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Drunken Cowboy said:
I think he will findraise on fighting, but not end up spending that money. 
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Totally this.  He basically has a month or so to build up the bankroll for whatever his next clown show is going to be.  Fundraise on fighting....but pocket the take to buy himself something nice later.

 
I've witnessed in my lifetime 2 of the worst Presidents in history. Trump because of behavior and ineffective and do it alone policy on China, excessive deficit producing tax cuts, divisive rhetoric, and poor COVID response.  Bush because of huge policy blunders in the ME. 

Thank goodness Trump only has a 4 year term.

 
Joe Bryant said:
You think there is no chance of Senate flipping Democrat?
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I'm as hopeful as they come as a Dem, but I'd have to think the chance of them winning both runoffs is incredibly small. Like 1%. Frankly I'll be surprised if they win either. There's certainly a chance I'll be way wrong on that given the (to my knowledge) unprecedented nature of what's at stake, but I'm suitably pessimistic right now.

 
mcintyre1 said:
I'm as hopeful as they come as a Dem, but I'd have to think the chance of them winning both runoffs is incredibly small. Like 1%. Frankly I'll be surprised if they win either. There's certainly a chance I'll be way wrong on that given the (to my knowledge) unprecedented nature of what's at stake, but I'm suitably pessimistic right now.
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Really?

What were their vote totals in the recent election?

 
Willie Neslon said:
I'm so happy this nightmare is finally over but I'm also so very disheartened that the election was this close. This should have been a landslide of epic proportions. Dems really need to focus on pushing back against the right wing propaganda on Fox and Facebook and do everything they can to destroy the conspiracy theory stuff that a chunk of the right believes. Trump was completely inept in many ways but he was a hall of famer at getting people to believe complete falsehoods. He was relentless at getting his nonsense out there. Dems can't let stuff like that slide anymore or we're going to be back in hell 4 years from now.
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I don't mean to direct this personally at you, but I continue to worry about extremes when we view the world through the prism of right-wing/left wing/us/them.  I'm no fan of Trump's, but 70+ million Americans just voted against Biden and that tells us something.  I don't think we should write them all off as rednecks and racists and uneducated.

I am a conservative who didn't vote for Trump either time because it was obvious to me what he was-and is.  A mean-spirited, narcissistic P.T. Barnum whose whole sphere of interests began and ended with himself and not others or the country at large.  I am happy to see him go and hope his departure can usher in a more constructive, empathetic era.

I suspect there are many of us in the center who are just as concerned about the extreme left (socialism) as the far right (Trumpism).  I hope our leaders do not take this as a mandate to try to lurch us from one extreme to the other.  I remember right after 9/11 we were all mostly unified as AMERICANS, if only for a little while.  I hope the pendulum can land somewhere in the middle, even if only briefly.

IMO, today is a good day for the republic.  I hope our leaders are wise enough to carry that forward.

 
And this is out how non aware I am, if both GA Senate seats go Dem, the Senate flips. If just 1 or 0 go Dem, the Senate stays Republican. Is that right?

 
Joe Bryant said:
Really?

What were their vote totals in the recent election?
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Ossoff lost by about 93k (as of now) while the other guy "won" the initial vote but only by a small amount (and if the GOP candidates didn't split most of their vote, it wouldn't have gone to a runoff). Barring some massive vote increases for the Democratic candidates, I just don't see them pulling it off. There's about to be a ridiculous amount of money poured into Georgia regardless, though.

 
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mcintyre1 said:
I'm as hopeful as they come as a Dem, but I'd have to think the chance of them winning both runoffs is incredibly small. Like 1%. Frankly I'll be surprised if they win either. There's certainly a chance I'll be way wrong on that given the (to my knowledge) unprecedented nature of what's at stake, but I'm suitably pessimistic right now.
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Yep.  It's not happening.

 
Joe Bryant said:
And this is out how non aware I am, if both GA Senate seats go Dem, the Senate flips. If just 1 or 0 go Dem, the Senate stays Republican. Is that right?
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As others have pointed out, this will almost certainly be along party lines. Virtually no one will vote R for one seat and D for the other.

So it's almost certainly going to be 2 seats for either side. 50-50 or 52-48.

Keep in mind, 2 of the D seats are actually Independents, though.

 
mcintyre1 said:
Ossoff lost by about 93k (as of now) while the other guy "won" the initial vote but only by a small amount (and if the GOP candidates didn't split most of their vote, it wouldn't have gone to a runoff). Barring some massive vote increases for the Democratic candidates, I just don't see them pulling it off. There's about to be a ridiculous amount of money poured into Georgia regardless, though.
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 I think we could see increased voter turnout as well.  People who didnt vote seeing this celebration will want to be a part of it. 

 
Capella said:
I truly think in the next 10 days he will see the light and will not concede but just give up. There are no outs left. 
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Yeah, he'll just lose interest and move on to his next grift. I hope someone will be paying attention to how Trump will leverage these last few weeks as president for his own gain. Similarly with the people in his near orbit like Kushner.

 
I think what's unique about it is that I don't think Georgia has ever really been a "swing" state. The amount at stake for these 2 runoffs is historic. 

There is no way to truly predict what will happen with all the dynamics in play.

1) Historically red

2) Turned blue this year for Presidential race

3) Trump losing

4) Likeability of candidates

5) Knowing the ramifications of flipping the entire Senate

6) Covid worsening

 
Tin Cup said:
I don't mean to direct this personally at you, but I continue to worry about extremes when we view the world through the prism of right-wing/left wing/us/them.  I'm no fan of Trump's, but 70+ million Americans just voted against Biden and that tells us something.  I don't think we should write them all off as rednecks and racists and uneducated.

I am a conservative who didn't vote for Trump either time because it was obvious to me what he was-and is.  A mean-spirited, narcissistic P.T. Barnum whose whole sphere of interests began and ended with himself and not others or the country at large.  I am happy to see him go and hope his departure can usher in a more constructive, empathetic era.

I suspect there are many of us in the center who are just as concerned about the extreme left (socialism) as the far right (Trumpism).  I hope our leaders do not take this as a mandate to try to lurch us from one extreme to the other.  I remember right after 9/11 we were all mostly unified as AMERICANS, if only for a little while.  I hope the pendulum can land somewhere in the middle, even if only briefly.

IMO, today is a good day for the republic.  I hope our leaders are wise enough to carry that forward.
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Biden will govern as a centrist, moderate. Unless you think Biden's ideas about improving our healthcare situation are socialism. 

 
gianmarco said:
As others have pointed out, this will almost certainly be along party lines. Virtually no one will vote R for one seat and D for the other.

So it's almost certainly going to be 2 seats for either side. 50-50 or 52-48.

Keep in mind, 2 of the D seats are actually Independents, though.
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That's how I understood it too. I find it fascinating in a race that was this close this time and will surely have tons of outside money poured in that Dems are so pessimistic. Interesting. 

The conservatives I talk to seem to think it's very possible both seats go Democratic. 

 
gianmarco said:
I think what's unique about it is that I don't think Georgia has ever really been a "swing" state. The amount at stake for these 2 runoffs is historic. 

There is no way to truly predict what will happen with all the dynamics in play.

1) Historically red

2) Turned blue this year for Presidential race

3) Trump losing

4) Likeability of candidates

5) Knowing the ramifications of flipping the entire Senate

6) Covid worsening
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That's what I mean. Yet Dems think it's not likely to get both seats? Seems odd.

What do you think will happen in the 2 races?

 
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If you’re not a Trump supporter but want to read a reasonable (IMO) conservative pundit, you really should check out Jonah Goldberg writing at his own site The Dispatch (or on Twitter). He’s not only a good read, he’s usually a fun read as well and will call out both sides as he sees fit. Love this from him today:

 Fox News didn’t steal the election or even remotely help steal it—because it wasn’t stolen. What they did do is steal the narrative Trump and the Trumpers wanted to be true. Or to put it more cynically, they stole the narrative the Trumpers wanted to claim was true, so that they could steal an election.
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Joe Bryant said:
You think there is no chance of Senate flipping Democrat?
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No chance?  No....it's a very slim chance.  I've stayed with that since the mid terms and I'm staying with it now, though it's closer than I thought.  The most telling thing about this election (in my opinion) is how resounding a win this is for Biden popular vote wise and how close these Senate races are.  In my view it's a perfect illustration of just how fed up the electorate was with Trump himself.  

 
Joe Bryant said:
That's how I understood it too. I find it fascinating in a race that was this close this time and will surely have tons of outside money poured in that Dems are so pessimistic. Interesting. 

The conservatives I talk to seem to think it's very possible both seats go Democratic. 
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Because despite the state turning blue for Biden, Perdue had a somewhat sizeable lead in his race. The other one is not important. But for the fact there was a rule about getting 50.0% of the vote (and he got 49.9%), we aren't even having this conversation. 

I think R has to easily be favored.

 
gianmarco said:
I think what's unique about it is that I don't think Georgia has ever really been a "swing" state. The amount at stake for these 2 runoffs is historic. 

There is no way to truly predict what will happen with all the dynamics in play.

1) Historically red

2) Turned blue this year for Presidential race

3) Trump losing

4) Likeability of candidates

5) Knowing the ramifications of flipping the entire Senate

6) Covid worsening
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I am not sure I agree with your overall premise. I think Georgia as a swing state has been coming. Abrams was very close in 2018. That race is a decent proxy for the runoff.

 
The Commish said:
No chance?  No....it's a very slim chance.  I've stayed with that since the mid terms and I'm staying with it now, though it's closer than I thought.  The most telling thing about this election (in my opinion) is how resounding a win this is for Biden popular vote wise and how close these Senate races are.  In my view it's a perfect illustration of just how fed up the electorate was with Trump himself.  
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Why "very slim"?

 
Was mainly just confused by the "So they think McConnell is in bed with Biden?" shot as that was the only way Democrats could get anything done in the Senate. 

 
Tin Cup said:
I don't mean to direct this personally at you, but I continue to worry about extremes when we view the world through the prism of right-wing/left wing/us/them.  I'm no fan of Trump's, but 70+ million Americans just voted against Biden and that tells us something.  I don't think we should write them all off as rednecks and racists and uneducated.

I am a conservative who didn't vote for Trump either time because it was obvious to me what he was-and is.  A mean-spirited, narcissistic P.T. Barnum whose whole sphere of interests began and ended with himself and not others or the country at large.  I am happy to see him go and hope his departure can usher in a more constructive, empathetic era.

I suspect there are many of us in the center who are just as concerned about the extreme left (socialism) as the far right (Trumpism).  I hope our leaders do not take this as a mandate to try to lurch us from one extreme to the other.  I remember right after 9/11 we were all mostly unified as AMERICANS, if only for a little while.  I hope the pendulum can land somewhere in the middle, even if only briefly.

IMO, today is a good day for the republic.  I hope our leaders are wise enough to carry that forward.
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I think this is a pretty fair post.  Conceptually, in a perfect world, there should be some give-and-take, some across-the-aisle dealings. Our government needs to work together.

My real concern personally has more to do with the fracturing of news media, and the way that truly fringe ideas - I'm talking the Q stuff, Pizzagate, all of this - have taken root in relatively mainstream media.  I've said this for a while, but we're through the looking glass in terms of misinformation and fake news.  There is no putting this genie back in the bottle, and it will only get worse.  Personally, I think the socialism fear is a little overblown and a bit of red herring, but as a libertarian-leaning independent there are definitely things I don't agree with, and I can understand the fear.

I am very interested (and kinda terrified) to see where we go from here.  Many people appear to be celebrating as if "the war" is over.  Don't get me wrong - this is a good day for America, absolutely, but this was just a battle.  The war of misinformation is far, far from over.  Do we as Americans coalesce back into some semblance of normalcy, or does the fringe continue to pull us apart?

 
Joe Bryant said:
Was mainly just confused by the "So they think McConnell is in bed with Biden?" shot as that was the only way Democrats could get anything done in the Senate. 
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How else would they get anything done?  It's pretty clear that the GOP electorate with McConnell leading "the party of 'no' ".  There is zero penalty for them behaving that way.  There is no reason for them to change.  As long as he's majority leader, that's what I see happening.

 
I also think the minority side is always more motivated. It's why we don't see full majorities last very long. Knowing that Republicans will lose all 3 areas is incredibly motivating.

 
Only way I see Dems winning both GA seats is if they can successfully message that flipping the senate is the only chance a covid relief bill passes. And I’m not very optimistic it will happen. 

 
The Georgia special election is going to be an all-timer fun race. The last governors race, Presidential vote count, and these Senate races go to show that it's going to be extremely close.

Not to sound like a bad football commentator, but it's going to come down to who wants it more. If the turnout is staunch Democrats voting one way and staunch Republicans voting the other, I'd think the Rs are the heavy favorite because it's still Georgia. The Ds have to hope that some of the moderates and non-regular voters they turned out will come out again and aren't satisfied with gridlock anyway. 

It's definitely going to be expensive and super duper hyped up. I wonder what turnout will be. Has to be off the charts, I'd imagine.

 
Joe Bryant said:
By winning 2 races in Georgia that were close enough this time to merit a runoff? 
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I think it more likely a way will be found to get a handful of moderate Republicans to pass some legislation. I'm hoping that if there was a mandate established this election, it was an anti extremism mandate. Might make it easier to work together.

 
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Yo Mama said:
Only way I see Dems winning both GA seats is if they can successfully message that flipping the senate is the only chance a covid relief bill passes. And I’m not very optimistic it will happen. 
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These two races will be a decent proxy for Republican turnout without Trump on the top of the ticket.  It took historically high turnout for Trump to even come close here, and without him to vote for, who knows what that turnout will look like (this is also why I wouldn’t believe a single poll of either race).  It seems a safe assumption Georgia Dems will be fairly motivated to vote for Warnock, but who knows.  

 
Gr00vus said:
I think it more likely a way will be found to get a handful of moderate Republicans to pass some legislation. I'm hoping that if there was a mandate established this election, it was an anti extremism mandate. Might make it easier to work together.
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The problem with your thinking is Senate rules. McConnell won't bring anything to the floor that the GOP doesn't support. The only way for a defector to influence things is to switch and vote for a Dem leader

 
Gr00vus said:
I know it isn't super interesting, but my home state of CA, only has 77% of the vote counted. Plus over 4 million for Biden here.
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Yeah with that and the remaining NY votes to be counted, we’ll see a 5M popular vote difference at the end of the day

 
Speaking to a concern we'd discussed in this forum a bit the last few weeks, all the live footage on news networks right now is from huge cities. No representation from small towns. I'd feel left out / ignored if I was from such a place. It's a problem.

 
Gr00vus said:
Speaking to a concern we'd discussed in this forum a bit the last few weeks, all the live footage on news networks right now is from huge cities. No representation from small towns. I'd feel left out / ignored if I was from such a place. It's a problem.
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Why would a news network send a camera crew/reporter to a town of 10,000 where there probably isn't even anyone on the street?

 
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