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***Official 2025 Golf Thread,, woz humblebrags he's secretly a plus hcp*** (3 Viewers)
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Hooper31
Footballguy
I can't say good or bad things about getting fitted because I haven't done it. I've put a lot of time into considering it, but just haven't pulled the string.
If you're looking to save coin my guess is that Ebay maybe the cheapest route. Lots of guys out there buying new clubs that they don't like that end up going straight to Ebay after being used for a couple of rounds.
Ebay link to AP2 iron sets
Quint
Footballguy
5.17.15
45 Out
50 In
2 fairways hit, 3 GIR, 32 putts, 2 balls in the water, 2 lost balls.
first round in a month and it showed. zero consistency, except that all my misses were Right (tee, approach, chips, etc.). took me about 14 holes to figure out that i was aligned about 20 yards Right at address, so i fixed that and proceeded to pull the next three tee shots dead Left. go figure. left 90% of all putts short too.
had one stretch where i went Double, Double, Triple, Double, Triple. easily the worst string of holes in the last year or so. totally mental: got a bad break on the first Double, and took four holes get out of that funk. gotta be stronger than that.
hoping to bounce back today if i can get out.
45 Out
50 In
2 fairways hit, 3 GIR, 32 putts, 2 balls in the water, 2 lost balls.
first round in a month and it showed. zero consistency, except that all my misses were Right (tee, approach, chips, etc.). took me about 14 holes to figure out that i was aligned about 20 yards Right at address, so i fixed that and proceeded to pull the next three tee shots dead Left. go figure. left 90% of all putts short too.
had one stretch where i went Double, Double, Triple, Double, Triple. easily the worst string of holes in the last year or so. totally mental: got a bad break on the first Double, and took four holes get out of that funk. gotta be stronger than that.
hoping to bounce back today if i can get out.
Zow
Footballguy
Had our first day of our little SoCal tournament yesterday. Two man scramble at terra lago in Indio. Played the north course. My game is coming around a bit. Still erratic and my irons weren't great, but I hit some nice drives and I sealed the match on 17 with a 50 yard bunker shot that I put to about three feet. Nice start to
the tourney considering we won a scramble match without making any putts longer than five feet.
Playing Torrey today at noon. Team best ball.
the tourney considering we won a scramble match without making any putts longer than five feet.
Playing Torrey today at noon. Team best ball.
Nugget
Footballguy
This helped with the accuracy. I was exaggerating my shoulder turn and focusing too much on my finish. I kept my shoulders quieter and I am striking the ball better. Thanks for the tip.
Last time out I was killing the driver and the short irons. It was a course I hadn't played in 15 years so I didn't score very well. Have a tee time in 2 hours and I'm excited to see if I can put a decent round together.
belljr
Footballguy
you know it still upsets me I don't have a hole in one in my career I have eagles from the fairway I have a 1 putt Eagles on par 4 but I don't have a hole-in-one all the hacks that I play with have a hole in one and I get my balls busted all the time
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
15 inch cup - 12 hole courses ...6 holes a side sounds like would be good for you Thorn.Played 9 after work yesterday. Was -1 thru 6. Finished bogey-double-double.
lod01
Footballguy
The golf game I came up with is far cooler than that.15 inch cup - 12 hole courses ...6 holes a side sounds like would be good for you Thorn.Played 9 after work yesterday. Was -1 thru 6. Finished bogey-double-double.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Man, even with an alignment aid I can get way out of whack. Everything looks right but put the club down and I'm way closed. No wonder I struggled. Soon as I got square (felt way open first few swings but then it just felt free) started puring it again. Tough game. Speaking of tough - that course they are playing the Senior Open at looks brutal.
Quint
Footballguy
5.25..15
43 Out
45 In
6 Fairways, 3 GIR, 33 putts, one three putt, 1 OB
slow round yesterday - 5.5 hrs - but that's probably right for a holiday. only had one double (#15) where i knocked one OB. put a ball in a lateral hazard on #3 but got out with a bogey. was working on distance control and hit some really solid shots. short game was much better: didn't fluff or duff a chip all day. missed all three birdie putts though.
side note: we got paired with a single who was playing from the blues. nice guy, kinda quiet. was two Under after five holes, with a lip-out eagle on #3. turns out, he played on the Nationwide Tour for about five years. he tells this story:
Final Round of US Open Qualifying in 2010. he's leading by one stroke going into the last two holes. has a downhill, sidehill lie for his second shot (ball below his feet). addresses the ball, starts his back swing, and his ball moves (downhill) about 1/2 a revolution. in mid-swing, he thinks "Well, now i've got to hit it since I've already addressed it and started my swing." as he reaches the top of his backswing, and starts downward, the ball moves again, about another 1' down hill. so he stops mid-swing and steps away from the ball. there are a bunch of Marshals and Rules Officials around him, but nobody sees this happen. he calls a One Stoke Penalty on himself and finishes the round. goes on to lose in a playoff and miss his shot at Pebble Beach.
brutal.
43 Out
45 In
6 Fairways, 3 GIR, 33 putts, one three putt, 1 OB
slow round yesterday - 5.5 hrs - but that's probably right for a holiday. only had one double (#15) where i knocked one OB. put a ball in a lateral hazard on #3 but got out with a bogey. was working on distance control and hit some really solid shots. short game was much better: didn't fluff or duff a chip all day. missed all three birdie putts though.
side note: we got paired with a single who was playing from the blues. nice guy, kinda quiet. was two Under after five holes, with a lip-out eagle on #3. turns out, he played on the Nationwide Tour for about five years. he tells this story:
Final Round of US Open Qualifying in 2010. he's leading by one stroke going into the last two holes. has a downhill, sidehill lie for his second shot (ball below his feet). addresses the ball, starts his back swing, and his ball moves (downhill) about 1/2 a revolution. in mid-swing, he thinks "Well, now i've got to hit it since I've already addressed it and started my swing." as he reaches the top of his backswing, and starts downward, the ball moves again, about another 1' down hill. so he stops mid-swing and steps away from the ball. there are a bunch of Marshals and Rules Officials around him, but nobody sees this happen. he calls a One Stoke Penalty on himself and finishes the round. goes on to lose in a playoff and miss his shot at Pebble Beach.
brutal.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
My parents live on a lake which also happens to border our local course. The 5th hole is a par 4 dogleg right that wraps around the lake. To the right of the green there's a little retention area where any approach shot short and right will funnel down into the water.
My brother and I rowed over there yesterday in an old john boat after a few beers and hop in. We were literally standing on golf balls. We probably pulled a thousand+ of them out of there in 15 minutes. We ended up splitting the ones that were pristine and premium. I'd say easily about 150 each of your top of the line balls. Every brand. Every make and model. Should be set for a while.
My brother and I rowed over there yesterday in an old john boat after a few beers and hop in. We were literally standing on golf balls. We probably pulled a thousand+ of them out of there in 15 minutes. We ended up splitting the ones that were pristine and premium. I'd say easily about 150 each of your top of the line balls. Every brand. Every make and model. Should be set for a while.
Zow
Footballguy
Same here.Although I may have "found it" again. Had my swing analyzed by a pro over the weekend. Turns out I've way overcorrected myself from when I started playing a couple years ago (where I took the club way outside, like a baseball swing) to now taking the club back way too far inside. Like so far inside that it's connecting with what looks like a slice rotation but is simply because it's impossible for me to hit anything but. Correction feels so strange.
Played by myself yesterday just to mess with it. Played two balls and kept strict score with each. Fought the change on the front and shot two 48s. But on the back, accompanied by a hot putter, I embraced it and went 37-39. Felt so good.
Zow
Footballguy
gump
Footballguy
Same here. Most painful Almost was on the edge of the cup in a tourney to win a Rolex.
I'm going to start worm-burning them up if it doesn't happen in the decade.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Shot a 76. Hit 4/14 fairways, 9/18 greens. 29 putts. 3 birdies 5 bogeys and a double. Was hitting out of the rough so often. If this course had trees I'd have shot an 84 or so.
I'm swinging so much inside to out with the driver that if I don't close the club face with my right hand at Impact its 20 yards right. If I do shut the face it's a hard draw or hook. Just can't clear to the left side for some reason.
Edited for terrible autocorrects.
I'm swinging so much inside to out with the driver that if I don't close the club face with my right hand at Impact its 20 yards right. If I do shut the face it's a hard draw or hook. Just can't clear to the left side for some reason.
Edited for terrible autocorrects.
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
concentrating on getting max clubhead speed after impact always gets me to my left side.
Quint
Footballguy
5.31.15
96 on a Par 62 Executive course. what a ####### disaster. only salvageable part of the day was going 1 Over on the last four holes. whiskey almost made it better last night. almost.
6.1.15
new month, better attitude.
44 Out
43 In
9 fairways, 5 GIR, 36 putts. 2 OB.
best day of driving in as long as i can remember. need a baby fade? had it. need it low, into the wind? got that one too. only wish i had the second shots to go with it. of the first 9 holes, i had < 150 five times and missed the green - short - on every one. was coming in way too steep and chunking everything. got it sorted on the back, and salvaged a round. didn't make a putt outside of 10' which was disappointing. oh well...i'm not good enough to be mad at stuff like that.
96 on a Par 62 Executive course. what a ####### disaster. only salvageable part of the day was going 1 Over on the last four holes. whiskey almost made it better last night. almost.
6.1.15
new month, better attitude.
44 Out
43 In
9 fairways, 5 GIR, 36 putts. 2 OB.
best day of driving in as long as i can remember. need a baby fade? had it. need it low, into the wind? got that one too. only wish i had the second shots to go with it. of the first 9 holes, i had < 150 five times and missed the green - short - on every one. was coming in way too steep and chunking everything. got it sorted on the back, and salvaged a round. didn't make a putt outside of 10' which was disappointing. oh well...i'm not good enough to be mad at stuff like that.
tommyboy
Footballguy
Sounds like someone needs to hit 100 drives on the range, really focus on tempo and balance
John Bender
Footballguy
I suck worse.
Every time I get out on the course things fall apart. I hit every single iron straight shanked right Sunday.
It's turning my right wrist over.
Developed a nasty blister on my left pointer finger.
I bought a membership this year too. It's gonna be a year of hacking, like it's been for 10 years now. I hate golf so much.
Every time I get out on the course things fall apart. I hit every single iron straight shanked right Sunday.
It's turning my right wrist over.
Developed a nasty blister on my left pointer finger.
I bought a membership this year too. It's gonna be a year of hacking, like it's been for 10 years now. I hate golf so much.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
if youre shanking its probably more to do with standing too close to the ball for how flat your downswing is than your wrist. if youre talking about a literal shank off the hosel. cant really picture how turning your right wrist too much would cause it. sometimes it's from waiting too long to release the club but with your wrist comment, thats unlikely. sounds like your swing is getting flatter without realizing it. would either move 1/2-1 inch further away or swing just a touch more upright.
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John Bender
Footballguy
You may be right about the shanking and standing a half step back. That's what the guy I was playing with was saying. Frustrating.
The blister is so bad that I won't be playing for at least another week.
The blister is so bad that I won't be playing for at least another week.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
I played in a scramble on Friday and was crushing drives using my buddies new Taylor Made 15. It's all in my legs and tempo, timing and balance, so you nailed it. My swing can be upper body heavy and that's when I get into problems. I feel like I had a breakthrough.
John Bender
Footballguy
Also w hitting every iron straight out to the right the whole way (again not slicing, just a straight shank right). I'm wondering if I'm getting my body through way in front of my hands.
My finish was solid in every shot, belt buckle facing the target every time. It's another possibility that my body is already moving through the ball well before my hands get there.
My finish was solid in every shot, belt buckle facing the target every time. It's another possibility that my body is already moving through the ball well before my hands get there.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
For those interested in some industry news about participation and the health of the industry.
Spoiler alert, we lost nearly another 1M golfers in 2014.[SIZE=10.5pt]:[/SIZE]
Spoiler alert, we lost nearly another 1M golfers in 2014.[SIZE=10.5pt]:[/SIZE]
- [SIZE=10.5pt]The golfer base (Age 7+, played 1+ rounds in 2014) declined by 900K to settle in at 22M in total. This is now an 8M net loss of golfers since our peak back in 2002 just shy of 30M golfers (29.8M for those of you keeping score at home). This represents an annual decline of 4% which is most assuredly not within statistical sampling error (sorry NGF). What you do see however in the new Trend Comparison is that NGF's logic that stabilization equals a rate of decline not greater than before could be applied. The 2014 rate of decline in the golf consumer base is not meaningfully different than the 5-year annual rate of decline of 3.7%. So the slope of our downward trend hasn't increased, I guess there's some comfort in that but I wouldn't call a continuing decline of 4% of our consumer base "stabilization" unless I were just desperately groping for something non-negative to say.[/SIZE]
- [SIZE=10.5pt]The Participation Rate (combining Population change and number of Participants change) also declined due to a flat US Population and the decline in Golf Participants. We're now below 8% participation among the Age 7+ population, a "relevancy" level not seen since NSGA began their survey in 1985 (it was at 10% when the survey began and had never registered below that mark until the current post-2000 slide began).[/SIZE]
- [SIZE=10.5pt]The Frequency Rate (rounds per golfer per year) declined slightly to just under 22 rounds per year. As you see in the directional arrow, this does fall within the error range for the annual comparison. This has been the saving grace of the current cycle and is due to the fact that we're retaining a higher portion of both the Committed and 55+ age golfers.[/SIZE]
- [SIZE=10.5pt]The Play Rate (rounds per capita per year, incorporates population change, participation and frequency rates in one measure) fell 0.1 rounds which doesn't seem like much but, on a relatively low base number of 1.8 for 2013, is a 6% decline in the measure. Here again, the positive spin that could be applied to this is that the annual rate of change didn't get any worse but the year-on-year comparison is still a downer.[/SIZE]
- [SIZE=10.5pt]Of our 900K golfer loss, the majority of it (both in count and % change) came from the Casuals group which dropped by roughly 600K golfers or 7% vs. '13[/SIZE]
- [SIZE=10.5pt]The Involveds held their own from '13 to '14 at roughly 7M golfers and 32% of total golfers. As you can see from the Share-of-Golfers set of measures, the primary shift this year was Involveds gained share by holding steady in the face of a large exodus of Casuals[/SIZE]
- [SIZE=10.5pt]Looking at the critical segment of Committeds, we saw a meaningful drop in this group as well (remember they could have simply "down-shifted" to Involveds) but in line with the overall franchise loss[/SIZE]
- [SIZE=10.5pt]On the opposite end of involvement, the Singles, this year we surprisingly saw that we held our own in this group vs. seeing them defect in large numbers as in previous years. This again could be the result of a high attraction rate offset by high defection or it could be that we actually retained a large number of Singles from '13 (I'll touch on this critical knowledge gap in the closing section below)[/SIZE]
- [SIZE=10.5pt]This year we've also added the reference point of where the involvement distribution curve was in 1990 back when the three involvement group criteria (2-9 rds/yr, 10-39 rds/yr, 40+ rds/yr) were established. Back then, NSGA wasn't tracking single day participants but we've been able to proxy in from 1990 the likely size of that group and establish these baseline distributions. The big takeaway from this comparison is that Singles have significantly increased in their contribution to the golfer base and Involveds have decreased significantly. You can understand that while an increase in contribution by the Singles involvement group and a drop in Involveds is not a good scenario for rounds, revenue etc. (although I could probably argue that it wouldn't be bad for equipment manufacturers if the majority of those Singles bought equipment), one could argue that we're getting good trial and those are the future Involveds, they just haven't yet "grown up" in their tenure in the sport. [/SIZE]
Apple Jack
Footballguy
youre talking about a block, not a shank. a shank is off the hosel and is often actually nearly a good shot. block is a whole other thing and would require seeing it. you could probably id it yourself by shooting vid from opposite the ball.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
confidential....I shouldn't be copying and pasting, but wanted to share some of the data.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
cool. will keep it here.
eta: that news sucks, but is really just telling us what we already know. there were a lot of fringe who were not likely to be keepers in wake of tiger. first sign of financial stress they were always going to shake off. but with economy and job market stabilizing it probably wouldn't take much to get some of them back. just something eye catching on the tv. need rory, speith, or even tiger to shake the ground a bit. but could be a little while. still curious to see what china could mean for us manufacturers. and need to get the kids interested again. ricky fowler aint the silver bullet either.
One arguable upside to the correction is I think it's time many of these dumps who bring on billy casper, palmer, etc to operate ####ty properties on life support for however long just be allowed to die. thin the herd a bit. so many poorly run/operated courses out there wasting resources and money to present a poor product. and can we stop the trend of calling public golf courses semi-private and god forbid country clubs?
eta: that news sucks, but is really just telling us what we already know. there were a lot of fringe who were not likely to be keepers in wake of tiger. first sign of financial stress they were always going to shake off. but with economy and job market stabilizing it probably wouldn't take much to get some of them back. just something eye catching on the tv. need rory, speith, or even tiger to shake the ground a bit. but could be a little while. still curious to see what china could mean for us manufacturers. and need to get the kids interested again. ricky fowler aint the silver bullet either.
One arguable upside to the correction is I think it's time many of these dumps who bring on billy casper, palmer, etc to operate ####ty properties on life support for however long just be allowed to die. thin the herd a bit. so many poorly run/operated courses out there wasting resources and money to present a poor product. and can we stop the trend of calling public golf courses semi-private and god forbid country clubs?
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siffoin
Footballguy
In Idaho we have a very STUPID State-wide Golf Association that is doing their part to kill the game at least for kids. Example:
My kid has been playing tournaments on the State level since he was 9 years old. Idaho is a pretty big State area-wise...so we're divided into 4 "districts." In order to qualify to play in the District and then State Championship a player is required to compete in 4:6 tournaments from June-July - with the State Championship being held in early August. Typically the 6 District tournaments are spread-out --- 3 tournaments in June and 3 in July...and there has never been more than 1 tournament in a week.
For the last 3 years the number of kids participating in our District has steadily grown. From about 10 boys 4 years ago to about 50 boys last year. I'm sure a lot of this is due to the fact that not a lot of 9 year olds in Idaho even have exposure to golf.
This year there is a huge drop off. When I looked yesterday only 5 kids in the 13 year old age group are even signed up for tournaments this year. Why?
Because of the way the IGA scheduled the events. From June 27-July 2 they have 4 tournaments scheduled. The other 2 take place on July 13-14. Note that not only are they expecting 13 year olds to play a lot of days in a row...the tournaments are held at difference courses each time...some of which are more than 120 miles away from Boise area.
When I called to ask them WTF did they schedule the events like this- they said it was because that was the only time courses had available. BULL ####! I know this because I play in a local tour of about 50 men and we schedule our events less than 2 weeks out and can always get prime tee times during week days.
Other things that piss me off about youth golf at the State level here.
1) They make all kids under 12 play from the Ladies tee box and the holes are often WAY too long especially for 9 year old girls. Last year they had them play one Par 5 that was over 500 yrds uphill. Outrageous. IMO - kids should play from yardages from which "most" are able to reach the green in regulation, and the course should be set up to encourage kids to shoot a low score. No one (least of all children) enjoy shooting super high scores. I've seen girls shoot in the high 80's for 9 holes (the max they can take on any hole is a 10 too)...and the winner shoot in the 60's for 9 holes. I've never seen a boy 12 years old or younger shoot under par in a tournament. (I'm sure there are kids out there who can and do break par easily, but Idaho isn't a hot-bed of amateur kid golf - so why not make it so the game is more fun for the few kids involved at this level...and maybe that would encourage more to try the game out).
2) They should allow the use of "caddies" for all kids. Not allowed in Idaho. In fact players are not allowed to speak with anyone except their playing partners during a tournament round. I've seen kids completely break down out there- crying to the point where they are unable to play. Tournament golf for kids is one of the few sports where everyone DOESN'T get a trophy, nor should they, but this an unusual position for kids today - especially those who play team sports. And many kids can't handle the pressure of having their athletic failures completely exposed. Most kid golfers haven't learned to keep their focus in the here and now. Having an adult caddie who can say "it's just a bad shot or bad hole, lets focus on making this next shot the best it can be" would help a lot.
2) They should use the big hole for all kids under 12 years old. Again who cares if a 10 year old shoots -2 in a District tournament in Parma Idaho, because the course they played was 2000 yrds (instead of 3000) with big holes. In fact I would bet kids who shoot close to par would see a dramatic increase in their intrinsic motivation to play the game. It would also spped up the rounds significant;y. That's what golf needs.
3) All Par 3/Executive courses should use the big holes for all players. It's not unusual to have a 9 hole round at our local Par 3 course take 2+ hours on a Sunday afternoon because the hackers think they are playing the Masters.
4) Range Balls should be free for kids (assuming there is space on the range available). That's an investment the course makes on the sustainability of their future.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Nike laid off 40% of their golf reps yesterday. Not a typo.
Quint
Footballguy
played in, and won, a scramble yesterday. our team is now back-to-back champions. pretty sure everyone involved with this event hates us.
each team member got one of this for First Place.
not too shabby.
each team member got one of this for First Place.
not too shabby.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
can you trade it in for a boom box?
Apple Jack
Footballguy
John Bender
Footballguy
Quint
Footballguy
i'm gonna keep it. like how it's solar powered, and has a USB for phone charging too.
should work well for beach, pool, etc. could throw it in the back of a golf cart and treat the rest of the course to my excellent choice of music.
belljr
Footballguy
there was a tournament we had 3 groups enter every year. Was a friends memorial tournament. One of our groups won every year for 8 years. Legitimate!!I have 4 of those stupid trophies.
my sons football team used to have a modified scramble. We won our first year by 6 shots.
never invited back. It helps when I'm the c player
haters
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Prince Myshkin
Footballguy
45 - 39 for me today. 36 putts
and the sad thing is that my putting wasn't as bad as chipping and pitching. I have got to figure something out because this is two rounds in a row with absolutely no touch around the greens.On the plus side, I did hit 7 greens on the back side and only missed a couple of fairways all day.
tommyboy
Footballguy
Most people think if they swing harder the ball goes farther. Not really true.
If you swing 80% and hit it square, it goes farther. And then as the round goes on, since your swing is relaxed and your body loosens up you'll smoke a few drives a lot further than you expect.
This is something I struggle with.
tommyboy
Footballguy
Sounds like a block/push, not a shank.
Easy fix, your left hip only needs to move laterally about 3 inches, I'm guessing you're moving 6-7 inches. Just focus on turning your left hip, like someone is pulling your belt loop, really focus on turning instead of sliding.
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