*Official 2018 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles* - Tough way to go out. Magic finally gone. (3 Viewers)

[simey]

Carson is great and they have some good pieces.  But this is not a playoff team.  I will always root for them but the best thing for the long term is for them to get a better pick and improve the roster.

The Eagles have had some heartbreaking losses this year.  They should have beaten my Panthers, but luckily for the cats they rallied in the 4th qtr. The Eagles haven't been blown out by anyone, and all of the losses have been by 7 points or less. That may change against the Saints next weekend, but anything can happen. Even with a two game lead by the Skins, the NFC East is still up for grabs. My BIL (who is originally from outside of Philly) and my oldest nephew are Eagles fans. I keep track of them somewhat. I mainly root for Ertz since he is on my main fantasy team.  I also like Wentz (who is not on my fantasy team).  Anyway, if you get out of the playoff race, it is always fun to be a spoiler for your foes.

 

[babydemon90]

The thought of Drew Brees and our secondary is just plain scary.

Anyone know of any top DBs that might be in the next draft class? 

I mean that's an area where injuries are killing us.  No Sidney Jones, no Jalen Mills this past game, and Darby had to leave with an injury.  I don't even know these guys we were trotting out this last game.

Chandon Sullivan had 19 snaps on defense.  TY McGill had 15 snaps (neither had a single snap on defense prior to yesterday). 

Trey Sullivan had 22 snaps.

We're going to be starting Sullivan and Rasul Douglas next week.  Against Drew Brees.

 

[Insein]

I mean that's an area where injuries are killing us.  No Sidney Jones, no Jalen Mills this past game, and Darby had to leave with an injury.  I don't even know these guys we were trotting out this last game.

Chandon Sullivan had 19 snaps on defense.  TY McGill had 15 snaps (neither had a single snap on defense prior to yesterday). 

Trey Sullivan had 22 snaps.

We're going to be starting Sullivan and Rasul Douglas next week.  Against Drew Brees.

Against Michael Thomas. Thank God I own him in fantasy. He's going to have like 25 catches.

 

[Gachi]

I mean that's an area where injuries are killing us.  No Sidney Jones, no Jalen Mills this past game, and Darby had to leave with an injury.  I don't even know these guys we were trotting out this last game.

Chandon Sullivan had 19 snaps on defense.  TY McGill had 15 snaps (neither had a single snap on defense prior to yesterday). 

Trey Sullivan had 22 snaps.

We're going to be starting Sullivan and Rasul Douglas next week.  Against Drew Brees.

Yeah it’s just brutal. 

Going 8-8 would be a miracle.

 

[Deamon]

Darby done for the season with a torn ACL per Doug's presser.  ####.

 

[Deamon]

Whoever wins this division will be an easy out anyway

Think the div winner MIGHT have a shot at winning the first week as they'd likely be hosting Carolina, Green Bay, or Minny.  I think all 3 of those teams are beatable at home.  As for round 2, there's absolutely ZERO chance our div winner is going on the road and beating the saints or rams.  None.

 

[Deamon]

I don't think Lurie lets Doug live off this for too long. Andy Reid had what, 5 years at almost the very top?  Yea he didn't get over, but that team was one of the next year after year.  If Doug gets the team to be competitive and a top 3 team in the NFC year after year - then yea, even with one Super Bowl he'll be here, and that's ok.  If year after year this mediocrity is what we have, then he's not gonna last too long. Maybe he needs a strong OC.  That's ok, if he can get one.  Not sure who is out there. McAdoo?  That would be funny.

I can't follow the X's and O's on defense, so I don't know who is responsible for all these lapses in coverage.  Is it players not being where they are supposed to be?  Or is it that the scheme just has huge gaping hols there to be exploited.  We have guys running WIDE open in the secondary on a regular basis.  I get players getting beat - but that wide open?  again and again?  I'm leaning scheme, but I'm not an expert.

Doug likely has 2 more years after this one no matter what his record.  His job is obviously safe this offseason, and I think no matter what happens next year, he gets one more offseaon to turn it around. 

 

[BassNBrew]

This got ugly in a hurry.

Probably somewhere in between the offseason dynasty talk and the current we suck talk.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

And it still felt like the forced poses after TDs was just sending the wrong vibe. The whole karma of this team this year is off. They talked about still being hungry and still staying focused but they're fat. They ate off the glory all spring and summer and this is what we have. 

Hopefully next year they can get their heads out of their asses and figure out how to win again.

Yep and it’s been that way all year.  The looked like they felt like they had to celebrate IMO.

100% Super Bowl hangover. And it’s not limited to just players either. At the time I didn’t have an issue with elevating Groh and giving Duece and Press Taylor a shot but as it stands now we took a big step back there. Maybe they learn and get better as coaches or maybe they don’t. 

Almost every player who was here last year, seems bad or you don’t hear anything from them. Outside if Bradhams suspension I don’t think I have heard his name all year.  Same with Hicks minus the suspension. There are just SO MANY players on offense and defense who look so bad compared to last year. 

No I'm a realist.  This team sucks and cannot come back this season from what they dug themselves into.  

Can't run the ball.  Weak pass blocking.  Can't get off the field on third down.  Can't generate turnovers.  Horrible play calling.  

The offensive line which was supposed to be a strength is definitely not.  No secondary.  At all.  

Carson is great and they have some good pieces.  But this is not a playoff team.  I will always root for them but the best thing for the long term is for them to get a better pick and improve the roster.

Everything you said is true. I’ve been saying it since early October and they’re the exact same today. There is no urgency at all, anywhere. I know the numbers say he’s doing better but even Wentz doesn’t look the same. A LOT of passes yesterday were completed but off the mark. If he hit half of them with the receiver in stride he would have had a huge game. 

I’m not all out on the coaches or Doug either. The players seem very unmotivated and they all seem to be looking or hoping the guy next to them makes a play. The DL played VERY well for almost the first 2 quarters and went to sleep after that. Next to no pressure when it mattered most. 

Theres just so much wrong. Outside of playing the Giants, even our wins are awful. This is a 6-10 team right now with a max of 7-9. We can’t score and can’t stop you from scoring. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Just saw this on the twitters. Sucks - one of the better IDP DBs for FFB purposes, and a huge blow to an already shaky secondary.

#Eagles coach Doug Pederson announces that standout CB Ronald Darby tore his ACL and is out for the season. That one hurts.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

This got ugly in a hurry.

Probably somewhere in between the offseason dynasty talk and the current we suck talk.

But we had more fun winning our SB...

We need to apologize to NE and take back everything we said about them. 

 

[Deamon]

This got ugly in a hurry.

Probably somewhere in between the offseason dynasty talk and the current we suck talk.

There wasn't any offseason dynasty talk.  Most thought we'd win the division though. 

What makes all this so hard to swallow is how close these losses are.  Every single one of our losses came down to the last play of the game.  These have been absolute heartbreakers.  We even go 2-3 in those 5 games that are down to the wire and we're practically running away with the division.

I just wish we'd get blown out by a better team and we could say "ya they're better, we shouldn't have won that game".  Would be much easier to swallow.  That'll likely happen next week though.

 

[Deamon]

Just saw this on the twitters. Sucks - one of the better IDP DBs for FFB purposes, and a huge blow to an already shaky secondary.

Was already posted in here. 

But ya, huge loss.  Darby was the one CB I actually really liked on this team.

 

[Angry spiders]

Pretty bad hangover for philly...u guys will be back strong next year

 

[Bigboy10182000]

What makes all this so hard to swallow is how close these losses are.

The flip side is that we are literally 3 plays away from having one win against the Giants. In 3 of our 4 wins the opponent was knocking on the door for the win and had multiple shots. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Pretty bad hangover for philly...u guys will be back strong next year

I do agree with this. There’s far too much talent but when talent doesn’t work hard you get results like these. 

 

[Deamon]

The flip side is that we are literally 3 plays away from having one win against the Giants. In 3 of our 4 wins the opponent was knocking on the door for the win and had multiple shots. 

I understand that, but as a whole, the bounces haven't worked out our way at all.  For the whole season we have more yards than our opponents, more 1st downs, more rushing yards, more passing yards, more touchdowns, etc.  This is not a 4-5 (likely 4-6) team.  We are -6 in the turnover department. We have a pick 6 go through our hands that likely wins the game at the start. 

We were 4th in Turnover differential last season at +11.  This year we are 25th, and are -6.  THAT is the difference in all those close games.  Even if we were the NFL average on turnover differential this year then we're 6-3 at worst.  Tough to swallow that.

 

[Insein]

There wasn't any offseason dynasty talk.  Most thought we'd win the division though. 

What makes all this so hard to swallow is how close these losses are.  Every single one of our losses came down to the last play of the game.  These have been absolute heartbreakers.  We even go 2-3 in those 5 games that are down to the wire and we're practically running away with the division.

I just wish we'd get blown out by a better team and we could say "ya they're better, we shouldn't have won that game".  Would be much easier to swallow.  That'll likely happen next week though.

Well then next week should be a Brees for you.

 

[Deamon]

Well then next week should be a Brees for you.

Yep.  Am fine if a better team beats us.

Opening line is set at only -7 surprisingly. 

 

[Interseptopus]

There wasn't any offseason dynasty talk.  Most thought we'd win the division though. 

What makes all this so hard to swallow is how close these losses are.  Every single one of our losses came down to the last play of the game.  These have been absolute heartbreakers.  We even go 2-3 in those 5 games that are down to the wire and we're practically running away with the division.

I just wish we'd get blown out by a better team and we could say "ya they're better, we shouldn't have won that game".  Would be much easier to swallow.  That'll likely happen next week though.

Could have fooled me. There was a lot of over-reaction by Philly fans for their brief stint of complete success (which is what most Super Bowl Champs enjoy- a brief stint). Maybe not here but it was present in other threads. Especially divisional rivals... 

Kind of crazy... IMO Philly didn't get worse from last season. I just think the chips fell perfect for the Eagles in 2017. They're a good team and when things start to click, a good team can turn into a great team in a hurry. 

Just goes to show how much we should all enjoy the success our teams have, because before we know it you're the Seattle Seahawks and clinging to any kind of relevancy you can. 

I see no reason why Philly can't be contending next year. A lot of pieces are in place for continued success. I certainly like them more than any other team in the division for current outlook and future. 

 

[babydemon90]

Yep.  Am fine if a better team beats us.

Opening line is set at only -7 surprisingly. 

wow.  thats easy $$.

 

[Deamon]

Could have fooled me. There was a lot of over-reaction by Philly fans for their brief stint of complete success (which is what most Super Bowl Champs enjoy- a brief stint). Maybe not here but it was present in other threads. Especially divisional rivals... 

Kind of crazy... IMO Philly didn't get worse from last season. I just think the chips fell perfect for the Eagles in 2017. They're a good team and when things start to click, a good team can turn into a great team in a hurry. 

Just goes to show how much we should all enjoy the success our teams have, because before we know it you're the Seattle Seahawks and clinging to any kind of relevancy you can. 

I see no reason why Philly can't be contending next year. A lot of pieces are in place for continued success. I certainly like them more than any other team in the division for current outlook and future. 

Again, I'll need to see examples.  We thought (as did Vegas, and most people) that we would win the division and be a contender in the NFC this year.  I really think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who considered this a dynasty in any thread here.

The chips definitely fell perfectly for us last year, agreed.  And they are falling perfectly against us this year it seems.  The NFL is cruel in how one tiny bounce can totally change a game.  We easily could have been ousted by Atlanta last year if they made one fairly routine catch.  And also easily could be 6-3 this year with a couple 4th an longs against us that go unconverted. 

 

 

[Deamon]

wow.  thats easy $$.

Ya I'm sure this line will move up to around 9 by kickoff. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Again, I'll need to see examples.  We thought (as did Vegas, and most people) that we would win the division and be a contender in the NFC this year.  I really think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who considered this a dynasty in any thread here.

The chips definitely fell perfectly for us last year, agreed.  And they are falling perfectly against us this year it seems.  The NFL is cruel in how one tiny bounce can totally change a game.  We easily could have been ousted by Atlanta last year if they made one fairly routine catch.  And also easily could be 6-3 this year with a couple 4th an longs against us that go unconverted. 

 

I agree, I had Philly pegged to win the division. It's bizarre to think that they won't win the division and are basically out of the playoffs. 

Regarding the dynasty talk, maybe the term "dynasty" wasn't used, but definitely discussing repeating as one of the top in the NFC. 

You're right though, the chips fell perfectly against the Eagles. I remember plenty of seasons like this with my home team where it seemed every week was a loss by 1 score and it was just in reach and either a fumble, missed FG, botched kick return, or a blown call was the ultimate deciding factor. 

A lot of really good teams are going to be out of the playoffs in the NFC this year. It's crazy

 

[GoBirds]

I do agree with this. There’s far too much talent but when talent doesn’t work hard you get results like these. 

Agreed, they need this big kick in the nuts to come back hungry. This offseason was apparently a party.....and I guess deservedly so with bringing a SB to Philly against the GOAT. 

 

[Deamon]

I agree, I had Philly pegged to win the division. It's bizarre to think that they won't win the division and are basically out of the playoffs. 

Regarding the dynasty talk, maybe the term "dynasty" wasn't used, but definitely discussing repeating as one of the top in the NFC. 

Pretty much the same thing here.  If you thought they were a lock to win the div, you probably thought they were one of the top NFC teams.  The Rams and Saints have surpassed all expectations and are both incredible teams right now.  We are definitely not in their league. 

Call me crazy but I still think we're as good of a team as Panthers, Redskins (and maybe the Bears) who currently are all tied for the 3rd best record in the NFC.  The NFC is a clear 2 horse race.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

This year we are 25th, and are -6.  THAT is the difference in all those close games. 

That doesn’t tell the whole story though. What had us 4th last year was a combination of things that aren’t there this year. We are 21st in scoring AKA .2 PPG better than the Browns and 1.2 ahead of the Jets. We were able to sustain long scoring drives with a good run/pass mix and that seems to be gone. The turnovers on offense are way up as well

As for the defense, Swartz’s scheme is most effective when playing with a nice lead AND getting pressure. The pressure just vanishes for ridiculously long stretches. Teams are keeping us off balance and the big plays are frequent. Even when we get a chance to make a play we drop it or screw it up with piss poor tackling. 

In short, It seems like fools gold to say we “could be” 6-3 when it seems like our wins are in spite of how we’ve been playing. We have only truly deserved one win. The 3 others even felt like loses. The kind of wins you take but not the ones you rely on. For us to get wins we have to hope we play like crap but the opponents play worse. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Agreed, they need this big kick in the nuts to come back hungry. This offseason was apparently a party.....and I guess deservedly so with bringing a SB to Philly against the GOAT. 

Admittedly I never knew what a SB hangover really was but I do now. And I wish we wouldn’t have had so much fun and been more boring like NE. This year will be humbling but I’d expect a huge turn around next year. 

 

[DJackson10]

This is gonna sound a little like a D-Jax story (I love ya buddy so no offense LOL!) but a friend of mine happened to talk to Micheal Barkan at a restaurant for about 25 minutes. Said he was a real good and gracious guy. I haven't always agreed with Barkan but in any case, he was very candid and blames Doug for all of this. Said the losses of Flip and Reich are huge and that he's not the brightest guy in the world. I kinda have a hard time swallowing all of that but that was the report. My friend said Barkan was emphatic that Doug is in over his head. I still don't want to believe that the losses of those two coaches could be so huge but it did happen to Andy eventually although it took much longer. If it really is true and this is the real version of Doug, we are in very very big trouble because you have to think based on the super bowl, Lurie is going to give him A LOT of slack. And Lurie does that anyway. 

No offense. I've met MB before at the auto show. He's a great guy and my best friend from HS and his Dad work video for weddings and have done some big names (Did Jason Kelce's Wedding this year), and my friend moved into MB's old house back in 04-05 or so when he lived in Newtown Square. So your buddy isn't wrong in that department. Im not the biggest MB fan as I think the guy is a bit too much of a homer and seems more like the network cheerleader for the 4 major teams then a journalist. I have never really talked a decent amount of sports with the guy though just a hey what's up how are you thing. I think the loses of the coaches are bigger then what people think but I wouldn't go the whole Lombardi in over his head his. Just based from what I've heard from my co workers son on the team and maybe @Deamon has heard this from his possible, but Doug is really praised by the coaches and doesn't use a my way or the highway approach. I posted this Athletic Article a few months ago I think in the Wentz fantasy player thread and here how Doug Pederson's offense is the hybrid offense Andy had been trying to implement here and for his career for ages but never had all the right pieces and the players needed were before their time. You saw Andy start implementing more hybrid when Vick was here and then in KC with the Chiefs. Brad Childress was looking at QBs who could perfect the offense and the only one he saw that could perfect it was Wentz. Doug took a lot of that and implemented it here and got the guys who could fit the offense. Doug also started the going for it on 4th trend that starts to make more sense and not something you just did in Madden all the time as well as going for 2. 

I think the loss of the coaches hurt but I think that is just part of it. We have key guys on IR and our drafting needs to be better along with FA pick ups. And Schwartz needs to learn to be aggressive on Defense. We're got really use to seeing DC's like Buddy and JJ and kind have taken them for granted I think. Our Cap situation wasn't great before Doug got here either thanks to Chip spending like a drunken sailor and to his credit Howie has fixed a lot of it but still has a long way to go. When my co workers son got to that building she said that most of the coaches coming in with Doug and Roseman were in the "Man I'd be shocked if we are good with in the next 4 yrs of this because this is a ####show we are walking into." He said from the coaches he talked too this was the worst situation any of them had seen in a long time during their career. It was so bad the players who were still on the team who hated Chip plus the coaches who stayed looked like they went through hell and back. Literally thankful a change was made and many of them found their pep in their step back. We won it all last year yes but not even the coaches and personal thought it was possible that fast. A lot of things went our way last year. I mean our back up QB won us a SB, we survived Julio Jones targets in the EZ with Jalen Mills covering him and we won the SB despite Tom Brady throwing for 450 plus yards on us and not to mention all the key injuries we had. We were bound to lose a little this year with teams adjusting to us. Now it's time for the guys there to step up and for us to adjust back. It just goes to show you how incredible last season was. I don't think some of the fans and media who don't know anyone on the inside really knows what these guys have gone through the last few yrs. Like I said the people in that building looked like they had just been liberated from some horrible dictator. 

 

[Insein]

Yep.  Am fine if a better team beats us.

Opening line is set at only -7 surprisingly. 

Jump all over that for New Orleans.

 

[Interseptopus]

Pretty much the same thing here.  If you thought they were a lock to win the div, you probably thought they were one of the top NFC teams.  The Rams and Saints have surpassed all expectations and are both incredible teams right now.  We are definitely not in their league. 

Call me crazy but I still think we're as good of a team as Panthers, Redskins (and maybe the Bears) who currently are all tied for the 3rd best record in the NFC.  The NFC is a clear 2 horse race.

I'd put Philly in the 2nd tier in the NFC, but that tier is quite crowded: Chicago, Minnesota, Philly, Carolina, Washington. Maybe GB but that's the homer in me coming out. They haven't looked real good this year but lost a few games they should have won- one or two on boneheaded decisions. 

 

[Insein]

Think of how many dropped INTs there were this year that would have secured a win or completely changed the course of a game? Last night if Grugier-Hill catches that pass it's a pick 6 and the cowboys are reeling. Instead he drops it and we're down 13-3 at half.

 

[Deamon]

That doesn’t tell the whole story though. What had us 4th last year was a combination of things that aren’t there this year. We are 21st in scoring AKA .2 PPG better than the Browns and 1.2 ahead of the Jets. We were able to sustain long scoring drives with a good run/pass mix and that seems to be gone. The turnovers on offense are way up as well

As for the defense, Swartz’s scheme is most effective when playing with a nice lead AND getting pressure. The pressure just vanishes for ridiculously long stretches. Teams are keeping us off balance and the big plays are frequent. Even when we get a chance to make a play we drop it or screw it up with piss poor tackling. 

In short, It seems like fools gold to say we “could be” 6-3 when it seems like our wins are in spite of how we’ve been playing. We have only truly deserved one win. The 3 others even felt like loses. The kind of wins you take but not the ones you rely on. For us to get wins we have to hope we play like crap but the opponents play worse. 

I fully agree that our offense isn't as good as it was last year.  Not saying that we are a super bowl team even if bounces or turnovers went our way.  Saying we are much better than a 4-6 team if they had though.  It seems like we are moving the ball fairly well this year, then suddenly turn the ball over. 

Schwartz is a ton to blame for the defense I think too.  Why does he suddenly get conservative in 2nd halves of games?  He calls games scared to lose.... which is the opposite of what made us so good last year. 

Our 4th quarters have been abysmal this year. 

 

[Deamon]

I'd put Philly in the 2nd tier in the NFC, but that tier is quite crowded: Chicago, Minnesota, Philly, Carolina, Washington. Maybe GB but that's the homer in me coming out. They haven't looked real good this year but lost a few games they should have won- one or two on boneheaded decisions. 

Fully agree.  I just mean at the start of the season, the vast majority of people, as well as Vegas, put it as Philly, LA, and Minny as the clear tops in the NFC.  I don't think it was wrong of them to think that way or do that, but things obviously change throughout the year. 

I think I'd put Minny and GB as the top of that 2nd tier though. 

 

[babydemon90]

Again, I'll need to see examples.  We thought (as did Vegas, and most people) that we would win the division and be a contender in the NFC this year.  I really think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who considered this a dynasty in any thread here.

The chips definitely fell perfectly for us last year, agreed.  And they are falling perfectly against us this year it seems.  The NFL is cruel in how one tiny bounce can totally change a game.  We easily could have been ousted by Atlanta last year if they made one fairly routine catch.  And also easily could be 6-3 this year with a couple 4th an longs against us that go unconverted. 

 

From last year:

- Losing Ajayi hurt.  Corey Clement we thought would take a step up - but is barely on the field, and is bad when he is (averaging 3.3 YPC).  Smallwood has been bad too - had a few semi- decent game early, but is typically right around 3 YPC.  RPO doesn't work when no one cares if we run the ball. Josh Adams has potential, but with only 2 dozen carries total, way to know if he can or if it would help if given more.

- Agholar is averaging 2.5 YPC less  from last year.

- 4 INT's is 27th in the league.  The raiders have more then us.  Pass defense other then isn't "bad", but isn't good either.  Just average.

- Rush defense much worse then last year (4.7 YPA so far, vs 3.8, almost a full yard more)

There isn't any area we are "GOOD" at.  In just about every measurable we are "average".  Passing, rushing, defense, etc.  We're average - so yea, a 4-5 record seems about right.

 

[Deamon]

Think of how many dropped INTs there were this year that would have secured a win or completely changed the course of a game? Last night if Grugier-Hill catches that pass it's a pick 6 and the cowboys are reeling. Instead he drops it and we're down 13-3 at half.

We win that game if he catches that ball.  It's a frustrating league sometimes when an inch can totally change the entire game.

 

[Insein]

We win that game if he catches that ball.  It's a frustrating league sometimes when an inch can totally change the entire game.

Or the INT in the Tennessee game. I'm pretty sure there was one in the Panther game too. That's not even bringing up the poorly times penalties and terrible tackling. Defense this year is so undisciplined.

 

[DJackson10]

I prescribe to the Mikey Miss theory of the ebbs and flows of the game.  Normally I would say the Eagles are going to win next week (because they’re coming off a low and Saints are coming off a high).  And I don’t think the talent gap between the two teams is that great (although now it may be with all the injuries).  But it really sucks that game is on the road.  

I'm not sure why anyone would listen to that clown. I've heard so many horror stories about the guy. One of my friends did a Internship at WIP to graduate and he was interning with Big Daddy. After meeting Howard Eskin I kind of changed my overall opinion on Howard but there seemed to be a lot of people who had worked for Miss who hated the guy. I was on an old forum for baseball when Mikey M wrote an article for the Inky (Not sure if he does) but he made some mistakes easily fixed going to The Cots Contract MLB website when the Phillies extended him. He also made claims about talking to Cole Hamels agent about an extensions. One of the guys there wrote for a local blog site and mentioned to Miss in a nice email he got a few things wrong and here's the right info. No biggie right as these things happen from time to time. Nope Miss went off on him calling him a wannabe blogger f** among a lot of other things in an incoherent emails. This poster who I knew also had written about Hamels agent never saying anything to Mikey Miss. Hamel's agent called him and said he was right and Miss would be the last guy he would give an exclusive to in this city and mentioned how people he talks too in the agent world and media for other sports think the dude is a joke. The guy wrote an email attaching the email exchanged he had to Mikey's bosses who gave him the typical company PR lines. Nothing was done about it. This was before Miss's tweets making fun of Victor Cruz blowing out his knee in the EZ. The dude is just a wannabe Howard E. I didn't even get into the stuff Tony Bruno has gone after him and his former employees at that station either. Bruno went on a huge rant about both stations a year ago expose some god honest truths. Either way thats my Mikey Miss rant for today 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Schwartz is a ton to blame for the defense I think too.  Why does he suddenly get conservative in 2nd halves of games?  He calls games scared to lose.... which is the opposite of what made us so good last year. 

Our 4th quarters have been abysmal this year. 

No way you can be aggressive with your top 4 DB’s (Mills, Jones, Darby and McCloud) all out.

Scheme wise it’s the same as he’s ever ran but it is dependent on playing with a lead. You can actually see our DL gased at the end of games and it was like that very early in the season.

Or the INT in the Tennessee game. I'm pretty sure there was one in the Panther game too. That's not even bringing up the poorly times penalties and terrible tackling. Defense this year is so undisciplined.

Everyone is playing undisciplined on both sides and my just a little bit either. 

 

[DJackson10]

Against Michael Thomas. Thank God I own him in fantasy. He's going to have like 25 catches.

I got Ben Watson on my team trying to replace Gronk. At least if we get Blown out Watson better get me some points 

 

[Deamon]

From last year:

- Losing Ajayi hurt.  Corey Clement we thought would take a step up - but is barely on the field, and is bad when he is (averaging 3.3 YPC).  Smallwood has been bad too - had a few semi- decent game early, but is typically right around 3 YPC.  RPO doesn't work when no one cares if we run the ball. Josh Adams has potential, but with only 2 dozen carries total, way to know if he can or if it would help if given more.

- Agholar is averaging 2.5 YPC less  from last year.

- 4 INT's is 27th in the league.  The raiders have more then us.  Pass defense other then isn't "bad", but isn't good either.  Just average.

- Rush defense much worse then last year (4.7 YPA so far, vs 3.8, almost a full yard more)

There isn't any area we are "GOOD" at.  In just about every measurable we are "average".  Passing, rushing, defense, etc.  We're average - so yea, a 4-5 record seems about right.

Agreed on RB's.  We need someone better badly.  Maybe we take a look at Ingram this offseason.  Otherwise, it's time to draft one maybe with one of our 2nd rounders.

As for Rushing Defense, we had the #2 Rushing Defense in the NFL coming into this week.  I would say that's much better than average.  Passing defense is absolutely awful.  Combination of poor play calling by Schwartz, devastating injuries (we've now lost 4 of our top 5 DBs), and just not being good back there.

Probably 75% of the time 4th and longs don't get converted.  Against ANY team.  Those Titans and Panthers ones sting so much.

 

[Deamon]

Just based from what I've heard from my co workers son on the team and maybe @Deamon has heard this from his possible, but Doug is really praised by the coaches and doesn't use a my way or the highway approach.

Only read one line of this post because it was highlighted.  But I haven't really heard anything.  It's mainly only the defensive side that I hear things about.

 

[DJackson10]

Darby done for the season with a torn ACL per Doug's presser.  ####.

That's bad for a few reasons. One was the team not planning on signing Darby after the year hoping he got a big pay day = Better comp picked? Who we starting in the secondary now? Maybe this allows us to resign Darby on a cheap prove it contract is the only good thing about this. 

 

[DJackson10]

Think the div winner MIGHT have a shot at winning the first week as they'd likely be hosting Carolina, Green Bay, or Minny.  I think all 3 of those teams are beatable at home.  As for round 2, there's absolutely ZERO chance our div winner is going on the road and beating the saints or rams.  None.

I'll take my Chances going to LA Vs the Rams. We already know for us that wouldn't be a road game so the fan and home field goes out the window there. If the Eagles can get going on offense and score like they are capable of we might have to hope our offense keeps us in the game and the D makes one or two stops at best 

 

[Deamon]

I'll take my Chances going to LA Vs the Rams. We already know for us that wouldn't be a road game so the fan and home field goes out the window there. If the Eagles can get going on offense and score like they are capable of we might have to hope our offense keeps us in the game and the D makes one or two stops at best 

I don't see it.  The Rams are on a mission this year, I think it's quite unlikely that they're one and done in the playoffs.

 

[DJackson10]

But we had more fun winning our SB...

We need to apologize to NE and take back everything we said about them. 

F those arrogant fans and organization. So sick and tired of they are the gold standard. SO happy we beat them. One a co worker of mine is one of the worst type of NE fans. Only a fan because of Brady being good looking. I have cousins in that area one my second cousin her mom is an Eagles fan from growing up here but Husband is from Boston and My Cousin who grew up here and works for Lockhead Martin lived 5 minutes away from Gillete before having to move. Said they were the most arrogant people he ever met in sports. Mind you my cousin isn't a huge diehard like his brother and I but it's very hard to annoy him which says something. Then John Clark tweeted a pic of these Boston fans at the WS parade kids maybe no more then 15-17yrs old looking like a bunch of d-bags holding a sign of how many titles sports wise they've seen. I can't stand that city sports wise. I'm kind of glad we don't win our titles so close together because I feel the fans and organizations loose the humbleness of everything 

 

[modogg]

wow.  thats easy $$.

 should be, but so was Philly -6.5 this week against Dallas on a shorter week at home

 

[DJackson10]

Could have fooled me. There was a lot of over-reaction by Philly fans for their brief stint of complete success (which is what most Super Bowl Champs enjoy- a brief stint). Maybe not here but it was present in other threads. Especially divisional rivals... 

Kind of crazy... IMO Philly didn't get worse from last season. I just think the chips fell perfect for the Eagles in 2017. They're a good team and when things start to click, a good team can turn into a great team in a hurry. 

Just goes to show how much we should all enjoy the success our teams have, because before we know it you're the Seattle Seahawks and clinging to any kind of relevancy you can. 

I see no reason why Philly can't be contending next year. A lot of pieces are in place for continued success. I certainly like them more than any other team in the division for current outlook and future. 

Can we see examples? I saw no such thing at least around here. A few social media but I can guarantee you 98% of those people are bandwagon fans. Everyone here thought we could win the division based on how the other teams looked. No one was saying reaching another SB was gonna be easy with The Rams and NO and maybe Minny. 

 

[DJackson10]

Think of how many dropped INTs there were this year that would have secured a win or completely changed the course of a game? Last night if Grugier-Hill catches that pass it's a pick 6 and the cowboys are reeling. Instead he drops it and we're down 13-3 at half.

Or we let two teams comeback and win. Easily could be 6-3 and right now despite the holes and injuries. We make those two key stops against Car/Tenn and we are talking differently. 

 

[modogg]

Fair Weather Fan -  A fan of a sports team who only shows support when the team is doing well. 

a fair weather fan wouldn't be in this thread posting right now. The loss hurts and it hurts more because the reality of this team sits in. Blowing 2 17-point leads in 2nd halves can be somewhat flukey, but this game they had 2 weeks to prepare and they failed miserably. a lot to point to. 

but no, a fair weather fan would looking at other winning teams or would have been out of here awhile ago. Look at other team threads. When teams lose, they are ghost towns. When Eagles lose, this one goes multiple pages. Look at the Cowboys thread today, it is all rainbows and unicorns over there. if they lose, i am guessing it is a ghost town