Tom Hagen
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Does anyone know how much he wants? With a cap problem coming next year I wouldn't worry about 1 or 2 million but a $10 million raise would be a real problem.
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The Noid
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He's getting $3 million guaranteed, with up to $3 million more in incentives. Haven't seen any solid info on those incentives, and how realistic they were, but maybe guaranteeing that and throwing him a little extra on top gets it done?
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And I think the sticking point from the team's side is they're (rightly) worried that they pay him like an LT and then he misses half the season with injuries. That was essentially the risk they were trying to avoid by not bringing him back in the first place. So maybe making those incentives based on games played at LT or something is the answer. "We'll pay you like an LT, as long as you're actually playing LT."
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DJackson10
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I was gonna come in here and suggest with all the injuries already would maybe signing Fournette for a year on a prove it deal not playing as many snaps help us? It gives us a legit starter if something happens to Sanders too. I like Boston Scott and Corey Clement but neither one is really a starting NFL RB they are more situational backs then anything unless Baby Yoda can somehow find an Austin Ekler in him.Insein said:
Terpman22
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No. Another guy on the team crying about money + opportunity = no thanks. We are good as is, he would make our team slower.
DJackson10
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Kind of agree but I also think he'd be good for late game when winding down the clock. We had our best success with a Blount type guy as well with the others to wear teams down at games.
Terpman22
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Agree, but we are also at our best "as a team" we brought in Ajayi on a trade last minute, kind of the same style "prove it/last year contract" deal.
But I stand with my original statement.
DJackson10
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Fan cutouts in the stands at The Linc are on pre-sale to Season Ticket Members until Wednesday, then to the public. $100 each (all profits go to the Eagles Autism Foundation), can't select where you are placed but they will send you the location and picture of your cutout in its section. If you want to be placed in a group or as a family, you have to order them all at the same time. Pets are allowed.
Lehigh98
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My MIL just texted us that she wants to buy cutouts of our two kids and their cousin for the Autism donation.
Will update and let you guys know how it goes if we do this.
Bigboy10182000
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At this stage I’d keep Peters where he is or even cut him before I paid him. Who knows if he can play RG or even how well he’ll do at LT
Terpman22
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Than who? No time for pride, we aren't lol cutting a guy that is a HOFer at the position after his heir apparent is lost for the season to injury. PFF had a pretty good grade on him last year "while he was in" which was north of 80% of the snaps, regardless of how fans feel. We don't have any leverage here.
Bigboy10182000
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Is he playing at a HOF level now? Of course not. Who knows wtf he is at RG either at 38 years old. No one and I mean not one wanted him at all. He’s only here because of the Brooks injury and playing a different position. That should give you an idea of how he’s viewed now.
It’s a horrible precedent to set by giving him money to help the team and play a position he’s paid for years. He has to stay at RG or go period.
Terpman22
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Horrible precedent? For future HOF'ers? I'm ok setting a precedent for a guy that is a Future HOFer and still pretty much a top 10 guy at his position. I was under the impression when we let Dawkins go, THAT was the horrible precedent. Is he playing at a HOF level at age 38? Cmon now, only Jerry Rice did. And he will be playing LT not RG lol. He's here b/c he is capable, a great leader and well we drafted a QB round 2 instead of OL depth.
Bigboy10182000
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Yes paying a guy extra to play a position he has for years sets a horrible precedent. THAT’s not Dawkins at all. Not even close. He’s me first
Hes literally bending us over a barrel because we need him and you’re ok with it
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Terpman22
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Hey look, I'm not a fan of it, but it is what it is. Players have been getting more and more power. He isn't really making a big deal out of this. This is the Eagles fault for letting themselves get to this position. We say this every year, but this HAS to be his last year. Am I ok with it? I mean, its not my money, we are under the cap, who cares? Again, I will say the word "pride"
Would you rather us start Prince, the rookie at LT or around that level, just to not pay JP $5m more of someone elses money?
Bigboy10182000
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Yes and not risk having future players do the same thing. Imagine Slay goes down and we ask Mills to play CB and he’s like “not unless you pay me more”....nip this now.
DJackson10
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DJackson10
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Good for him. In the most part when it comes to the NFL I'm always siding with player. Besides Baseball NFL Players have the least power out of the 4 major sports. Heck Soccer players wield more power then both combined. I'd pay the extra to a HOF LT if it means Carson, Jalen and Nate are safe back there. Say Wentz goes down, do you really want to put your 2nd round pick rookie in a situation similar to David Carr was in Hou with a shaky Line protecting him? I don't
DJackson10
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Jalen barely has that kind of ability. It's not like he was playing top 5 CB before he got moved.
DJackson10
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This team continues to do amazing things. Lurie the in his State of the team address took 15 mins out of it just to talk about current events, social justice and everything. Not many owners do that or put In the work for the community or for the fans Lurie does on a daily basis. This guy takes care of his employees too. Takes the time to try and meet and remember everyone from the Gameday staff Security to the Janitor at the Novacare Center. Literally his door is open to anyone needing anything and he routinely sits and has lunch or whatever with the players. He's the boss that many people dream of having. I'm glad to be in a similar situation with My company as my President at least in my area is great. Whenever he comes in he doesn't just talk to management but the employees. Wants to make sure everything is ok, we got new equipment awhile ago thanks to him when someone told him a lot of it was old, etc.
This Organization continues to impress me yearly with what they do outside of Football.
Pigskin Fanatic
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agree with the general sentiment, but in this specific case at least should acknowledge he practically said he'll take less money to sign as RT than he wanted since it is RT. Didn't he demand initially he'll sign if they let him play LT and pay him more? that might have been a comment here by a poster and not by Peters, my memory not what it use to be.
Mystery Achiever
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Here's the transcript of Lurie's State of the Eagles. speech. I haven't read through yet, but the excerpts I've seen on TV were great.
https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/transcript-chairman-and-ceo-jeffrey-lurie-state-of-the-eagles-address
Also, if you buy a fan cutout and do the 2021 Autism Challenge, your registration fee is waived.
https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/transcript-chairman-and-ceo-jeffrey-lurie-state-of-the-eagles-address
Also, if you buy a fan cutout and do the 2021 Autism Challenge, your registration fee is waived.
Bigboy10182000
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You’re missing the point. It opens the door for ANY player, regardless of caliber, to hold a team ransom. That’s not a door I’m willing to open
I don’t recall reading that anywhere. If not for a Brooks injury he’s still a FA and contemplating retirement at this point. He’s made 100 million from us alone and asking a player to help out at another position has never resulted in said player seeking a raise. This is a bad precedent to start for a 38 year old player.
Terpman22
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Its a matter of fan preference. its obvious Peters is the best option we have. I'm that guy that thinks we should put the best players on the field, if we can fit under the cap and there are no character/team/chemistry issues. No one here is thinking we have a better option than Peters. Some fans (mainly old school types like Ditka) don't like players having any say over their contracts, money career and to "honor the contract" a la Scottie Pippen. Not happening anymore, just the reality of today's players, league, personalities.
Mystery Achiever
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One thing I didn't realize til I read Lurie's speech is that Avant, Celek, Sproles and Barwin are all working for the team now.
Bigboy10182000
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The vision of Peters you have in your head does not match the reality of the situation. He’s more of a familiar name now. He hasn’t finished a practice this season, constantly can’t complete games and now refuses to help and be a good teammate because we need him. He’s at the end of the road and he knows it and is trying to get every cent he can. You can agree with his stance or not but I’d prefer a guy who’s made 111 million (100 with us) to help the team in his last days some instead of nickel and diming us. Us being the ONLY team that even wanted him.
Terpman22
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Last response from me on this. While we are just 2 guys on a message board debating, the professionals at PFF graded him out 6th best OT (both right and left) last year.
The reality of the situation is we need him or start a 4th round rookie LT OR the 3rd year Australian still learning real football. Money earned already is really irrelevant.
Bigboy10182000
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PFF has become something simply used for confirmation bias.
We all watched him. He had good games and downright crap ones. He settled in on average with a chance to miss time every game. And that was last year. He won’t improve as a player and isn’t improving as a teammate
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DJackson10
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I said I wouldn't be surprised by player injuries. Teams are more susceptible to injuries given they didn't have their offseason condition programs and Mini camps this year. You can only do so much at your own home. Many of these guys aren't lucky like a Fletcher Cox or Mahomes with big homes with their own personal gym. Public gyms were closed and if opened don't see many risking getting a virus out in public. Considering how physical football is compared to other sports and the PT that goes along with it, this shouldn't surprise anyone.
It's frustrating given our teams injury history though which I do understand.
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Lehigh98
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We've got three in for our seats for my two kids and their cousin, no idea where they'll end up.
I'll come back and post when I find out. Let us know if anyone else gets cutouts.
jasvic
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Assuming they'll stash a few on the practice squad and take advantage of the new rules to use them when needed.
DJackson10
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I like Sul over Jones. He seemed to be more productive when he was in there then Sid was. Some people love to harp on his INT at the end of the Giants game last year but Jones threw that thing right to him like he was the WR. He made a good play in the Dal game to end it but that was lucky he wasn't called for DPI either (Considering how the NFL calls it these days). Jones is inconsistent and has availability issues at best. I think him killing his achilles is a huge issue.
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Good: Goedert, Sanders, Maddox, Gerry,
Meh or TBD: Barnett, Douglas, Sweat, Pryor, Mailata, JJAW, Dillard
Bad: Jones, Hollins, Pumphrey, Gibson, Qualls, Thorson, Miller
That covers the draft and probably is a "C" grade. FA and trades while he was there (Foles, Long, Patrick Robinson, Blount, Ajayi, Jernnigan, Torrey Smith, Jeffery) probably would be a "B".
So, maybe on the top-end of "average" talent evaluators
ETA: Eagles cut bait on both Sidney Jones and Shareef Miller today.
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53 man, in depth chart form.
Notable: 6 safeties, 6 DEs (they are still trying to salvage the Genard Avery deal and 7th-rounder Toohill made it), 2 TEs (Togiai is probably headed to PS), 9 of the 10 draft picks made the roster (Prince Tega, the only one cut, to the PS?)
Notable: 6 safeties, 6 DEs (they are still trying to salvage the Genard Avery deal and 7th-rounder Toohill made it), 2 TEs (Togiai is probably headed to PS), 9 of the 10 draft picks made the roster (Prince Tega, the only one cut, to the PS?)
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