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*Official 2016 Philadelphia Eagles* - The year of Change (1 Viewer)

Deamon said:
Yes, twice I brought him up, not "at least three", and my exact quote was "Cox hasn't gone to voluntary workouts either.  Obviously not comparing the two in terms of value"... I was making a point that players miss voluntary workouts all the time and it's hardly mentioned anywhere.  But again, picking and choosing your parts of quotes and then making up that there are more in order to support your case seems to be the norm for you.  Hopefully you can adjust that before the season starts.

Again, I didn't bring up an imaginary conversation.  I'm saying probably more went on then you're allowing your single-tracked mind to believe.  Did Sam and Howie ever talk before they signed him?  Or after?  Probably.  But you seem to be the only one in the world who knows exactly what was said with exact certainty.  That's a great skill and maybe you can fill us in on more conversations that you read the transcripts for next season.

You keep downplaying this hatred aspect and playing both sides of the coin.  On one hand you paint him to have done something so horrifically bad (torpedoed his career with this bold move, he will be booed, I don't even want to think about my team's starting quarterback this year, etc), and then go on to say that all will be forgotten come June and most won't care.  Based on the history of a lot of our fans, and yourself, forgiving a player simply isn't the sure thing you claim it to be.  Hopefully any time he has a bad game you don't rush back with your infamous "I told you so" posts that you love so much.  Can't we just cheer for Sam/Philly's successes this year and then for Wentz/Philly's successes next year without flooding any more negativity into the in-season threads then we already have to deal with?

 
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OMG! Can you two females let it go?!!? Jeez Deamon, you want to argue so bad that you actually "multi quote" the same dam replies. Do you earn frequent flyer miles on this site or what? Please get off the Boohoo Sam parade and let's discuss relevant players. Jeez

 
G-King said:
OMG! Can you two females let it go?!!? Jeez Deamon, you want to argue so bad that you actually "multi quote" the same dam replies. Do you earn frequent flyer miles on this site or what? Please get off the Boohoo Sam parade and let's discuss relevant players. Jeez
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I think our starting quarterback is a relevant player.  I did talk about Halapoulivaati Vaitai in the post above if you find him more relevant though :P

But yes I'm going to defend it when he makes claims about what I said that aren't true.  If you go back and look I've responded to most posts but very rarely if ever came here and brought anything up about him.

 
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so i know Howie has got a lot of love for this off-season, and he has certainly done a good job, but some recent news has come out that i hope isn't a pattern. They talk about how the Eagles asking price for Bradford was too high (2 2nds is the rumours, take that for what it is worth). i can see the rationale there because the Eagles weren't the team in need, but i wonder if Howie held out for too much. The more concerning thing for me was the multiple articles i keep seeing where it talks about how the Browns organization was so surprised at how much they got in return for the #2 pick. it sounds like Howie could have gotten a better deal, but panicked a little bit. hopefully it is nothing and Wentz will be the franchise QB we all hope he will be, and hopefully these were anomalies.

 
modogg said:
so i know Howie has got a lot of love for this off-season, and he has certainly done a good job, but some recent news has come out that i hope isn't a pattern. They talk about how the Eagles asking price for Bradford was too high (2 2nds is the rumours, take that for what it is worth). i can see the rationale there because the Eagles weren't the team in need, but i wonder if Howie held out for too much. The more concerning thing for me was the multiple articles i keep seeing where it talks about how the Browns organization was so surprised at how much they got in return for the #2 pick. it sounds like Howie could have gotten a better deal, but panicked a little bit. hopefully it is nothing and Wentz will be the franchise QB we all hope he will be, and hopefully these were anomalies.
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Yeah I heard the thing about the Browns and wanted to throw up in my mouth a little. But then the guy said, "this trade by Cleveland will be the center piece of a championship." Dude...its Cleveland. If eagles fans can punk another team about "how many titles ya got!?" It's them LOL

 
modogg said:
so i know Howie has got a lot of love for this off-season, and he has certainly done a good job, but some recent news has come out that i hope isn't a pattern. They talk about how the Eagles asking price for Bradford was too high (2 2nds is the rumours, take that for what it is worth). i can see the rationale there because the Eagles weren't the team in need, but i wonder if Howie held out for too much. The more concerning thing for me was the multiple articles i keep seeing where it talks about how the Browns organization was so surprised at how much they got in return for the #2 pick. it sounds like Howie could have gotten a better deal, but panicked a little bit. hopefully it is nothing and Wentz will be the franchise QB we all hope he will be, and hopefully these were anomalies.
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The Cleveland front office is in a tough spot. They have to convince their fan base his wasn't just a good thing for both teams. They have to far and away win this thing. Showing that is much more difficult so the PR campaign coming out is how surprised that were at how awesome this trade was and how many championships they're going to win because of it. 

I think it's a good move for both teams but it'll be a hard pill to swallow for Cleveland if Wentz is the real deal. Just like it will be for us if he can't play.

 
Insein said:
The Cleveland front office is in a tough spot. They have to convince their fan base his wasn't just a good thing for both teams. They have to far and away win this thing. Showing that is much more difficult so the PR campaign coming out is how surprised that were at how awesome this trade was and how many championships they're going to win because of it. 

I think it's a good move for both teams but it'll be a hard pill to swallow for Cleveland if Wentz is the real deal. Just like it will be for us if he can't play.
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That's spot on! When you really get down to it, it's very unlikely that both teams make out. It all hinges on Wentz. If he's the real deal, it won't matter how many pieces Cleveland gets unless RG3 reverts to his rookie success.

 
modogg said:
so i know Howie has got a lot of love for this off-season, and he has certainly done a good job, but some recent news has come out that i hope isn't a pattern. They talk about how the Eagles asking price for Bradford was too high (2 2nds is the rumours, take that for what it is worth). i can see the rationale there because the Eagles weren't the team in need, but i wonder if Howie held out for too much. The more concerning thing for me was the multiple articles i keep seeing where it talks about how the Browns organization was so surprised at how much they got in return for the #2 pick. it sounds like Howie could have gotten a better deal, but panicked a little bit. hopefully it is nothing and Wentz will be the franchise QB we all hope he will be, and hopefully these were anomalies.
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I wonder how their starting QB felt when they came out and said  "you shouldn't have to give up that much to move up to #2 for a QB"

 
modogg said:
so i know Howie has got a lot of love for this off-season, and he has certainly done a good job, but some recent news has come out that i hope isn't a pattern. They talk about how the Eagles asking price for Bradford was too high (2 2nds is the rumours, take that for what it is worth). i can see the rationale there because the Eagles weren't the team in need, but i wonder if Howie held out for too much. The more concerning thing for me was the multiple articles i keep seeing where it talks about how the Browns organization was so surprised at how much they got in return for the #2 pick. it sounds like Howie could have gotten a better deal, but panicked a little bit. hopefully it is nothing and Wentz will be the franchise QB we all hope he will be, and hopefully these were anomalies.
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Yeah, I don't know.  Regarding Bradford, I think that Howie is still determined not to punt this season.  Sure, he probably could have given up Bradford for a song if he just wanted to be done with him, but I think that they want to still be in play this season, while grooming Wentz.

Regarding the Browns, no one really knows what that pick should be worth.  Getting all those picks may have been a real coup for the Browns in their situation.  If Wentz turns out to be a Pro Bowl QB, it will be a steal.  If he can't hack it, it will be a major blunder.  This is an extreme situation and hard to put an absolute value on.

 
A bit of talk today about how we fielded trade offers for Sproles during the draft, and that some are predicting he doesn't even make our final roster.  This is a tough one... he's been awesome for us and everytime he's counted out he seems to just kill it.  Would like to keep him but no way we keep 4 RBs.  Assuming Smallwood makes the team, I'd be a little surprised if Sproles made it over Barner, the way we are building our team.   Also wouldn't be surprised if Howie wanted to get Barner the heck out though.

Just move Sproles to WR, we need the help :P

EDT: 

Eagles coach Doug Pederson said the team did not attempt to trade RB Darren Sproles.
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Eagles fielded trade calls for Sproles during the draft, which is different than attempting to trade him. Sproles has skipped all voluntary events this offseason, but Pederson said he does not want to be traded and will be part of the team.
 
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The Noid said:
Sam is completely throwing Condon under the bus in the presser. 
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That's what an agent is for.

Bigboy10182000 said:
Remember when Brandon Boykin was a thing? He's looking for his 4th team in the last 10 months. Ouch 
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Not too happy we traded for him.  I was at the time, but with how he turned out it was clearly a mistake.  Apparently we wanted to trade back up to the 5th (what we sent the eagles for him) so we could have used that pick.

 
Boykin thing is odd - I mean, he clearly did very well on the field when he played here - but to be ditched by 3 teams in a short timespan like that - and the Panthers didn't even let him make it to OTA's.  Must be some behind the scenes stuff there.

 
babydemon90 said:
Boykin thing is odd - I mean, he clearly did very well on the field when he played here - but to be ditched by 3 teams in a short timespan like that - and the Panthers didn't even let him make it to OTA's.  Must be some behind the scenes stuff there.
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"Culture"

 
The Noid said:
Sam is completely throwing Condon under the bus in the presser. 
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I'm too busy at work to listen to the presser right now, but FFS, why should this surprise anyone? Of course Sam's not gonna come out and say "It was my idea to demand a trade and I'm still pissed off it didn't work out," for the same reason he wasn't putting himself in front of the media in the days after he walked out of OTA's.

Condon played the role his client wants him to play, and Bradford maintains a veneer of plausible deniability. At least he stayed in character instead of going into full T.O. meltdown mode the first time he spoke in public.

 
Deamon said:
http://livestream.com/accounts/8109350/events/2963279

No matter what he says he's going to take criticism for it in here.  People's minds are made up about him.  I'm happy he at least stepped up and answered questions and addressed it.
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:no:  gotta disagree Debbie Downer. I don't expect people to jump in jubilation for Sam either, but what he said sounded reasonable. could have said it a few weeks ago, but makes sense he had to get his head right about the situation and he really doesn't owe fans anything. Of course we see how that approach is turning out, but I think he presented it well that the situation had him disgruntled and he didn't want to come in and practice discouraged.

Again, (for me, like others I imagine) I am more indifferent about Sam then I am in an outrage about him. If he does well then good for him and getting a better situation for next year. Eagles aren't committed to him in the long-term, and are actually doing a solid for him by letting him know this is his job and giving him a chance to audition for other teams.

 
modogg said:
:no:  gotta disagree Debbie Downer. I don't expect people to jump in jubilation for Sam either, but what he said sounded reasonable. could have said it a few weeks ago, but makes sense he had to get his head right about the situation and he really doesn't owe fans anything. Of course we see how that approach is turning out, but I think he presented it well that the situation had him disgruntled and he didn't want to come in and practice discouraged.

Again, (for me, like others I imagine) I am more indifferent about Sam then I am in an outrage about him. If he does well then good for him and getting a better situation for next year. Eagles aren't committed to him in the long-term, and are actually doing a solid for him by letting him know this is his job and giving him a chance to audition for other teams.
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:thumbup:

I don't have as much faith in the others.  I'm not jumping for joy for him, I'm excited for Wentz.  Just good to have some clarity on the situation.  Seems this was a lot more agent-driven then some would like to believe.

 
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Lehigh98 said:
"Hey guys, I saw a chance to become the starting QB for the superbowl f***ing champions, sue me."
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:lmao:  I honestly can't think of a better response from him then this. of course current teammates wouldn't love it, but it would have come off better than letting the media run with it for 2 weeks

 
What worries me is just how hard is this dude going to get after it on Sunday's, knowing his ticket out is punched? It's 3rd and 4 and he's scrambling, is he diving for that first down or running out of bounds? He didn't sound too convincing to me that he's going to get that extra yard. 

 
Billy Bats said:
What worries me is just how hard is this dude going to get after it on Sunday's, knowing his ticket out is punched? It's 3rd and 4 and he's scrambling, is he diving for that first down or running out of bounds? He didn't sound too convincing to me that he's going to get that extra yard. 
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Bradford is still a huge question mark for any team that may be pursuing him.  It would behoove him to play as hard as possible to impress potential suitors.  Don't you think?  Also, I'm sure he's going to go on a personal mission to prove that the Eagles made a mistake.

 
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fred_1_15301 said:
Bradford is still a huge question mark for any team that may be pursuing him.  It would behoove him to play as hard as possible to impress potential suitors.  Don't you think?  Also, I'm sure he's going to go on a personal mission to prove that the Eagles made a mistake.
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Agreed, but at the same time he isn't going to want to get hurt so he might shy away from contact in certain situations like described above.  Who knows what's going on in his head or his motivations.

 
fred_1_15301 said:
Bradford is still a huge question mark for any team that may be pursuing him.  It would behoove him to play as hard as possible to impress potential suitors.  Don't you think?  Also, I'm sure he's going to go on a personal mission to prove that the Eagles made a mistake.
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All true. That personal mission is what we have to hope for but what jasvic said worries me but then bigboy brought up a solid point. :lol:  

 
I don't think the NFC East will be as woeful as last year anyway.  IMO we were going 7-9, 8-8 with  motivated Bradford anyway. I think whoever wins the East this year will be 10-6. 

So let's just get through this year and get to Wentz.

 
Insein said:
I don't think the NFC East will be as woeful as last year anyway.  IMO we were going 7-9, 8-8 with  motivated Bradford anyway. I think whoever wins the East this year will be 10-6. 

So let's just get through this year and get to Wentz.
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Our div is definitely going to be better.  It will be 9 or 10 wins for sure to take it.  I think we can hit 9.

 
Ran into Vinny Curry at work earlier this week. Not a good thing, considering I work at a prison. He came in to post a $15k bond on a guy charged with attempted burglary. 

Make some better friends Vin... please.

 
modogg said:
so i know Howie has got a lot of love for this off-season, and he has certainly done a good job, but some recent news has come out that i hope isn't a pattern. They talk about how the Eagles asking price for Bradford was too high (2 2nds is the rumours, take that for what it is worth). i can see the rationale there because the Eagles weren't the team in need, but i wonder if Howie held out for too much. The more concerning thing for me was the multiple articles i keep seeing where it talks about how the Browns organization was so surprised at how much they got in return for the #2 pick. it sounds like Howie could have gotten a better deal, but panicked a little bit. hopefully it is nothing and Wentz will be the franchise QB we all hope he will be, and hopefully these were anomalies.
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I don't think Howie really won or lost as far as value goes in that trade.  He did a good job spreading the picks over the next couple of years.  What we paid was about what I expected we'd pay if it was going to happen.

Browns won't be patting themselves on the back so hard if they still don't have a QB in 5 years.  They can't be serious about RG3 can they?  There's no guarantees on Wentz, but the stuff I posted earlier in the offseason shows that by far the best chance for a QB to pan out is one taken in the Top 10.

 
Ash said:
I don't think Howie really won or lost as far as value goes in that trade.  He did a good job spreading the picks over the next couple of years.  What we paid was about what I expected we'd pay if it was going to happen.

Browns won't be patting themselves on the back so hard if they still don't have a QB in 5 years.  They can't be serious about RG3 can they?  There's no guarantees on Wentz, but the stuff I posted earlier in the offseason shows that by far the best chance for a QB to pan out is one taken in the Top 10.
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I think Cleveland looked at it as they will still suck and get a QB next year so might as well get some picks.

 
Insein said:
I think Cleveland looked at it as they will still suck and get a QB next year so might as well get some picks.
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I can see the argument but who says the next year or two of QBs might not be like those years when there's either only one, or worse, zero strong QB prospects.  Turning down something that's right in front of you for something that *might* be available in the future is a bold move.  #Analytics

I'd do exactly what the Browns did, except if I didn't have a QB.  Then I wouldn't try and outsmart myself.

 
Ash said:
I can see the argument but who says the next year or two of QBs might not be like those years when there's either only one, or worse, zero strong QB prospects.  Turning down something that's right in front of you for something that *might* be available in the future is a bold move.  #Analytics

I'd do exactly what the Browns did, except if I didn't have a QB.  Then I wouldn't try and outsmart myself.
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Well they haven't tried being smart at all yet. So they're giving it a shot.

 
Insein said:
Frank Reich saying there's an "open competition" for starting QB. 

So there's that.
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I was about to jump on Reich for coming right out basically contradicting what his own boss told the media just a week ago, but when you read what he actually said, it's not really that cut and dried:

“No, that’s probably not the right impression,” Reich said. “I’ve been around this business a long time as a player and as a coach, and one of the things I’ve really come to appreciate is it’s not a contradiction to say you’ve got to have order. Because if you don’t order it’s chaos. So, if you’re the head coach you gotta come in and you’ve gotta establish order. There has to be organization, there has to be order, but the other thing that — as coaches — that you’ve got to establish is a culture of competition. This is one of the most competitive industries in the world and so, to say that there’s not competition, that’s just the furthest thing from the truth."
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Even given that he was responding to a question about Bradford being the #1, I basically read this as, "I'm not saying Bradford's our starter ... but I'm not saying that he's not our starter."

 
Just confirmed yesterday I'll be working the goal post nets for a quarter during the home opener vs. CLE. Redeemed some points from my Eagles Visa with Barclaycard for one of the "NFL experience" rewards. 

I fully expect no TD's or FG attempts in that endzone. But at least I'll get to wear a cool, striped safety vest! 

 
The Noid said:
Just confirmed yesterday I'll be working the goal post nets for a quarter during the home opener vs. CLE. Redeemed some points from my Eagles Visa with Barclaycard for one of the "NFL experience" rewards. 

I fully expect no TD's or FG attempts in that endzone. But at least I'll get to wear a cool, striped safety vest! 
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What a cool experience.  I've seen the commercials but not a participant.

ANy chance you guys get to keep a ball if kicked through (guessing not) or could possibly get an autograph or two? 

 
Shutout said:
What a cool experience.  I've seen the commercials but not a participant.

ANy chance you guys get to keep a ball if kicked through (guessing not) or could possibly get an autograph or two? 
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Don't know. Also includes 2 tickets to the game. Won't know the seats until closer to the season, though. Not bad for 35,000 points (same as $350 cash back.) Last year it was like 90,000, so never even considered it. But this year they seemed to have slashed the redemption costs. Full season reserved parking is 10,000 ($100 vs. $350 for season ticket holders) so I also cashed in for that, too. That was listed at 40,000 points last year.

 
Insein said:
Walter Thurmond retired. Odd but I guess he figured get out while he was relatively healthy.
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Just heard a report that it's official. Pursuing a career as a Film Director.

 
Foles is now holding out due to The Rams selecting a QB at #1.  Now THIS is funny... I thought he was on the roster bubble and not even supposed to start?

 
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