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*Official 2016 Philadelphia Eagles* - The year of Change (1 Viewer)

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Yikes. If he did it, he's done, and should be. 

But even if he didn't do it, unless clear video turns up that proves he didn't, he's still done. A bad time to expect the benefit of the doubt.

Marcus Smith might not be our biggest 1st round bust recently...

 
Deamon said:
Benjamin Allbright ‏@AllbrightNFL 1h1 hour ago
#Eagles source intimating that Nelson Agholor feels like he was "set up"


 
SPORTSRADIO 94WIP Verified account ‏@SportsRadioWIP 40m40 minutes ago
Agholor's attorney: "Nelson has not been involved in any criminal conduct whatsoever." |
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Gotta wait until the facts come out but when he was drafted I remember reading countless things about how Agholor was a high character guy.  If a stripper was ever gonna pull a moneygrab move like this, it's probably one working the weekday afternoon shifts.

If he did it, I hope he rots in jail.  If he was set up, even if he's cleared these accusations are gonna stick with him for the rest of his life.

 
There was some tweet this weekend that was something to the effect of: "Agholor had negotiated one hour in the VIP room for $1400.  The dancer didn't stay the whole time so he only paid her $800."  Not sure about the validity or whatever, but don't understand how that turns into a rape accusation.

Here, found the link: reported details

 
Polish Hammer said:
There was some tweet this weekend that was something to the effect of: "Agholor had negotiated one hour in the VIP room for $1400.  The dancer didn't stay the whole time so he only paid her $800."  Not sure about the validity or whatever, but don't understand how that turns into a rape accusation.

Here, found the link: reported details
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I used to work in a strip club. I find this story believable.

$1400 for an afternoon VIP??  Agholor, looking forward to seeing you in Broke 2: Electric Boogaloo

 
Polish Hammer said:
There was some tweet this weekend that was something to the effect of: "Agholor had negotiated one hour in the VIP room for $1400.  The dancer didn't stay the whole time so he only paid her $800."  Not sure about the validity or whatever, but don't understand how that turns into a rape accusation.

Here, found the link: reported details
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So we know who isn't a 60 minute man now.

 
Top tweet so far.

"In other news the dancer at Cheerleader's said, '$103 million. Did I say Nelson Agholor? I meant Fletcher Cox.'"

 
Love this feature that deletes what you types when you navigate away from the page. 

Forget it now. Don't feel like retyping.

 
Just heard about Buddy, He was having some health issues. I remember watching an 85 Bears special and Singletary went for a visit. It was tough for Mike to see Buddy like that. 

RIP Buddy you will be missed.

 
Buddy Ryan was the Eagles coach when I first became a fan around 1990.  For someone who'd never seen the game before, watching Randall run around and that defense beat the hell out of people is what made the sport fun to watch.  The swagger and aggressiveness that unit played with is what hooked me on this team, and as I started to learn about the game, it was Reggie White, Jerome Brown, Seth Joyner, Clyde Simmons, Eric Allen, Wes Hopkins and the rest of Gang Green who showed me how it was done.  That was the gang and Buddy was their leader.

I remember the a 5 minute highlight package covering the Body Bag game and I'd never seen anything like it; one team just physically destroying the other.  He certainly had his flaws as a Head Coach, but what he was good at, nobody ever did better.

Thanks Buddy, you made yourself part of this team forever.

 
Ash said:
Buddy Ryan was the Eagles coach when I first became a fan around 1990.  For someone who'd never seen the game before, watching Randall run around and that defense beat the hell out of people is what made the sport fun to watch.  The swagger and aggressiveness that unit played with is what hooked me on this team, and as I started to learn about the game, it was Reggie White, Jerome Brown, Seth Joyner, Clyde Simmons, Eric Allen, Wes Hopkins and the rest of Gang Green who showed me how it was done.  That was the gang and Buddy was their leader.

I remember the a 5 minute highlight package covering the Body Bag game and I'd never seen anything like it; one team just physically destroying the other.  He certainly had his flaws as a Head Coach, but what he was good at, nobody ever did better.

Thanks Buddy, you made yourself part of this team forever.
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Well put. FWIW, I never quite understood why Wes Hopkins was constantly in and out of Buddy's doghouse.

 
JaxBill said:
Well put. FWIW, I never quite understood why Wes Hopkins was constantly in and out of Buddy's doghouse.
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I was pretty young during early Buddy, but IMO it was because Hopkins was a holdover from the Campbell team.  Buddy seemed to love tweaking the guys he didn't bring in, Wes, Quick, Jaws, Spags etc.  I suppose Reggie was one too but he's Reggie

 
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This lack of anything happening is killing me.  Keep checking the thread every day and nothing.  Someone talk about something or can we at least argue about Bradford or something?  (kidding)

Well hey, here's something on kickers:

Eliot Shorr-Parks of NJ Advanced Media listed Cody Parkey as the Eagles' starting kicker in his latest roster projections. 

CSN Philly's Dave Zangaro previously reported that Caleb Sturgis had a "slight edge" over Parkey, so there's either a difference of opinion among beat reporters or Parkey has made up ground in the last month. Parkey missed most of last season with a torn groin but was excellent as a rookie in 2014. The battle for the Eagles' starting kicker job should go down to the wire.
 
Deamon said:
Someone talk about something...
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  :lmao:   OK, I'll talk about how happy I am to see them running a 4-3 again, and why I hope Jim Schwartz gets another HC job.

I hated the 3-4, even at those times it looked good I still never really warmed to it.  The thing I disliked most was the 2-gap aspect, because it means playing passively, in particular it hamstrung the unit's best player.  I hate that on principle, but I also think the days where you can be an effective D playing that way are long gone.  Offense is getting too easy, over the last few years both team and individual offensive stats have climbed steadily.  I don't think it's realistic any more to think you can limit a team on 1st and 2nd down and then stop them short on 3rd and 2.  These days I think it's tough to end drives without negative plays (for the Offense).  With yardage being easier than ever to generate, turnovers, sacks (or TFLs)  and penalties I think are the key.  I don't think "bend, don't break" works any more, at least not as an overall approach.

We don't have the perfect personnel for this new style, the pass rush (from DE at least) is a question mark and we don't have clear cut starters at CB, we really need Rowe to pan out, but I'd expect a few early picks in these positions, particularly CB over the next 2 years.  Best case is Curry becomes a 10 sack guy and Barwin / Graham play solidly on the other side and we can concentrate on personnel upgrades at CB.  Even if McKelvin / Carroll play well, they're short term propositions.

For Schwartz to be a HC candidate again, the D has to have overachieved and become the best unit on the team.  For a DC it would at least 2 years, possibly 3 of consistent results for that to happen, because everyone wants O.  If we get 2-3 years of Top 10 D, then I think Schwartz has paid his dues here and I'd be happy to wish him all the best as the next HC of the Cleveland Browns.  By that time, I'd be hoping Wentz has established himself as a Top 10 starter, Agholor has developed and stayed out of, you know, prison and Ertz is being lauded as the next Tony Gonzales.

It might take that long to restock at RB / WR and bring Wentz along, and that needs to happen.  I hope they don't do to him what Andy did to McNabb, ie surround him with stiffs early in his career.  Matthews is OK and Ertz is a weapon I expect Pederson to use much better than Kelly did, but we need a #1 WR (I hope that's Agholor) and I'd be surprised if any of the RBs bar Smallwood was on the roster next year.  In the back half of a good QBs career, it's fair to expect them to elevate those around them, but I think they need playmakers to lean on early.

Flame away.  :ph34r:

 
Ash said:
  :lmao:   OK, I'll talk about how happy I am to see them running a 4-3 again, and why I hope Jim Schwartz gets another HC job.

I hated the 3-4, even at those times it looked good I still never really warmed to it.  The thing I disliked most was the 2-gap aspect, because it means playing passively, in particular it hamstrung the unit's best player.  I hate that on principle, but I also think the days where you can be an effective D playing that way are long gone.  Offense is getting too easy, over the last few years both team and individual offensive stats have climbed steadily.  I don't think it's realistic any more to think you can limit a team on 1st and 2nd down and then stop them short on 3rd and 2.  These days I think it's tough to end drives without negative plays (for the Offense).  With yardage being easier than ever to generate, turnovers, sacks (or TFLs)  and penalties I think are the key.  I don't think "bend, don't break" works any more, at least not as an overall approach.

We don't have the perfect personnel for this new style, the pass rush (from DE at least) is a question mark and we don't have clear cut starters at CB, we really need Rowe to pan out, but I'd expect a few early picks in these positions, particularly CB over the next 2 years.  Best case is Curry becomes a 10 sack guy and Barwin / Graham play solidly on the other side and we can concentrate on personnel upgrades at CB.  Even if McKelvin / Carroll play well, they're short term propositions.

For Schwartz to be a HC candidate again, the D has to have overachieved and become the best unit on the team.  For a DC it would at least 2 years, possibly 3 of consistent results for that to happen, because everyone wants O.  If we get 2-3 years of Top 10 D, then I think Schwartz has paid his dues here and I'd be happy to wish him all the best as the next HC of the Cleveland Browns.  By that time, I'd be hoping Wentz has established himself as a Top 10 starter, Agholor has developed and stayed out of, you know, prison and Ertz is being lauded as the next Tony Gonzales.

It might take that long to restock at RB / WR and bring Wentz along, and that needs to happen.  I hope they don't do to him what Andy did to McNabb, ie surround him with stiffs early in his career.  Matthews is OK and Ertz is a weapon I expect Pederson to use much better than Kelly did, but we need a #1 WR (I hope that's Agholor) and I'd be surprised if any of the RBs bar Smallwood was on the roster next year.  In the back half of a good QBs career, it's fair to expect them to elevate those around them, but I think they need playmakers to lean on early.

Flame away.  :ph34r:
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Awesome, thanks for firing that up.  When I first read your statement about Schwartz being a HC again I was against it, but knowing it will probably be 3 years does help.  It's a sad reality of the game when you finally get a good coordinator in that's clicking and has built something, then he becomes a hot commodity and is gone.  But I guess that means we've done great if he ends up getting a HC job and has hopefully developed a DL/LB/DB coach to jump into that roll like McDermott did with JJ.  The only fear is that since he has HC experience, it might only be 2 years he sticks around if he turns our D into a great unit.

Gonna go with over on the Cox sacks... but just barely.  11 or 11.5.

Thanks again.  Always feel like reading your posts makes me a smarter football fan each time.

 

 
Deamon said:
When I first read your statement about Schwartz being a HC again I was against it, but knowing it will probably be 3 years does help.  It's a sad reality of the game when you finally get a good coordinator in that's clicking and has built something, then he becomes a hot commodity and is gone.  B
 
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I think in any organisation, not just a coaching staff, you want to be surrounded by talented, ambitious people.  They do end up moving on, but as long as you can replace them adequately you get the benefit of their ability, and it creates an environment where good people want to be.

It worked really well for Andy early on.  Andy has a pretty big coaching tree, it's only because most of them had middling success elsewhere he doesn't get more recognition. Brad Childress, Leslie Frazier, John Harbaugh, Steve Spagnuolo, Ron Rivera and Pat Shurmur all became HCs.  It's only when Andy lost touch with the up and coming coaching set and had to make Castillo the DC and exhume the corpse of Howard Mudd things all went to hell.

 
For anyone going to the open practices, this is a good $18 ($15 + $3 service fee) well-spent:

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/spotlightforum/

Get to park in lot J, don't have to wait in the general admission line, hear some football talk, enjoy free donuts (or pretzels), get a couple of autographs, take home a poster and get early entry into the lower level seating on the Eagles sideline. 

They also usually do some random prize raffles during these. 

 
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Remind me, were ther questions about Agholar catching the ball coming out of college?  I dont recall them, but it seems every report is that he still can't catch. very depressing...we need him to take the next step.

 
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Remind me, were ther questions about Agholar catching the ball coming out of college?  I dont recall them, but it seems every report is that he still can't catch. very depressing...we need him to take the next step.
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Just went back and reread a few, his hands were consistently described as at least above average.

I'm not too worried about it for now, young WRs often struggle with the big mental jump (coverage reads, option routes etc) in the NFL which makes everything harder for them, including catching until it clicks, if it ever does.  Nelson probably isn't going to be helped by the scheme change, at least for the first part of the year.  I'd like to see him standout in camp and win a starting job, but I'm not counting on it.

USC WRs have a history of underachieving in the NFL, that concerns me more.  There hasn't been one make a real impact since Keyshawn Johnson.  Hopefully Nelson will break the streak.

 
Eliot Shorr-Parks of NJ Advanced Media listed Rueben Randle ahead of Nelson Agholor in his latest depth chart projections.
Shorr-Parks previously wrote that Agholor will open camp as the No. 2 wideout, but he isn't convinced it will stay that way. Agholor's rookie year was a total flop and he reportedly dropped too many passes at OTAs. He's also had some off-field drama.
 

Yikes... I know its early but was hoping Nelson would be tearing it up already.  God we need a stud WR.
 
I've been watching some of last years games again, as well as watching some Chiefs games to get some ideas on what the Offense might look like.  Some random thoughts.

  • Paid some attention to Agholor due to the questions about his hands.  He didn't get thrown to much so nothing to say good or bad there, but his explosiveness did stand out.  He has incredible burst over the first few steps.  There was a pair of back to back plays near the goal line in the WAS game where he ran a post corner and just smoked his man on the 2nd move, was wide open and Bradford overthrew him out the back of the end zone.  Next play was trips left with Nelson isolated on the right.  Bradford threw a short completion to Ertz on the left.  Agholor ran a post, but ran the stem 3/4 speed then burst out of the break and got 2 steps on his man.  The S had turned to the trips side, so the middle was open.  Easy TD throw but Bradford didn't see it.  The reception in the Giants game where he caught a short in route, juked the LB and turned upfield and got near the goal line is another good example.  Renewed my hope to see him do more this year.  Reminds me of Maclin in the sense that he can get himself open, doesn't have to be schemed open, as someone like Jordan Matthews does.
  • Matt Tobin was just diabolical.  Terrible feet, can't sustain blocks.  Was almost funny to see Kelce's head swivelling to his right to try and minimize the carnage.  Dennis Kelly isn't great but he's a serviceable swing reserve.  Can't understand why they persisted with Tobin.   Babre isn't terrible, if he's the worst of your 5 OL you're in OK shape.  He's an adequate pass blocker with decent feet who doesn't get beaten quickly like Tobin does.  Below average run blocker though, doesn't get much inline movement and is inconsistent finding and engaging at the 2nd level, but he can move well enough to get there.  Tough to have Babre and Kelce lined up next to each other I think.
  • Lane Johnson was the best OL on the team last year.  Makes minor mistakes here and there in pass pro, but nothing big.  Consistently drives his man 5 yards off the ball in the run game.
  • Not sure if Peters was carrying an injury which affected his mobility last year but he struggled last year.  He was having trouble stopping Robert Ayers from turning the corner in the Giants game, and Ayers is no better than a competent journeyman.
  • Trust is a big thing with Bradford.  He'll throw to Matthews, Ertz and Celek even when they're covered, but avoided Cooper and Huff at times even when they were open.
  • Bradford simply refuses to pull the ball on a read option.  Unblocked man was regularly crashing and making the tackle on the RB.  Not asking him to run, but there were pass options built into those plays that should have been used.  I bring this up because...
  • Quite a bit of read option in the Chiefs Offense and it was well executed, with plenty of pass options, not just runs.
  • Chiefs used a lot of personnel and formation variation.  There was everything from empty set 5WR to 3 TE formations.  11 was still very common, but probably 50% at a guess to Chip's 80-90%.
  • Chiefs used a lot of quick timing throws which stood out, with so much of the passing game the last 3 years being based on verticals (post/seam/corner) and crossing routes.
  • The Chiefs OL didn't really impress me, even Jeff Allen didn't really stand out.  None of them had the mobility and 2nd level talent of Kelce and Johnson or Lane's inline chops in the run game.  I see this as being a good sign for our run game next year, Mathews is a better runner (just don't throw it to him) than who the Chiefs were playing and while our OL still has to deliver the improvement we expect with Brooks replacing Tobin, there's talent there in that phase.
 
They just showed the three qbs walking together at camp today.... holy Chase looks like a midget compared to the other 2 haha

 
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