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One trick pony. Use him like that and put Agholor in as the #2
The flip side of that coin is that it's a very big trick. Watching him run by Norman is encouraging and shows he has legit speed  with him on the field defenses have to take notice  

Brady 1st down every time.  Snap it quick, lower the shoulder behind the big guard/center and get the yard.


The oddest part is that it seems to be ONLY Brady who's this good at doing it. 

 
The flip side of that coin is that it's a very big trick. Watching him run by Norman is encouraging and shows he has legit speed  with him on the field defenses have to take notice  

The oddest part is that it seems to be ONLY Brady who's this good at doing it. 
It's like laying down a sac bunt. Lost art.

 
Lehigh98 said:
But less rapey.
Never bought the victims story of the incident. The details in her story always changed and having Cops and a lawyer in my family as well as friends when a story like her's changed that much you try to get more info on that person from family and friends. If I'm correct the case was thrown out after a witness that night said the victim lied about the whole thing with the except of them banging and it was consensual. The Lake Tahoe incident the friend of the alleged victim told investigators that her friend bragged to her countless times about sleeping with Ben. I won't say anything more on the subject other then I'm not defending Sexual Assault. There's just a lot of girls who take advantage of Celebrities for a quick payday Many of these IG Models (Instagram Models) stalk male celebs to start dating them hoping they mess up and can get a quick cash out. There was a recent incident of one of these where a Rams player was accused of DV by his now ex he had broke up with got back together. She apparently berated and hit him in his car and he just took it didn't lay a hand on her. Witenesses said the guy played his cards right and wouldn't have blamed him for laying a hand on her with the way she acted. Either way Celebrities at all levels and orientation should be mindful where they hangout and who they date. 

 
Looked like vintage McNabb out there yesterday.

Yes, I'm saying that as a positive.
He looked more like Aaron Rodgers with a less accurate deep ball with his escapability. The Big Ben comparison is more of his sheer size and how he's tought to bring down. 

 
Ertz seems to get way more love from the National media than the local fans and punditry.  Are locals giving him the "Bobby Abreu" treatment.....with the reality that we don't want to acknowledge that we have a very good/on the verge of being  kind of great (Top 5-7 at his position) player? 
Yes. I've always liked Ertz and feel he gets underrated by the locals. I like Abreu but a lot of fans issues with BA came from when he ran short of the wall on a ball he could've caught but he didn't keep running as he was afraid of the wall. Good player, his defense was overrated a bit but he was also pretty soft character wise. Never really fit the Philly type athlete which is why people undervalued him. 

 
Just a few notes from last nights game:

I know I'm higher on him than most but Wentz looks so good and they're going to keep the ball in his hands a lot. The running game just doesn't look good but it is just one week.

Speaking of Wentz, I LOVED the deep shots.  I'd like to think he starts hitting them more and Alshon comes down with some of the 50-50 balls. If so, look out.

Agholor looks completely different than in years past. 

The DL and the depth is HUGE. Those guys looked amazing. 

As you all know I can't stand Ertz, but with the way he finished last season with his physical play and catching the ball more and more over the middle he's starting to grow on me. He had a really good game yesterday  

Why does it feel like Peters misses snaps of every game? Big V looked pretty bad at times yesterday too. 
Maybe they could invest in an actual FB or put Burton back there like they said they planned on doing for a couple of yrs now. Both Chip and Doug have said that's possible. Here's are the Fullbacks available and theres a few good ones as well as Wentz College teammate TE/FB hybrid Andrew Bonnet who was with us last year in camp. 

Cory HarkeyFB27LATBD-

Zach LineFB27NOTBD-

Will JohnsonFB28NYGTBD-

John KuhnFB34NOTBD-

Jerome FeltonFB31BUFTBD-

Will TukuafuFB33SEATBD-

Nikita WhitlockFB26NYGTBD-

Trey MillardFB26KCTBD-

Orson CharlesFB26KCTBD-

Darrel YoungFB30CARTBD-

Andrew BonnetFB24PHITBD-

Chris SwainFB24NYJTBD-

Soma VainukuFB25ATLTBD-

Will RatelleFB24KCTBD-

Malcolm JohnsonFB25SEATBD

 
At the time I hated that play with the fumble but after watching some of the tape on it, it was a good call and one that had the potential to go for big yardage.

For me, it's that he doesn't fit my image of a TE.  Maybe I'm getting old but some of the running away from blocks (in Cincy) and sliding after making catches over the middle are not very TE like, in my book.  His blocking is another issue but I can give a pass on that because he is more of a receiver.  After the Cincy game last year he came out different.  He's lowering his head and fighting for extra yards now.  I think all of his catches yesterday came over the middle and from what I recall he didn't look scared.  These are steps in the right direction for him but I still don't know if he's a top 5-7 TE
I've always thought of Ertz as more of a WR then TE. Mike Mayock either Pre 2 or 3 said something to the effect you can't look at Ertz as a TE as he's more athletic and naturally moves like a WR. He's a Hybrid WR of sorts. 

 
It would be nice to see Wentz study film on Brady and learn to be as effective with the quarterback sneak.  As non-athletic and frail as Brady is, he has always been amazingly good at picking up a yard with the sneak. I can'[t remember seeing him fail.
That and have Rodgers ability to get people to jump offsides and get the too many men on the field Penalties. He already has the Payton Manning thing going calling plays at the Line. 

 
I sure hope that Barnett turns out to be something special. Watching Cook run all over the field last night and catch passes as well and knowing he was there for us if we wanted him kind of hurts. I have definitely been happy with Howie's moves over the last two years. But just thinking about Cook in our backfield with Wentz and these receivers makes my mouth water.  Instead we're rolling out LeGarrette Blount. I guess we hope that Smallwood or one of the others can develop.

Okay, back to being positive. Feels good to be 1-0 with a divisional road win under our belt. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
At the time I hated that play with the fumble but after watching some of the tape on it, it was a good call and one that had the potential to go for big yardage.

For me, it's that he doesn't fit my image of a TE.  Maybe I'm getting old but some of the running away from blocks (in Cincy) and sliding after making catches over the middle are not very TE like, in my book.  His blocking is another issue but I can give a pass on that because he is more of a receiver.  After the Cincy game last year he came out different.  He's lowering his head and fighting for extra yards now.  I think all of his catches yesterday came over the middle and from what I recall he didn't look scared.  These are steps in the right direction for him but I still don't know if he's a top 5-7 TE
He isn't, at least...at least not from a non-fantasy perspective. He's top 5 or so for fantasy, but we don't give points for blocking

 
I sure hope that Barnett turns out to be something special. Watching Cook run all over the field last night and catch passes as well and knowing he was there for us if we wanted him kind of hurts. I have definitely been happy with Howie's moves over the last two years. But just thinking about Cook in our backfield with Wentz and these receivers makes my mouth water.  Instead we're rolling out LeGarrette Blount. I guess we hope that Smallwood or one of the others can develop.

Okay, back to being positive. Feels good to be 1-0 with a divisional road win under our belt. 
It's just one game but I think Barnett isn't going to be draft a bust.  He's performed pretty well in the preseason and when his snaps increase I think that will shine through.

Plus, not to take anything away from what Cook did but the Saints D isn't all that good yet.

 
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I sure hope that Barnett turns out to be something special. Watching Cook run all over the field last night and catch passes as well and knowing he was there for us if we wanted him kind of hurts. I have definitely been happy with Howie's moves over the last two years. But just thinking about Cook in our backfield with Wentz and these receivers makes my mouth water.  Instead we're rolling out LeGarrette Blount. I guess we hope that Smallwood or one of the others can develop.

Okay, back to being positive. Feels good to be 1-0 with a divisional road win under our belt. 
We will get our RB soon enough.  Cook looked great though.  He made more sense for them.  They already have a defense

 
Too much is being made of the RB situation IMO. As I'm sure all of you know I was on the RB wagon prior to the draft but I'm not mad at the directions we went in. You can't fix all the holes in one off-season. RB will be very deep in the draft again next year and the FA's will be Bell, Crowell & Hyde. We'll be fine there but this is Carson's team anyway. 

 
Too much is being made of the RB situation IMO. As I'm sure all of you know I was on the RB wagon prior to the draft but I'm not mad at the directions we went in. You can't fix all the holes in one off-season. RB will be very deep in the draft again next year and the FA's will be Bell, Crowell & Hyde. We'll be fine there but this is Carson's team anyway. 
I agree it seems the easiest position to fix.  

 
Too much is being made of the RB situation IMO. As I'm sure all of you know I was on the RB wagon prior to the draft but I'm not mad at the directions we went in. You can't fix all the holes in one off-season. RB will be very deep in the draft again next year and the FA's will be Bell, Crowell & Hyde. We'll be fine there but this is Carson's team anyway. 
considering Tarik Cohen went in the 4th round to the Bears, i agree RB is available if they really need to go after one

 
I sure hope that Barnett turns out to be something special. Watching Cook run all over the field last night and catch passes as well and knowing he was there for us if we wanted him kind of hurts. I have definitely been happy with Howie's moves over the last two years. But just thinking about Cook in our backfield with Wentz and these receivers makes my mouth water.  Instead we're rolling out LeGarrette Blount. I guess we hope that Smallwood or one of the others can develop.

Okay, back to being positive. Feels good to be 1-0 with a divisional road win under our belt. 
Cook wasn't really there for us unless you're talking in round 1 which would have been too early.  We had him lined up in round 2 to pick but Minny traded in front of us to get him.  Not sure what we could have done there except maybe offer more and move up to that spot.  Do wish we had him though.

 
considering Tarik Cohen went in the 4th round to the Bears, i agree RB is available if they really need to go after one
He went the pick after we took Mack Hollins at 118. We could have likely taken him there, then Hollins with our next pick at 139 (instead of Pumphrey, who we traded up to 132 in order to get.)

Early returns look like Cohen is giving the Bears the weapon the Eagles thought they were getting with Pumphrey. 

 
He went the pick after we took Mack Hollins at 118. We could have likely taken him there, then Hollins with our next pick at 139 (instead of Pumphrey, who we traded up to 132 in order to get.)

Early returns look like Cohen is giving the Bears the weapon the Eagles thought they were getting with Pumphrey. 
It's why the draft is such a crap shoot. You can analyze till you're blue in the face. But then you pick a guy who's 5'8" 175 and he can't play while another team picks a 5'8" 175 guy and he's a dynamic force.

 
It's why the draft is such a crap shoot. You can analyze till you're blue in the face. But then you pick a guy who's 5'8" 175 and he can't play while another team picks a 5'8" 175 guy and he's a dynamic force.
It's instructive to go back and read the so-called draft sharks' analyses on Bell, Johnson, and Shady. Bell's stop-start style was gonna get him killed in the NFL. Shady had nowhere near the top-end speed or explosion to make it as a #1. And DJ was a long-strider with poor vision and no quicks. Today they're three of the top 5 backs in the league, while dozens of guys drafted before them have washed out.

This is exactly why the Belichick philosophy - trading down for bunches of mid-rounders and using them to throw darts at guys who are really good at one specific thing - has worked so well for so long.

 
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Cook wasn't really there for us unless you're talking in round 1 which would have been too early.  We had him lined up in round 2 to pick but Minny traded in front of us to get him.  Not sure what we could have done there except maybe offer more and move up to that spot.  Do wish we had him though.
I'm not sure I agree with that.  If he's a stud, there's no such thing as "too early".

 
It's instructive to go back and read the so-called draft sharks' analyses on Bell, Johnson, and Shady. Bell's stop-start style was gonna get him killed in the NFL. Shady had nowhere near the top-end speed or explosion to make it as a #1. And DJ was a long-strider with poor vision and no quicks. Today they're three of the top 5 backs in the league, while dozens of guys drafted before them have washed out.

This is exactly why the Belichick philosophy - trading down for bunches of mid-rounders and using them to throw darts at guys who are really good at one specific thing - has worked so well for so long.
The second paragraph is key. Joe Banner was actually talking about this not to long ago. In short, the "hit rate" (he said they used being a starter for 2+ years equaled a hit)  around the league is 50%. So adding more picks to the equation obviously gives you more chances to hit. 

The thing that I think gets lost in all this is that a lot of the running backs we've talked about this year are pretty much the focal points of their offenses. These guys are needed to cover up the  deficiencies of their team's QB's. I think the mix of Blount, Smallwood and Sproles will be just fine for our team as it's currently built. If we still had Bradford, not so much. 

Im also not quitting Pumphrey yet either. He hasn't looked good by any stretch but there's still plenty of time. 

 
I'm not sure I agree with that.  If he's a stud, there's no such thing as "too early".
Couple things on this. 

The draft is all about value.  And there's nothing worth then someone with 20/20 hindsight.  Had we taken Dalvin at 14, it would have been a bad pick AT THE TIME.  Everyone would have said how we could have gotten him a round later and how it was a huge reach.  Ya it would have worked out, but then maybe our DE that we take isn't CLOSE to as good as Barnett becomes. 

We could also scrutinize every pick of the 2nd round and say "why didn't the eagles trade up there for Cook?".  To get Barnett+Cook by giving up a future mid round pick would have been better than taking Cook round 1 and whoever else in round 2.  So he was there for us to take in theory at pick 30, 35, and 40.  14 would have been early based on the fact we could have moved up to 40 and taken him.

HAD he slipped 2 more spots, he was ours.  And you, me, and everyone here would be saying how smart it was for us to wait for him in the 2nd round.  It would have been praised for not taking him round 1, so the action of skipping him at 14 can't at all be questioned.  Anyone can hit 3 7's on the flop in a game of poker and say they should have held their 2/7, but it was still the smart move not to at the time.

 
The second paragraph is key. Joe Banner was actually talking about this not to long ago. In short, the "hit rate" (he said they used being a starter for 2+ years equaled a hit)  around the league is 50%. So adding more picks to the equation obviously gives you more chances to hit. 

The thing that I think gets lost in all this is that a lot of the running backs we've talked about this year are pretty much the focal points of their offenses. These guys are needed to cover up the  deficiencies of their team's QB's. I think the mix of Blount, Smallwood and Sproles will be just fine for our team as it's currently built. If we still had Bradford, not so much. 

Im also not quitting Pumphrey yet either. He hasn't looked good by any stretch but there's still plenty of time. 
Let's not get back into this but c'mon, the guy played lights out. (I'm still happy we let him go and have Wentz).

As for RB, the league is clearly moving towards just having young guys be your main guy.  We all knew Blount was a one year guy, Mathews wasn't the future, Sproles was almost done, etc.  I saw Pump as a dart throw, and same with Smallwood.  RB's don't need time to 'grow' and improve, and their careers are so short as is.  Therefore, I really really believe that we're gonna go get a stud in round 1 or 2 of next year's draft when we're ready to hopefully make a run.  RB's in the first 50 picks are usually good enough to start and be effective right away.

 
Also still way too early to give up Pumphery.  He's had one preseason to get used to NFL action.  I'm happy for Cohen but what if he puts up a dud this week?  Just still way too early to judge.

 
Couple things on this. 

The draft is all about value.  And there's nothing worth then someone with 20/20 hindsight.  Had we taken Dalvin at 14, it would have been a bad pick AT THE TIME.  Everyone would have said how we could have gotten him a round later and how it was a huge reach.  Ya it would have worked out, but then maybe our DE that we take isn't CLOSE to as good as Barnett becomes. 

We could also scrutinize every pick of the 2nd round and say "why didn't the eagles trade up there for Cook?".  To get Barnett+Cook by giving up a future mid round pick would have been better than taking Cook round 1 and whoever else in round 2.  So he was there for us to take in theory at pick 30, 35, and 40.  14 would have been early based on the fact we could have moved up to 40 and taken him.

HAD he slipped 2 more spots, he was ours.  And you, me, and everyone here would be saying how smart it was for us to wait for him in the 2nd round.  It would have been praised for not taking him round 1, so the action of skipping him at 14 can't at all be questioned.  Anyone can hit 3 7's on the flop in a game of poker and say they should have held their 2/7, but it was still the smart move not to at the time.
Or maybe you would have taken a different DE that ends up even better.  Or maybe Barnett ends up being bad vs. getting a stud in Cook.  I get that hindsight kind of stinks, but saying Cook wouldn't be good value at 14 is also based on hindsight of knowing he went 41.  Had you drafted him, the next thing we would see Schefter saying is "my sources tell me Team Z was making a move to get Cook and he wouldn't have lasted another 6 picks" or some other garbage.  I also dispute the whole "you could have gotten him later"  argument for the same reason.  I get that all the time in my drafts to which I always respond "I'll be busy later being right there too".   Bottom line is the best picks are the best picks and if a team makes them it's entirely irrelevant what they paid.  There's no substitute for successful picks and there's no such thing as "too early" if you get them right.  Go check out the Bears/Trubisky threads to see this in action.  Heck as Eagles fans the Wentz deal should show this.  Do you care one iota that you paid out the nose for the pick?  Because I guarantee you the Skins fans do.

Sorry to derail this and I didn't mean to pick a fight, just wanted to get that off my chest.

 
Or maybe you would have taken a different DE that ends up even better.  Or maybe Barnett ends up being bad vs. getting a stud in Cook.  I get that hindsight kind of stinks, but saying Cook wouldn't be good value at 14 is also based on hindsight of knowing he went 41.  Had you drafted him, the next thing we would see Schefter saying is "my sources tell me Team Z was making a move to get Cook and he wouldn't have lasted another 6 picks" or some other garbage.  I also dispute the whole "you could have gotten him later"  argument for the same reason.  I get that all the time in my drafts to which I always respond "I'll be busy later being right there too".   Bottom line is the best picks are the best picks and if a team makes them it's entirely irrelevant what they paid.  There's no substitute for successful picks and there's no such thing as "too early" if you get them right.  Go check out the Bears/Trubisky threads to see this in action.  Heck as Eagles fans the Wentz deal should show this.  Do you care one iota that you paid out the nose for the pick?  Because I guarantee you the Skins fans do.

Sorry to derail this and I didn't mean to pick a fight, just wanted to get that off my chest.
No, it was pretty common knowledge he wasn't going in round 1.  He was being mocked mid 2nd round (even to us at 43 often).  Even if Cook was great in Philly (we don't know he would be) we could say we reached and could have had him later.  It's all about value... and at the time, there's no way Cook was value at pick #14 of that draft.  I would be impressed if we liked him enough to move up to pick 40 for him, but we clearly didn't like him that much for some reason, so 14 would have gone against everything they and 30 other teams saw.  Likely not one NFL team would have taken him at 14, so no matter how good he turns out, it was a smart move to pass on him at 14.

 
Also still way too early to give up Pumphery.  He's had one preseason to get used to NFL action.  I'm happy for Cohen but what if he puts up a dud this week?  Just still way too early to judge.
Agree.  Don't think it's time to "give up on him" but this backfield is really crowded, and our true #1 RB is coming in next year's draft.  Let them all chip in a bit here and there for now.  I don't really care if Pump does much this year or not.

 
Agree.  Don't think it's time to "give up on him" but this backfield is really crowded, and our true #1 RB is coming in next year's draft.  Let them all chip in a bit here and there for now.  I don't really care if Pump does much this year or not.
Sell the farm for Saquon Barkley!!!!  :clap: :clap:

 
I'm firmly on the Smallwood bandwagon.  Think he can be "the guy" for this team.  I only question his durability, and the lines ability to open holes, apparently.

 
Let's not get back into this but c'mon, the guy played lights out. (I'm still happy we let him go and have Wentz).
Lol. I meant just in general about the QB. Almost all the teams that took a RB early or traded up to get one did so because of the QB's they had IMO.  

Im not expecting them to ever take a RB early. I think this is a passing regime and everything will run through Wentz. If he shows he can't handle it and stops progressing than we will. 

 
Lol. I meant just in general about the QB. Almost all the teams that took a RB early or traded up to get one did so because of the QB's they had IMO.  

Im not expecting them to ever take a RB early. I think this is a passing regime and everything will run through Wentz. If he shows he can't handle it and stops progressing than we will. 
I think Wentz can handle it, I just think having a dynamic runner would be awesome as well and open things up.  My hope is it's in round 2 next year but we'll see. 

 
I'm starting to give up on Smallwood. When we had Westbrook and McCoy in their early years, they gave you glimpses of greatness. Smallwood has done squat. I think Buckhalter level is the best he'll ever be if he even gets there.

 
I'm starting to give up on Smallwood. When we had Westbrook and McCoy in their early years, they gave you glimpses of greatness. Smallwood has done squat. I think Buckhalter level is the best he'll ever be if he even gets there.
He can't block either.

 
DJackson10 said:
Eagles signed K Jake Elliot off the Cincy PS today to replace Caleb Sturgis. Bengals 5th rounder this past draft
New Eagles kicker Jake Elliott 7/7 on his kicks today in practice from 33, 36, 39, 42, 45, 49, and 52.

 
I'm glad we didn't take a RB in the first two rounds and thankful Cook didn't last 2 more picks.  He looks damn good, but we drafted high productivity AND upside guys at much much more valuable positions in Barnett and Jones.

 
I'm not sure I agree with that.  If he's a stud, there's no such thing as "too early".
Agreed he went lower do to some few off the field issues but talking to friends who went to FSU said he really matured off and on the field since then. He also got burned on the good ole lets take the Combine #s way too seriously crowd. We all know what happens when you base too much on Combine #s. You get Mike Mamula instead of Warren Sapp. 

 
I'm glad we didn't take a RB in the first two rounds and thankful Cook didn't last 2 more picks.  He looks damn good, but we drafted high productivity AND upside guys at much much more valuable positions in Barnett and Jones.
I might be one of the few fans who thinks Jones is incredible overrated. I hope he proves me wrong but he looked very soft in college size wise as it looks like he can be pushed around by the big WRs in our division. PAC didn't really have a great WR class, and the achilles scares me as he relies a lot on Speed. .1 of a sec he's slower could be a difference in this league of being good and being avg and Achillies injuries aren't like ACL injuries where you are guaranteed to play well again. I'm no a JU JU Shuser fan much but JuJu gave him fits. I liked Kevin King a lot more honestly. I thought the 2nd round was too early for Jones and would've been better "value" as a 4th. I thought there were better players not just at DB who were healthy we could've had. Again I hope he proves me wrong but I really didn't like the pick because 1 I thought Jones was kind of overrated coming out and I didn't like taking an injured player in the 2nd round. Like I said later in the draft taken I'd have had no problem.

 
I'm starting to give up on Smallwood. When we had Westbrook and McCoy in their early years, they gave you glimpses of greatness. Smallwood has done squat. I think Buckhalter level is the best he'll ever be if he even gets there.
Think he is worth holding as a handcuff to Blount or is he a lost cause this year fantasy wise?

 
I'm starting to give up on Smallwood. When we had Westbrook and McCoy in their early years, they gave you glimpses of greatness. Smallwood has done squat. I think Buckhalter level is the best he'll ever be if he even gets there.
you know shadys first year he didnt blow me away.  second year was crazy good

but that first year i didnt think he would turn into what he is now

 

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