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I finally watched a game last night (Mercury vs Liberty) because the CWS game got postponed and nothing else was on.

It was about what I expected. A slower less athletic version of basketball. It reminded me of a good high school level game.

Griner looked clunky. I thought she would appear more athletic. Stewart can shoot. She looked smooth. Ionesco didn't jump out to me as much as some of the hype I had heard. I thought she would be better. #11 on Phoenix shot well. But what it seemed to me is it was a lot of just open shots. Not a lot of defensive pressure on shots from both sides. Just not enough athleticism to contest shots.

Overall it was fine. Game was close. But the style of play was blah. Kind of clunky at times.

With nothing else on I may watch but it's not going to jump up the list.

Aren't you the same guy who posted a very long post - TWICE - about high school baseball MVPs? Not MLB or minor leagues or even college but HS....and you're now in here denigrarting the WNBA for being inferior? Seems strange to me.
 
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I finally watched a game last night (Mercury vs Liberty) because the CWS game got postponed and nothing else was on.

It was about what I expected. A slower less athletic version of basketball. It reminded me of a good high school level game.

Griner looked clunky. I thought she would appear more athletic. Stewart can shoot. She looked smooth. Ionesco didn't jump out to me as much as some of the hype I had heard. I thought she would be better. #11 on Phoenix shot well. But what it seemed to me is it was a lot of just open shots. Not a lot of defensive pressure on shots from both sides. Just not enough athleticism to contest shots.

Overall it was fine. Game was close. But the style of play was blah. Kind of clunky at times.

With nothing else on I may watch but it's not going to jump up the list.

Aren't you the same guy who posted a very long post - TWICE - about high school baseball MVPs? Not MLB or minor leagues or even college but HS....and you're now in here denigrarting the WNBA for being inferior? Seems strange to me.
What does that have to do with anything? Two totally unrelated topics with no bearing on each other at all.

I was just giving my opinion on the entertainment value of the WNBA. I wasn't impressed.
 
Another fun game brewing. It could be the battle of the Samuelson sisters, or the battle of the Aaliyah's.

Mystics-Fever is just always fun. Same as with Sky and Sparks.

Just fun to watch young teams find their way.
 
I finally watched a game last night (Mercury vs Liberty) because the CWS game got postponed and nothing else was on.

It was about what I expected. A slower less athletic version of basketball. It reminded me of a good high school level game.

Griner looked clunky. I thought she would appear more athletic. Stewart can shoot. She looked smooth. Ionesco didn't jump out to me as much as some of the hype I had heard. I thought she would be better. #11 on Phoenix shot well. But what it seemed to me is it was a lot of just open shots. Not a lot of defensive pressure on shots from both sides. Just not enough athleticism to contest shots.

Overall it was fine. Game was close. But the style of play was blah. Kind of clunky at times.

With nothing else on I may watch but it's not going to jump up the list.

Aren't you the same guy who posted a very long post - TWICE - about high school baseball MVPs? Not MLB or minor leagues or even college but HS....and you're now in here denigrarting the WNBA for being inferior? Seems strange to me.
What does that have to do with anything? Two totally unrelated topics with no bearing on each other at all.

I was just giving my opinion on the entertainment value of the WNBA. I wasn't impressed.
It's perfectly fine to not like women's basketball.
As the history of the world has shown us, most people don't like it.

Popping in to express love for Caitlin while making sure to let everybody know that women's basketball sucks is just odd.
 
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Popping in to express love for Caitlin while making sure to let everybody know that women's basketball sucks is just odd.
I have never done that. The media hype surrounding her has brought me to give it a chance and see what it's about. I have always said it doesn't seem to be much different than I remember from the other times I have watched women's basketball. It's fine...just not that entertaining.

As for Clark I don't think she is as good as the overwhelming hype. She is good for sure but it's not to the hype levels in my opinion.
 
Popping in to express love for Caitlin while making sure to let everybody know that women's basketball sucks is just odd.
I have never done that. The media hype surrounding her has brought me to give it a chance and see what it's about. I have always said it doesn't seem to be much different than I remember from the other times I have watched women's basketball. It's fine...just not that entertaining.

As for Clark I don't think she is as good as the overwhelming hype. She is good for sure but it's not to the hype levels in my opinion.
My apologies. I had thought you were a fan of Caitlin. And maybe even one of those that loves Caitlin, but hates the WNBA.

But if you hate both, you have my respect for consistency and saying it out loud.

With all due respect, sir.....duck!
 
But if you hate both, you have my respect for consistency and saying it out loud.
I don't hate either. You really are jumping to conclusions here.

Its well down the list of something I want to spend tine watching but it's still sports. I enjoy watching sports.

As for Clark, I don't hate her either. From what I have seen I think she is a good player and has a lot of range. Great shooter. I just don't think she matches the unbelievable media hype given to her. That is far from hating her.
 
I finally watched a game last night (Mercury vs Liberty) because the CWS game got postponed and nothing else was on.

It was about what I expected. A slower less athletic version of basketball. It reminded me of a good high school level game.

Griner looked clunky. I thought she would appear more athletic. Stewart can shoot. She looked smooth. Ionesco didn't jump out to me as much as some of the hype I had heard. I thought she would be better. #11 on Phoenix shot well. But what it seemed to me is it was a lot of just open shots. Not a lot of defensive pressure on shots from both sides. Just not enough athleticism to contest shots.

Overall it was fine. Game was close. But the style of play was blah. Kind of clunky at times.

With nothing else on I may watch but it's not going to jump up the list.

Aren't you the same guy who posted a very long post - TWICE - about high school baseball MVPs? Not MLB or minor leagues or even college but HS....and you're now in here denigrarting the WNBA for being inferior? Seems strange to me.
What does that have to do with anything? Two totally unrelated topics with no bearing on each other at all.

I was just giving my opinion on the entertainment value of the WNBA. I wasn't impressed.

It's an observation about you. You waltz in here and take a big dump over a sport you were "forced to watch" because college baseball was postponed. But you're also a guy writing in length - twice in two different forums - asking us to pontificate about high school baseball, which is a sports product up there with chess for entertainment.

I'm not impressed with your post about the WNBA so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
 
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I'm not impressed with your post about the WNBA so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
I give my opinion about something after I watched some of it. I didn't take a dump on it. I said what i saw and it wasn't anything new and matched what many people say about.

No reason to be a **** about it.
 
Sorry for the late post but I actually attended the Fever/Sky game on Saturday as a Father's Day present - my first time seeing CC play in person.
  • With regards to the Reese flagrant foul - Our seats were in row 16 behind the basket where the foul took place. I will agree with what the other poster said earlier. In the fast pace of the play, I didn't even initially catch the blow to the head. Watching the replay, it was a basketball play, but yet it was a unnecessary blow to the head as well. I thought the refs got it exactly right in escalating the common foul to a flagrant 1, but not to a flagrant 2 which would have resulted in an ejection.
  • Reese reminds me of a female Charles Barkley in that she is somewhat undersized but yet she can be dominant inside, especially with rebounding.
  • I thought this was CC's best game as a pro. She wasn't forcing and taking bad shots, she didn't turn the ball over as much, and yet she still finished with a super efficient 21/9/8 and 2 blocks.
  • The Fever still need some pieces around her though for sure. They were destroyed on the boards in the first half. A little before halftime, the Sky had more offensive rebounds than the Fever had total rebounds. They did much better in the 2nd half though.
  • Definitely a fun atmosphere and I will certainly attend some more Fever games!
Interesting fact I heard: The Chicago Sky have played 13 games this seasons so far, and have committed only two flagrant fouls. Both were committed against Caitlan Clark. I guess we can act like that's a coincidence, but it's pretty easy to connect the dots here, IMO.
#LOVETHEVILLIANS!!
 
Sorry for the late post but I actually attended the Fever/Sky game on Saturday as a Father's Day present - my first time seeing CC play in person.
  • With regards to the Reese flagrant foul - Our seats were in row 16 behind the basket where the foul took place. I will agree with what the other poster said earlier. In the fast pace of the play, I didn't even initially catch the blow to the head. Watching the replay, it was a basketball play, but yet it was a unnecessary blow to the head as well. I thought the refs got it exactly right in escalating the common foul to a flagrant 1, but not to a flagrant 2 which would have resulted in an ejection.
  • Reese reminds me of a female Charles Barkley in that she is somewhat undersized but yet she can be dominant inside, especially with rebounding.
  • I thought this was CC's best game as a pro. She wasn't forcing and taking bad shots, she didn't turn the ball over as much, and yet she still finished with a super efficient 21/9/8 and 2 blocks.
  • The Fever still need some pieces around her though for sure. They were destroyed on the boards in the first half. A little before halftime, the Sky had more offensive rebounds than the Fever had total rebounds. They did much better in the 2nd half though.
  • Definitely a fun atmosphere and I will certainly attend some more Fever games!
Interesting fact I heard: The Chicago Sky have played 13 games this seasons so far, and have committed only two flagrant fouls. Both were committed against Caitlan Clark. I guess we can act like that's a coincidence, but it's pretty easy to connect the dots here, IMO.
So you are saying that CC gets whistles that no one else gets? Interesting take…
I didn't say that, but nice try. :lol:
 
I finally watched a game last night (Mercury vs Liberty) because the CWS game got postponed and nothing else was on.

It was about what I expected. A slower less athletic version of basketball. It reminded me of a good high school level game.

Griner looked clunky. I thought she would appear more athletic. Stewart can shoot. She looked smooth. Ionesco didn't jump out to me as much as some of the hype I had heard. I thought she would be better. #11 on Phoenix shot well. But what it seemed to me is it was a lot of just open shots. Not a lot of defensive pressure on shots from both sides. Just not enough athleticism to contest shots.

Overall it was fine. Game was close. But the style of play was blah. Kind of clunky at times.

With nothing else on I may watch but it's not going to jump up the list.

Aren't you the same guy who posted a very long post - TWICE - about high school baseball MVPs? Not MLB or minor leagues or even college but HS....and you're now in here denigrarting the WNBA for being inferior? Seems strange to me.
What does that have to do with anything? Two totally unrelated topics with no bearing on each other at all.

I was just giving my opinion on the entertainment value of the WNBA. I wasn't impressed.

I think the point is that everyone knows women athletes are not as fast or strong as the men so it is somewhat odd when someone feels the need to point that out. If I were posting in the college football thread about a D-3 game between Mount Union and Mary Hardin-Baylor, no one would feel the need to point out that game is a "less athletic version of football" even though we all know those athletes are a shadow of the guys at Ohio St. and Alabama. That's the significance of the reference to high school baseball. If we had a thread here about high school baseball, no one would think it would be helpful or relevant to inform everyone that the game is a less athletic version compared to MLB. When the summer Olympics are underway next month, if someone posts about how awesome Simone Biles is, no one will think its important to note that a male gymnast could do everything she does only much better. That's the odd part for me, not necessarily that you don't find in entertaining, which is an opinion everyone is entitled to.
 
Brink’s injury sucks. The more young stars the better and she was fun to watch on both ends of the floor.

Clark has already set the rookie record for 15-5-5 games in a season and we’re not even halfway through yet. She’s top 20 in points per game, assists per game, and blocks per game. 25th in rebounds per game as well (just one of 4 guards in top 25 for rebounds).
 
I think the point is that everyone knows women athletes are not as fast or strong as the men so it is somewhat odd when someone feels the need to point that out.
Thank you. I get what your saying. I guess I should clarify a bit if that is how my comments came off.

The athleticism compared to what I expected based on the hype out there was less. I was not expecting NBA athleticism and that wasn't what my comparison was based. I didn't make that clear and that is on me.

The game was ok. There was good shooting but I didn't think the defense was very good as there a lot of uncontested shots. Based on a lot of the commentary in this thread and in the media in general my expectations were not met. I expected it to be better. That is not saying it was terrible. Just that it didn't meet my expectations based on the media. Again, my fault for having those expectations.

So while I will watch some games occasionally it's not something I will go out of my way to watch based on what I have seen.

I appreciate your clarification. Very helpful
 
That's the significance of the reference to high school baseball. If we had a thread here about high school baseball, no one would think it would be helpful or relevant to inform everyone that the game is a less athletic version compared to MLB
I get that if my posts were about the quality of high school baseball. That wasn't what I was posting about. I only referenced the level to put the stats in context. It really had nothing to do with level of play.

It had nothing to do with my posting here in any way. It was just a cheap shot that wasn't relevant.
 
„Indiana, which has won five of seven has its first four-game winning streak at home since August of 2015.“

Didn’t know they sucked this bad.
 
„Indiana, which has won five of seven has its first four-game winning streak at home since August of 2015.“

Didn’t know they sucked this bad.
And to demonstrate his dislike for her that he still won't admit, Clark has another great game, and not a peep about it from the guy who talks about the games the most here.

@pollardsvision, instead of playing the "there are other good players in the league worth talking about game" card again, why not just admit that you don't like Clark and are actively rooting against her? I mean, as much as you seem to love this league, you should be lauding over a player like her who is doing well lately and giving the league a lot more visibility, but instead there is radio silence from you when she balls.
 
I'm not impressed with your post about the WNBA so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
I give my opinion about something after I watched some of it. I didn't take a dump on it. I said what i saw and it wasn't anything new and matched what many people say about.

No reason to be a **** about it.

I was being a ***** on purpose because I felt like you jumping in here with this negativity was a ******* move.

We get it, it's not the NBA. I don't want it to be. I'm not watching it because it's an NBA replacement. You coming in here to tell us all that is unnecessary. I think NASCAR is ridiculous; I don't jump into that thread to tell those posters what I think about a sport they enjoy.
 
That's the significance of the reference to high school baseball. If we had a thread here about high school baseball, no one would think it would be helpful or relevant to inform everyone that the game is a less athletic version compared to MLB
I get that if my posts were about the quality of high school baseball. That wasn't what I was posting about. I only referenced the level to put the stats in context. It really had nothing to do with level of play.

It had nothing to do with my posting here in any way. It was just a cheap shot that wasn't relevant.

I agree, it was cheap, but I was agitated. I've said my piece. Peace.
 
I finally watched a game last night (Mercury vs Liberty) because the CWS game got postponed and nothing else was on.

It was about what I expected. A slower less athletic version of basketball. It reminded me of a good high school level game.

Griner looked clunky. I thought she would appear more athletic. Stewart can shoot. She looked smooth. Ionesco didn't jump out to me as much as some of the hype I had heard. I thought she would be better. #11 on Phoenix shot well. But what it seemed to me is it was a lot of just open shots. Not a lot of defensive pressure on shots from both sides. Just not enough athleticism to contest shots.

Overall it was fine. Game was close. But the style of play was blah. Kind of clunky at times.

With nothing else on I may watch but it's not going to jump up the list.

Aren't you the same guy who posted a very long post - TWICE - about high school baseball MVPs? Not MLB or minor leagues or even college but HS....and you're now in here denigrarting the WNBA for being inferior? Seems strange to me.
What does that have to do with anything? Two totally unrelated topics with no bearing on each other at all.

I was just giving my opinion on the entertainment value of the WNBA. I wasn't impressed.

I think the point is that everyone knows women athletes are not as fast or strong as the men so it is somewhat odd when someone feels the need to point that out. If I were posting in the college football thread about a D-3 game between Mount Union and Mary Hardin-Baylor, no one would feel the need to point out that game is a "less athletic version of football" even though we all know those athletes are a shadow of the guys at Ohio St. and Alabama. That's the significance of the reference to high school baseball. If we had a thread here about high school baseball, no one would think it would be helpful or relevant to inform everyone that the game is a less athletic version compared to MLB. When the summer Olympics are underway next month, if someone posts about how awesome Simone Biles is, no one will think its important to note that a male gymnast could do everything she does only much better. That's the odd part for me, not necessarily that you don't find in entertaining, which is an opinion everyone is entitled to.

As always, CM says it better and more diplomatically than me.
 
That's the significance of the reference to high school baseball. If we had a thread here about high school baseball, no one would think it would be helpful or relevant to inform everyone that the game is a less athletic version compared to MLB
I get that if my posts were about the quality of high school baseball. That wasn't what I was posting about. I only referenced the level to put the stats in context. It really had nothing to do with level of play.

It had nothing to do with my posting here in any way. It was just a cheap shot that wasn't relevant.
i mean in all fairness i have never understood why people who dont like a subject topic come into a thread about that subject topic and say they dont like it or denigrate women in a womens sports thread i mean we saw that from the usual suspects like ministrone and the fashion guy looking for a job in the original thread and you just sort of expect that stuff from guys like that but gally i never really took you for a guy like that so im going to chalk this all up as a big misunderstanding but i suspect that is what got some peoples hackles up take that to the bank brochachos
 
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That's the significance of the reference to high school baseball. If we had a thread here about high school baseball, no one would think it would be helpful or relevant to inform everyone that the game is a less athletic version compared to MLB
I get that if my posts were about the quality of high school baseball. That wasn't what I was posting about. I only referenced the level to put the stats in context. It really had nothing to do with level of play.

It had nothing to do with my posting here in any way. It was just a cheap shot that wasn't relevant.
i mean in all fairness i have never understood why people who dont like a subject topic come into a thread about that subject topic and say they dont like it or denigrate women in a womens sports thread i mean we saw that from the usual suspects like ministrone and the fashion guy looking for a job in the original thread and you just sort of expect that stuff from guys like that but gally i never really took you for a guy like that so im going to chalk this all up as a big misunderstanding but i suspect that is what got some peoples hackles up take that to the bank brochachos
I have re-read what I wrote and I don't think I was that harsh on the sport. I said what my impressions were. I have since clarified that my comments were not meant to be comparative to the NBA and it was strictly based on expectations brought on from reading this thread and other media articles on the WNBA. I am confused by the extent of the backlash I have received for actually watching the sport recently and giving my thoughts on the entertainment I got out of it. I gave compliments to the shooting (it was good) and identified a few players I thought played well as well as a couple that fell short of my expectations. Overall I said it was fine but that it didn't rise above other sports for me if I had to choose.

I am open to new sports and new evaluations to sports such as the WNBA. Reading this thread peaked my interest to the point that I watched a game. I wouldn't have watched the game if not for this thread. Isn't that what this thread is for? After doing that I reported back about what I liked and didn't like. I failed in not clarifying that my comments were comparative based on my expectations brought on by the media hype and hype from this thread and that I didn't mean it to be a direct comparison to the NBA. That is on me for sure.

I didn't think my comments were overly derogatory or rose to a level to justify the backlash I received. Pretty harsh to vilify a possible new fan based on their comments about one game (comments that weren't harsh at all)
 
I am probably never going to find the time to watch a full game (I also don't watch a full NBA or college game either - most of my sports TV time is taken up by soccer and F1).

But, I will catch an occasional highlight or two - and just happened to watch the closing minute of the Atlanta/Indiana game (its an 8-minute video...) - but came away very impressed with Boston's leadership both with her play and vocally - impressive given that she is also relatively young.


 
Finishing up the Storm-Aces game from last night.
I hated to see them take it to my beloved Storm (though Nneka and Ezi were getting it done), but man, an "almost healthy" Aces team is just breathtaking.

A'Ja is A'ja of course. Jackie Young freed up from having to deal with the ball handling duties? She drops 32 and just completely shuts down last year's scoring leader defensively. She's just amazing.

And Chelsea Gray. I've never watched much of her, but long time WNBA fans call her the "Point Gawd" and she's generally considered the 2nd best pure PG ever (behind her coach). Just 15 minutes last night, but she's something else and a lot of fun to watch.

If any of us old farts stood on a pitcher's mound with a full wind up, I don't think we could get as much zip on a basketball as Gray does on a behind the back pass. And such a swagger.
Excited to watch her more.

The Sun, Liberty, Lynx, and Mercury can do whatever and the Aces may barely be .500, but I'll believe somebody's taking the trophy out of a healthy Aces' hands when I see it.
 
And speaking of the Sky, for all the talk about whether or not the WNBA will squander this opportunity.

Wanna take a guess on who plays again this Sunday afternoon (4:00 on ESPN)? Won't be long before the entire country is forced to watch the stupid Cowboys in that TV slot every week again.

NBA must be so thankful they spared themselves from getting slaughtered these 2 Sunday afternoons.
 
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Early All-Star voting results are in

If the fans have their way (they count 50%), the AS Game will be Team USA vs. the Indiana Fever and Kate Martin.

As much as I love the Team USA vs Team WNBA format, the voting is stupid and confusing, The Olympians will be in the All-Star game no matter what, so it's really weird that they are included on the All-Star ballots.

In theory, people "should" be voting for the team they want to see play against the Olympic team. There's only 12 spots up for grabs, and a good chunk of the votes are going to players who are already in the game.

And it's also not clear whether an Olympian that plays in the All-Star game will be counted as an All-Star if they don't get voted in. It would seem like they would be, but there's no clear answer.
 
That Dallas-Chicago game is a good example of why this league is so awesome.

Only 144 roster spots. Only 40 games. There are no nights off in this League (although this was a day game). It's a nearly impossible league to get into it. And compared to men, they are a lot more likely to lose a year to injury or pregnancy. Ain't nobody taking minutes on the court for granted.

Dallas is a veteran team just having one of those injury-riddled seasons from hell.

Down 22 on the road in the fourth quarter. In a lot of leagues that's a good time to pack it in, but not in the W.

Arike blows up and makes a game of it.
 
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Or Liberty-Mercury.

Taurasi has been at this 20 years and seen it all. She's out there celebrating a mid-season win like it's the Finals.
 
Atlanta really ain't got it tonight, and it's bleak without their best player.

But this being the WNBA, decent chance they make a game of it.

Hard to imagine with Nalyssa and Kelsey playing like this though.
 
I believe the original thread was started with „Caitlin Clark is earning 78k.“
Anyone who sells out a 17k arena should be on more. Let’s hope they improve the whole wage scale of the league.
 
Angel Reese with the triple-double-dribble



(Sound off - the cackle is annoying)

Ok, so I think she just carried it once with no double dribble. The first time she touches it with both hands is right after the steal and is actually allowable as a “gather”. The second time she doesn’t ever actually contact the ball with both hands at the same time. It’s close, but she actually just transfers it from one hand to the other.

Of course it’s still a pretty egregious carry/travel that should have been called. In general, the WNBA refs don’t seem that great. With the players only making $78k a year, I’m sure the refs are making even less, so we shouldn’t be surprised if they’re not very good.
 
I believe the original thread was started with „Caitlin Clark is earning 78k.“
Anyone who sells out a 17k arena should be on more. Let’s hope they improve the whole wage scale of the league.
The timing of all of this is incredibly important.

The players are about to opt out of the CBA, and it will end after 2025. They've been eyeing this for a long time, in fact I think nearly every veteran contract ends in 2025.

Who knows how it shakes out but certainly some changes are coming.
 
And speaking of getting these women more money, the story of the Aces and Vegas Convention and Visitor's Authority is pretty interesting.

They made a big announcement saying they wanted to give each one of the Aces players a $100,000 sponsorship deal. A huge deal for these women.

But they messed up on the announcement and said the only thing they ask in return is for them to keep playing basketball for the Las Vegas Aces.

Which doesn't sound so much like sponsorship deal and more like a way to circumvent the salary cap.

It sounds like they're still going to get their money. But they've got to go back and make it look a little bit more like a sponsorship deal.
 

The WNBA’s Atlanta Dream typically play in a 3,500-seat arena.

But for tonight’s game against Caitlin Clark and the Indiana Fever, they moved it to the nearby NBA arena.

The game sold out and set a franchise record with 17,575 fans in attendance.

Crazy.
 

The WNBA’s Atlanta Dream typically play in a 3,500-seat arena.

But for tonight’s game against Caitlin Clark and the Indiana Fever, they moved it to the nearby NBA arena.

The game sold out and set a franchise record with 17,575 fans in attendance.

Crazy.
Regarding WNBA salaries I think the only conclusive statement that can be made right now is that Clark is vastly underpaid relative to the salaries and financial impact of her peers.
 
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The Lynx are something else.

Mercury have been on fire since Griner got healthy, and the Lynx hold them to 60 freaking points.
Nobody expected much from the coming into the season. Seemed like Phee and a bunch of question marks.
But they can dominate offensively and defensively.

It's funny watching them, it's like they have a never-ending stream of long-lanky Europeans that can shoot and defend.

I think McBride and Alanna Smith should be All Stars but I don't think they're going to make it.
 
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