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*Official 2017 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles* - Parade of Champions Down Broad Street! (2 Viewers)
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oldmanhawkins
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I could see a RB. Dion Lewis would be a big help to this team. Versatile and he has to be better in blitz pickup than what they have (right?)
dhockster
Footballguy
I would trade our first next year for Duane Brown. He was very solid in his return yesterday. I think when you have a window to win it all, you go all in. I think with Rodgers out this is a great window. Brown should be good to play next year, and 2019 we can draft a first round Offensive Tackle, if a good one is available.
Texans may not be willing to do it however, because he really helps the weakest area on their team.
Texans may not be willing to do it however, because he really helps the weakest area on their team.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
No way I trade my first for a 32 year old making 5.5 this year and 9.75 next year. Big V played well yesterday too.
We're 7-1....lets roll with what we have
dhockster
Footballguy
I am fine if I am in the minority on my opinion. I do find it funny that we gave Jason Peters a 4 year extension for similar money in 2014 when he was 32. Was that not a good idea?
As for the 1st round pick, I think there is a big difference between a late round first round pick and a first round pick in the top or even middle of the first round. I also opined in an earlier post that I would try to get Houston to give up their 3rd round pick to make the deal more palpaple for the Eagles. It probably won't happen because Brown has significantly improved the Texans Oline and they still have a good chance to win their division.
Also, I didn't watch the whole game yesterday, but I did see Big V give up a sack. He could have played well overall but I didn't see the whole game
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Mystery Achiever
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DJackson10
Footballguy
That's more sports talk radio. It's so bad in this town it's honestly embarrassing. NYC has better sports talk on the Fan then we have. I stopped listening yrs ago. I may once in awhile caught Bruno/Ennis and Mac but very rarely. I use to hate Howard Eskin but now I'm regretting I didn't appreciate how good he was compared to the jabronies they employee in this town now. I think it's laughable 96.5 didn't fire those employees for that prank they had. Do that in another city and they'd have been gone. Either way I realized maybe 2% of the sports talk people on know what they are talking about. I don't mind the football talk as it's my favorite sport but we really need more Flyers talk and I think sports talk in general. There's no reason there shouldn't be any Soccer or at least 30 mins of Union talk considering how popular Soccer is in this town as well. Either way most of the time these jabroies just throw something up on the wall hoping it sticks. If it doesn't they and the idiot callers who agree with them find some other excuse to be negative Nancy's. What I really hate is when there's an actual intelligent caller on and the host if it doesn't fit their agenda cuts them off, starts making fun of them, hangs up on them and if the next caller agrees with the host they rag on the last caller. Extremely childish and quite frankly unprofessional.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I was thinking about him do to the Pederson Chiefs connection but I heard there was some issues with him being committed to fully playing again which is why he hasn't signed anywhere. I don't think the teams liked the whole retirement stunt and then un-retire he pulled. Doesn't hurt to try
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Is the bold really true? I didn't think the Union were that popular in this town (and I used to be a Union partial season ticket holder). But perhaps the reason why I don't think they're popular is because nobody talks about them on sports radio.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Giving an extension to Peters was a good and I'd say great idea. Of course hindsight has a lot to do with it and most importantly he's a leader of our team. Brown doesn't appear to have the same character at all from what Ive read and we'd have to hope he plays up to the level Peters did at the same age. He's also been holding out for the past 3 months. He's looking for a retirement check and I'd rather he get it from somewhere else.dhockster said:
I wouldn't do it even if they gave us the 3 back to be honest. What's going to sustain this run is getting good, young draft picks who are under a rookie deal for some time.
Yes, he did give up a sack after about 5 seconds of Wentz standing in the pocket. The ball should have been long gone by that time.
Bigboy10182000
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dhockster
Footballguy
Fair enough. Living in Houston, I have seen Brown a lot. Whatever is going on off the field has never really affected his on field play. He is a quality left tackle. But I understand what you are saying.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Heard there were issues with him and the players on defense especially team leaders. At least that's how the rumors went and what's gone around. No really detailed info on specific instances or anything like that though. Not sure if the Players didn't trust him, maybe he tried coming off as the Next JJ and players who played under him felt that was disrespectful, players being disrespected etc? I never got why he was fired so quickly but that rumor if true makes sense if true why he was gone so fast.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
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but they didn't have to give up a first round pick to pay itdhockster said:
DJackson10
Footballguy
I just picked up the Rams defense on Saturday. #2 in ESPN fantasy rankings. They had a bye and I have KC and Den which both have some what been disappointing. Got rid of Den for the simple reason KC can get turnovers and they have Hill who could always break one for 6 on ST
DJackson10
Footballguy
Funny how the protege would be bringing back one of his Mentors players. Also Dion Lewis for useless fact of the day was Shady's back up at Pittsburgh when both were there. I really liked both guys when they were there.oldmanhawkins said:
DJackson10
Footballguy
It's simple more of a fact all we did then was give Peters money we didn't trade any assets. Already thin on picks right now we can't be giving away picks especially early ones for a 32 yr old with a huge cap hit next year. If Brown was younger in his 20's I'd maybe do it but to help the cap Eagles need those early round picks and hit so they can replace more expensive players down the line. Drafting younger impact guys also helps creates more cap space when they are successful and can contribute.dhockster said:
DJackson10
Footballguy
NFL Update @MySportsUpdate
Per ESPN's @mortreport, the #Eagles and #Jaguars are two teams most interested in trading for Calvin Johnson's rights from Detroit.
9:26 AM - Oct 30, 2017
Per BGN sounds like this account took Morts' comments and twisted it
"As it turns out, however, that’s not really what Chris Mortensen said. Here’s a transcript of his appearance on ESPN’s Mike And Mike from Monday morning:
“I’ll say long shot chances. Really, to be honest with you, [Adam Schefter] is my total source here. Adam’s done the reporting on this. And there are some funny stories behind it, which we may not have time to tell.”
“But I’ll say this: the speculation has been the Philadelphia Eagles. Once again, they need a tackle. They’re 7-1. They have only a first round pick next year and three fours. They don’t have a second and third round pick, that’s not good. What’s it going to take to get Calvin Johnson, who, by the way, his base salary is still on the books for $16 million. Calvin has been working out, I guess, but does he really want to play? Jacksonville, their ears are perked up. Chances are, I don’t think it happens. Detroit obviously owns his rights there.”"
PFT also denied the rumors as well
dhockster
Footballguy
True. I was responding more to his comment that Brown being 32 is a reason not to do a deal.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Mostly because they don't talk about them. I listen to WFAN and they are always talking other sports including soccer, golf and tennis. I think it was the last World Cup they did a segment on it almost every day even if it was just 20 or so mins. Here in Philly it seems nothing else matters unless its Philly sports especially Baseball/football but now all the bandwagon basketball fans are coming out. It's very discouraging the lack of Flyers talk though. I wouldn't say I'm as good with NHL and hockey as I am Baseball and Football so it'd be nice to have some coverage there. The Eagles and 76ers I understand as they are partnered radio wise with WIP unless the Sixers changed partnerships
jasvic
Footballguy
But that is an important part. If he was a FA, then I'd be interested. But giving up a 1st round pick? No thanks. It's not the money, it's the picks, especially when they're so thin next draft (of course I'm sure Howie will work magic and more picks will materialize, but for now...)
DJackson10
Footballguy
FROM BGN
Jay Glazer says the Eagles are going to be “aggressive” at the trade deadline (Tuesday at 4pm), in particular trying to acquire another offensive tackle. Why not?
The Eagles have the best record in the league and nobody knows what the future holds. Besides, with Carson Wentz accelerating the Eagles rebuild, the future is now, and the Eagles could use reinforcements. In-season trades are generally cheap, the Bills-Jaguars trade of Marcell Dareus for a 6th/conditional 5th round pick should help solidify the market. Additionally, with the Eagles on a bye after next week, the timing is perfect. A player acquired in a trade would almost certainly be inactive on Sunday against the Broncos anyway, but then he would get the bye week to help get up to speed with the playbook. The adjustment period would be as good as could be asked for.
So what could the Eagles trade for? Three positions stand out, and a fourth makes sense as well:
Offensive tackle
This is the biggest need. The Eagles like Halapoulivaati Vaitai, but they don’t have anything behind him. The third tackle is Taylor Hart, who was added last week, was a healthy scratch against the 49ers, and the next snap he takes at offensive tackle in a competitive game will be his first. The insurance of someone who has some actual experience at blocking is both a big need, and a low bar to clear.
Duane Brown, who returned from a hold out in Houston to find out his owner called him a prison inmate, is the big name that will get banded about, and there’s no doubt he wouldn’t mind a change of ownership scenery. But the $4.7 million that Brown is owed for the rest of the season would eat up a lot of the Eagles remaining cap space of $6.5 million, which would severely limit the moves they can make if there are more injuries. More likely is a move for a Bills offensive lineman.
Linebacker
The situation at linebacker is similar to offensive tackle. The Eagles like Joe Walker, but behind him they don’t have much. Najee Goode and Kamu Grugier-Hill are just special teams players, and Nate Gerry is transitioning to linebacker from safety. Mychal Kendricks has missed time in every season he’s played, and the second half of the Panthers game showed that the Eagles don’t have the depth if they have to go two deep off the bench. An upgrade at linebacker is another low bar to clear, and unlike offensive tackle a new addition can be worked into a rotation as he gets up to speed.
Running back
The Eagles running game has been fine in Darren Sproles’ absence, but there’s a few elements that they haven’t been able to replicate. In addition to his abilities as a pass catcher, Sproles was the best pass blocker of the running backs. With Kenjon Barner the punt returner, the backfield is crowded, but while the Eagles have a team on the phone they should at least do their due diligence. A new running back could play right away in a limited capacity as well.
Special teams
Here’s a wild card that’s unlikely to happen, but again while the Eagles have a team on the phone, why not ask. The loss of Chris Maragos was the special teams equivalent of losing Jason Peters on offense or Jordan Hicks on defense. The Eagles have in-house options on the active roster and practice squad to say nothing of street free agency, and Dave Fipp is outstanding at getting newcomers to hit the ground running, but if there’s a difference maker on special teams out there, why not go get him? In his year in limbo, Howie Roseman studied roster constructions in other sports. In leagues where trades happen all the time, teams that can’t pull a deal to shore up a weakness sometimes instead make a move to deepen a strength. For a team that isn’t going anywhere, flipping a special teamer for a late round pick is a smart add-up-the-margins move, for the Eagles, a team that counts on great special teams play, re-enforcing a unit that just suffered a major injury is also a smart move as well. Like offensive tackle, linebacker, and running back, special teams are potentially another injury away from being an issue.
Trades in the NFL are rare, and during the season they’re so infrequent that the trade deadline should probably be moved back. Despite Howie Roseman’s impressive resume in trading, expect the Eagles to not be able to make a trade, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be aggressive. Nearly everything is coming up Milhouse (H/T to BSH’s Kurt) this season, giving up a 6th round pick shouldn’t stop anything.
Jay Glazer says the Eagles are going to be “aggressive” at the trade deadline (Tuesday at 4pm), in particular trying to acquire another offensive tackle. Why not?
The Eagles have the best record in the league and nobody knows what the future holds. Besides, with Carson Wentz accelerating the Eagles rebuild, the future is now, and the Eagles could use reinforcements. In-season trades are generally cheap, the Bills-Jaguars trade of Marcell Dareus for a 6th/conditional 5th round pick should help solidify the market. Additionally, with the Eagles on a bye after next week, the timing is perfect. A player acquired in a trade would almost certainly be inactive on Sunday against the Broncos anyway, but then he would get the bye week to help get up to speed with the playbook. The adjustment period would be as good as could be asked for.
So what could the Eagles trade for? Three positions stand out, and a fourth makes sense as well:
Offensive tackle
This is the biggest need. The Eagles like Halapoulivaati Vaitai, but they don’t have anything behind him. The third tackle is Taylor Hart, who was added last week, was a healthy scratch against the 49ers, and the next snap he takes at offensive tackle in a competitive game will be his first. The insurance of someone who has some actual experience at blocking is both a big need, and a low bar to clear.
Duane Brown, who returned from a hold out in Houston to find out his owner called him a prison inmate, is the big name that will get banded about, and there’s no doubt he wouldn’t mind a change of ownership scenery. But the $4.7 million that Brown is owed for the rest of the season would eat up a lot of the Eagles remaining cap space of $6.5 million, which would severely limit the moves they can make if there are more injuries. More likely is a move for a Bills offensive lineman.
Linebacker
The situation at linebacker is similar to offensive tackle. The Eagles like Joe Walker, but behind him they don’t have much. Najee Goode and Kamu Grugier-Hill are just special teams players, and Nate Gerry is transitioning to linebacker from safety. Mychal Kendricks has missed time in every season he’s played, and the second half of the Panthers game showed that the Eagles don’t have the depth if they have to go two deep off the bench. An upgrade at linebacker is another low bar to clear, and unlike offensive tackle a new addition can be worked into a rotation as he gets up to speed.
Running back
The Eagles running game has been fine in Darren Sproles’ absence, but there’s a few elements that they haven’t been able to replicate. In addition to his abilities as a pass catcher, Sproles was the best pass blocker of the running backs. With Kenjon Barner the punt returner, the backfield is crowded, but while the Eagles have a team on the phone they should at least do their due diligence. A new running back could play right away in a limited capacity as well.
Special teams
Here’s a wild card that’s unlikely to happen, but again while the Eagles have a team on the phone, why not ask. The loss of Chris Maragos was the special teams equivalent of losing Jason Peters on offense or Jordan Hicks on defense. The Eagles have in-house options on the active roster and practice squad to say nothing of street free agency, and Dave Fipp is outstanding at getting newcomers to hit the ground running, but if there’s a difference maker on special teams out there, why not go get him? In his year in limbo, Howie Roseman studied roster constructions in other sports. In leagues where trades happen all the time, teams that can’t pull a deal to shore up a weakness sometimes instead make a move to deepen a strength. For a team that isn’t going anywhere, flipping a special teamer for a late round pick is a smart add-up-the-margins move, for the Eagles, a team that counts on great special teams play, re-enforcing a unit that just suffered a major injury is also a smart move as well. Like offensive tackle, linebacker, and running back, special teams are potentially another injury away from being an issue.
Trades in the NFL are rare, and during the season they’re so infrequent that the trade deadline should probably be moved back. Despite Howie Roseman’s impressive resume in trading, expect the Eagles to not be able to make a trade, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be aggressive. Nearly everything is coming up Milhouse (H/T to BSH’s Kurt) this season, giving up a 6th round pick shouldn’t stop anything.
dhockster
Footballguy
If the Eagles determine at the end of the season that Peters career is done, then they can cut him in the offseason and save $5.3. Brown's cap number for next year is $9.7 million so the cap hit would not be huge ($4.4 million). Plus, to trade for him, you probably have to restructure his deal to make next year guaranteed and also add a year to the contract. You could push some of the cap hit for next year to 2019 thus further reducing any cap hit.
Again, I get the draft pick angle. The Cap is not really a factor in doing or not doing this deal.
dhockster
Footballguy
If the market is as low as he says, maybe Houston would settle for one of the Eagles 4th round picks next year and a conditional 3rd round pick in 2019 which could be a 2nd if Brown met playing time %'s over the next 1.5 years. Would you guys be more inclined to do a deal if that were the price tag?
jasvic
Footballguy
According to Pederson today, his usage was just based on the flow of the game, which I do not understand at all.
Insein
Footballguy
Yea there's a about 0.00000% chance of this happening and even if it did, the guy has been retired for what 2-3 years now. What shape is he going to be in?
Yeah, I'm not sure I'd even want him. I like our receiving corps this year. I'm also questioning Calvin's ethics if he wanted to retire badly with the team that he always played for but would suddenly want to play again if the team had a shot at the Super Bowl. No thank you. Give me Alshon and agholor and Hollins.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Maybe with the rain, they had planned on going with Blount a lot more? Dunno, people didn't seem to be slipping a ton out there..
babydemon90
Footballguy
Of course, the Eagles are undefeated when Blount get at least 1 carry...
Insein
Footballguy
Don't get me wrong. If there was a guarantee Calvin circa 2011 was coming here, I'd give up everything not nailed down. But that just ain't gonna happen.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Not sure why I didn't think of this before but....Why would the Texans even entertain offers for Brown? Theyre in the hunt for the division title and have what looks like a great young QB and budding offense. I cant see any scenario where they deal now that he has to be back.
A lot of people don't understand that it takes 2 teams having a need in order for something to happen. The Pats and Texans are both very much in the playoff picture so they have zero need to trade away assets for draft picks. Just cause we want them, doesn't mean there's even a remote chance.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Full trade: Seahawks traded CB Jeremy Lane, a 2018 5th-round pick and a 2019 second-round pick to Texans for OT Duane Brown, per sources.
Per Schefty
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Celek, Ertz and Burton all aren't great blockers. If they were to add someone....I'd try to add a blocking TE who has decent enough pass catching skills to help the OL. That would probably mean the end of Celek......but he has to be gone next year anyway.
babydemon90
Footballguy
49ers trade for Garoppolo is interesting. Scratch the Cousins to the 49ers talk.
I agree sports talk radio in philly is awful I like Saturday morning with Didinger and nights with Jody Mac other then that I listen here and there when Im really bored. I dont mind Ike Reese and whoever his new partner is something Carlin but no idea where hecame from. What I disagree with you about is I dont care how bad its is now Eskin is terrible he just looks good now because you compare him to people like Jon Ritchie and Mike Miss. It would be like saying Im a genius because Im smarter then Forrest Gump. I lived in NY they are just as bad
babydemon90
Footballguy
RIP ex-Eagle Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
certainly right about Didinger, but surprised you lived in NY and don't know who Carlin is. Worked at WFAN for several years as an update guy/producer and sometimes on air. Mike and the Mad Dog used to make fun of him all time.
mquinnjr
Footballguy
A small part of me wants to see Danny use the obscure franchise tag rule for the 3rd year just for the comedic value. But yeah, in reality that works just fine.
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