Official 49ers 2012 thread (4 Viewers)

[thecatch]

49ers working out 2 kickers: Billy Cundiff and Justin Medlock. Neither strike me as much of an upgrade, but we gotta sign somone.

I know emotionally we want a break from Akers, but these guys lost their jobs for doing exactly what Akers is doing. Don't see how this is an upgrade. Might as well show some faith in Akers and hope he gets it figured out. (Kaesong might have been a different story - I think the evidence shows he is simply a better kicker).

 

[CalBear]

49ers working out 2 kickers: Billy Cundiff and Justin Medlock. Neither strike me as much of an upgrade, but we gotta sign somone.

David Akers goes from first team All-Pro, leading scorer in a season in 2011 with 166 (a record that was held by Jerry Rice), to a train wreck in 2012. In the past two seasons he has attempted almost 100 FG - starting at the age of 37 to 38 - with 52 in 2011, and 42 in 2012. Is that too much to ask and 'old' kicker? Morten Andersen and Gary Anderson who kicked until almost 50 years old never attempted more than 50+ in a season their entire career.

Please. It's a field goal.

From 63 yards it ain't "just a FG".

From 63 yards it's still shorter than a kickoff (and what's he had, two of those kicks in the past two years?). They do hundreds of kicks in practice; kicking 50 times in a game situation as opposed to 40 makes absolutely no difference to their physical health, unless they get blasted by a lineman or something.

 

[drummer]

49ers working out 2 kickers: Billy Cundiff and Justin Medlock. Neither strike me as much of an upgrade, but we gotta sign somone.

David Akers goes from first team All-Pro, leading scorer in a season in 2011 with 166 (a record that was held by Jerry Rice), to a train wreck in 2012. In the past two seasons he has attempted almost 100 FG - starting at the age of 37 to 38 - with 52 in 2011, and 42 in 2012. Is that too much to ask and 'old' kicker? Morten Andersen and Gary Anderson who kicked until almost 50 years old never attempted more than 50+ in a season their entire career.

Please. It's a field goal.

From 63 yards it ain't "just a FG".

From 63 yards it's still shorter than a kickoff (and what's he had, two of those kicks in the past two years?). They do hundreds of kicks in practice; kicking 50 times in a game situation as opposed to 40 makes absolutely no difference to their physical health, unless they get blasted by a lineman or something.

That's a fair point. Care to tell me why they most don't kick past 40 years old? TIA

 

[CalBear]

That's a fair point. Care to tell me why they most don't kick past 40 years old? TIA

Most people over 40 years old can't do all the things they did when they were 25.

 

[drummer]

That's a fair point. Care to tell me why they most don't kick past 40 years old? TIA

Most people over 40 years old can't do all the things they did when they were 25.

So age has something to do with it? Looking at the Akers' contemporaries in age over the past 2 years in FG attempts:

John Kasay @ 42 years old: 63.

Jason Hanson @ 42 years old: 65

Adam Vinatieri @ 39 years old: 60

Matt Bryant @ 37 years old: 67

David Akers @ 38 years old: 94

So thats around 30 more FG attempts, plus all those PATs and kickoffs as well as those practice kicks.

 

[huthut]

Akers FG % is 65% between November and December, and he is only 2/7 for kicks greater than 39 yards over those 2 months. His average for kicks below 40 yards is 81% in that same time period, and missing 1 out of every 5 seems awfully high for short range kicks. I don't know if it is mental or physical, but Akers is broken. I agree it is dumb that kickers get cut for stuff like missing a single kick in a playoff game or whatever, but he has essentially spent the majority of the season missing kicks and costing games.

 

[BaBastage]

I'd ride Akers and hope that he gets back on track, rather than sign a new kicker and hope they work out.

Either strategy involves hope ("Hope is not a Strategy" for all you business folks out there), so I'll take the known over the unknown.

 

[butcher boy]

Kicking isn't that hard. Can't Ray Wershing come out of retirement?

 

[attaché case]

Packers @ 49ers Saturday night. Yeeeehaw!

 

[Wingnut]

I'm back, beaches!!!! Had a 3 month vacation courtesy of FBG. Thread subtitle has been updated finally.

 

[thecatch]

1998 revenge game on tap.

 

[Black Box]

I'm back, beaches!!!! Had a 3 month vacation courtesy of FBG. Thread subtitle has been updated finally.

Good timing!

 

[Spin]

I'm back, beaches!!!! Had a 3 month vacation courtesy of FBG. Thread subtitle has been updated finally.

Welcome back. Miss your old avatar already though.

 

[goldenchild]

 

[drummer]

Most of us here hate Mike Nolan, and for good reason, but Sando brings up some key players that Harbaugh inherited from Nolan (which I have posted about much to butcher boy's chargrin):

Former San Francisco 49ers coach Mike Nolan will be scheming against his former team in the NFC Championship Game as the Atlanta Falcons' defensive coordinator. The job Nolan did as the 49ers' head coach isn't as relevant as the personnel decisions he made in conjunction with former general manager Scot McCloughan. Those decisions were quite good ones in many cases. As a result, Nolan will be scheming to stop a 49ers offense featuring current or former Pro Bowl choices in left tackle Joe Staley, tight end Vernon Davis and running back Frank Gore, plus tight end Delanie Walker and, less probably, backup quarterback Alex Smith. Ten Nolan-era draft choices remain with the 49ers. Five have achieved Pro Bowl status: linebacker Patrick Willis and safety Dashon Goldson in addition to Staley, Davis and Gore. Cornerback Tarell Brown, coming off a strong game against Green Bay, and defensive end Ray McDonald are also Nolan-era draft choices in the 49ers' starting lineup. Smith isn't expected to play against the Falcons, but if he did, his falling out with Nolan over the coach's handling of a shoulder injury would instantly surface as a story line for revisiting. Nolan was also in charge when the 49ers used free agency or waivers to add defensive lineman Justin Smith and outside linebacker Ahmad Brooks. Both are starters. Smith is arguably the most important player on the 49ers' defense.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I'm back, beaches!!!! Had a 3 month vacation courtesy of FBG. Thread subtitle has been updated finally.

Welcome back, Wingnut. Was wondering why you hadn't continued the subtitle updates. Hope you make it to the Super Bowl before getting clipped again.

 

[drummer]

I'm back, beaches!!!!

Macho Time resurrected?

 

[mad sweeney]

Most of us here hate Mike Nolan, and for good reason, but Sando brings up some key players that Harbaugh inherited from Nolan (which I have posted about much to butcher boy's chargrin):

Former San Francisco 49ers coach Mike Nolan will be scheming against his former team in the NFC Championship Game as the Atlanta Falcons' defensive coordinator. The job Nolan did as the 49ers' head coach isn't as relevant as the personnel decisions he made in conjunction with former general manager Scot McCloughan. Those decisions were quite good ones in many cases. As a result, Nolan will be scheming to stop a 49ers offense featuring current or former Pro Bowl choices in left tackle Joe Staley, tight end Vernon Davis and running back Frank Gore, plus tight end Delanie Walker and, less probably, backup quarterback Alex Smith. Ten Nolan-era draft choices remain with the 49ers. Five have achieved Pro Bowl status: linebacker Patrick Willis and safety Dashon Goldson in addition to Staley, Davis and Gore. Cornerback Tarell Brown, coming off a strong game against Green Bay, and defensive end Ray McDonald are also Nolan-era draft choices in the 49ers' starting lineup. Smith isn't expected to play against the Falcons, but if he did, his falling out with Nolan over the coach's handling of a shoulder injury would instantly surface as a story line for revisiting. Nolan was also in charge when the 49ers used free agency or waivers to add defensive lineman Justin Smith and outside linebacker Ahmad Brooks. Both are starters. Smith is arguably the most important player on the 49ers' defense.

It's pretty criminal for all the talent Nolan and Singletary had to have had such bad teams during that time. Not to take anything away from jerk-face, but you'd have to be pretty damn inept to not take over the team that Jimmay did deep into the playoffs.

 

[drummer]

Most of us here hate Mike Nolan, and for good reason, but Sando brings up some key players that Harbaugh inherited from Nolan (which I have posted about much to butcher boy's chargrin):

Former San Francisco 49ers coach Mike Nolan will be scheming against his former team in the NFC Championship Game as the Atlanta Falcons' defensive coordinator. The job Nolan did as the 49ers' head coach isn't as relevant as the personnel decisions he made in conjunction with former general manager Scot McCloughan. Those decisions were quite good ones in many cases. As a result, Nolan will be scheming to stop a 49ers offense featuring current or former Pro Bowl choices in left tackle Joe Staley, tight end Vernon Davis and running back Frank Gore, plus tight end Delanie Walker and, less probably, backup quarterback Alex Smith. Ten Nolan-era draft choices remain with the 49ers. Five have achieved Pro Bowl status: linebacker Patrick Willis and safety Dashon Goldson in addition to Staley, Davis and Gore. Cornerback Tarell Brown, coming off a strong game against Green Bay, and defensive end Ray McDonald are also Nolan-era draft choices in the 49ers' starting lineup. Smith isn't expected to play against the Falcons, but if he did, his falling out with Nolan over the coach's handling of a shoulder injury would instantly surface as a story line for revisiting. Nolan was also in charge when the 49ers used free agency or waivers to add defensive lineman Justin Smith and outside linebacker Ahmad Brooks. Both are starters. Smith is arguably the most important player on the 49ers' defense.

It's pretty criminal for all the talent Nolan and Singletary had to have had such bad teams during that time. Not to take anything away from jerk-face, but you'd have to be pretty damn inept to not take over the team that Jimmay did deep into the playoffs.

Harbaugh inherited a team that had their footprints all over it. Pete Carroll was once considered by the Yorks for HC I think during the time he was at USC, yet that was before Sing's draft of Iupati and Anthony Davis in the first round (Sing was HC that draft, and that was more Sing's call than Baalke's). Nolan was just in over his head having to wear both HC and a sort of GM/Exec role at the same time, which he didn't have any experience in any of those roles. But it just wasn't the HCs who were inept: the ownership was inept as well. If Harbaugh was in Nolan's position in 2005 with the same amount of experience, he would be set up to fail, not succeed like he has after all that.

 

[drummer]

BTW, add Crabtree to the list of 49er players Harbaugh inherited. That was McCloughan's pick (who probably sent him to the whiskey bottle after his holdout).

 

[mdlane]

Most of us here hate Mike Nolan, and for good reason, but Sando brings up some key players that Harbaugh inherited from Nolan (which I have posted about much to butcher boy's chargrin):

Former San Francisco 49ers coach Mike Nolan will be scheming against his former team in the NFC Championship Game as the Atlanta Falcons' defensive coordinator. The job Nolan did as the 49ers' head coach isn't as relevant as the personnel decisions he made in conjunction with former general manager Scot McCloughan. Those decisions were quite good ones in many cases. As a result, Nolan will be scheming to stop a 49ers offense featuring current or former Pro Bowl choices in left tackle Joe Staley, tight end Vernon Davis and running back Frank Gore, plus tight end Delanie Walker and, less probably, backup quarterback Alex Smith. Ten Nolan-era draft choices remain with the 49ers. Five have achieved Pro Bowl status: linebacker Patrick Willis and safety Dashon Goldson in addition to Staley, Davis and Gore. Cornerback Tarell Brown, coming off a strong game against Green Bay, and defensive end Ray McDonald are also Nolan-era draft choices in the 49ers' starting lineup. Smith isn't expected to play against the Falcons, but if he did, his falling out with Nolan over the coach's handling of a shoulder injury would instantly surface as a story line for revisiting. Nolan was also in charge when the 49ers used free agency or waivers to add defensive lineman Justin Smith and outside linebacker Ahmad Brooks. Both are starters. Smith is arguably the most important player on the 49ers' defense.

It's pretty criminal for all the talent Nolan and Singletary had to have had such bad teams during that time. Not to take anything away from jerk-face, but you'd have to be pretty damn inept to not take over the team that Jimmay did deep into the playoffs.

Harbaugh inherited a team that had their footprints all over it. Pete Carroll was once considered by the Yorks for HC I think during the time he was at USC, yet that was before Sing's draft of Iupati and Anthony Davis in the first round (Sing was HC that draft, and that was more Sing's call than Baalke's). Nolan was just in over his head having to wear both HC and a sort of GM/Exec role at the same time, which he didn't have any experience in any of those roles. But it just wasn't the HCs who were inept: the ownership was inept as well. If Harbaugh was in Nolan's position in 2005 with the same amount of experience, he would be set up to fail, not succeed like he has after all that.

The only player we can be sure was Sing's and not Baalke's is Taylor Mays IMO. Sing gets way too much credit for assembling this team.I agree on Nolan, but he was pretty clueless on offense.Also don't see how you can pin Sing's failure on Jed when Jed took over in 2008? (Meaning, the ownership didn't change for Harbaugh.)

 

[drummer]

Most of us here hate Mike Nolan, and for good reason, but Sando brings up some key players that Harbaugh inherited from Nolan (which I have posted about much to butcher boy's chargrin):

Former San Francisco 49ers coach Mike Nolan will be scheming against his former team in the NFC Championship Game as the Atlanta Falcons' defensive coordinator. The job Nolan did as the 49ers' head coach isn't as relevant as the personnel decisions he made in conjunction with former general manager Scot McCloughan. Those decisions were quite good ones in many cases. As a result, Nolan will be scheming to stop a 49ers offense featuring current or former Pro Bowl choices in left tackle Joe Staley, tight end Vernon Davis and running back Frank Gore, plus tight end Delanie Walker and, less probably, backup quarterback Alex Smith. Ten Nolan-era draft choices remain with the 49ers. Five have achieved Pro Bowl status: linebacker Patrick Willis and safety Dashon Goldson in addition to Staley, Davis and Gore. Cornerback Tarell Brown, coming off a strong game against Green Bay, and defensive end Ray McDonald are also Nolan-era draft choices in the 49ers' starting lineup. Smith isn't expected to play against the Falcons, but if he did, his falling out with Nolan over the coach's handling of a shoulder injury would instantly surface as a story line for revisiting. Nolan was also in charge when the 49ers used free agency or waivers to add defensive lineman Justin Smith and outside linebacker Ahmad Brooks. Both are starters. Smith is arguably the most important player on the 49ers' defense.

It's pretty criminal for all the talent Nolan and Singletary had to have had such bad teams during that time. Not to take anything away from jerk-face, but you'd have to be pretty damn inept to not take over the team that Jimmay did deep into the playoffs.

Harbaugh inherited a team that had their footprints all over it. Pete Carroll was once considered by the Yorks for HC I think during the time he was at USC, yet that was before Sing's draft of Iupati and Anthony Davis in the first round (Sing was HC that draft, and that was more Sing's call than Baalke's). Nolan was just in over his head having to wear both HC and a sort of GM/Exec role at the same time, which he didn't have any experience in any of those roles. But it just wasn't the HCs who were inept: the ownership was inept as well. If Harbaugh was in Nolan's position in 2005 with the same amount of experience, he would be set up to fail, not succeed like he has after all that.

The only player we can be sure was Sing's and not Baalke's is Taylor Mays IMO. Sing gets way too much credit for assembling this team.I agree on Nolan, but he was pretty clueless on offense.Also don't see how you can pin Sing's failure on Jed when Jed took over in 2008? (Meaning, the ownership didn't change for Harbaugh.)

Sing was Jed's first HC as Prez, yet I think Jed was just there ("this is the last time our season ends in December" - Jed announcing Sing as HC immediately after the last game of the 2008 season) to take the heat off of John York. Everybody wants to pin Davis and Iupati on Baalke, but Sing wanted smash mouth football running the ball, and even Sing said after that first draft day that he and Baalke discussed what was needed for it. Even then the media was questioning Sing drafting 2 offensive lineman (this after ScotM went AWOL after a alleged drinking problem weeks before that draft, thus Baalke taking over as interim GM, who didn't have the juice Sing did due to Sing's contract), and even when Davis was considered a reach pick after his first season (well, the offense was more the problem), it was still considered a Sing choice. The Taylor Mays pick was all Sing, because Baalke wanted Jimmy Clausen in the spot. They had a camera in the War Room, and there were reports that Sing went all Bull in a China shop on Baalke during that draft. I think that was the beginning of Sing's end as HC. They already went through one GM in ScotM, and seeing how he was working with Baalke in the draft kinda raised some red flags early.Sing had more power than Baalke, way too much power really, so it makes sense that he wouldn't defer to Baalke.

 

[5Rings]

I can't believe the Bears hired Trestman. Dude was terrible, I'm not a fan.

 

[drummer]

I can't believe the Bears hired Trestman. Dude was terrible, I'm not a fan.

GONE! - Eddie D on Trestman coming back during Seifert's "retirement" presser.Trestman pretty much set Seifert's retirement in motion because Eddie and Carmen brought their own OC in Mooch. Seifert resented that and thus retired soon after knowing that Mooch was being groomed to take over as HC.

 

[bierfiend]

i thought mooch came right in as HC from cal.

 

[drummer]

i thought mooch came right in as HC from cal.

He was coming in as OC, but Seifert saw the writing on the wall and thus paved the way for Mooch to come in as HC.ETA on Trestman: he wasn't in football at the time of his hiring as OC in 1995. He was in finance as a broker IIRC.

 

[5Rings]

He was going to be the OC, Seifert read the writing on the wall (as Drummer said), and resigned. Therefore Mooch went from OC hire to HC hire.Yeah, technically he was never the OC though.

 

[bierfiend]

i thought mooch came right in as HC from cal.

He was coming in as OC, but Seifert saw the writing on the wall and thus paved the way for Mooch to come in as HC.ETA on Trestman: he wasn't in football at the time of his hiring as OC in 1995. He was in finance as a broker IIRC.

hmmm. i always thought the politics around that were that they didn't believe mooch would come in as an OC, and they didn't want to lose an opportunity to nab him.

 

[drummer]

i thought mooch came right in as HC from cal.

He was coming in as OC, but Seifert saw the writing on the wall and thus paved the way for Mooch to come in as HC.ETA on Trestman: he wasn't in football at the time of his hiring as OC in 1995. He was in finance as a broker IIRC.

hmmm. i always thought the politics around that were that they didn't believe mooch would come in as an OC, and they didn't want to lose an opportunity to nab him.

I think it was pretty much was Mooch coming in whether Seifert liked it not, and a bit of a force out. After losing Shanahan to DEN, they wanted a offensive mind as HC for the future, thus Mooch being groomed.

 

[bierfiend]

i can't substantiate my claim, just thought that mooch was happy at cal and didn't want to leave for a non-HC position (even if grooming).

 

[CalBear]

i can't substantiate my claim, just thought that mooch was happy at cal and didn't want to leave for a non-HC position (even if grooming).

Mooch was only at Cal for one year. When he came in he said his goals were to win a Rose Bowl in 5 years, Super Bowl in 10. Fat lot of good that did anyone. He chased the money.

 

[bierfiend]

as for chasing a sb ring, hard to top the situation he was looking at with SF at that time (aside from the aging players).

 

[Wingnut]

Lets go get ring #6!!!!

 

[drummer]

 

[goldenchild]

 

[drummer]

I need a ####### drink or several!

 

[Spin]

 

[Dr. Awesome]

That was intense. Running Gore really helped kill the pass rush against Kaepernick. Akers still scares me.

 

[mdlane]

Intense.

 

[drummer]

WTF? I'M STILL SOBER!!

 

[tjnc09]

Can the 49ers still sign a kicker? Akers has to be mentally right now

 

[Wingnut]

49ers opponents next season:

Home: Seattle, St Louis, Arizona, Atlanta, Carolina, Indianapolis, Houston, Green Bay

Away: Seattle, St Louis, Arizona, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Tennessee, Jacksonville (in London), Washington

 

[Wingnut]

Can the 49ers still sign a kicker? Akers has to be mentally right now

I didn't think so, but this article hints to the fact that its possible for him to not make the trip. http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/01/20/david-akers-will-kicker-get-the-boot/

 

[drummer]

David ShAnkers.

 

[BaBastage]

Of minor note, things must be really bad with AJ Jenkins, that even Chad had a ball thrown his way after being on the team less than a week.I wonder what the long term prognosis is for that 1st round pick.oh yeah. NEW ORLEANS HERE WE COME!

 

[5Rings]

Hey, did you guys hear that Jim has a brother that coaches an NFL team too?

 

[BaBastage]

Hey, did you guys hear that Jim has a brother that coaches an NFL team too?

In other news, you must be pretty conflicted about this game. What happens if we win? How do you go about changing your handle to 6Rings? Better grab it quick before someone namesquats you.

 

[drummer]

Of minor note, things must be really bad with AJ Jenkins, that even Chad had a ball thrown his way after being on the team less than a week.I wonder what the long term prognosis is for that 1st round pick.oh yeah. NEW ORLEANS HERE WE COME!

Rashaun Woods 2.0?

 

[Wingnut]

Of minor note, things must be really bad with AJ Jenkins, that even Chad had a ball thrown his way after being on the team less than a week.I wonder what the long term prognosis is for that 1st round pick.

I didn't even think about this when I heard about Hall being activated. I'm gonna go see if I can find something on Jenkins.

 

[5Rings]

Hey, did you guys hear that Jim has a brother that coaches an NFL team too?

In other news, you must be pretty conflicted about this game. What happens if we win? How do you go about changing your handle to 6Rings? Better grab it quick before someone namesquats you.

Good call