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***Official 2022 World Cup Thread*** (1 Viewer)

Is Denmark now the highest ranked team going into the tournament to be eliminated in the group stage?

I wanted to reply with Italy if you had worded it a little differently ;)

crazy they didn't qualify

If you want to know why FIFA is anxious to expand the field look no further than Europe. And to be fair, there's no chance Italy isn't one of the top 16 teams in the world, much less top 32. Euro qualifying is brutal if you get a bad draw and hit poor form.

I do not believe this is correct. Europe benefits the least from the expanded WC in terms of slots. This 48 team thing passed because they promised the smaller regions more slots.

read this link. You will see UEFA had the smallest change in allocation slots of all the regions from a % point of view

 
Is Denmark now the highest ranked team going into the tournament to be eliminated in the group stage?

I wanted to reply with Italy if you had worded it a little differently ;)

crazy they didn't qualify

If you want to know why FIFA is anxious to expand the field look no further than Europe. And to be fair, there's no chance Italy isn't one of the top 16 teams in the world, much less top 32. Euro qualifying is brutal if you get a bad draw and hit poor form.

While Euro qualification can be brutal, Italy only have themselves to blame. They lost to North Macedonia, while at home, to get eliminated. That may have been worse than the US losing away at wet and bumpy.
 
Group stage is far from over, but so far what I'll remember about this WC is European teams not playing that well Denmark out. Germany and Belgium maybe out. France in but losing to Tunisia. Italy not in tournament. England tying US.
 
Is Denmark now the highest ranked team going into the tournament to be eliminated in the group stage?

I wanted to reply with Italy if you had worded it a little differently ;)

crazy they didn't qualify

If you want to know why FIFA is anxious to expand the field look no further than Europe. And to be fair, there's no chance Italy isn't one of the top 16 teams in the world, much less top 32. Euro qualifying is brutal if you get a bad draw and hit poor form.

I do not believe this is correct. Europe benefits the least from the expanded WC in terms of slots. This 48 team thing passed because they promised the smaller regions more slots.

read this link. You will see UEFA had the smallest change in allocation slots of all the regions from a % point of view


Yes, but most got 3-4 new slots. That would bring in - Italy, Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, etc. It is in their best interest to do it - they still have 2nd most % of teams going.

But you are correct - getting more of the smaller countries spots definitely greased the wheels more than Euro. I just don't think the Euro teams are too disappointed.
 

Considering how **** his first touch has been it's quite remarkable how good he's been overall. He's been fantastic and frustrating!

You don't often (and by not often I mean almost never) see a player get this far in a career (both club and country) on pure raw athleticism. He has less technical skills than 95% of top playing kids in an academy who won't get any where near as far as he did. It is quite amazing. And yes, it is impossible not to cringe every time he accepts a ball. Thank god Ream plays such soft passes which helps him both at club and country.
 
Is Denmark now the highest ranked team going into the tournament to be eliminated in the group stage?

I wanted to reply with Italy if you had worded it a little differently ;)

crazy they didn't qualify

there will be an entire generation of kids (think from elementary through graduating high school) that will have no watched Italy play in a WC, and that is assuming they end a 12 year drought by qualifying in 2026.

Even crazier is that they have no advanced to the second round since 2006. That is insane to think about.....

Wow, what a weird team. All the history and tradition, won the 2020 Euros but can't qualify for a Cup.
 
Our talent pool is past the point of being happy about a draw at Honduras or El Salvador. And we should be beyond the point of having to hold on by the skin of our teeth against Iran. Iran are a well organized team with SOME talent, but I didn't see anyone out there with game-changing quality. And we played scared against them instead of going for the jugular

I know non-positive comments are often not well received so I say this with hesitation, but for me, as a total noob, but someone that could be brought into the fold, the words above are a big deal.

It's surprising, and a bit sad honestly, to put this much effort into soccer and we're at a point where we're thrilled to tie a country with 3 million people. Or to have to eke out a win against Iran. Is that American delusion or stupidity? Maybe. But my honest opinion is it seems frustrating we're still at the point of being happy with a draw at Honduras. :shrug:
I want to add something else here that isn't really talked about by most of us because it's known, but it's definitely not something that is likely familiar to fans who don't watch regularly.

When we watch these international tournaments, these are teams that don't regularly play together. With the World Cup, for example, qualification happens over the course of 2-3 years for many countries, and a year plus for even the top countries. During that time, lineups can change substantially due to injuries, how well a player is playing, who is playing which position, etc. So, that's the first part. Specifically, for the US, we had a lot of injuries to deal with and we regularly were without some of our top players at different times. In fact, it's amazing that they've all gotten healthy at the right time and are taking the field for us. Except for maybe one guy (Miles Robinson), we have our top, preferred lineup. And this is the first time they've ALL played together. Which brings me to my second point, which goes along with this.

These players all play for different clubs across the world. The biggest leagues are in Europe (England, Spain, France, Italy, and Germany are the big 5). Most top players, even for countries like Brazil and Argentina, play in those leagues. For 10 months of the year, these guys play with their club team. In between those leagues/seasons, they break away for a week+ to come together and practice for their country and play qualifying games or friendlies (matches without tournament implications but practice to play together against other countries). This is the ONLY time the coach gets the players together, can work on strategy, and then they go back to their regular clubs. It is REALLY hard to get strategy/tactics and learn to play together over such a short time. It's even harder when guys are rotating in and out due to injuries.

So, the reality is that the quality of soccer you are watching in a tournament like this is going to be lower than what the top clubs in the world play. Reason is, those clubs practice week in and week out and play week in and week out with their same players AND with a total quality that is overall better than what one country can put together because it's not arbitrarily limited to nationality. A top club team like Real Madrid, will have players from Spain but will also have players from Germany or Italy or England or Brazil.....and they can fill in whatever void you need. For the World Cup, you have to fill 11 positions. And your country may not have a quality player at, for example, LB and you can't really do much about that. Or, if your starting LB gets hurt, there may be a huge dropoff to that next guy.

These World Cup competitions are basically like an All-Star game where players from various teams come together for short periods of time, work on strategy and playing together the best they can, and then have to go out and play. Except it's not an All-Star game because it's not necessarily the best of the best since it's limited to nationality. And it only takes a couple weak links to sabotage an entire team no matter how good the rest of the players are.

On top of that, some countries have an inherent advantage. A country like Germany has a lot of their players playing together on the same team and/or in the same league. There's SOME familiarity that carries over with that. Italy, for example, is one of those. So, while we have players that are all playing in Europe starting, it's still scattered across different teams and leagues. One advantage we have is that 2 of our defensive players play together every week for a club team (Fulham). It absolutely helps.

So, you have to understand, when you've got a bunch of young players playing for a country that is just starting to develop talent, it's an incredible challenge for a coach that has limited time with them to pick the right guys to work together AND develop a system that fits those needs AND do so with turnover due to form/injuries AND change it up from game to game with only a few days in between during the highest pressure situation there is. On top of that, the best managers/coaches are employed by clubs. They don't also do international duties. So, most of these coaches are not going to be the best of the best.

That's a long read but hopefully gives an understanding of what's going on behind the scenes. Before I watched soccer regularly and followed club teams, I always thought these countries played together a lot and didn't understand how much things change and how little time they actually get together. That they are able to put the kind of product on the field given those limitations is pretty amazing. It's like an All-Star game with lesser quality and significantly higher stakes.
 
It would be pretty fun to have one quarterfinal be Saudi Arabia vs Australia while another is Argentina vs France. I mean the Saudis would have to like win by 3 or more but it would be funny.

-QG

Saudi wins group with a win and a Argie-Pol draw..? Is that correct?

Correct but my fun scenario with Argentina finishing 2nd to Saudis requires the above. Realistically if Saudis finish first 2nd place would be Poland
-QG
 
Is Denmark now the highest ranked team going into the tournament to be eliminated in the group stage?

I wanted to reply with Italy if you had worded it a little differently ;)

crazy they didn't qualify

If you want to know why FIFA is anxious to expand the field look no further than Europe. And to be fair, there's no chance Italy isn't one of the top 16 teams in the world, much less top 32. Euro qualifying is brutal if you get a bad draw and hit poor form.

Europe pretty much got nothing out of the tournament expansion. 3 spots ain't much and surely a big team or two or three will miss 2026. Only tiny cookie they get is no Euro vs Euro in opening 2 games and no additional possible games for a given side....for now. Was gonna wait til the dead spot after round of 16 but will post the promised thing tonight.

-QG
 
As expected the Mexico Argentina game drew big numbers. It was already the largest audience to ever watch a sporting event on Telemundo and once the FS1 numbers came into today, it hit 13 million viewers. Second biggest audience of the group stage behind only the US England game.
 
Man, if I were an 17-20 year old midfielder in the US system I'd be bummed at my prospects of starting for the next 5 or 6 years. MMA have probably got it locked up when healthy for quite awhile. Lots of room for depth and maybe some tactical flexibility, but it's going to be hard for anyone to break in.

ETA: who in that age range is even legit on the radar right now? McGlynn?

I don't know if this guy was mentioned (he is 21 so it is slightly outside of your window)

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thanks @gianmarco that‘s thorough AF and even though I knew it (played/watched for eons) it’s helpful …now I can just cut and paste that to my friends. I’ll give you credit tho, promise.
Thanks.

People probably wonder why some of us are talking about the"experience" of doing this and how it'll pay off for 2026. Because, in addition to actually playing these games, it's also another 4 years that this group gets to work together.

These top countries have a consistent core, not just year to year but cycle to cycle. So, they are incorporating new players into an existing system with most players having been on the national team for 8-10 years. They are playing their 2nd or 3rd World Cup (or more)

We have a completely new squad. We have only one player from the 2014 WC squad and he's not a starter (Yedlin). Even if we had made the 2018 WC, the only guys on our team that would have likely started are Pulisic and Yedlin.

So, even if/when we get some new players for us in 2026, we are going to have a lot of holdovers from this group since they are so freaking young. Ditto 2030. And hopefully by then we can develop a goal scorer since that's the one piece we are missing now.

That's why these things don't change overnight. And even though 4 years seems like a long time, it's only one cycle and is considered "overnight" when it comes to this. Having the pipeline in place to keep things going consistently is what will change things and we finally have that over the last 5ish years.

Also, going back to my last long post, to put it in perspective with football, it would be like building a football team with some guys from the NFL, some guys from the CFL, a couple guys from some football league elsewhere, maybe college. And then you've got some players from a team that runs the option, some players from a team like Navy that doesn't pass, some players from defensive minded teams, and you don't necessarily get to pick which ones from each, you get all guys with the last name that starts with M and S, for example, and you have to put all that together with 3 days of practice.
 
Is Denmark now the highest ranked team going into the tournament to be eliminated in the group stage?

I wanted to reply with Italy if you had worded it a little differently ;)

crazy they didn't qualify

If you want to know why FIFA is anxious to expand the field look no further than Europe. And to be fair, there's no chance Italy isn't one of the top 16 teams in the world, much less top 32. Euro qualifying is brutal if you get a bad draw and hit poor form.

Europe pretty much got nothing out of the tournament expansion. 3 spots ain't much and surely a big team or two or three will miss 2026. Only tiny cookie they get is no Euro vs Euro in opening 2 games and no additional possible games for a given side....for now. Was gonna wait til the dead spot after round of 16 but will post the promised thing tonight.

-QG

It's much better for CONCACAF (and us) - CONMEBOL could get 70% of their teams in and are guaranteed 60%.
 
I've never been to Australia but I feel pretty confident they would be high on any list of countries you want to party with after advancing out of the group stage.

check this out!! holy hell

helm’s deep. 😂😂😂

@Joe Bryant this is the passion I spoke of. And this is australia. They are in no way at the top of the passion scale regarding soccer.
 
oh no...if Argie does not pull this off, that is going to give the people who don't want to give Messi the goat status some added fuel.

Argentina is flowing though. This is all Argie!
 

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