*** Official 2024 Atlantic Hurricane Season Thread *** Post Helene and Milton (2 Viewers)

[Chemical X]

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One of the aspects of climate topics is just how expensive insurance is. There are parts of NC that simply are washed away.

166 now dead.

when i lived near raleigh, i was near a 100 year flood plain or whatever it was called. i think around 2017-2018 or whenever the hurricane that flooded houston came along, i began purchasing flood insurance. it is likely <.05% chance of occurring, but mine cost <$500 annually and i suppose it provided piece of mind. i got spooked that something could come along like this. anyone in this thread should seriously consider flood insurance, regardless of location IMO. the devastation is crazy, but having that flood insurance in your back pocket at least gives you a fighting chance.

It does but don't expect it to replace your home as is. I was in a flood in 90's when we lived in Findlay, OH (which subsequently had a very bad not too long ago). We had to have flood insurance because a good portion of Findlay is built on a flood plane. We had a nice fully furnished basement that got flooded. I had put the appliances up on boxes so they didn't get water but all the paneling, carpet and bar were ruined. The adjuster came out and said he would cover the appliances if there was damage but other than that, flood insurance wasn't going to cover anything so we got $0. Had to takeout a small business loan to redo our basement. Read the fine print on the policy.

i think basement spaces are excluded except for appliances and hvac type equipment. obviously, subterranean has a special consideration. in my area, it was all slab/crawl space.

 

[Max Power]

I'm hearing some pretty rough stories coming out of that area lately. Mostly about people trapped in back road areas where friends and family are trying to go in and rescue them, but local authorities are preventing them from going in because it's not safe. At the same time the local authorities don't have the resources to recover the stranded people right now. The frustration seems to be boiling up.

 

[beer 30]

I'm hearing some pretty rough stories coming out of that area lately. Mostly about people trapped in back road areas where friends and family are trying to go in and rescue them, but local authorities are preventing them from going in because it's not safe. At the same time the local authorities don't have the resources to recover the stranded people right now. The frustration seems to be boiling up.

Reading a lot of anecdotal stories of the same on X so taking with a grain of salt. If true, going to cause a lot of bad blood obviously. Only one I've seen really documented is the private pilot who flew his helicopter up there to help and got told by the local fire chief if they see him again they would arrest him because he was interfering with their operations. Link 1 Link 2 - his words

Side note - who had Greg Biffle as the guy leading the charge to help people out in the mountains on their bingo card? He was there very early on and is still getting after it.

Side note II - FEMA stating they will not have enough funding to last the hurricane season is not a good thing.

 

[Sand]

Side note II - FEMA stating they will not have enough funding to last the hurricane season is not a good thing.

Lots of articles around about this. Significant amounts of money have been diverted for immigrant housing.

 

[beer 30]

Side note II - FEMA stating they will not have enough funding to last the hurricane season is not a good thing.

Lots of articles around about this. Significant amounts of money have been diverted for immigrant housing.

Yea, decided to not go there here. I read all the stuff too. We got piles of money in this country, pretty sure we can figure this out.

 

[3C's]

I’ll tone it down a bit with the vitriol toward any “fear mongering” or general annoyance regarding excessive preparation for these storms.

This one was really bad. 100 killed. 600 missing. Unimaginable property damage. Just horrible.

I understand where you're coming from. I wouldn't tell folks not to prep for an event but if you live in FL/LA/TX along a coast, you probably get a bit more cavalier with your preps than some because you're just more accustom to having to deal with it. The thing with this is a lot of these folks are in the mountains, high up in the mountains. There had some forewarning but Helene moved fast comparatively and no one was predicting what happened in NC & TN. And even if you do prep, what are going to do when a wall of water inundates the town where you live and wipes out almost every means of escape from the situation. There aren't 8 lane highways leading to these spots, a lot of them there aren't paved roads. It's just a terrible situation that I'm not sure you could prepare properly for even if you had time to do so.

Now the response to send help, that's a different story. I haven't checked today but Fort Liberty (formerly Bragg) is about 300 miles away and as far as I know, there hasn't been anything out of there yet which just baffles me. Local pilots are donating time and helicopters to get supplies in & people out but this is shaping up to be East Palestine/Katrinaesque if it's not there already.

From Ft. Liberty... There will be some generators sent that way, but this falls more at the feet of the National Guard. I'm pretty sure Gov. Cooper gave the thumbs up to mobilize them.

Liberty is focused on Iran potentially striking Israel today. It's elevated to high alert status for us right now.

White Devils are going (from what I heard).

 

[Kilgore Trout]

@Kilgore Trout - How are you doing buddy?? Thinking of you and your family.

Thanks Hack. We're one of the lucky ones, house is fine and we're safe. But I'm only a degree or two away from people who have lost homes, and worse, lives. This week has been chaotic, was able to drive down to Charlotte to regroup and returned the following day with supplies my friends needed. I finally have power, but there is no timetable for the return of water. I spent part of the day scoping out creeks near the house for a reliable source of toilet water. Thankfully it seems that our area is finally getting the help it needs and many folks are banding together. But the area will never be the same. Not the most important thing, but some of my favorite breweries are gone, and some will never come back. I don't know how many small businesses will be able to stay afloat with the possibility of 4 weeks or more without water.

 

[Gatorade]

Side note II - FEMA stating they will not have enough funding to last the hurricane season is not a good thing.

Lots of articles around about this. Significant amounts of money have been diverted for immigrant housing.

FEMA is authorizing $750 per person in emergency aid now and they are out of money for any more emergencies. Yet, in the last 20 months FEMA has spent over $1 billion dollars to house illegal migrants. Shameful. US citizens need and deserve help in this situation.

 

[3C's]

The areas shaded dark blue/purple in this graphic all had a greater than 1000 year rain event.

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[Senor Schmutzig]

I'm hearing some pretty rough stories coming out of that area lately. Mostly about people trapped in back road areas where friends and family are trying to go in and rescue them, but local authorities are preventing them from going in because it's not safe. At the same time the local authorities don't have the resources to recover the stranded people right now. The frustration seems to be boiling up.

Reading a lot of anecdotal stories of the same on X so taking with a grain of salt. If true, going to cause a lot of bad blood obviously. Only one I've seen really documented is the private pilot who flew his helicopter up there to help and got told by the local fire chief if they see him again they would arrest him because he was interfering with their operations. Link 1 Link 2 - his words

Side note - who had Greg Biffle as the guy leading the charge to help people out in the mountains on their bingo card? He was there very early on and is still getting after it.

Side note II - FEMA stating they will not have enough funding to last the hurricane season is not a good thing.

to Greg Biffle. I had to click on the link to figure out why that name sounded familiar.

 

[Senor Schmutzig]

The areas shaded dark blue/purple in this graphic all had a greater than 1000 year rain event.

They really need to re-calibrate these 100-year, 1000-year etc. events. They are happening way too often for those terms to be used anymore...

 

[3C's]

The areas shaded dark blue/purple in this graphic all had a greater than 1000 year rain event.

They really need to re-calibrate these 100-year, 1000-year etc. events. They are happening way too often for those terms to be used anymore...

If the rain today is more than the rain yesterday which was a 1000 year event the rain today is a 1000 year event, no?

 

[Senor Schmutzig]

The areas shaded dark blue/purple in this graphic all had a greater than 1000 year rain event.

They really need to re-calibrate these 100-year, 1000-year etc. events. They are happening way too often for those terms to be used anymore...

If the rain today is more than the rain yesterday which was a 1000 year event the rain today is a 1000 year event, no?

 

[Capella]

Side note II - FEMA stating they will not have enough funding to last the hurricane season is not a good thing.

Lots of articles around about this. Significant amounts of money have been diverted for immigrant housing.

FEMA is authorizing $750 per person in emergency aid now and they are out of money for any more emergencies. Yet, in the last 20 months FEMA has spent over $1 billion dollars to house illegal migrants. Shameful. US citizens need and deserve help in this situation.

Simply not true at all.

The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is a completely separate, appropriated grant program that was authorized and funded by Congress and is not associated in any way with FEMA’s disaster-related authorities or funding streams,” a Homeland Security spokesperson told Newsweek,

The claims, however, are not true: The $640 million earmarked for migrant humanitarian services during the 2024 fiscal year was approved by Congress for FEMA’s Shelter and Services Program, a wholly separate and unrelated initiative to the agency’s Disaster Relief Program.

 

[culdeus]

The areas shaded dark blue/purple in this graphic all had a greater than 1000 year rain event.

They really need to re-calibrate these 100-year, 1000-year etc. events. They are happening way too often for those terms to be used anymore...

They get calibrated every year. The baseline is the 30 year prior period.

 

[Gatorade]

Side note II - FEMA stating they will not have enough funding to last the hurricane season is not a good thing.

Lots of articles around about this. Significant amounts of money have been diverted for immigrant housing.

FEMA is authorizing $750 per person in emergency aid now and they are out of money for any more emergencies. Yet, in the last 20 months FEMA has spent over $1 billion dollars to house illegal migrants. Shameful. US citizens need and deserve help in this situation.

Simply not true at all.

The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is a completely separate, appropriated grant program that was authorized and funded by Congress and is not associated in any way with FEMA’s disaster-related authorities or funding streams,” a Homeland Security spokesperson told Newsweek,

The claims, however, are not true: The $640 million earmarked for migrant humanitarian services during the 2024 fiscal year was approved by Congress for FEMA’s Shelter and Services Program, a wholly separate and unrelated initiative to the agency’s Disaster Relief Program.

I know it is a separate program, but it is still run but FEMA. It is shameful that Congress authorized this program, but FEMA is running out of money for actual disasters that effect US citizens.

 

[culdeus]

Side note II - FEMA stating they will not have enough funding to last the hurricane season is not a good thing.

Lots of articles around about this. Significant amounts of money have been diverted for immigrant housing.

FEMA is authorizing $750 per person in emergency aid now and they are out of money for any more emergencies. Yet, in the last 20 months FEMA has spent over $1 billion dollars to house illegal migrants. Shameful. US citizens need and deserve help in this situation.

Simply not true at all.

The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is a completely separate, appropriated grant program that was authorized and funded by Congress and is not associated in any way with FEMA’s disaster-related authorities or funding streams,” a Homeland Security spokesperson told Newsweek,

The claims, however, are not true: The $640 million earmarked for migrant humanitarian services during the 2024 fiscal year was approved by Congress for FEMA’s Shelter and Services Program, a wholly separate and unrelated initiative to the agency’s Disaster Relief Program.

I know it is a separate program, but it is still run but FEMA. It is shameful that Congress authorized this program, but FEMA is running out of money for actual disasters that effect US citizens.

This is just another distraction. We just print more money and the problem is solved. The lack of money today is stopping exactly nothing.

 

[Max Power]

Listening to local news last night, only 30% of the residents in western NC had flood insurance. They weren't in a high risk flood area, so for cost savings they declined coverage. There will also be some coverage concerns because mud and landslides will not be covered meaning a lot of homeowners just lost everything and won't get made whole again.

 

[Gatorade]

Side note II - FEMA stating they will not have enough funding to last the hurricane season is not a good thing.

Lots of articles around about this. Significant amounts of money have been diverted for immigrant housing.

FEMA is authorizing $750 per person in emergency aid now and they are out of money for any more emergencies. Yet, in the last 20 months FEMA has spent over $1 billion dollars to house illegal migrants. Shameful. US citizens need and deserve help in this situation.

Simply not true at all.

The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is a completely separate, appropriated grant program that was authorized and funded by Congress and is not associated in any way with FEMA’s disaster-related authorities or funding streams,” a Homeland Security spokesperson told Newsweek,

The claims, however, are not true: The $640 million earmarked for migrant humanitarian services during the 2024 fiscal year was approved by Congress for FEMA’s Shelter and Services Program, a wholly separate and unrelated initiative to the agency’s Disaster Relief Program.

I know it is a separate program, but it is still run but FEMA. It is shameful that Congress authorized this program, but FEMA is running out of money for actual disasters that effect US citizens.

This is just another distraction. We just print more money and the problem is solved. The lack of money today is stopping exactly nothing.

Oh boy. Just what we need. Print more money and cause more inflation.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

This $750 thing comes up every single year during hurricane season. How is it we are still getting how it works wrong and how it gets changed wrong? Bills have been presented to change the law the last couple years and not been allowed out of the House. Start by looking there. Until that changes the law is the law.

 

[3C's]

Listening to local news last night, only 30% of the residents in western NC had flood insurance. They weren't in a high risk flood area, so for cost savings they declined coverage. There will also be some coverage concerns because mud and landslides will not be covered meaning a lot of homeowners just lost everything and won't get made whole again.

I saw a post somewhere, probably X, that said it's even lower than that.

 

[beer 30]

I know it is a separate program, but it is still run but FEMA. It is shameful that Congress authorized this program, but FEMA is running out of money for actual disasters that effect US citizens.

Sometimes you gotta say it to help people understand.

Listening to local news last night, only 30% of the residents in western NC had flood insurance. They weren't in a high risk flood area, so for cost savings they declined coverage. There will also be some coverage concerns because mud and landslides will not be covered meaning a lot of homeowners just lost everything and won't get made whole again.

Even if they did have flood insurance (and who has flood insurance on a freaking mountain?) it isn't replacing their homes board for board. It's better than not having but it isn't like comprehensive home insurance you would get from State Farm or somebody like that. It's all funded and run by the government so it's bare bones replacement. A lot of folks aren't coming back from this.

 

[Max Power]

Listening to local news last night, only 30% of the residents in western NC had flood insurance. They weren't in a high risk flood area, so for cost savings they declined coverage. There will also be some coverage concerns because mud and landslides will not be covered meaning a lot of homeowners just lost everything and won't get made whole again.

I saw a post somewhere, probably X, that said it's even lower than that.

I can't be too hard on the people who passed on it. You think you're a low risk and easy way to save several hundred dollars a year. Then come to find out even those who had flood insurance will likely have their damages attributed to mud-slides.

 

[beer 30]

I can't be too hard on the people who passed on it. You think you're a low risk and easy way to save several hundred dollars a year. Then come to find out even those who had flood insurance will likely have their damages attributed to mud-slides.

I lived smack in the middle of a flood plain and were it not required by my mortgage company, I probably wouldn't have had it. It was $800/yr in 1994. For a first time homeowner with a newborn, 800 bones I coulda used someplace else. I don't imagine it's gotten cheaper since then.

 

[culdeus]

Side note II - FEMA stating they will not have enough funding to last the hurricane season is not a good thing.

Lots of articles around about this. Significant amounts of money have been diverted for immigrant housing.

FEMA is authorizing $750 per person in emergency aid now and they are out of money for any more emergencies. Yet, in the last 20 months FEMA has spent over $1 billion dollars to house illegal migrants. Shameful. US citizens need and deserve help in this situation.

Simply not true at all.

The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is a completely separate, appropriated grant program that was authorized and funded by Congress and is not associated in any way with FEMA’s disaster-related authorities or funding streams,” a Homeland Security spokesperson told Newsweek,

The claims, however, are not true: The $640 million earmarked for migrant humanitarian services during the 2024 fiscal year was approved by Congress for FEMA’s Shelter and Services Program, a wholly separate and unrelated initiative to the agency’s Disaster Relief Program.

I know it is a separate program, but it is still run but FEMA. It is shameful that Congress authorized this program, but FEMA is running out of money for actual disasters that effect US citizens.

This is just another distraction. We just print more money and the problem is solved. The lack of money today is stopping exactly nothing.

Oh boy. Just what we need. Print more money and cause more inflation.

Climate change will be the largest inflationary force the planet has ever seen. It's just getting started too.

 

[beer 30]

Listening to local news last night, only 30% of the residents in western NC had flood insurance. They weren't in a high risk flood area, so for cost savings they declined coverage. There will also be some coverage concerns because mud and landslides will not be covered meaning a lot of homeowners just lost everything and won't get made whole again.

I saw a post somewhere, probably X, that said it's even lower than that.

Just saw this article in the Morning Brew update, 2% or less had flood insurance.

 

[Max Power]

Listening to local news last night, only 30% of the residents in western NC had flood insurance. They weren't in a high risk flood area, so for cost savings they declined coverage. There will also be some coverage concerns because mud and landslides will not be covered meaning a lot of homeowners just lost everything and won't get made whole again.

I saw a post somewhere, probably X, that said it's even lower than that.

Just saw this article in the Morning Brew update, 2% or less had flood insurance.

Are there estimates on how many people will be displaced due to Helene?

 

[beer 30]

Listening to local news last night, only 30% of the residents in western NC had flood insurance. They weren't in a high risk flood area, so for cost savings they declined coverage. There will also be some coverage concerns because mud and landslides will not be covered meaning a lot of homeowners just lost everything and won't get made whole again.

I saw a post somewhere, probably X, that said it's even lower than that.

Just saw this article in the Morning Brew update, 2% or less had flood insurance.

Are there estimates on how many people will be displaced due to Helene?

Not that I've seen for NC/TN but to say all of them and then start to walk it back probably isn't a bad place to start. The homes that are in tact, you can't get to. The ones that aren't, probably got rocked pretty good. Lot of vacation/rental places up there so who knows how many were even permanently occupied? This video particularly caught my attention showing the before and after.

 

[Capella]

Side note II - FEMA stating they will not have enough funding to last the hurricane season is not a good thing.

Lots of articles around about this. Significant amounts of money have been diverted for immigrant housing.

FEMA is authorizing $750 per person in emergency aid now and they are out of money for any more emergencies. Yet, in the last 20 months FEMA has spent over $1 billion dollars to house illegal migrants. Shameful. US citizens need and deserve help in this situation.

Simply not true at all.

The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is a completely separate, appropriated grant program that was authorized and funded by Congress and is not associated in any way with FEMA’s disaster-related authorities or funding streams,” a Homeland Security spokesperson told Newsweek,

The claims, however, are not true: The $640 million earmarked for migrant humanitarian services during the 2024 fiscal year was approved by Congress for FEMA’s Shelter and Services Program, a wholly separate and unrelated initiative to the agency’s Disaster Relief Program.

I know it is a separate program, but it is still run but FEMA. It is shameful that Congress authorized this program, but FEMA is running out of money for actual disasters that effect US citizens.

Congress just approved 20 billion for them in the new short term spending package. Idk where you are getting your news from man.

 

[Max Power]

Side note II - FEMA stating they will not have enough funding to last the hurricane season is not a good thing.

Lots of articles around about this. Significant amounts of money have been diverted for immigrant housing.

FEMA is authorizing $750 per person in emergency aid now and they are out of money for any more emergencies. Yet, in the last 20 months FEMA has spent over $1 billion dollars to house illegal migrants. Shameful. US citizens need and deserve help in this situation.

Simply not true at all.

The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is a completely separate, appropriated grant program that was authorized and funded by Congress and is not associated in any way with FEMA’s disaster-related authorities or funding streams,” a Homeland Security spokesperson told Newsweek,

The claims, however, are not true: The $640 million earmarked for migrant humanitarian services during the 2024 fiscal year was approved by Congress for FEMA’s Shelter and Services Program, a wholly separate and unrelated initiative to the agency’s Disaster Relief Program.

I know it is a separate program, but it is still run but FEMA. It is shameful that Congress authorized this program, but FEMA is running out of money for actual disasters that effect US citizens.

Congress just approved 20 billion for them in the new short term spending package. Idk where you are getting your news from man.

Mayorkas said yesterday that FEMA won't have the money to get through the Hurricane season. The 20B helps, but there are also talks of asking Congress for additional funds on top of the $20B.

 

[Chemical X]

The government annually spends $25billion on NASA’s budget. It’s not a political football, so no one really cares. FYI, $25billion is less than a 1/2% of our entire budget. I don’t want to get into trouble or a this and that but, every time there is a one off disaster, we can not expect the government to print money to cover losses. When does it stop? Fires? Hurricanes? Floods? Maybe I am still sullied by the whole PPP thing. The entire situation sucks all around, but blaming the government for what they are and aren’t doing is a rinse repeat effort that really does nothing. My .02.

 

[culdeus]

The Hurricane season appears for all intents over for anything major hitting CONUS.

 

[Desert_Power]

@Kilgore Trout - How are you doing buddy?? Thinking of you and your family.

Thanks Hack. We're one of the lucky ones, house is fine and we're safe. But I'm only a degree or two away from people who have lost homes, and worse, lives. This week has been chaotic, was able to drive down to Charlotte to regroup and returned the following day with supplies my friends needed. I finally have power, but there is no timetable for the return of water. I spent part of the day scoping out creeks near the house for a reliable source of toilet water. Thankfully it seems that our area is finally getting the help it needs and many folks are banding together. But the area will never be the same. Not the most important thing, but some of my favorite breweries are gone, and some will never come back. I don't know how many small businesses will be able to stay afloat with the possibility of 4 weeks or more without water.

Great to hear. We've got a Burial location down in Charlotte now, shoot me a PM if you want to grab one during your next supply run.

 

[culdeus]

The government annually spends $25billion on NASA’s budget. It’s not a political football, so no one really cares. FYI, $25billion is less than a 1/2% of our entire budget. I don’t want to get into trouble or a this and that but, every time there is a one off disaster, we can not expect the government to print money to cover losses. When does it stop? Fires? Hurricanes? Floods? Maybe I am still sullied by the whole PPP thing. The entire situation sucks all around, but blaming the government for what they are and aren’t doing is a rinse repeat effort that really does nothing. My .02.

I mean you could tax people that use gas to fill their cars up to pay for it, driving down consumption demand for gas. Or just print money and drive inflation. Pretty sure which one polls better.

 

[beer 30]

The government annually spends $25billion on NASA’s budget. It’s not a political football, so no one really cares. FYI, $25billion is less than a 1/2% of our entire budget. I don’t want to get into trouble or a this and that but, every time there is a one off disaster, we can not expect the government to print money to cover losses. When does it stop? Fires? Hurricanes? Floods? Maybe I am still sullied by the whole PPP thing. The entire situation sucks all around, but blaming the government for what they are and aren’t doing is a rinse repeat effort that really does nothing. My .02.

I don't disagree with you. I think you see this a lot with these large emergency response events like Helene. We're never prepared for the immediate aftermath because each one is unique and different. What happened to New Orleans is completely different than what is happening in the mountains. It takes time to move the equipment they need to address the needs there and you need to make roads as you go. Can we do better? Yea absolutely and they will take what they learn from this and hopefully improve the response plan just like they did after Katrina.

Unfortunately people are dying waiting on the government to ride in and save the day. I'm sorry to say that isn't going to happen no matter how much money you give FEMA. You have to plan your survival, then your neighborhood needs to plan their survival then your community and on and on. The first 3-5 days of any disaster you should just plan to be on your own because chances are good, other than local resources, nobody is coming to save you. Can you be ready for everything? No, especially in an area where 90% of the revenue is generated by tourism. A lot of the folks in the mountains are there on vacation. You aren't packing pallets of water, MRE's and packs of TP for a weekend in the mountains. It's a **** situation but that's how disasters work. They don't ever seem to be convenient.

 

[Max Power]

The government annually spends $25billion on NASA’s budget. It’s not a political football, so no one really cares. FYI, $25billion is less than a 1/2% of our entire budget. I don’t want to get into trouble or a this and that but, every time there is a one off disaster, we can not expect the government to print money to cover losses. When does it stop? Fires? Hurricanes? Floods? Maybe I am still sullied by the whole PPP thing. The entire situation sucks all around, but blaming the government for what they are and aren’t doing is a rinse repeat effort that really does nothing. My .02.

I don't disagree with you. I think you see this a lot with these large emergency response events like Helene. We're never prepared for the immediate aftermath because each one is unique and different. What happened to New Orleans is completely different than what is happening in the mountains. It takes time to move the equipment they need to address the needs there and you need to make roads as you go. Can we do better? Yea absolutely and they will take what they learn from this and hopefully improve the response plan just like they did after Katrina.

Unfortunately people are dying waiting on the government to ride in and save the day. I'm sorry to say that isn't going to happen no matter how much money you give FEMA. You have to plan your survival, then your neighborhood needs to plan their survival then your community and on and on. The first 3-5 days of any disaster you should just plan to be on your own because chances are good, other than local resources, nobody is coming to save you. Can you be ready for everything? No, especially in an area where 90% of the revenue is generated by tourism. A lot of the folks in the mountains are there on vacation. You aren't packing pallets of water, MRE's and packs of TP for a weekend in the mountains. It's a **** situation but that's how disasters work. They don't ever seem to be convenient.

This is a good post. What bugs me are the stories circulating of the government not letting people in to help. There are volunteer search and rescue teams who are proficient at these things being told to stand down. I can't understand that.

 

[culdeus]

0/40 Campeche 0/20 wave.

 

[beer 30]

The government annually spends $25billion on NASA’s budget. It’s not a political football, so no one really cares. FYI, $25billion is less than a 1/2% of our entire budget. I don’t want to get into trouble or a this and that but, every time there is a one off disaster, we can not expect the government to print money to cover losses. When does it stop? Fires? Hurricanes? Floods? Maybe I am still sullied by the whole PPP thing. The entire situation sucks all around, but blaming the government for what they are and aren’t doing is a rinse repeat effort that really does nothing. My .02.

I don't disagree with you. I think you see this a lot with these large emergency response events like Helene. We're never prepared for the immediate aftermath because each one is unique and different. What happened to New Orleans is completely different than what is happening in the mountains. It takes time to move the equipment they need to address the needs there and you need to make roads as you go. Can we do better? Yea absolutely and they will take what they learn from this and hopefully improve the response plan just like they did after Katrina.

Unfortunately people are dying waiting on the government to ride in and save the day. I'm sorry to say that isn't going to happen no matter how much money you give FEMA. You have to plan your survival, then your neighborhood needs to plan their survival then your community and on and on. The first 3-5 days of any disaster you should just plan to be on your own because chances are good, other than local resources, nobody is coming to save you. Can you be ready for everything? No, especially in an area where 90% of the revenue is generated by tourism. A lot of the folks in the mountains are there on vacation. You aren't packing pallets of water, MRE's and packs of TP for a weekend in the mountains. It's a **** situation but that's how disasters work. They don't ever seem to be convenient.

This is a good post. What bugs me are the stories circulating of the government not letting people in to help. There are volunteer search and rescue teams who are proficient at these things being told to stand down. I can't understand that.

Same, nobody better to have in the mountains than the locals. X is covered up with these stories of being turned away or supplies confiscated or not being allowed because they aren't on the FEMA Approved Supplier list. In fact there is so much of it on X it makes me wonder how much are bots just trying to foment unrest because I know there is help arriving there, from the National Guard, FEMA, local charities and Greg freakin' Biffle. Methinks they protest too much...

 

[IvanKaramazov]

The government annually spends $25billion on NASA’s budget. It’s not a political football, so no one really cares. FYI, $25billion is less than a 1/2% of our entire budget. I don’t want to get into trouble or a this and that but, every time there is a one off disaster, we can not expect the government to print money to cover losses. When does it stop? Fires? Hurricanes? Floods? Maybe I am still sullied by the whole PPP thing. The entire situation sucks all around, but blaming the government for what they are and aren’t doing is a rinse repeat effort that really does nothing. My .02.

I don't disagree with you. I think you see this a lot with these large emergency response events like Helene. We're never prepared for the immediate aftermath because each one is unique and different. What happened to New Orleans is completely different than what is happening in the mountains. It takes time to move the equipment they need to address the needs there and you need to make roads as you go. Can we do better? Yea absolutely and they will take what they learn from this and hopefully improve the response plan just like they did after Katrina.

Unfortunately people are dying waiting on the government to ride in and save the day. I'm sorry to say that isn't going to happen no matter how much money you give FEMA. You have to plan your survival, then your neighborhood needs to plan their survival then your community and on and on. The first 3-5 days of any disaster you should just plan to be on your own because chances are good, other than local resources, nobody is coming to save you. Can you be ready for everything? No, especially in an area where 90% of the revenue is generated by tourism. A lot of the folks in the mountains are there on vacation. You aren't packing pallets of water, MRE's and packs of TP for a weekend in the mountains. It's a **** situation but that's how disasters work. They don't ever seem to be convenient.

This is a good post. What bugs me are the stories circulating of the government not letting people in to help. There are volunteer search and rescue teams who are proficient at these things being told to stand down. I can't understand that.

Same, nobody better to have in the mountains than the locals. X is covered up with these stories of being turned away or supplies confiscated or not being allowed because they aren't on the FEMA Approved Supplier list. In fact there is so much of it on X it makes me wonder how much are bots just trying to foment unrest because I know there is help arriving there, from the National Guard, FEMA, local charities and Greg freakin' Biffle. Methinks they protest too much...

I'm seeing some of the same things, and I'm reserving judgement for the time being. Obviously the media isn't going to touch this with a ten-foot pole, but eventually we'll have a more accurate idea on what the federal response was like. Too much "fog of war" right now.

 

[3C's]

Milton on the way

 

[culdeus]

Showers and thunderstorms associated with a broad area of low pressure located over the southwestern Gulf of Mexico are gradually becoming better organized. Development of this system is expected, and a tropical depression or storm is likely to form later today or on Sunday while it moves slowly eastward over the southwestern Gulf of Mexico. By early next week, the system is forecast to move faster eastward or northeastward across the central and eastern Gulf of Mexico where additional strengthening is likely. Interests on the Yucatan peninsula of Mexico, the Florida Peninsula, the Florida Keys, and the northwestern Bahamas should monitor the progress of this system. Regardless of development, locally heavy rains could occur over portions of Mexico during the next day or two, and over much of Florida late this weekend through the middle of next week.

• Formation chance through 48 hours...high...70 percent.
• Formation chance through 7 days...high...90 percent.

 

[culdeus]

70/90 with more model support this morning.

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[bcat01]

Reed Timmer posted some early models. Hopefully they are wrong.
https://www.facebook.com/100044181021903/posts/1120285649454125/

https://www.facebook.com/100044181021903/posts/1120281629454527/

 

[Osaurus]

Start hiding red staplers

 

[The Gator]

Start hiding red staplers

 

[Capella]

Man I gotta move.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The most amazing thing to me about this factoid is that Clearwater has never had a 7'+ storm surge. Imagine what 15-20' feet would do.

 

[gump]

The most amazing thing to me about this factoid is that Clearwater has never had a 7'+ storm surge. Imagine what 15-20' feet would do.

Yea this is the unicorn…coming from the west tracking due east across the gulf.

 

[culdeus]

The most amazing thing to me about this factoid is that Clearwater has never had a 7'+ storm surge. Imagine what 15-20' feet would do.

Yea this is the unicorn…coming from the west tracking due east across the gulf.

It's happened once before. In the 1800s apparently

 

[TennesseeJed]

The Hurricane season appears for all intents over for anything major hitting CONUS.

update?