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[Wingnut]

https://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/2181-rapid-reaction-49ers-9-0-victory-over-redskins/

Forget what you saw in the first half. Forget the interception. The 49ers won today largely due to Jimmy Garoppolo making enough plays in the second half.

The 49ers had a good game overall on the ground, gaining 137 yards, but there were a number of third down plays that were converted through the air. That is why Jimmy Garoppolo has a 12-2 record as a 49ers quarterback and a 14-2 overall record.

Make no mistake. This was another game that the 49ers probably find a way to lose last year or even the last five years. That is due to the poor overall play by every quarterback the Niners have had since 2014. Jimmy Garoppolo may not have the pretty stats every week, but he does enough to win the game. The stats will come.

 

[SF409ers]

Not sure that our receivers are the real problem. I'd give Garoppolo some slack because he is coming back from  last years injury, but he has not looked good yet this year. When he becomes more than a game manager, the young receivers should start looking better imo.

Ignorant take. The game manager thing is garbage. He's doing what he's been asked. When you have a defense and running game like they have that's what you do. A lot of bad drops/int's on the WR's and TD's called back compared to his errant throws every now and then. Still less than a year as a starter. When needed he's stepped up every time. Game winner over Steelers, converting key 3rd downs, etc. We have a lot of dumb fans unfortunately. This game manager take is part of that. His WR's are mediocre to garbage at best. Other than Kittle they all have their issues and I'm not sure many would start on other teams. Pettis and Goodwin are marshmallows, Deebo is a rookie who probably has the most promise. Bourne and James make plays from time to time but are inconsistent and not #1/2 WR's. What a completely dumb take. 

 

[SF409ers]

Well that was ugly and sloppy, but another W in the win column. Id rather have an ugly game today than next week against the Panthers who are coming off a bye and riding a 4 game win streak.

That was as wet as Ive ever seen a field today. For a while I thought the final score might be 3-0, lol. Loved Bosa's slip and slide sack celebration to seal the game

Also, Julian Taylor had a couple of nice plays today, I dont remember seeing him play at all this season before today.

Yep. A win is a win. It's a young team learning how to win in different ways every week. Coming out of this with a victory and no serious injuries is all you can ask for under those awful conditions. Anyone making negative judgments on how they played in a game like this is just showing their ignorance. 

 

[mcd]

Ignorant take. The game manager thing is garbage. He's doing what he's been asked. When you have a defense and running game like they have that's what you do. A lot of bad drops/int's on the WR's and TD's called back compared to his errant throws every now and then. Still less than a year as a starter. When needed he's stepped up every time. Game winner over Steelers, converting key 3rd downs, etc. We have a lot of dumb fans unfortunately. This game manager take is part of that. His WR's are mediocre to garbage at best. Other than Kittle they all have their issues and I'm not sure many would start on other teams. Pettis and Goodwin are marshmallows, Deebo is a rookie who probably has the most promise. Bourne and James make plays from time to time but are inconsistent and not #1/2 WR's. What a completely dumb take. 

Lol, not trying to make this personal but Garoppolo has been the epitome of game manager so far this year. They've played a cake walk schedule and have won with defense and the running game. If Garoppolo doesn't round into shape for the second half of this season it's going to be a short run in the playoffs. The stats show 6 passes dropped by the WRs for the season, if you want to use that as an excuse for Garoppolo's play, knock yourself out. Sure if you want to give the Bengals a first or more for AJ Green, he'll help (although he is a marshmellow that can't stay healthy), Sanders for a 2nd? (another marshmellow), Sanu, Gabriel or Parker (no thanks). Yeah, we do have a lot of dumb fans.

 

[thecatch]

Not sure that our receivers are the real problem. I'd give Garoppolo some slack because he is coming back from  last years injury, but he has not looked good yet this year. When he becomes more than a game manager, the young receivers should start looking better imo.

I don’t know enough to know whether it’s the WR or QB that is the issue, but they will need to consistently pass to someone other than Kittle at some point. 

 

[thecatch]

Really thought they might lose today; playing in a lake really neutralized the talent difference for the most part. Tough to take anything away from that one because of the conditions. Though it wasn’t great that another team was able to come out and run it down their throats to start the game. 

 

[Wingnut]

Really thought they might lose today; playing in a lake really neutralized the talent difference for the most part. Tough to take anything away from that one because of the conditions. Though it wasn’t great that another team was able to come out and run it down their throats to start the game. 

I'm betting that's how most teams start out against us from here on out...the question is which team is gonna try to stick with that and try to beat us with mostly runs and very little passing? Someone's gotta try it at some point.

The thing about this season is we're just finding ways to win. Not even the rash of injuries to key players has knocked us off course. The past few seasons we'd find ways to lose some of these games or flat out give them away at the end...and finding ways to win is what great teams do. Let's hope we can keep it going next week at home against a good Carolina team who's on a roll.

 

[Scoresman]

I'm betting that's how most teams start out against us from here on out...the question is which team is gonna try to stick with that and try to beat us with mostly runs and very little passing? Someone's gotta try it at some point.

The thing about this season is we're just finding ways to win. Not even the rash of injuries to key players has knocked us off course. The past few seasons we'd find ways to lose some of these games or flat out give them away at the end...and finding ways to win is what great teams do. Let's hope we can keep it going next week at home against a good Carolina team who's on a roll.

Well, the team with the arguably best RB in the league is coming to town next week....

 

[Wingnut]

https://www.ninersnation.com/2019/10/21/20924900/pff-grades-and-snap-counts-from-the-49ers-victory-over-washington

The San Francisco 49ers beat Washington 9-0 in a game that felt like a three-score afternoon. Here are the snap counts on both sides of the ball, along with the five highest and lowest PFF grades for the 49ers.

Offense-64 snaps

QB - Jimmy Garoppolo: 64

RB - Tevin Coleman: 42

Matt Breida: 17

Jeff Wilson Jr.: 8

WR - Dante Pettis: 59

Kendrick Bourne: 57

Richie James Jr.: 32

Marquise Goodwin: 7

Jordan Matthews: 3

TE - George Kittle: 61

Ross Dwelley: 24

Levine Toilolo: 10

It felt like for the first time all season, an offensive lineman for the 49ers didn’t miss a snap. Each starter played all 64 snaps.

Goodwin was being evaluated for a head injury and left the game. He did return but only finished with seven snaps. Breida confirmed after the game that he was okay after Breida was poked in the eye on Sunday.

Top five PFF grades

Jeff Wilson Jr. 83.2

Justin Skule 72.6

George Kittle 71.3

Laken Tomlinson 70.7

Jimmy Garoppolo 70.4

Wilson was credited for 13 of his 20 yards after contact and avoided one tackle. I imagine his grade would have been much different had his fumble counted. It’s always nice to see your linemen make this list. It’ll be a shock if Kittle ever doesn’t make this list. Jimmy G making it may catch fans off guard as he completed 57% of his passes in the slop fest. Garoppolo’s grade was 88.5 under pressure, where he went 3-4 for 21 yards, and each of those completions went for first downs. I mentioned Garoppolo’s mobility. Two of those came where he had to make something happen and buy time with his legs.

Five worst graded Niners on offense

Dwelley 60.4

Brunskill 59.6

Matthews 57.5

Goodwin 56.8

Pettis 50.3

Goodwin had a drop. There were a few times during the first half where Garoppolo had to scramble as none of the wide receivers could shake free. Some of that could be chalked up to poor footing. It looked like players were walking on eggshells to cut.

Defense-45 snaps

DeForest Buckner - DT: 40

Nick Bosa - DE: 38

Arik Armstead - DE: 37

Solomon Thomas - DT: 19

Dee Ford - DE: 15

Sheldon Day - DT: 14

Ronald Blair III - DE: 12

Julian Taylor: 6

Fred Warner - LB: 45

Kwon Alexander - LB: 45

Dre Greenlaw - LB: 14

Emmanuel Moseley - CB: 45

Richard Sherman - CB: 45

K’Waun Williams - CB: 30

Jaquiski Tartt - S: 45

Jimmie Ward - S: 45

Jimmie Ward has played 100% of the snaps in three consecutive games for just the second time in his career. The only other time he did, it was in 2017 when he played all the snaps from Weeks 3 thru 7.

Tough to tell how much of Ford’s snap counts were injury-related or Washington related. If a team isn’t going to throw the ball, especially in a hurricane, there’s no reason for Ford to play a ton of snaps. That’s an excellent job by Robert Saleh reading the situation. Having depth along the defensive line helps and having Arik Armstead as Ford’s replacement is a luxury.

Top five PFF grades

Armstead 89.5

Blair III 84.1

Williams 75.3

Taylor 71.0

Alexander 70.5

Alexander bounced back nicely after struggling mightily a week ago. Despite the conditions, Alexander’s speed showed up against Washington. Alexander forced a fumble and also recorded three stops.

Armstead’s career year continues as he also had three stops and recorded a sack. That sack gives Arik a new career-high.

Taylor played six snaps, but he had the big stop in the second quarter to stop a Washington drive.

Five worst graded Niners on defense

Greenlaw 56.4

Ford 54.3

Thomas 52.2

Warner 48.9

Tartt 47.3

Greenlaw plays a position in base defense that isn’t going to allow him to make many plays. He does the dirty work.

Warner had a tackling grade of 28.5, but only missed one tackle. As you can imagine, other players that missed a tackle had higher tackling grades. How does that work? I’ll keep an eye on some of these performances once I rewatch the game.

 

[Wingnut]

David Lombardi
@LombardiHimself

Top PFF overall grades for NFL defensive linemen:

1. Aaron Donald — 92.3
2. Calais Campbell — 91.2
3. Khalil Mack — 90.7
T4. D.J. Reader — 90.4
T4. Kyle Van Noy — 90.4
T6. Arik Armstead — 90.3
T6. Dee Ford — 90.3

So 49ers have 2 of the top 6 and that doesn’t include Nick Bosa, who also has a very good overall grade (82.9), which is identical to Joey Bosa’s grade. In more limited snaps, Ronald Blair is an 86.9… DeForest Buckner is at a good 73.7, but almost lost in a 49ers DL crowd.

 

[Wingnut]

https://twitter.com/LombardiHimself/status/1186116062829412353

This chart shows Jimmy G in the top 10 in QB efficiency. Im not gonna pretend to understand the EPA formula or what it means, but it shows while hes not putting up stats, hes playing very well, especially on keeping the chains moving on 3rd downs.

https://twitter.com/LombardiHimself/status/1186117544463093760

This chart shows the 49ers as the only team firmly in the right quadrant and not on the edges. Again, no idea what this means but maybe someone here can explain EPA analytics.

 

[efactor]

Really thought they might lose today; playing in a lake really neutralized the talent difference for the most part. Tough to take anything away from that one because of the conditions. Though it wasn’t great that another team was able to come out and run it down their throats to start the game. 

10 points and less than 300 passing yards total given up in the last 3 games.  Not really worried about giving up some yards on the ground on the initial drives in the last two games considering they totally shut both teams down after that. 

 

[Wingnut]

https://dailysnark.com/breaking-broncos-trade-wr-emmanuel-sanders-to-the-49ers/

Emmanuel Sanders to SF for out 3rd and 4th, and we get their 5th.

See we lose our 3rd, and move back a few spots from where we were picking in the 4th.

Right now we only have a 1st and two 5th round picks in the first 5 rounds. With all the WRs we will have at the end of the year, maybe we package one in a trade and get a 3rd round pick back.

Im ok with this trade, and I read that Sanders will play this week vs the #7 passing defense of Carolina.

LETS GOOOOOOO!

 

[thecatch]

I’m conflicted. On one hand, they have a window, and they should do everything they can to run through it right now. On the other hand, Lynch keeps having to overpay to correct mistakes early in the draft. Despite the team’s success this year I’m still not sold on him as a personnel guy. 
 

that’s more an offseason issue though. For now, hopefully Sanders is 100% healthy and can step in and figure out enough of the playbook to contribute right away. 

 

[Wingnut]

I’m conflicted. On one hand, they have a window, and they should do everything they can to run through it right now. On the other hand, Lynch keeps having to overpay to correct mistakes early in the draft. Despite the team’s success this year I’m still not sold on him as a personnel guy. 
 

that’s more an offseason issue though. For now, hopefully Sanders is 100% healthy and can step in and figure out enough of the playbook to contribute right away. 

If Hurd is healthy (or Taylor for that matter), we dont make this move. I dont see how thats on Lynch. That said, Im starting to think Pettis was a terrible pick and Im not sure if hes even on the roster next season.

RE the bold: This team looks like it will be a contender for several years, sure we will lose some guys to FA, but Lynch, Peters, and Shanahan have made some great moves. Just about every team has picks that dont pan out. They took over a 2-14 team and have turned it into a playoff caliber team pretty quickly.

 

[Deamon]

Not sure how anyone is too unhappy with this.  Pats just paid a late 2nd for Sanu and you just paid a late 3rd for Sanders.

 

[thecatch]

If Hurd is healthy (or Taylor for that matter), we dont make this move. I dont see how thats on Lynch. That said, Im starting to think Pettis was a terrible pick and Im not sure if hes even on the roster next season.

RE the bold: This team looks like it will be a contender for several years, sure we will lose some guys to FA, but Lynch, Peters, and Shanahan have made some great moves. Just about every team has picks that dont pan out. They took over a 2-14 team and have turned it into a playoff caliber team pretty quickly.

You’re apparently a lot higher on Hurd than I am. 

 

[thecatch]

Not sure how anyone is too unhappy with this.  Pats just paid a late 2nd for Sanu and you just paid a late 3rd for Sanders.

It’s apparently the market price, for sure. Still seems like a lot for a 32 year old 10 months out from an Achilles tear to me in a vacuum, though. 

 

[mcd]

It’s apparently the market price, for sure. Still seems like a lot for a 32 year old 10 months out from an Achilles tear to me in a vacuum, though. 

Plus, Sanu is signed through the 2020 season while Sanders is a free agent after this season. It's tricky to give a soon to be 33 year old WR any type of extension, he's just 7 months younger than Garcon and we all know how well that went. Wouldn't be surprised if it's a 3 month rental in the end.

 

[Wingnut]

Plus, Sanu is signed through the 2020 season while Sanders is a free agent after this season. It's tricky to give a soon to be 33 year old WR any type of extension, he's just 7 months younger than Garcon and we all know how well that went. Wouldn't be surprised if it's a 3 month rental in the end.

I think theyll sign/keep Sanders if all goes well, and will trade/release dead weight at WR. Next year if our WR corps looked like this Id be pretty happy

Deebo, Sanders, Hurd, Taylor,  Bourne (plus James as a KR)

On the flip side, I read that if we let him walk after this season we will get a compensatory pick, maybe a 3rd, which would make us whole again. Even if we got a 4th, it would lessen the blow of the short term rental.

 

[Wingnut]

I think something people are overlooking...Shanahan doesnt sound too sure that Trent Taylor will be back when eligible, and they probably won't know for sure for a couple of weeks...with the trade deadline looming, it was imperitive that they cover that possibility. If Taylor doesn't come back, would anyone here be comfortable with the current WR corps going into the playoffs, or against Green Bay, Baltimore, and New Orleans in a few weeks? I wouldn't.

Sanders gives SF an instant reliable slot receiver, and Shanahans offense is based on the TE/Slot model (ala Gronk/Welker), and Taylor was supposed to be the slot guy...hell, we even hired Welker as a WR coach to help Taylor.

So I think now we will finally see what Shanahan has had in mind as far as the passing game goes. We should see an immediate uptick in Jimmy G's numbers - nothing earth shattering as it will take some time for Sanders to digest the entire playbook and to build chemistry/timing with the QB - but this is the perfect time to add this missing piece and have 10 weeks to play together and build that trust and chemistry so come playoff time, we will be a better and more open offense. Plus we may need to throw more when we play GB, BAL, and NO down the stretch, and Sanders gives Jimmy another sure handed option for those games in case Taylor doesn't come back.

 

[Deamon]

Plus, Sanu is signed through the 2020 season while Sanders is a free agent after this season. It's tricky to give a soon to be 33 year old WR any type of extension, he's just 7 months younger than Garcon and we all know how well that went. Wouldn't be surprised if it's a 3 month rental in the end.

SF was in desperate need of a WR.  Sanu wouldn't have been a splash that took them to the next level.  Sanders possibly can be.  If you even make the NFCC game, it will be worth it to lose a very low 3rd rounder. 

 

[efactor]

Plus, Sanu is signed through the 2020 season while Sanders is a free agent after this season. It's tricky to give a soon to be 33 year old WR any type of extension, he's just 7 months younger than Garcon and we all know how well that went. Wouldn't be surprised if it's a 3 month rental in the end.

When you look at the NFC, there are good teams, but I don't see an elite team, so they are making a move to win this year.  As a fan, I like the move.  I thought he looked healthy in the couple Denver games I have been subjected to on Sunday and Monday night football.  I think he will fill the one void they currently have, a reliable WR.  If either Taylor or Hurd were healthy, they probably don't make this move, but they're not and seems like no solid time line for them coming back.

Even if he is a half season rental, they will get a comp pick for him, so not a huge loss in draft capital.   

It's a move they needed to make to match up with the big boy teams coming up.

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[thecatch]

When you look at the NFC, there are good teams, but I don't see an elite team, so they are making a move to win this year.  As a fan, I like the move.  I thought he looked healthy in the couple Denver games I have been subjected to on Sunday and Monday night football.  I think he will fill the one void they currently have, a reliable WR.  If either Taylor or Hurd were healthy, they probably don't make this move, but they're not and seems like no solid time line for them coming back.

Even if he is a half season rental, they will get a comp pick for him, so not a huge loss in draft capital.   

It's a move they needed to make to match up with the big boy teams coming up.

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The comp pick (a) won’t come until 2021, and (b) depends on the Niners not being very active signing other teams’ players in FA (despite having about $65-70M in space), right?  If that’s what theyre counting on, they better hit on their limited remaining draft picks to replenish their talent base this offseason. 

 

[efactor]

The comp pick (a) won’t come until 2021, and (b) depends on the Niners not being very active signing other teams’ players in FA (despite having about $65-70M in space), right?  If that’s what theyre counting on, they better hit on their limited remaining draft picks to replenish their talent base this offseason. 

I'm aware of when the comp pick is.  They need picks in 2021 too. 

A lot of the money they have in cap space will be used to lock up their own players.  By 2021, I don't anticipate them being big free agent players, but who knows?

Regardless, it's a move to win now.  The sky isn't always falling you know.

 

[thecatch]

I'm aware of when the comp pick is.  They need picks in 2021 too. 

A lot of the money they have in cap space will be used to lock up their own players.  By 2021, I don't anticipate them being big free agent players, but who knows?

Regardless, it's a move to win now.  The sky isn't always falling you know.

It’s worth mentioning that the comp pick may not be the perk that some are assuming (though those were genuine questions, I don’t pretend to know how that system works). Not sure where I said the sky was falling; I’m just not sold on Lynch’s asset management and fear that his shortcomings might undercut their long run success here. Not every move they make is wonderful, either. 

 

[efactor]

It’s worth mentioning that the comp pick may not be the perk that some are assuming (though those were genuine questions, I don’t pretend to know how that system works). Not sure where I said the sky was falling; I’m just not sold on Lynch’s asset management and fear that his shortcomings might undercut their long run success here. Not every move they make is wonderful, either. 

I am aware that mistakes in personnel have been made, but I don't see this move as any potential global killer, like some seem to think it is.  They gave up what should be a late 3rd and then swapped what should be a late 4th for what should be an early 5th.  At most, it's a half round move down on the swap.  It's a win now move and one that they needed to make.  If Sanders resigns with them at a reasonable price, great.  If not, then they should get a decent comp pick in 2021.

With this defense, they have a chance to go deep in the playoffs.  But they are going to need throw the ball more effectively.  Sanders will help at a decent price.

 

[chinawildman]

I'm totally baffled as to how unproductive Goodwin and Pettis have become considering their performances in the 2nd halves of 2017 and 2018 respectively.

 

[Football Jones]

I'm totally baffled as to how unproductive Goodwin and Pettis have become considering their performances in the 2nd halves of 2017 and 2018 respectively.

It could be Jimmy G isn't as good as most people think.

It'll be interesting to see if Sanders can make an impact.

 

[Deamon]

I'm totally baffled as to how unproductive Goodwin and Pettis have become considering their performances in the 2nd halves of 2017 and 2018 respectively.

Ya... I think eventually talent wins out and they're both just not that good.  Plus lots of attention on Kittle right now... I think Sanders opens up the offense quite a bit and they'll be alright.

 

[derek19]

I'm totally baffled as to how unproductive Goodwin and Pettis have become considering their performances in the 2nd halves of 2017 and 2018 respectively.

It could be Jimmy G isn't as good as most people think.

It'll be interesting to see if Sanders can make an impact.

I think its more related to how well the def is playing. Last year they were always playing from behind so they had to throw it. This year its a combination of how well the defense is playing, as well as their ability to establish the run and sticking to it.

In the coming weeks, this could all change though, because they will be playing Seahawks twice, packers, saints, ravens and rams (again). They will probably have to throw the ball more, which could be the reason why they felt the need to trade for Sanders. 

 

[Wingnut]

Nick Bosa's @PFF stat line through six games is ridiculous:

-31 total pressures
-19 QB hurries
-7 QB hits
-5 sacks
-11 total tackles
-9 stops
-1 forced fumble
-82.9 overall grade

-Leads all pass rushers in productivity

 

[Wingnut]

Hurd and Trent Taylor unlikely to play this year,  which is why we had to trade for a WR.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2019/10/23/20929237/49ers-injury-updates-shanahan-not-as-hopeful-for-taylor-and-hurd-to-return#comments

Shanahan said that Trent Taylor, who suffered a broken foot, and Jalen Hurd, who has been dealing with a back injury, both suffered setbacks, and the team isn’t as optimistic as they once were about them coming off injured reserve in a month. Perhaps trading for Emmanuel Sanders could have clued us in on that. The sense of urgency knowing they weren’t getting help, especially in the slot, likely led the 49ers to make a move at the trade deadline.

Shanahan gushed about Sanders. Shanahan wouldn’t commit to how much or where he’d play, but the Niners head coach expects Sanders to be on the field Sunday. Shanahan acknowledged that Sanders could play all three positions. It sounded like Sanders will spend much of his time in the slot.

Shanahan mentioned how he wanted to see how much better they could make this team, and he felt like they did without taking a risk on the 49ers’ future. We touched on Sander’s injury history Wednesday morning. Shanahan said that Sanders looked more healthy on tape this year than he did before his Achilles tear in 2018. That was an interesting tidbit.

More on Sanders from Kyle:

I was a huge fan of him coming out of the draft, and I have been ever since. Pumped he’s here. Emmanuel is a person I’ve wanted the last eight years.

 

[Wingnut]

Kwon Alexander is the 4th highest graded coverage linebacker in the NFL.

1. Jamie Collins - NE 88.5

2. Corey Littleton - LAR  87.3

3. Eric Kendricks - MIN 82.7

4. Kwon Alexander - SF 81.7

5. Seion Jones - ATL 79.8

 

[chinawildman]

Really wish they'd trade away Solomon Thomas to recoup some of those 2020 picks... They can give him away for peanuts for all I care, it'd be an upgrade... Taylor and DJ Jones are both better players.

 

[efactor]

51-13 over a 4-2 team.  Guess they still haven’t played a good team. 
 

 

[Wingnut]

Other than Jimmys INT, I cant remember one bad thing about today...oh, wait, the bad snap on the extra point. Ok, so those 2 things.

Bosa on gonna be DROY and DPOY if he stays healthy. Hes pure joy to watch.

A 50 burger?! Coleman with 4 TDS?! AND Defensive dominance? This was our most complete game of the year, we are rollin'!!!!

 

[chinawildman]

If I had a dime for every time I heard them call him Joey Bosa... reminds me of when we had Al Gore on our team.

 

[efactor]

Other than Jimmys INT, I cant remember one bad thing about today...oh, wait, the bad snap on the extra point. Ok, so those 2 things.

Bosa on gonna be DROY and DPOY if he stays healthy. Hes pure joy to watch.

A 50 burger?! Coleman with 4 TDS?! AND Defensive dominance? This was our most complete game of the year, we are rollin'!!!!

Yeah, not to nitpick, but stop throwing picks Jimmy.  Most of his INTs are short passes he forces into tight coverage. Eventually they will have a close game and it will cost them. 
 

Other than that one issue, outstanding. 

 

[Wingnut]

Yeah, not to nitpick, but stop throwing picks Jimmy.  Most of his INTs are short passes he forces into tight coverage. Eventually they will have a close game and it will cost them. 
 

Other than that one issue, outstanding. 

Yeah hes been in the league a while, but hes a 2nd round QB that only has 17 career starts (and not in a row, but over several years). Im giving him time to have growing pains that all QBs go through.

 

[efactor]

7-0 and there is less chat here than if they were 0-7 

No fan base loves misery more than the 49er fan base lol

 

[derek19]

Yeah, not to nitpick, but stop throwing picks Jimmy.  Most of his INTs are short passes he forces into tight coverage. Eventually they will have a close game and it will cost them. 
 

Other than that one issue, outstanding. 

This is why I am still nervous about Jimmie G. Most of his ints are from him making a bad throw and not from the opposing defense making a good play.

And its still unknown how he will perform if he has to go out there and throw 4tds to win the game. 

 

[Wingnut]

Lets fire up some early tidbits. More to come later today. Here we go!

The 49ers defense has not allowed a touchdown pass since Week 3 vs. Pittsburgh. Over the last four games their passer rating allowed is just 42.2. For comparison, throwing it straight into the ground every time earns you a passer rating of 39.6.

Nick Bosa is on his way to winning Defensive Rookie of the Year, and making a case for Defensive Player of the Year. Lawrence Taylor is the only player to win DPOY in his rookie season back in 1981. Lets look at some of Bosa's impressive numbers:

Yards per dropback, QBs vs. 49ers:

- Jameis Winston: 4.5
- Andy Dalton: 6.3
- Mason Rudolph: 5.5
———BYE———
- Baker Mayfield: 2.8
- Jared Goff: 1.7
- Case Keenum: 3.3
- Kyle Allen: 2.3

Nick Bosa’s ankle got 100% healthy at the bye.

Nick Bosa in the 49ers’ win over the Panthers:

-4 total tackles
-3 sacks for 25 yards
-3 quarterback hits
-3 tackles for loss
-1 pass breakup
-1 interception for 46 yards

Nick Bosa is first #49ers player to have 3+ sacks and interception in same game. Youngest player in #NFL to ever do so. He joined Vikings DE/DT Kevin Williams (12/28/2003) and Panthers DE Julius Peppers (10/13/2002) as the only rookies to have at least three sacks and an interception in a single game since 1982.

Bosa's three sacks were the most by a member of the 49ers since LB Aldon Smith registered 5.5 sacks against Chicago (11/19/12).

Bosa, who celebrated his 22nd birthday on Wednesday, becomes the second-youngest player since sacks became an official statistic in 1982 to notch three-or-more in a game.

Bosa is the sixth player since 1982 to record at least seven sacks through his first seven career games (DE Julius Peppers, 7.0 – 2002; DT Santana Dotson, 7.0 – 1992; LB James Francis, 7.0 – 1990; LB Vernon Maxwell, 7.0 – 1983)

Bosa's seven sacks are the fourth-most by a rookie in franchise history (Aldon Smith 14 in 2011, Charles Haley 12 in 1986, Dana Stubblefield 10.5 1993)

Bosa had a great reaction to Bruce Irvin saying the 49ers are "Ok", and "Not world beaters": https://twitter.com/i/status/1188827200600137736

Did Nick Bosa hear the chants of his name?  Calm nod: “Yeah, I liked it.”

The 49ers dropped 51 points with an 82% completion rate on over 6 yds per carry Sunday, knocking a top-five defense right out of its perch..and now they should start getting healthy.

This is only the 12th time in regular season franchise history that the 49ers have scored 50 or more points. Most recent before today: a 50-14 win over Arizona in 2003. Before that they scored 55 against the Detroit Lions in 1993. The last time San Francisco scored seven-or-more touchdowns in a game was in December of 2003 against the Arizona Cardinals (also seven).

The 49ers five rushing touchdowns were the most by the team since October of 1992 against the Atlanta Falcons (also five).

The 49ers rushed 38 times for 232 yards, for an average of 6.1 yards per rush.

Tevin Coleman had 11 rushes for 105yds (9.55 yds/rush), and scored 4 TDs (19yds, 48yds, 1yd). Also had a 10yd TD reception.

Raheem Mostert had 9 for 60 with a 41 yd TD

RB Tevin Coleman is the first player in franchise history to rush for three touchdowns and haul in a touchdown reception in the same game. His four touchdowns were the most by a Niner since WR Jerry Rice had four against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 1993.

The 49ers had seven sacks against the Panthers and have had three-or-more sacks in four consecutive games. The last 49ers team to accomplish that feat was the 1998 team, which did it from Weeks 2 through 6.

The 49ers defense held the Panthers to 100 net passing yards. This marks the fourth-consecutive game in which the team has held an opponent to 100-or-fewer net passing yards. The last time the San Francisco defense held four consecutive opponents to 100-or-fewer net passing yards was in 1977. That year was also the last time any NFL team held four straight opponents to 100-or-fewer net passing yards, when both the 49ers and Atlanta Falcons did it.

The 49er defense stopped Carolina on two 4th down attempts and Carolina only converted 2 of 13 3rd downs.

Jimmy Garoppolo was 18 for 22 (81.82 completion%), 175yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT,  passer rating of 111.2
 

Mitch Wishnowski has punted 20 times this season. Total return yards by opposing punt returners: 2. Yes, you read that right. TWO YARDS.

 

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7-0 and there is less chat here than if they were 0-7 

No fan base loves misery more than the 49er fan base lol

I wonder if drummer is somewhere still poo-pooing this team and Jed/Kyle/Lynch/Jimmy. It has to drive him nuts that they're suddenly one of the best teams in the NFL

 

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The Arizona Cardinals have traded for running back Kenyan Drake ahead of their Thursday-night matchup against the San Francisco 49ers, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN.

The Cardinals were without starting running back David Johnson on Sunday against the New Orleans Saints and will be without him on Thursday against the 49ers. He suffered an ankle injury during Week 7 against the New York Giants.

Chase Edmonds replaced Johnson against the Giants and rushed for 126 yards on 27 carries with three touchdowns. He injured his hamstring during the third quarter of the Cardinals' Week 8 loss to the Saints after managing just eight yards on seven carries. Coach Kliff Kingsbury told ESPN there's "definitely concern" Edmonds would miss Thursday's game against the 49ers.

The Miami Dolphins made Drake a third-round selection out of Alabama in 2016. He carried the football 47 times for 174 yards with no rushing touchdowns while adding 22 receptions for 174 yards through six games and two starts with the Dolphins this season.

Drake has 1,532 rushing yards on 333 attempts with nine rushing touchdowns through his four NFL seasons.

 

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I wonder if drummer is somewhere still poo-pooing this team and Jed/Kyle/Lynch/Jimmy. It has to drive him nuts that they're suddenly one of the best teams in the NFL

If you get super bored, check out Niner Nation.  You won't have any problem picking out his 3-4 different usernames

His Shick is a little different over there.  He isn't openly hostile towards the team like he was here, but still the underlying feeling that he wants them to fail so he can say "see, I told you".  It's good comic relief.

 

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More things:

2019 49ers vs their Super Bowl winning seasons after 7 games:

Year....W/L....Point diff

1981....5-2....+48
1984....6-1....+58
1988....5-2....+25
1989....6-1....+57
1994....5-2....+62
2019....7-0....+130

George Kittle earned another elite grade with a 92.7 overall grade. He is once again, the highest rated player in the NFL, regardless of position.

HIghest 49er PFF defensive grade week 8: Richard Sherman with an elite 90.9 grade. Allen's passer rating was 16.7 into Sherm's coverage.

Below are the five highest-graded 49ers players on offense against the Panthers.

    George Kittle, TE (92.7)
    Laken Tomlinson, OG (90.4)
    Tevin Coleman, RB (79.0)
    Daniel Brunskill, OT (77.4)
    Mike Person, OG (73.7)

Below are the five highest-graded 49ers players on defense.

    Richard Sherman, CB (90.0)
    Nick Bosa, DE (84.3)
    Solomon Thomas, DL (81.4)
    Emmanuel Moseley, CB (80.7)
    DeForest Buckner, DT (79.9)

Football outsiders' SB Title odds (based on DVOA)
1. Patriots 35.2%
2. 49ers 20.3%
3. Saints 12.6%
4. Chiefs 7.0%
5. Packers 6.4%

Top 3 playoff probability locks:
Patriots 99.99%
49ers 98.2%
Saints 96.5%

PFF pass rush productivtiy (top 5)
1. Nick Bosa 13.2
2. Danielle Hunter 11.0
3. Myles Garrett  10.9
4. Dante Fower 10.7
5. Joey Bosa 10.4

• The 38-point differential against Carolina was the 49ers’ largest margin of victory since they beat the Bills, 45-3, on Oct. 7, 2012.

• They are 7-0 for the first time since 1990, when they began 10-0.

• The 49ers’ 1,268 rushing yards (181.1 a game) are their most through seven games since 1988 and their second-most since 1959.

• The 49ers have three players in the top 13 in the NFL among yards per carry among running backs: 1. Raheem Mostert (5.7); 4. Matt Breida (5.3); 13. Coleman (4.7)

• Nick Bosa is on pace for 16 sacks,  which would break Jevon Kearse's NFL rookie sack record of 14.5

• DT Arik Armstead had 2 sacks Sunday and now has 5.5 sacks. He never had more than 3 sacks in his first 4 NFL seasons. He never had more than 2.5 sacks in 3 seasons at Oregon.

 

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The thing I saw yesterday was

-Kyle Shanahan flat out EXPOSED Ron Rivera as a coach that is going down the Norv Turner road of letting the game pass him by. Shanahan looked like a genius in knowing exactly what the Carolina tendencies were (likely form his time of being a coordinator in the division), and I don't want to take away form the Niners terrific accomplishments but this win said more to me about sounding alarms in Carolina than it did praising the niners. 

Nick Bosa.  Dang.  Nice.  

 

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PFF grades and total snap counts:

https://www.ninersnation.com/2019/10/28/20936892/49ers-panthers-week-8-pff-snap-counts-grades

Akash had his offensive grades early Monday morning from the San Francisco 49ers win over the Carolina Panthers. Now it’s time to take a look at what PFF had to say, and the team’s snap counts. Let’s get into it.

Offense-66 total snaps

Quarterback -
Jimmy Garoppolo 58

Nick Mullens 7

Running back -
Tevin Coleman 31

Matt Breida 18

Raheem Mostert 14

Jeff Wilson Jr. 3

Sheldon Day 1

Tight end -
George Kittle 54

Ross Dwelley 34

Wide receiver -
Emmanuel Sanders 53

Deebo Samuel 45

Kendrick Bourne 30

Dante Pettis 20

Richie James Jr. 15

Offensive line -
Justin Skule 66

Laken Tomlinson 66

Daniel Brunskill 65

Weston Richburg 56

Mike Person 56

Sam Young 11

Ben Garland 10

Breida left the game with an ankle injury, but Kyle Shanahan said that Breida could have gone back in if the score was closer.

The addition of Sanders phased Richie James Jr. out of the offense. Until garbage time, at least. I do wonder how much the score/matchup had to do with the receiver snap counts. We saw more 12 personnel this week to spread Carolina out but keep them in their base defense. That worked, but so did everything else.

Top five offense PFF grades

Kittle 92.7

Tomlinson 90.4

Coleman 79.0

Brunskill 77.4

Person 73.7

When you score 51 points, your offensive line had a day. That’s what happened here, and yes, Kittle counts. Coleman took advantage of the rushing lanes that you could drive a semi through, and Tevin used his speed to run away from everyone else.

Five worst offense PFF grades

Pettis 55.5

Dwelley 55.5.

James Jr. 55.5

Wilson Jr. 51.1

Breida 49.1

Another quiet afternoon for Pettis, who was targeted three times and had one reception for five yards. On one of his targets, the defender may have gotten away with holding Pettis. The 49ers don’t throw it much, but you want more production out of the second-year receiver.

My guess is Breida didn’t have his trademark runs where he makes a few guys miss on one play. I wouldn’t fault him for that. I’d give credit to the offensive line.

Defense-68 snaps

Defensive line -
DeForest Buckner 44

Nick Bosa 51

D.J. Jones 39

Arik Armstead 37

Ronald Blair III 36

Solomon Thomas 32

Sheldon Day 25

Dee Ford 20

Linebackers -
Fred Warner 54

Kwon Alexander 52

Dre Greenlaw 29

Azeez Al-Shaair 14

Mark Nzeocha 8

Defensive backs -
Emmanuel Moseley 54

Jaquiski Tartt 54

Jimmie Ward 54

Richard Sherman 53

K’Waun Williams 45

Dontae Johnson 15

Marcell Harris 15

Tarvarius Moore 14

D.J. Reed Jr. 14

I was thinking, these blowouts are a blessing in disguise. It helps give guys like Dee Ford much needed rest to recover.

Top five defense PFF grades

Sherman 90.0

Bosa 84.3

Thomas 81.5

Moseley 80.7

Buckner 79.9

It’s tough to put into words how impressive Moseley has been. We’ll be breaking down his interception this week. The entire defense is playing fast and smart. They’re on the same page, and life has been extremely difficult for opposing offenses.

Sherman had three stops, including his interception. The cornerbacks have done an excellent job all season, mixing it up against the run. That has made a difference. You see, in plenty of other games where the cornerback is 1-on-1 with a runner, they can’t make a tackle, and the offense gets a big play.

Bosa was arguably the best player in the draft, and he has outperformed in draft status. He was taken second overall.

Five worst PFF grades

Blair III 54.5

Ford 54.3

Day 54.0

Warner 50.7

Alexander 50.7

PFF hates San Francisco’s linebackers. This is a weekly thing. I never want to take sides as I haven’t rewatched the game. Both have run grades in the ‘20s, but both combined for two missed tackles and gave up a combined 22 yards in coverage.

Blair III had three stops and a sack. Tough to be disappointed in an individual effort when the game was as out of hand as it was.

 

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@PFF's leaders in pass-rush win rate among qualifying first-round rookies through Week 8:

1. Nick Bosa (23.9%)

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2. Josh Allen (15.1%)
3. Brian Burns (14.3%)

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4. Ed Oliver (10.4%)
5. Dexter Lawrence (9.9%)

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6. Montez Sweat (7.6%)
7. Clelin Ferrell (6.7%)

The 49ers ran for 232 yards on Sunday...160 came BEFORE contact. That brings their season total of yards before contact up to 1,268.