those signature petitions were required to be filed within seven days of the submission deadline — February 23.  Rome filed his challenge on February 23 at 5:13 p.m.  Otter argues the seven day deadline expired at 5:00 p.m. on the 23rd, and thus Rome’s challenge is untimely and the court lacks jurisdiction to hear the lawsuit.

On the other hand, Rome’s attorney, John Bravacos, argued that the statute does not specifically specify a 5:00 p.m. deadline, so it should be interpreted to allow the filing of challenges through 11:59 p.m. on the 7th day.  At a hearing last week, Bravacos cited a prior Commonwealth Court decision that interpreted the statute in question as allowing challenges to be filed through 11:59 p.m. on the 7th day.

In a supplemental brief filed before the court on Monday, Otter cited Pennsylvania case law, including a more recent state Supreme Court opinion on a similar issue, which he says supports his position that a 5:00 p.m. cutoff deadline is appropriate under these circumstances.  Bravacos is expected to file his own supplemental on the issue on Wednesday.

After reading the briefs, Judge Bonnie Leadbetter will decide whether to submit the issue to a three-judge panel of Commonwealth Judges or possibly even submit the case directly to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.

It was reported over the weekend that the Kasich campaign has reached out to Rubio and asked him to tell his supporters to drop the lawsuit.

“Senator Rubio should tell his people to drop this suit and to have his super-PAC quit attacking John Kasich in Florida,” Kasich campaign spokesman Rob Nichols told Bloomberg Politics.

The Rubio campaign has not responded to the request as of Tuesday morning.

Some might interpret the Kasich campaign reaching out to the Rubio campaign in an effort to get the lawsuit dropped as a signal that they are concerned about how the court may eventually decide the case.  Given the prior Commonwealth Court ruling on this exact issue, that concern is probably not misplaced.

So, as a report noted on CNN yesterday, these 13 minutes could be the saving grace not only for Gov. Kasich’s fate the Keystone State, but also that of the #NeverTrump wing of the GOP electorate.

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/john-kasichs-name-might-not-appear-on-the-pennsylvania-ballot/
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You seemed to skip over this part:

In a supplemental brief filed before the court on Monday, Otter cited Pennsylvania case law, including a more recent state Supreme Court opinion on a similar issue, which he says supports his position that a 5:00 p.m. cutoff deadline is appropriate under these circumstances.

 
I find it hilarious that Tim a self proclaimed t** sucking Clinton fan boy started a GOP thread.

Freaking hilarious.

 
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snogger said:
NorvilleBarnes said:
Ever? Weird.

Seriously, where do you predict his 2nd win will be?
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The convention ;)
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So I know I was "kind of joking" with my response.. But in reality, after the first "vote" at the convention, anyone that was in the race can become the candidate:

Most delegates bound by their state's primary or caucus results are only committed on the first ballot.

If subsequent ballots are needed, virtually all of the delegates can vote any way they want, said Gary Emineth, another unbound delegate from North Dakota.

"It could introduce Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, or it could be the other candidates that have already been in the race and are now out of the race [such as] Mike Huckabee [or] Rick Santorum. All those people could eventually become candidates on the floor," Emineth said.
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and thus the reason to get your :popcorn: out for the convention..

 
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snogger said:
So I know I was "kind of joking" with my response.. But in reality, after the first "vote" at the convention, anyone that was in the race can become the candidate:

and thus the reason to get your :popcorn: out for the convention..
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They (and by they I mean Republican congressional leaders) are certainly laying the groundwork for a Paul Ryan consensus choice today.  Seems stupid and counterproductive to float this at this point, but I'm sure they know what they are doing :oldunsure:

 
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3C's said:
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Man, if Rubio or Kasich had gotten out of the race prior to Tuesday, you'd have to think that at least 2/3rds of their vote would have gone to Cruz.  Even if we take out Florida, that'd have been enough for Cruz to win the other states.  We'd truly be looking at a wide open race.

 
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As much as I want Kasich to have a shot in a contested convention, Trump and Cruz are going to block it and make it a 2 man fight. :kicksrock:

 
James Daulton said:
Man, if Rubio or Kasich had gotten out of the race prior to Tuesday, you'd have to think that at least 2/3rds of their vote would have gone to Cruz.  Even if we take out Florida, that'd have been enough for Cruz to win the other states.  We'd truly be looking at a wide open race.
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Bush, Cruz, Rubio, Huckabee, Paul must have spent $200 million in advertising negative against each other meanwhile by one report I saw Donald has gotten $2 billion in free tv time. People forget he entered in 10th place.

 
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3C's said:
As much as I want Kasich to have a shot in a contested convention, Trump and Cruz are going to block it and make it a 2 man fight. :kicksrock:
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How would they block it :confused:

per my post above, if on the first vote at the convention no one wins, then it is open to any and all that were in the race, including Kasich, Paul Ryan, etc...

 
3C's said:
As much as I want Kasich to have a shot in a contested convention, Trump and Cruz are going to block it and make it a 2 man fight. :kicksrock:
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But Trump and Cruz don't have any say in a contested convention.  The delegates can do what that want.  Sure, many will be loyal to their candidate at first but others didn't even support the candidate to begin with.  I'm convinced that nobody has any idea how it will turn out. 

 
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Getzlaf15 said:
3C's said:
Trump, Cruz vow to barricade Kasich from convention


The two leading GOP campaigns intend to muscle the Ohio governor out of the race.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/trump-cruz-kasich-convention-220846
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If a contested convention arrives, and Kasich is dramatically outpolling Trump and Cruz against Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, convention delegates may make judgments based on political calculus.

 
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That's what the Kasich people are saying in that piece but I think it's a pipe dream.

 
Rath said that if Trump and Cruz are unable to break a deadlock to hand one of them the nomination, convention delegates can suspend their rules — including the eight-state threshold — to give other candidates the chance to put their names forward. Paul Ryan, who as House speaker presides over the convention, would preside over that process — and his determinations on suspending convention rules could carry the day. Rath added that a deadlocked situation could also elevate Kasich as critical tie breaker — perhaps the key to assembling a winning coalition.

 

 
3C's said:
Trump, Cruz vow to barricade Kasich from convention


The two leading GOP campaigns intend to muscle the Ohio governor out of the race.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/trump-cruz-kasich-convention-220846
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here is the "catch" though:

There’s a small chance Cruz could fail to meet the target as well. He’s only won majority support in four contests so far. Trump, with a dominant win in the Northern Mariana Islands early Tuesday, became the first candidate to cross the threshold.

To be sure, the convention rules will get a thorough review and revision when delegates convene in Cleveland, raising the possibility that the threshold to participate could be lowered, making room for Kasich. But with Trump and Cruz delegates at the helm, it’s unlikely they’ll adjust it to help a rival.

 
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So, if Cruz doesn't hit the "target" then his group will have to try and adjust the rules. Thus opening the door for others to say WHO can be part of the contested convention..

Cruz and Trump, for now, will claim no one else has a chance except those two so as to draw voters away from Kasich..

But if Cruz doesn't hit the current target set by rules set forth at the last convention , and Trump doesn't get enough Delegates, then all bets are off on just who the candidate will be after the convention. .. :popcorn:

 
Sammy3469 said:
Here's a stupid question, but why isn't a Trump/Cruz ticket the most likely scenario in a contested convention?
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Because the party hates both of them and recent polls have Kasich with best chance of beating Hillary.

 
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Getzlaf15 said:
Because the party hates both of them and recent polls have Kasich with best chance of beating Hillary.
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Yeah...and they'll have the vast majority of the delegates between them.  Even if some get peeled off they'll still have a majority between them. 

I guess there's no love lost between the two of them, but Pres and VP nominations are pretty good outcomes for both of them. 

 
Sammy3469 said:
Yeah...and they'll have the vast majority of the delegates between them.  Even if some get peeled off they'll still have a majority between them. 

I guess there's no love lost between the two of them, but Pres and VP nominations are pretty good outcomes for both of them. 
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You're right, why would Cruz accept nothing when he could be Donald's VP?

It would just be a matter of principle. Sure Cruz could sell out and accept the pot of gold, lifetime massages from 19 year old call girls, or eternal ice cream, or imperial consul, or whatever it was he offered Christie, Carson & Sessions, but straight up Donald represents everything Cruz professes to believe he's against. Of course that didn't stop him from embracing Donald last summer either.

Otoh Cruz could just as well demand the nomination and bring on Kasich, Rubio or someone else as VP and do even better anyway.

 
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IvanKaramazov said:
Because such a ticket would cause the Republican party to collapse upon itself, turning it into a singularity of infinite density.  
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No doubt, but the Boehner/Ryan fantasy that all these delegates will magically coalesce around someone else seems more than a little like it's in fantasyland.  I know they don't stay committed, but all these delegates will presumably also have an anti-DC bent as well.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
You're right, why would Cruz accept nothing when he could be Donald's VP?

It would just be a matter of principle. Sure Cruz could sell out and reject the pot of gold, lifetime massages from 19 year old call girls, or eternal ice cream, or imperial consul, or whatever it was he offered Christie, Carson & Sessions, but straight up Donakd represents everything Cruz professes to believe in. Of course that didn't stop him from embracing Donald last summer either.

Otoh Cruz could just as well demand the nomination and bring on Kasich, Rubio or someone else as VP and do even better anyway.
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No doubt, but Boehner/Ryan are parroting a not Trump/not Cruz line of magically putting in someone else.  I have no idea how easy/hard that is with the convention rules, but if the two of them have 1800-1900 of the delegates between them, a not-Trump-Cruz position just seems really really really hard to pull off.   Polling be damned. 

 
sho nuff said:
A Trump guy criticizing other people for falling for something.

Classic.
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These guys are all liars,  including your great liberal leaders.  I'm voting for Trump.  That's true.  It's not because I believe or agree with everything that he says.  He's the best option to me in a long list of terrible candidates.   It wouldnt make much sense for me to mock Trump supporters if I'm voting for him, now would it. 

 
bolzano said:
Kasich's lawyers made an appeal to "similar cases", whereas Rubio's are relying on a case that covers the "exact issue" at hand. Therefore, I don't think it's clear at all that Kasich wins the suit. That being said, I do think the most just decision would be to allow Kasich to remain on the ballot, as it doesn't seem right to disallow ballot access to a leading presidential candidate, thereby effectively ending his candidacy. IMO, it would disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters.
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Agree, esp since Rubio is no longer running. Now, if that group is now pro-Cruz I suppose they'll march on.

 
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bolzano said:
Kasich's lawyers made an appeal to "similar cases", whereas Rubio's are relying on a case that covers the "exact issue" at hand. Therefore, I don't think it's clear at all that Kasich wins the suit. That being said, I do think the most just decision would be to allow Kasich to remain on the ballot, as it doesn't seem right to disallow ballot access to a leading presidential candidate, thereby effectively ending his candidacy. IMO, it would disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters.
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Agree, esp since Rubio is no longer running. Now, if that group is now pro-Cruz I suppose they'll march on.
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That, to me, is what is going to be interesting to see.. I, along with others, were thinking that if Rubio was out his percentage of votes would have gone to Cruz..

But in reality, Rubio and Kasich view points on things are a lot more similar then Cruz and Rubio's.. So now, will his voters arrive to vote for Cruz, Kasich, or a mix?

:popcorn:

 
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