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***Official 2017-18 Hot Stove League Thread: Peter Bourjos & Ryan Flaherty are signs the end is near (1 Viewer)

Eephus said:
I disagree.  The opt out would be a great thing for the team.  3/$75M is much better than 10/$290.  The long tail of the contract to age 38 is Stanton's biggest negative.
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Opt out would be a dream scenario because it also means the three years you had him were soooo good that Stanton is now worth MORE than his existing horrible contract. 

 
Wow I thought the Marlins were a low-class organization under Samson. This is unreal.

The Miami Marlins let go of a longtime scout in need of a kidney transplant as he lay in the hospital days after undergoing colon cancer surgery, the latest in a series of questionable decisions made by the organization under the stewardship of newly installed CEO Derek Jeter.

Marty Scott, who joined the Marlins as a vice president in 2011 and in recent years had worked as a scout, said he was told his contract would not be renewed Oct. 16 while at the Cleveland Clinic in Weston, Florida, where doctors three days earlier had removed a cancerous tumor and polyps from his colon. Doctors initially found the cancer in late August as Scott underwent a battery of tests in preparation for a kidney transplant needed because of diabetes.

Over a four-decade career in the game, the 64-year-old Scott had worked as a scout, farm director and manager, among other jobs. He hoped to return to the Marlins under the management of Jeter, the former New York Yankees star who in his first two months as CEO offered reduced roles to four popular front-office figures, fired multiple top baseball-operations officials, dangled reigning National League MVP Giancarlo Stanton on the trade market, vowed to slash the team’s payroll and solicited money from outside investors to stabilize the Marlins’ finances.

“Derek Jeter doesn’t owe me anything,” Scott told Yahoo Sports. “Probably in their hearts they did what they thought was right. I know based on certain aspects of the game, I probably was making too much money. But we all love the game. We’re all in it together. I just think 40 years was worth more than a spank on the butt and see you later.

“I’m very hurt. Forty years in baseball, I let a lot of people go. I never, ever fired somebody 10 days, 15 days before their contract was up. If I knew I was going to fire somebody, I did it at the beginning of September.”

Through a team spokesman, the Marlins said not renewing Scott’s contract, which expired Oct. 31, was a baseball-operations decision overseen by president Michael Hill. While Scott said he received a call from pro scouting director Jim Cuthbert informing him of the decision, the spokesman said Scott sought clarification on his status from Cuthbert and then was told he would not be renewed. Three others in similar positions were also let go around the same time, the spokesman said. The team declined further comment.
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Castillo and Omar Narvaez is a decent catching combo. 

Zack Collins hit only .224 in A/AA this year but with walks and power.  More importantly, he supposedly showed improvement with the mitt.

 
Eephus said:
It's a ridiculous contract of course but Panik and two prospects with limited upside isn't much to give up for a superstar in his prime.  The Giants will be getting further into Dodgers/Yankees territory with respect to payroll. 

It didn't end well but the Bonds era was a lot of fun.  Barry never stopped hitting.  It wasn't his fault that Sabean surrounded him with worse and worse talent.  The Giants have improved their scouting and development since then and It's not my money anyway. :shrug:
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But they have a finite amount of money. They've been loathe to go over the luxury tax up until now, I don't think they're just gonna go hog-wild now.

Maybe the public stadium locks them in to trying to fill that place by hook or by crook, I don't know. But this kinda seems like a dude who makes $30k a year with a mountain of debt and overdue rent blowing a couple of paychecks on a jet ski.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
But they have a finite amount of money. They've been loathe to go over the luxury tax up until now, I don't think they're just gonna go hog-wild now.

Maybe the public stadium locks them in to trying to fill that place by hook or by crook, I don't know. But this kinda seems like a dude who makes $30k a year with a mountain of debt and overdue rent blowing a couple of paychecks on a jet ski.
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The Giants finished paying off the debt service on their ballpark earlier this year so they have an extra $20M/yr to work with.  

I don't know what their plan is other than it appears not to involve blowing up the current roster.  Stanton would push them over $200M in total payroll and the clock is ticking on Bumgarner.  Only Pence and Span come off the books in 2019.

 
Eephus said:
I disagree.  The opt out would be a great thing for the team.  3/$75M is much better than 10/$290.  The long tail of the contract to age 38 is Stanton's biggest negative.
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If he sucks, he sticks around. If he's great he goes. If he's middling he stays. The upside vs. downside to any opt out is horrible for any team. 

 
Jon Morosi   @jonmorosi   32 minutes ago

Sources: #Marlins have agreed to general framework of Giancarlo Stanton trades with both #STLCards and #SFGiants; the deals are on hold, while Marlins wait for Stanton to inform them whether he’d accept either trade
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:coffee:

:excited:

 
shadyridr said:
Dodgers and Padres also finalists. Guess he wants to be in the West coast. 
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Angels also in the running. Shockingly Oakland appears to be out of the running. 

I really think San Diego is a strong threat. They're allegedly prepared to let him do basically whatever they want. Hit, pitch, field.

 
The Cardinals reportedly are close to a deal with RHP Miles Mikolas.   He last pitched for the Rangers in 2014 but has been a very effective SP in Japan.  I have no idea how that will translate back to MLB but the 2/$15M numbers being thrown around makes him a cost effective and equally alliterative replacement for Lance Lynn.

Here's a good Fangraphs article about Mikolas.

 
Eephus said:
The Cardinals reportedly are close to a deal with RHP Miles Mikolas.   He last pitched for the Rangers in 2014 but has been a very effective SP in Japan.  I have no idea how that will translate back to MLB but the 2/$15M numbers being thrown around makes him a cost effective and equally alliterative replacement for Lance Lynn.

Here's a good Fangraphs article about Mikolas.
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This seems like a really good signing.

 
The Tigers on Tuesday signed veteran center fielder Leonys Martin to a major-league contract.  Martin, who will turn 30 in March, figures to compete with JaCoby Jones for a starting job in center. Martin bats left-handed, too, which fills another need on the Tigers roster.

The Tigers, who presently have 39 players signed to their 40-man roster, also signed four other veteran players to minor-league deals: catcher Derek Norris, right-handed pitcher Enrique Burgos, first baseman Edwin Espinal and outfielder Jim Adduci. All four were invited to big-league camp in the spring.
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Martin got 1/$1.75M

 
Mike Minor's deal with Texas is 3 year/28 Million and they are apparently using his as a starter and considering a 6-man rotation (especially if they land Ohtani).

 
Northern Voice said:
Mike Minor's deal with Texas is 3 year/28 Million and they are apparently using his as a starter and considering a 6-man rotation (especially if they land Ohtani).
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A HoF level contract push to translate 77 IP over the past three years to $28M over the next three.

 
Dee Gordon traded to the Mariners.

Ken Rosenthal‏Verified account @Ken_Rosenthal

Source: #Mariners acquire Dee Gordon from #Marlins.

Where he plays with Cano and Segura there?!  Your guess is as good as mine!

 
Happy to see DiPoto trying to warm the stove. Interesting deal by Seattle. If the Angels don't land Ohtani I would think they should have been quite interested in Dee.

 
Mariners are also getting International slot money from the Marlins in the deal (to try to lure Ohtani).  Giving up 3 prospects I have not heard of (but I know little about the Mariners prospects).  Robert Dugger, Nick Neidert, Christopher Torres.

ETA:  They got $1 million in slot money.  Can now over the most $ to Ohtani.

 
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Limp Ditka said:
if so, I repeat....
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Eh, another report says Seattle is the team to beat and he's leaning that way. 

Fiers to Detroit.

Stanton reportedly declines the Cardinals and Giants. Has Dodgers, Cubs, Yankees, Astros on his short approval list, and really wants LA or NY.

 
Hilts said:
Eh, another report says Seattle is the team to beat and he's leaning that way. 

Fiers to Detroit.

Stanton reportedly declines the Cardinals and Giants. Has Dodgers, Cubs, Yankees, Astros on his short approval list, and really wants LA or NY.
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PASS

 
E-Z Glider said:
I dont mind the move if the extra slot pool money is, in fact, a precursor to getting Ohtani. If they dont land Ohtani though, then yeah, oof. 
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They're taking on $38M to play a guy that's already done a 80 PED ban out of position,

and now Ohtani going to LAA

again, LOLZ Mariners.

 
Yankees have bigger needs than power hitting right fielders. Back to their ways of huge contracts. Guess they didn't learn their lesson. 

 
@OldHossRadbourn: With such Yankee firepower assembled in the Bronx I find it unlikely that Gen. Howe will be able to move his Hessians further north. Redcoat control of Manhattan is now far more tenuous.

 
Apparently castro is in the deal to offset some of the cost this year and no top prospects. This also opens up a spot for torres.

 
Bunch of reporters saying Jeter screwed Florida and was conspiring with Yankees. That's not fair as he didn't give Stanton this contact and he also had deals with both st Louis and San Francisco worked out but Stanton rejected them both. 

 
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