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[DJackson10]

Comes down to whether or not you can trust either of these guys to suddenly turn into a decent human once they have a bunch of money and free time.  I'm guessing not.  Don't know if the size of the town really matters, if they #### up again, it won't be just the local media on them and the team, heat will come from all over for both these guys.  There's ample warnings in their history.   

Aside from the similar issue of punching women, Cook has been charged with robbery and possessing and firing a weapon on (high?) school property from several years before, though these were later dropped.

Cases like these two guys are different than guys who fail drug tests etc.  Smoking weed doesn't make you a terrible person, committing violent crimes does.

I know you haven't been here in awhile but I already said this on here a few weeks ago. I had a friend of went to FSU and was on Scholarship for LAX became really good friends with members of the Football team and from talking to Cook's teammates and from the whole athleteic Department have said Cook in the last year and a half has really matured and there's been zero issues. Saw how important a possible NFL career was. First guy in everyday and one of the very last to leave. Seems to have really put his off feild problems aside. As for Mixon he had another incident this past Winter during the season. Mixon I'd stay away from with a 100FT pole. I'm now hearing some project Mixon back into the 1st round. Sorry but that to me is a waste of a pick. I have a gut feeling this guy is gonna continue to be a problem off the field and in the 1st round that's a huge risk. i also have issues with Mixon's level of a competition where he played in a conference where Arena ball scores broke out each week and very little defense. 

 

[Arodin]

ESPN already discussed this back when the video was released. Why would they discuss it again? 

You don't watch much ESPN do you?  When have they NOT done stories to death, dredged them back up, done them again, revisited them a year later then done a 10-year anniversary on it?

 

[DJackson10]

I can't wrap my head around that.

You have an 18 year old in a heated exchange punch a girl after being pushed/provoked. 

You have a 27 year old dragging a dog into the yard, stringing him up and electrocuting him. Or dragging him over to the pond and drowning him. 

I don't agree with either of these. But with Mixon (as Chris Rock once said) I understand. 

I've seen you say this multiple time. From reports I've seen I'm betting she hit him for a reason. There's reports including the initial deadspin report said Mixon used a homophobic slur insulted her friend. This is from the original report. To say he was provoked just seems like people trying to defend him because all they saw in the video before he hit her was her going after him. Its like all the police brutality reports we see where the video is taken after the fact we don't see the beginning of cop meets person before altercation insues. 

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According to the probable cause affidavit, Amelia Molitor and Joe Mixon were at Pickleman's Gourmet Café on July 25. Molitor told investigators that Mixon used a "homosexual slur" against one of her friends and that lead to an "altercation," which was captured on video. But, as investigators made sure to point out in their charging documents, this wasn't a fair fight. 


While in the business, the female victim (5'06'' tall and 130 pounds) pushed Joe Mixon (6'02'' tall and 210 pounds). He then lunged at her in an aggressive manner, leading with his head and with his right fist clinched by his side. The victim reacted by slapping Joe Mixon, with an open right hand, near his left ear. He then struck her on the left side of her face with his closed right fist, knocking her into a table top and then to the ground where she laid motionless. Joe Mixon then left the scene. 



Four of the bones in Molitor's face were broken, and prosecutors haven't filed any charges against her. She briefly spoke out afterward, telling The Oklahomanthat backlash from OU fans was her biggest fear. Idiots on the Internet, as they tend to do, proved her right."

Mixon punches women and walks away

 

[DJackson10]

I can look past it, but media simply won't.  It will be headlines of "new evidence comes out that suggests Mixon was drinking when he hit the girl".  or "Mixon accuser files secondary suit" or "Mixon tips waitress 5%, proves he hates women".

I asked the question if it will be on national tv more as a serious question... Not sure if they actually would or not.  But if it made its way around the web, or we started winning and he started carrying our team, we would hear the jabs non stop from other fans, and maybe some analysts.  I personally am able to get over it and am fine with him on our team... my only argument is that this wouldn't just be dropped so easily.  When people want an excuse to attack our team or player, they will find it, and this video will come up again.

I think you guys don't factor into this. This is a college kid who isn't in the pros paid. he went to Oklahoma not a USC, FSU, UF, PSU, OSU, UM, etc huge college that gets National news constantly. Most people have turned out the Big 12 as well do to their lack of interest in a conference that has arena football type scores each game and very little defense. I have co workers huge college football fans very casual NFL fans who tuned out the Big12 because of this. Really wasn't talked about much through national media like ABC, CNN, Foxnews, etc haven't really picked it up. He gets picked in the 1st (I don't think he does but hearing murmurs he might now) it's gonna be a you know what storm for the NFL. We saw how people reacted after the Ray Rice video was released no? Just imagine if his video is released and he gets drafted early. ESPN and people will drum it up again for huge headlines. The problem is many of these news outlets are hypocrites. They'll tell you what a scumbag he is yet the first huge game he may have they will all be hanging on his balls and having circle jerks over the highlights. Honestly I think if these guys get charged with a crime in college and continue to mess up I believe that there should be a program they should have to enter after entering the draft and continue to do that through the first season or so. Either way this thing is gonna be big news when it comes out again and will be picked up by national non sports media this time. 

 

[DJackson10]

AP practically came back to a hero's welcome. What he did was worse IMO 

Ray Lewis killed a guy and he gets a standing ovation every time he returns to Baltimore. 

I agree with AP. I was sick to my stomach when he got a heros welcome and am hoping the Eagles don't sign him still for what he did. There's disciplining kids and there's crossing a line to child abuse and he crossed it. Ray Rice was starting to decline. 

I always see people mention Ray Lewis but I've never seen anyone legit put anything out there in terms of sources or info that he killed a guy. Everything I ever read was he was investigated for being involved in a murder but was never a murder suspect and suspicion possible that he helped cover it up but nothing ever saying he killed anyone. Basically a suspect at one point but never really anything found other then blood in his limo. Do I think Ray Lewis murdered someone? No. Do I think he knows more about the crime then what he's ever admitted and his two friends possible did or help commit the crime? Sure. 

Is the NFL and fans hypocrites how they act towards certain players and things? Sure look at all the people who cheered Vick when he came back but vilified Ray Rice after the video hit public. I think that video being released was the best thing to ever happen in pro sports on these issues. people brush them aside. I had a good friend who's sister was killed do to DV and had another friend my friends and i had to get out of a DV situation. Just this past September I had to help a Co worker deal with one and this was serious given the guy was a member of the Pagan Biker Club. I also had an Uncle who was slightly abusive to my then aunt who left him. Many of that had to deal with a lot of things including his bi polar and not taking medication prescribed to him or better overall treatment. Sports fans and the media are hypocrites. A player starts to stink or isn't great he does a crime or whatever people lose their sh** over them but everyone is hush hush makes every excuse imaginable for a player who's a great player. I'm at the point where I'm not surprised anymore when I see fans say I'd take Mixon despite what he did because of talent. Meanwhile they villify the 12th man on the bench of the NBA team because of some off the court issues. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I've seen you say this multiple time. From reports I've seen I'm betting she hit him for a reason. There's reports including the initial deadspin report said Mixon used a homophobic slur insulted her friend.

She hit him for a reason and he hit her for a reason. Who's reason was right?

 

[DJackson10]

She hit him for a reason and he hit her for a reason. Who's reason was right?

I'm more so saying I don't care what her reason is for hitting him as a Male you should never hit a women unless she's holding a weapon and your life is in danger. Mixon is a punk and not a real man. Real men don't hit a women for any reason it just makes him look like a coward. No different then Ray Rice or Floyd Mayweather both cowards as well. Mixon's life was never in Danger of this scrawny woman compared to him. I'm by no means saying you are saying this but I see people constantly find fault in the women for getting hit. There should never be a reason. My other issue is people only see her hit him before he hits her. Why was she hitting him to begin with? I'm not saying oh Mixon having a good reason to hit her makes it ok but no-one knows anything else. Considering another incident with Mixon we can just make a few guesses this guys just a self entitled meat head athlete who thinks because of his talent he's teflon and can do or say what he wants. i'm staying away from him period. I don't care how good he is. We have no reason to reach for someone like Mixon when this class is very deep at his position. 

 

[JuniorNB]

I agree on taking a gamble on Cooks or Mixon if they fall far enough but I doubt either is getting out of the 2nd round and to me that's to big of a gamble on guys who keep making horrible off the field decisions. I think Reid and his locker room was strong enough to handle it I'm not sure Doug is just yet.

I'd roll the dice with Mixon and inactivate him in games when they have the female ref.

 

[need2know]

I'm sorry but if a woman smacks you, you have to take it.  Smile and walk away.  If he's not smart enough  /doesnt understand why you don't punch a woman in the face, I don't want him on my team.

 

[DJackson10]

I'd roll the dice with Mixon and inactivate him in games when they have the female ref.

LOL that's just cold. 

 

[DJackson10]

I'm sorry but if a woman smacks you, you have to take it.  Smile and walk away.  If he's not smart enough  /doesnt understand why you don't punch a woman in the face, I don't want him on my team.

Exactly he's no different then Floyd Mayweather or Ray Rice or others. You aren't a real man if you hit a women period. If that was my daughter Mixon is lucky because he'd been 7 ft under well before anything came out. I'm by no means a parent yet but have friends having kids now at my age and many have daughters and i see how much they mean to them. I have a young cousin who just started HS this past fall who I absolutely have loved since my mom's cousin adopted her from China. If some idiot ever did anything to her I'd lose it, even though she wasn't my daughter. I don't have any sisters or girl cousins 1st ones at least but my Pop pop taught us never hit a women and treat her well. You want to hit a women they you are scum and a coward. Nothing more then a school yard bully who picks on younger smaller kids because he knows he'd get nailed if he ever tried bullying kids his age and size or bigger. 

 

[need2know]

Exactly he's no different then Floyd Mayweather or Ray Rice or others. You aren't a real man if you hit a women period. If that was my daughter Mixon is lucky because he'd been 7 ft under well before anything came out. I'm by no means a parent yet but have friends having kids now at my age and many have daughters and i see how much they mean to them. I have a young cousin who just started HS this past fall who I absolutely have loved since my mom's cousin adopted her from China. If some idiot ever did anything to her I'd lose it, even though she wasn't my daughter. I don't have any sisters or girl cousins 1st ones at least but my Pop pop taught us never hit a women and treat her well. You want to hit a women they you are scum and a coward. Nothing more then a school yard bully who picks on younger smaller kids because he knows he'd get nailed if he ever tried bullying kids his age and size or bigger. 

Yeah and they can talk all they want about how he is different now and has gone to therapy for it.  Whatever.  Leopards don't change spots.  

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Yeah and they can talk all they want about how he is different now and has gone to therapy for it.  Whatever.  Leopards don't change spots.  

Are you any different than you were when you were 18? Sure you are. We all are. 

Now none of us know how this kid is now. But the soapbox takes need to stop IMO. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Exactly he's no different then Floyd Mayweather or Ray Rice or others.

Yeah he's no different than a guy like Mayweather who was 25 and has repeated offenses or a 28 year old who knocked his fiancé out for doing nothing to him. 

I can't tell if you're trolling or what but this is bordering on idiotic 

 

[need2know]

Are you any different than you were when you were 18? Sure you are. We all are. 

Now none of us know how this kid is now. But the soapbox takes need to stop IMO. 

fair enough. im done

 

[DJackson10]

Yeah and they can talk all they want about how he is different now and has gone to therapy for it.  Whatever.  Leopards don't change spots.  

Exactly plus didn't he threaten a parking lot cop with his car? yeah he's really changed alright

 

[DJackson10]

Yeah he's no different than a guy like Mayweather who was 25 and has repeated offenses or a 28 year old who knocked his fiancé out for doing nothing to him. 

I can't tell if you're trolling or what but this is bordering on idiotic 

I'm being serious Floyd is a punk himself. There's multiple DV cases against him but no one talks about it because of apparently what a great fighter is despite the fact all he does is run away from his fights and wins. He ha Vegas paid off hence why he only fights there. Mixon also threatened to run someone over with his car over a parking ticket. Thats assault with a deadly weapon or threatening too and results in jail time. This guy hasn't changed people are just excusing him because of his talent I could careless if he's Tom Brady You never hit a women or do the stuff he did to a parking lot person over a ticket. Its not soapbox takes at all. You're just upset people are calling you and others out for being hypocritical about this guy. If this guy was some borderline 5th rounder you guys would be saying he doesn't deserve a job. We need to stop encouraging such behavior. Like I said if that was my daughter Mixon wouldn't be a live right now. I'd love for some of these people to say what they've said about Mixon changing and the BJ about his age to the two women involved in his altercations face as well as their families and see how they react. Probably similar to us. Age isn't a defense here. Am I different now then at 18? Sure I am but I also never clocked a women either because at 18 yrs old you know better. He's an adult at 18. And people wonder why the drinking age in most of the US is 21 and not 18 anymore. It's because many of these kids are too immature to act like adults. These guys are basically auduition for payid jobs in a billion dollar profession. if you can't act like one then well that's on you. 

 

[Deamon]

AP practically came back to a hero's welcome. What he did was worse IMO 

Ray Lewis killed a guy and he gets a standing ovation every time he returns to Baltimore. 

There's video of this though.  Huge difference.  I promise you that if there was a video circulating everywhere of AP beating his son, there would have been no hero's welcome.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

I'm sorry but if a woman smacks you, you have to take it.  Smile and walk away.  If he's not smart enough  /doesnt understand why you don't punch a woman in the face, I don't want him on my team.

Not to mention the big tough guy should be able to laugh off a slap from a woman half his size but instead hits her so hard he breaks FOUR facial bones. Yeah...F this scumbag. He blows an ACL I doubt many will feel sorry for him. If we must have a RB then take McAffrey.

 

[Interseptopus]

You don't watch much ESPN do you?  When have they NOT done stories to death, dredged them back up, done them again, revisited them a year later then done a 10-year anniversary on it?

I forgot, I stopped watching for that very reason... you're right, I don't turn it on unless it's for a game. Not that I could, I am third priority when it comes to the TV remote. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Not to mention the big tough guy should be able to laugh off a slap from a woman half his size but instead hits her so hard he breaks FOUR facial bones. Yeah...F this scumbag. He blows an ACL I doubt many will feel sorry for him. If we must have a RB then take McAffrey.

Do you think if she doesn't slap him she still gets hit? 

If she just says "Whatever, Joe, leave us alone in calling the police!" You think she gets hit?

Like I said, I don't agree with what he did but I understand. She poked the bear. It didn't help her situation one bit. 

 

[Skoo]

Do you think if she doesn't slap him she still gets hit? 

If she just says "Whatever, Joe, leave us alone in calling the police!" You think she gets hit?

Like I said, I don't agree with what he did but I understand. She poked the bear. It didn't help her situation one bit. 

Hey, if you don't stand up for the women-beaters of the world, who will?

Keep fighting the good fight. The Joe Mixon's of the world need you now more than ever.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Do you think if she doesn't slap him she still gets hit? 

If she just says "Whatever, Joe, leave us alone in calling the police!" You think she gets hit?

Like I said, I don't agree with what he did but I understand. She poked the bear. It didn't help her situation one bit. 

Big boy. I had woman sink her teeth into my arm on one occasion and stick a bic pen into me on another. I still didn't punch her ####### lights out. Maybe that would be your reaction but it's not mine. I don't hit someone weaker than me unles they're going after my child. 

Its obvoius this is a polarizing topic but I don't want the guy. If they draft him, I'll still be a fan. I lived through Vick. My personal preference though is to pass.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Hey, if you don't stand up for the women-beaters of the world, who will?

Keep fighting the good fight. The Joe Mixon's of the world need you now more than ever.

Like i said, I don't agree but I understand. Both people in that situation walked away with regrets. One of hers was surely putting her hands on him. She wouldnt need you to defend her had she not hit him or just walked away. 

Big boy. I had woman sink her teeth into my arm on one occasion and stick a bic pen into me on another. I still didn't punch her ####### lights out. Maybe that would be your reaction but it's not mine. I don't hit someone weaker than me unles they're going after my child. 

Its obvoius this is a polarizing topic but I don't want the guy. If they draft him, I'll still be a fan. I lived through Vick. My personal preference though is to pass.

Everyone has a criteria and that's completely fine. In your case I would understand if you hit that person back. Maybe not agree depending on the severity but I would certainly understand given what happened to you. 

You were provoked. You would have been hurt and most certainly pissed. That's you. But expecting everyone who's been in a situation to react the same is, well, stupid, no?  If 10 people were in your situation, even the Captain America pretenders here, there would surely be varrying results. 

 

[Bogart]

He would be a perfect Cowboy

I'm of the thinking that either JJ in Dallas picks Mixon because he doesn't give a crap what the public thinks or a small market team like Jacksonville or KC where the media/public scrutiny is much less intense.

Jerry has been pretty vocal that Dallas has their back. This thread is going to be so much fun if Mixon does become an Eagle.

 

[G-King]

Do you think if she doesn't slap him she still gets hit? 

If she just says "Whatever, Joe, leave us alone in calling the police!" You think she gets hit?

Like I said, I don't agree with what he did but I understand. She poked the bear. It didn't help her situation one bit. 

Yeah she should of just let Mixon follow her gay friend in the restaraunt and continue calling him degrading names and belittle them in front of everybody. You're right, she was asking for a beating. He should of man punched her twice! 4 broke bones in her FACE weren't really enough. God, You apologist for the scumbag make me sick. How do you not get that he was 100% wrong here? 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Yeah she should of just let Mixon follow her gay friend in the restaraunt and continue calling him degrading names and belittle them in front of everybody. You're right, she was asking for a beating. He should of man punched her twice! 4 broke bones in her FACE weren't really enough. God, You apologist for the scumbag make me sick. How do you not get that he was 100% wrong here? 

You know the answer the same as me and everyone else.  If she doesn't hit him she doesn't get hit.  Why you chose to avoid it and skirt around it I don't know.  Sometimes people will say mean things...some people are just ash-holes.  Provoking them isn't the way to go.

Lets say youre in her shoes...same size and all....You know that hitting him more than likely leads to a fight, right?  They both had choices but hers lead to his.

 

[Interseptopus]

Yeah she should of just let Mixon follow her gay friend in the restaurant and continue calling him degrading names and belittle them in front of everybody. You're right, she was asking for a beating. He should of man punched her twice! 4 broke bones in her FACE weren't really enough. God, You apologist for the scumbag make me sick. How do you not get that he was 100% wrong here? 

Are you saying that you would encourage violence as an appropriate intervention? 

Sticks and stones... sticks and stones...

I've been in a situation where I've been berated in public. I walked away, didn't hit anybody. I have a stupid friend once got in a verbal altercation, I got in between them and he was in my face telling me to hit him. I could have argued consent in a court of law in that case even . In both cases I felt violence was the worst choice I could have made. It was better to walk away with someone yelling insults at me than to turn around and try to start something. 

 

[modogg]

You know the answer the same as me and everyone else.  If she doesn't hit him she doesn't get hit.  Why you chose to avoid it and skirt around it I don't know.  Sometimes people will say mean things...some people are just ash-holes.  Provoking them isn't the way to go.

Lets say youre in her shoes...same size and all....You know that hitting him more than likely leads to a fight, right?  They both had choices but hers lead to his.

gotta disagree with this. We are just assuming this is "who threw the first punch" thing? the way he doesn't even hesitate to throw one of the sloppiest right crosses i have seen doesn't mean that he had to be pushed. And i wouldn't call that a "hit". If it was, i don't want this guy anywhere near the Eagles if a push from some chick is going to bother him that much.

 

[modogg]

Big boy. I had woman sink her teeth into my arm on one occasion and stick a bic pen into me on another. I still didn't punch her ####### lights out. Maybe that would be your reaction but it's not mine. I don't hit someone weaker than me unles they're going after my child. 

Its obvoius this is a polarizing topic but I don't want the guy. If they draft him, I'll still be a fan. I lived through Vick. My personal preference though is to pass.

had a good looking chick throw a right cross right in my face once when we were out drinking and i had on a Mike Tyson t-shirt. Have to agree, i didn't have any inclination to swing back simply because it didn't really hurt and it would have made no sense. 

 

[modogg]

and whoah i didn't see we were discussing this in the thread for a few pages. How about Mixon takes a hike from the thread and finds his own. We can bring this up if the Eagles make the horrible decision to draft this kid. 

 

[modogg]

Ya I think it will be about the same to be honest. 

For non football fans who just read a headline, it won't be near as bad as Vick.  He brought every animal loving non-sports fan's attention to him and was hated on by a LOT of people.

For football fans (especially those who dislike the Eagles), having Mixon would be a field day for them in arguments, signs at games, forums, etc.

There won't be as MANY people hating on Mixon as there was with Vick... not even close.  But the shots fired will be much more intense with Mixon.

gotta disagree (and this is my last post on this kid, hate getting sucked into these when discussing pre-draft Eagles). I will say i am out of touch with most of society so i don't know everyone's reaction, but there isn't a more telling video clip then the 15 seconds it takes for that girl to push that kid, him throw his loose right, hurt hit the floor, and him leave the store without even seeing if she was alive or suggesting someone calls an ambulance for her.

and what is he doing picking on the other kid she is with anyway. Does he not have more important things to do then chase these 2 into a coffee shop?

Vick at least seems somewhat remorseful, and he was tied into it for financial gain. it doesn't make it anymore right, but to say Mixon is fine compared to what Vick got is short-sighted. I would think organizations like WOAR and any of the local domestic violence places would certainly let others know what they think

 

[modogg]

He also went to jail and has repented. What will happen to Mixon when he gets drafted by a team and suddenly has millions of dollars and a bunch of free time as a reward. What lesson will he learn? I can cold #### a woman and I'll only lose a couple of draft slots because ability trumps morality. NFL I'm sure will love that image.

And some team is gonna make that happen. I'd just rather it not be ours.

yeah so weird we are having this discussion. Life long Eagles fan with generations of family same, and Vick also made me not a fan anymore (definitely wasn't as interested because like was cited, i couldn't bring myself to root for the guy). Let someone else take this and the baggage on, kid is not some otherworld talent that won't be available next year, or the year after that, etc. Give me a half healthy Jamal Charles any day of the week over this pud. 

 

[Deamon]

gotta disagree (and this is my last post on this kid, hate getting sucked into these when discussing pre-draft Eagles). I will say i am out of touch with most of society so i don't know everyone's reaction, but there isn't a more telling video clip then the 15 seconds it takes for that girl to push that kid, him throw his loose right, hurt hit the floor, and him leave the store without even seeing if she was alive or suggesting someone calls an ambulance for her.

and what is he doing picking on the other kid she is with anyway. Does he not have more important things to do then chase these 2 into a coffee shop?

Vick at least seems somewhat remorseful, and he was tied into it for financial gain. it doesn't make it anymore right, but to say Mixon is fine compared to what Vick got is short-sighted. I would think organizations like WOAR and any of the local domestic violence places would certainly let others know what they think

I'm not debating what is actually worse or my personal thoughts on it. My only point of discussion is how other people/media will portray this compared to vick. And I'm in agreement with you, that this backlash will be close to as big as it was with vick. 

 

[modogg]

lol, i can't escape this vortex!! quick question though, who is a better NFL RB for next year, Ray Rice or Mixon? The more i think about it, seeing this kid as possible 1st round pick has me salivating cause if i can bet against that i will do so in a heartbeat. Ray Rice has proven track record, seemed remorseful, and married the woman he KO'd (whole other topic to discuss). I haven't see a ton of Mixon but i watched some highlights the other night when i was looking around, save the draft pick and probably money and i would even take Rice over this kid

ETA: and i know Rice is older and some question how good he would have been last year. But seeing how some teams were truly desperate for RB help and no one was even mentioned as considering Rice, i just can't fathom why a team would knowingly open this can of worms

 

[Deamon]

The fact that he's being talked about in the first means we have no shot at him. If we can get him in the 2nd maybe.  3rd sure, I'd learn to give him another chance. Realistically the chances of us drafting him are pretty low. Don't really think it's howie/dougs style to do so. We passed on Collins (even though everyone else did too) when we were desperate for ol. Reid was in charge of the vick move.  Don't see Howie doing it unless he free falls to the 3rd round. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The fact that he's being talked about in the first means we have no shot at him. If we can get him in the 2nd maybe.  3rd sure, I'd learn to give him another chance. Realistically the chances of us drafting him are pretty low. Don't really think it's howie/dougs style to do so. We passed on Collins (even though everyone else did too) when we were desperate for ol. Reid was in charge of the vick move.  Don't see Howie doing it unless he free falls to the 3rd round. 

Pretty low?  I'd say they're pretty high actually. We showed last year that character isn't as high on the chart as it was in years past. In addition, you'll have a few teams with him completely off the board which will also increase our odds and we have the RB need. And he's good at RB by all accounts. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

i just can't fathom why a team would knowingly open this can of worms

Because people make mistakes. You'll want to see if he's past it or still the same person.  If they determine he's the same person than they, and myself included, won't want him. 

 

[DJackson10]

There's video of this though.  Huge difference.  I promise you that if there was a video circulating everywhere of AP beating his son, there would have been no hero's welcome.

That's a huge difference and why I get upset with people. It's like they don't take it seriously unless there is video proof. For example I've had at least 3 friends comeback from the Middle East with horror stories of acts of war crimes from their unit or knowing a cover up just happen and they have to be quite about it or they get shame by our own countries military. People here won't believe it but I have a feeling if there's video proof shown and not classified and put away people would be appalled. Again I'm not going to get into details or specifics but if people here think we don't do stuff overseas we shouldn't do and cover it up for our own gains or others they are truly naive. A lot of people had zero problems with the 4 game suspension of Ray Rice for hitting his GF but then the video came out and people flipped. its like people use this deny deny mechanism until they are shown video proof. 

 

[modogg]

Because people make mistakes. You'll want to see if he's past it or still the same person.  If they determine he's the same person than they, and myself included, won't want him. 

i was never a fan of the whole "people make mistakes" thing. Reminds me of the born again Christian movement, with the idea i can do whatever i want, and eventually become born again and everything will be fine. 

Anyway, I am curious your thoughts (since you bigboy, unfortunately, seem to have become the spokesman for pro-Mixon) as to a comparison with the Ray Rice situation. If NFL teams barely looked into Rice last year when they had desperate need at RB, why would they take a chane on Mixon. I know most rookies never have better value than they do pre-draft, but if teams steered clear of Rice, i can't figure out why they would spend a draft pick and probably more money on someone who hasn't even shown if he can be effective in the league. I think the situations with Rice and Mixon are comparable

 

[DJackson10]

Yeah she should of just let Mixon follow her gay friend in the restaraunt and continue calling him degrading names and belittle them in front of everybody. You're right, she was asking for a beating. He should of man punched her twice! 4 broke bones in her FACE weren't really enough. God, You apologist for the scumbag make me sick. How do you not get that he was 100% wrong here? 

Didn't realize her girlfriend was gay and he had insulted her outside as well. There from the police and investigators side seems to be a lot of he said she said. Friend was called degrading homophobic names so she then called him a derogatory racial name to she started it and he went on with calling her the racial name. From what i originally read thought it all happened inside but since this started outside my suspicion theres way more then what the video showed is confirmed now. This should go over well with a buddy of mine this new info who insists on Drafting Mixon for his talent yet preaches PC movement and accepting others. So not only is this guy a scumbag who disrespects women but he hates gay people. I didn't want him before but considering I have a gay family member I really really hope they don't draft this scum bag. 

 

[DJackson10]

Because people make mistakes. You'll want to see if he's past it or still the same person.  If they determine he's the same person than they, and myself included, won't want him. 

He's definitely not past it. Just had another blow up this past Nov with a female parking cop. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

i was never a fan of the whole "people make mistakes" thing. Reminds me of the born again Christian movement, with the idea i can do whatever i want, and eventually become born again and everything will be fine. 

Anyway, I am curious your thoughts (since you bigboy, unfortunately, seem to have become the spokesman for pro-Mixon) as to a comparison with the Ray Rice situation. If NFL teams barely looked into Rice last year when they had desperate need at RB, why would they take a chane on Mixon. I know most rookies never have better value than they do pre-draft, but if teams steered clear of Rice, i can't figure out why they would spend a draft pick and probably more money on someone who hasn't even shown if he can be effective in the league. I think the situations with Rice and Mixon are comparable

I don't know what else to say. I'm sure you've done things when you were younger that you shouldn't have. You either learned from them or you didn't. Plain and simple. I don't know if Mixon did or not. 

The 660 and 3.1 ypc had just as much to do without Rice not getting a job as his incident did. He was done as a player. 

 

[DJackson10]

I don't know what else to say. I'm sure you've done things when you were younger that you shouldn't have. You either learned from them or you didn't. Plain and simple. I don't know if Mixon did or not. 

The 660 and 3.1 ypc had just as much to do without Rice not getting a job as his incident did. He was done as a player. 

Teams also saw the PR backlash and moved away. These teams are also a business don't want negative PR hurting Business either. 

 

[DJackson10]

Either way this whole Mixon to Philly draft talk might be a moot point as I've read today the Eagles really like Pitt RB James Conner. Last time Howie was involved in picking up a guy the FO and scouts liked from Pitt became the Teams all time leading rusher in Shady McCoy so theres that. 

 

[Insein]

It was an interesting moral discussion but ultimately I don't see the Eagles taking a first round RB. 

Here's the order of who I would take (based on if they're available).

Reuben Foster

Mike Williams

Marshon Lattimore

Corey Davis

Christan McCaffrey (if they're gonna go RB I'd prefer this guy, more versatile and way less baggage).

 

[jon007]

I have a bad feeling McCafferty is going to the Patriots and Brady will throw 50 TD's in 2017.

 

[DJackson10]

BGN is reporting tonight we are bringing in RBs Dalvin Cook and Joe Mixon in for pre draft work outs. Boy is their Facebook comment section entertaining to read. Not only do you have the Eagles fans but then you have the Oklahoma Sooner fans who are wearing rose colored glasses absolutely basely defending this guy and then you have other big 12 fans coming in to defend the Sooner guys. Either way some of the defense comments Ive seen are appalling especially the examples they use for why and many don't seem to know the full story of what happened. Figured with us talking about this and then this popped up people would be interested. Doesn't go into too much depth other then mentioning the incidents. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Yeah and they can talk all they want about how he is different now and has gone to therapy for it.  Whatever.  Leopards don't change spots.  

What he did was vile, but this is a strange way to look at it. Most people are very different than they were when they were 18. Some poor choices can actually humble a person. You have no idea if he regrets what he did or is shamed by it.

The guy made a very poor choice, and maybe he is some kind of demon, but any team drafting him will have grilled him enough on the subject to know if he has indeed "changed his spots".

 

[need2know]

What he did was vile, but this is a strange way to look at it. Most people are very different than they were when they were 18. Some poor choices can actually humble a person. You have no idea if he regrets what he did or is shamed by it.

The guy made a very poor choice, and maybe he is some kind of demon, but any team drafting him will have grilled him enough on the subject to know if he has indeed "changed his spots".

Hey good luck to him.  Who knows what kind of sales job he gives in the interviews and I don't care. Just trying to say he can do it on somebody else's team.  Why take the risk when similar high impact players are available that don't have the baggage?