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*Official 2017 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles* - Parade of Champions Down Broad Street! (3 Viewers)

DJackson10 said:
So who can name all the coaches without looking? I won't do it since I just read the article wouldn't be fair. First one should be very easy probably a few easy ones then it gets tough. 
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Haven't looked it up, but first question is how much credit you give Big Red for the defensive guys  who have had the most success.  Harbough, Ron Rivera were the successes, Spagnuolo & Leslie Frazier struggled more.  Sean McDermott is now a HC after having a good run as a DC.

On the offensive side there's Childress & Pat Shurmer.  Marty M doesn't count,  but I give credit to Childress for keeping pass crazy Andy in a box for a few years.  Him and Marty together just went nuts.

I'v probably missed somebody really obvious.  :ph34r:

ETA: like Pederson  :wall:  although he's even harder to evaluate than McDermott, since it's his first job away from Andy.

Also, a massive stretch to include Todd Bowles in Andy's tree.  Pretty sure Bowles didn't learn anything except backstabby office politics and how not to manage people in his time in Philly.

 
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DJackson10 said:
So who can name all the coaches without looking? I won't do it since I just read the article wouldn't be fair. First one should be very easy probably a few easy ones then it gets tough. 
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Off the top of my head:

John Harbaugh

Ron Riveria

Sean McDermott

The guy that used to be the Rams head coach and giants D coordinator (damnit I can't remember his name).

 
Looks like we signed Chris Long as well

It's a 1-year deal similar to the $2.4M he made last year with #Patriots. Smart locker room signing

 
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CentralPA said:
I like it, gives a veteran presence to a young line that will have a new starting DT (possibly a rookie) and probably a rookie DE.
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Yep. He's a nice addition to the rotation. Graham, Curry, Long, Smith and Means isn't bad. If they add another who can play at 14 the DL would be really nice. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Yep. He's a nice addition to the rotation. Graham, Curry, Long, Smith and Means isn't bad. If they add another who can play at 14 the DL would be really nice. 
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I know CB is a priority but if you can get to the QB before he can throw the ball it helps mitigate that glaring weakness greatly.  Still would be fine going DE/DT at 14.

 
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CentralPA said:
I know CB is a priority but if you can get to the QB before he can throw the ball it helps mitigate that glaring weakness greatly.  Still would be fine going DE/DT at 14.
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I keep thinking back to our game threads and what was the one thing on defense we continual complained about? They can't get to the damn QB. Doesn't matter if we had Deion back there at CB. If we can't pressure the QB, it doesn't matter. 

It's been a long time since we got an impact DE or LB early in the draft. Hopefully they can get the right guy.

 
DJackson10 said:
Some guy named Richard Sherman ran a 4.7 and some other dude named Joe Haden as well. I think they went to a couple of pro bowls each already
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If Tabor is still there in the 2nd, I'd be hard for me to not draft him.  His tape tells a different story then his pro-day/combine workouts.

 
CentralPA said:
If Tabor is still there in the 2nd, I'd be hard for me to not draft him.  His tape tells a different story then his pro-day/combine workouts.
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He's a really good player and I hate the combine pro days for these exact reasons. Many are pointless. Put these guys in pads and lets see what they run because that's how fast they are gonna run with pads on. There's too many guys who either fall through the cracks do to a poor combine and some team ends up getting filthy rich off of them or some guy is a workout warrior and a team gets hosed AKA Us with Mike Mamula back in the day. I take the combine and pro days with a grain of salt. Are they nice references? Sure I think the best part of the combine is finally getting to talk to a lot of guys you couldn't meet with at the East/West Shrine game and senior bowl do to under class status. It also gives players the opportunity to tell teams who they are and give their sides of possible issues and how they've dealt with it. Other then that Combine is no different then mock drafts. It's a crap shoot. Personally I'd take Tabor in the first if many of the guys targeted aren't there especially Cook and I just am not a big fan of the top names at WR. Frankly I'm of the opinion the draft is so weak at WR these 3 names people keep talking about have been overrated to the max. Ross is nothing more then a Jackson clone with injury history already, Mike Williams there's questions of him getting seperation in the NFL and his jump ball 50/50 skills as ACC DBs are known to be incredible small compared to most DBs in the NFL Today. Corey Davis has had his fair share of drops and I think the way he's been talked up his production IMHO could've been better at a weaker conference he played at. I honestly like a few WRs who are later round guys in this draft over the top 3. 

 
DJackson10 said:
He's a really good player and I hate the combine pro days for these exact reasons. Many are pointless. Put these guys in pads and lets see what they run because that's how fast they are gonna run with pads on. There's too many guys who either fall through the cracks do to a poor combine and some team ends up getting filthy rich off of them or some guy is a workout warrior and a team gets hosed AKA Us with Mike Mamula back in the day. I take the combine and pro days with a grain of salt. Are they nice references? Sure I think the best part of the combine is finally getting to talk to a lot of guys you couldn't meet with at the East/West Shrine game and senior bowl do to under class status. It also gives players the opportunity to tell teams who they are and give their sides of possible issues and how they've dealt with it. Other then that Combine is no different then mock drafts. It's a crap shoot. Personally I'd take Tabor in the first if many of the guys targeted aren't there especially Cook and I just am not a big fan of the top names at WR. Frankly I'm of the opinion the draft is so weak at WR these 3 names people keep talking about have been overrated to the max. Ross is nothing more then a Jackson clone with injury history already, Mike Williams there's questions of him getting seperation in the NFL and his jump ball 50/50 skills as ACC DBs are known to be incredible small compared to most DBs in the NFL Today. Corey Davis has had his fair share of drops and I think the way he's been talked up his production IMHO could've been better at a weaker conference he played at. I honestly like a few WRs who are later round guys in this draft over the top 3. 
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I'm not a pro scout or anyone that knows the game that extensively but it just seems like the best way to judge a player is how he looks on tape.  That's where the talent comes out.  In the thick of the game.  If they happen to put up impressive workout numbers along with great tape then that is just more reason to draft.

 
CentralPA said:
I'm not a pro scout or anyone that knows the game that extensively but it just seems like the best way to judge a player is how he looks on tape.  That's where the talent comes out.  In the thick of the game.  If they happen to put up impressive workout numbers along with great tape then that is just more reason to draft.
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Correct and he has OK tape and his weaknesses could be huge at the next level

Whispers in scouting circles that Tabor fears deep speed. Often played excessively deep off-coverage. Shows balance issues in space. Occasionally loses footing in coverage during his transition. Shows willingness to sit on routes and grab receivers trying to go vertical rather than flipping hips to chase. Can be undisciplined from zone losing track of his responsibilities. Appears to be hit or miss with instinctive playmaking. Doesn't play to his listed size. Finesse cornerback. Avoids mixing it up with physical receivers away from the ball. Too many weak tackle attempts. Charted with 13 missed tackles in 2015. Scouts consider him to be a high-maintenance prospect. Has been suspended due to drug tests and a run-in with a teammate in practice.
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CentralPA said:
I'm not a pro scout or anyone that knows the game that extensively but it just seems like the best way to judge a player is how he looks on tape.  That's where the talent comes out.  In the thick of the game.  If they happen to put up impressive workout numbers along with great tape then that is just more reason to draft.
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Yeah thats correct. 

 
CentralPA said:
Alllll right....how about our 2nd pick in the 4th round then?
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Lol. If his name was different and he read like that with a 4.7 forty would you want him at all? 

IMHO, I try not to get enamored with the names. He had a good college run but reads like an awful NFL prospect. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Whispers in scouting circles that Tabor fears deep speed. Often played excessively deep off-coverage. Shows balance issues in space. Occasionally loses footing in coverage during his transition. Shows willingness to sit on routes and grab receivers trying to go vertical rather than flipping hips to chase. Can be undisciplined from zone losing track of his responsibilities. Appears to be hit or miss with instinctive playmaking. Doesn't play to his listed size. Finesse cornerback. Avoids mixing it up with physical receivers away from the ball. Too many weak tackle attempts. Charted with 13 missed tackles in 2015. Scouts consider him to be a high-maintenance prospect. Has been suspended due to drug tests and a run-in with a teammate in practice.
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Just so you know I hate the term drug issues. This guy wasn't smoking coke or shooting up. His off the field issues were no different then Tyrian Mathiue. The drug suspension was for Pot and I'm not a pot smoker but I wish people would stop acting like it's as bad as some of the other stuff and it's way better then drinking too. The altercation was a practice scuffle and since McElwaine took over as coach he's been trying to teach discipline to players and no nonsense action. Not to say Muschamp didn't teach it but Florida lost a lot in terms of self respect and how to be mature thanks to all the issues and guys Urban Meyer started to recruit to the program with very questionable behavior history. If you want to learn more about that just google Urban Meyer's Circle of trust. Many of us UF Fans think he's an absolute scumbag and didn't like what was reported after he left. The hatred only intensified after he faked health issues and then went to work with ESPN only a year later to go to Ohio State. Either way Tabors off the field issues aren't a huge deal. No different Then honeybadgers were . Does he do some unusual things? Sure but I'd characterize him no different then DeSean Jackson. On the field there's no question how good he can be. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Lol. If his name was different and he read like that with a 4.7 forty would you want him at all? 

IMHO, I try not to get enamored with the names. He had a good college run but reads like an awful NFL prospect. 
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Guess I need to do some YouTubing.  Wonder if Cosell has done anything on him.

 
Eagles close to signing former NO CB and first round pick CB Patrick Robinson. nice veteran signing to pair with a rookie and Mills now. Howie getting this done today. 

 
Also leaping over players to block kicks in now banned and engregiros hits against players in now ejectable. NFL said that foul is very subjective to the officials officiating that game. One comment by one of the league officials said there shouldn't be more then possible 3-4 ejections in a season do to it though as the refs have a lot of leeway on what to look for in order to DQ a player. This one should be very fun 

 
Patrick Robinson signs a 1 year 1 million deal. Current CB's:

Jalen Mills
Ron Brooks
C.J. Smith
Aaron Grymes
Dwayne Gratz
Mitchell White
Patrick Robinson

That looks so gross. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Patrick Robinson signs a 1 year 1 million deal. Current CB's:

Jalen Mills
Ron Brooks
C.J. Smith
Aaron Grymes
Dwayne Gratz
Mitchell White
Patrick Robinson

That looks so gross. 
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Robinson is here for Depth probably the slot CB. There's been speculation amongst many beat guys Brooks gets cut possible in Camp. Grymes showed some potential last year and I thought he should've gotten a spot on the 53. Smith had some good moments as well. Gratz is still young and I think he either makes the team or cut. I hope in the draft they go CB 1-2 would be my dream unless someone drops big time they can't pass up on. 

 
Some people on these websites for blogs and CSN page and others are a riot. They are complaining about the signings today. I swear some of these people if they ran the team would give Chip a run for his money on how to waste money on players for a Roster. Some would complain if we signed Emmit Smith, Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Chris Carter, Kept Reggie White and added Bruce Smith had Eric Allen and BDawk and signed Ed Reed, Urlacher and Prime Time and they'd sitll find something to complain about each of them. People want very nice things too but don't want to spend that money either. I will admit it's very entertaining to read but it also makes me want to smash my head through a brick wall. 

 
CentralPA said:
I know CB is a priority but if you can get to the QB before he can throw the ball it helps mitigate that glaring weakness greatly.  Still would be fine going DE/DT at 14.
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Agree to a point and would be fine taking a DE at 14, but pass rush doesn't help against the 3 step passing game, that's all about coverage. Think about the Packers game last year. 

 
The Packers game was a scheme problem. We were lining up way off the line and didn't adjust when Rodgers started hitting all those short passes. It wouldn't have mattered if our CBs were Deion and Darrell Green in their primes.

 
Pip's Invitation said:
The Packers game was a scheme problem. We were lining up way off the line and didn't adjust when Rodgers started hitting all those short passes. It wouldn't have mattered if our CBs were Deion and Darrell Green in their primes.
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Thats really not a fair comparison. Most elite CBs have free range on how they play guys unless they were specifically instructed other wise. Both those guys would've moved up. That's what great CBs do they understand the game and what's working and what doesn't. As a veteran coach I don't think Schwartz would've had a problem with it Jim Jonhson do to how good Dawkins was as well as Taylor/Vincent gave them free reign on how to play the WRs and QBs. To an extent Lito/Sheldon considering Dawkins was still back there and after they both proved themselves. Now there's exceptions to the rule as I don't think Richard Sherman has free reign over what he does nor does Chancellor and Earl Thomas. Sea defense is scheme specific and if you don't play in that scheme it doesn't work as well if at all. 

 
DJackson10 said:
Some guy named Richard Sherman ran a 4.7 and some other dude named Joe Haden as well. I think they went to a couple of pro bowls each already
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According to mockdraftable Sherman and Haden both ran under 4.55.  Jalen Mills ran 4.61 and he visibly struggles with speed on the outside.  Unless there's an injury or some other reason for that time it's hard to see Tabor as an option in early rounds.

 
Pip's Invitation said:
The Packers game was a scheme problem. We were lining up way off the line and didn't adjust when Rodgers started hitting all those short passes. It wouldn't have mattered if our CBs were Deion and Darrell Green in their primes.
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Possibly, but maybe Schwartz didn't trust the CBs not to be beaten deep if he lined them up tighter.  There were statements when Schwartz was hired that how he calls a game comes down to how much trust he has in the CBs. 

If we had corners anywhere near that good they wouldn't be sitting that far off in coverage, I'm sure of that.

 
Ash said:
Agree to a point and would be fine taking a DE at 14, but pass rush doesn't help against the 3 step passing game, that's all about coverage. Think about the Packers game last year. 
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Now that we addressed WR im hoping that after 4 picks we have one DL and 2 CB's with the other pick being a RB. 

 
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Ash said:
Possibly, but maybe Schwartz didn't trust the CBs not to be beaten deep if he lined them up tighter.  There were statements when Schwartz was hired that how he calls a game comes down to how much trust he has in the CBs. 

If we had corners anywhere near that good they wouldn't be sitting that far off in coverage, I'm sure of that.
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Yeah, that game definitely seemed to be a reaction to the games leading up to it, but unfortunately Rodgers was able to completely pick them apart and there was no adjustment.

 
Re: Joe Mixon - Lurie says Eagles are an organization that has given players second chances, but also an organization that values character

Lurie: "We have lots of holes."

Lurie said the Eagles won't draft to maximize 2017 record.

"The draft is going to be built by Joe, but the final decision will be made by Howie." -- Jeff Lurie

 
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Thunderlips said:
More and more, I don't think he'lll be there. 
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Agree. As we get closer to the draft it seems like teams are taking the approach of "If we're ok with taking him at all, we might as well pick him around the time we would have if there were no issues, or else we won't have a shot." 

I even think there's a chance he goes before Cook.

 
The Noid said:
Deamon said:
The Noid said:
ETA: With Daniel heading out, we also don't need another guy coming in that Philly-natives will needlessly add an "s" to their name.
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Bigboy10182000 said:
Side note--I keep watching Cooks tape and he just does not look like the guy who had those combine #'s....I'll be very curious how he does at his pro-day on the 28th
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need2know said:
Cooks is who I wanted initially. 
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:wall:
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Thrice yesterday, all different callers and within an hour, I heard about how the Eagles should pick Christian "McCafferty" on WIP and The Fanatic.  :loco:

 
The Noid said:
I even think there's a chance he goes before Cook.
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I really don't have a feel for when these RB's will go. Cook on tape is a dynamic 3-down RB. He was running in the 4.4's yesterday as well. It would have been nice for him to redo the cone drills he sucked at in the combine but I'm sure he's doing them in private workouts. If he looked good in private workouts he's the first one taken IMO. 

I do still believe Mixon is the last to go and will go in round 2-3. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I really don't have a feel for when these RB's will go. Cook on tape is a dynamic 3-down RB. He was running in the 4.4's yesterday as well. It would have been nice for him to redo the cone drills he sucked at in the combine but I'm sure he's doing them in private workouts. If he looked good in private workouts he's the first one taken IMO. 

I do still believe Mixon is the last to go and will go in round 2-3. 
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Patriots have taken him off their board completely and said they won't draft him because of the incident.

 
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