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*** Official 2018 Atlantic Hurricane Season Thread *** Oscar (1 Viewer)
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2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
Clown Car
Footballguy
I’m trying to get my 80yo in-laws to come away from Lynn Haven and stay in our town for a while. There is just no reason for them to stay there right now. No water, can’t flush toilets. No electric no phone. And their city fb post says it will be at least two weeks before stuff starts getting worked on. Why are old people so stubborn??
Mexico Beach is obliterated. The twig pylons didn't cut it. Even the new code concrete block ones took damage and may need to be redone on some houses that actually survived in Mexico beach. Code need to be concrete pylons. It's not like it costs that much to put in 16" square concrete block reinforced with steel with poured centers. If you got the $ to live that close to the gulf, you can afford concrete pylons.
Old concrete block houses didn't even cut it.
El Floppo
Footballguy
It will be interesting to see what type did hold up. Seemed like telephone pole style and the larger construction (probably steel or concrete frame w/ cmu) are all that are left. Stick or block construction never had a chance.
Tbh, not sure if poured concrete post is necessarily better than telephone pole (more rigid, which isn't always the best thing)... but they're both the only answer for single family homes in that when you're facing such crazy and different lateral loads (wind and surge). Also curious what kind of foundations these are using- that's going to determine how well they stand against this as well.
msommer
Footballguy
Underachievers
Footballguy
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I don't hold a SE degree, but I install deep foundations for a,living. Driven wood piles vs driven steel piles vs driven concrete piles won't make much of a difference, IMO. Neither has enough "wobble" to withstand what Michael threw at Mexico Beach. And, just going by the pictures I've seen, it wasn't the foundations alone that failed - you can't efficiently build against that much wind and moving water.
The dramatic pics are the roofs flying away, but the surge was the real perp in Mexico Beach - the bottom got rocked beyond its ability to hold up.
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Scoresman
Footballguy
There’s a picture going around of one of those houses on wooden stilts that survived. Everything else around it is gone. I have no idea how that’s possible.
Kilgore Trout
Footballguy
I had an interesting observation looking at before and after satellite pics. Of the few houses standing in the area of greatest destruction, they appear to be new built homes, as several of them don't exist on the pre-Michael satellite pictures. Don't know anything about construction or why they were able to survive, but they must have done something different.
Here is a link zoomed in on two beachfront houses that were newly built and survived. https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/michael/index.html#18/29.95048/-85.42559(click the little box in the upper right corner to select pre-Michael and then toggle the October 11 check box to see before and after.)
Clown Car
Footballguy
I understand that it’s home. But people go on vacation. They could leave for a couple weeks to be comfortable, safe, clean.
culdeus
Footballguy
94L is a coinflip to develop into something bad. If it dies, that should be it for 2018.
Scary video here:
https://youtu.be/C6zGEMMMjws
Scary video here:
https://youtu.be/C6zGEMMMjws
beer 30
Footballguy
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6275177/Hunt-missing-people-caught-Hurricane-Michael-search-dead.html
This place, cost him about $30,000 to upgrade to #### you Mother Nature mode. Built to sustain 250 mph winds
BassNBrew
Footballguy
His isn't wood pylons though. They are 40 foot steel reinforced columns and poured cement steel reinforced walls, which if I had the $ to live on the beach, that is exactly what I would do. Because of what he did in constructing his house well above code, the old house behind his is also standing, protected by his. It may be a total loss but it did survive because of his house. Don't put your beach house on twigs.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6275177/Hunt-missing-people-caught-Hurricane-Michael-search-dead.html
This place, cost him about $30,000 to upgrade to #### you Mother Nature mode. Built to sustain 250 mph winds
pantherclub
Footballguy
Yeah it's pretty messed up but amazingly the roof held up and I'm wondering how it would have fared if the 1st floor was not there at all, allowing the flow of water under it and around the pylons. Sounds like the top 2 floors fared well for what hit it.
