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Per Mapquest:SF to SC: 73 miles, one and a half hours drive time?Boston to Foxborough: 30 miles (40 minutes). I've done that drive many times, seems longer & further, but anyway.......so one team (New England Pats, no longer Boston Pats) suddenly became regional and the other does not?If you actually live in SF (or an immediate suburb) with game day traffic, how much time do you expect you will actually spend just driving to the game and back?
It would make a lot more sense for them to be the California 49ers than the Bay Area 49ers. There wasn't gold near either San Francisco or San Jose, although San Francisco at least was the port for most people arriving by ship.Trivia: The reason why San Francisco became a center for gay culture was the influx of thousands of gold seekers, nearly all of them men. Most of the women in San Francisco in 1850 were prostitutes (and most of them probably made more money than the miners).
 
Darius Fleming tears ACL at San Francisco 49ers' minicamp

By Ian Rapoport

Reporter, NFL.com and NFL Network

San Francisco 49ers linebacker Darius Fleming, a fifth-round draft pick, tore his anterior cruciate ligament during his first rookie minicamp practice on Friday, according to his agent, Andy Simms. That puts his availability for the 2012 season in serious jeopardy.

Fleming, a 6-foot-1, 245-pound Notre Dame product, suffered the injury in a non-contact drill, coming down on his knee awkwardly. He attempted to continue doing drills, but quickly realized his knee was giving out. An MRI confirmed the nature of the injury.

Simms said Fleming tore only the ACL, not any other ligaments, which might mean his recovery process will be relatively uncomplicated. The assumption is that he’ll be on the sidelines for his rookie season, but the 49ers are keeping their options open.

Fleming signed a contract the day before suffering the injury, inking a four-year deal reportedly worth $2.264 million.
 
Does A.J. Jenkins complete 49ers' passing attack?

By Marc Sessler NFL.com

Writer

253 draft picks transformed the NFL in a matter of days. Around the League will examine the aftershocks by asking one post-draft burning question for all 32 teams.

Does A.J. Jenkins complete 49ers' passing attack?

Last year's San Francisco 49ers came to us from another era. The team's stout run defense gave up an astonishing 77.2 yards per game, 15.4 yards less than the second best run-stoppers in football, the Baltimore Ravens. (We get it, fellas, you Harbaughs are into stuffing the run.)

The 49ers' passing game looked equally old-school at times, generating 183.1 yards per game, fourth worst in the NFL. Among the bottom 10 passing games in the league, only the 49ers and the Tebow-led Broncos made the playoffs, and Alex Smith and Co. couldn't blame their dry attack on the read option.

Jim Harbaugh made it a priority to beef up his receiving corps this offseason, adding Mario Manningham and some guy named Randy Moss to a group that includes Michael Crabtree and tight end Vernon Davis.

That brings us to the draft, where the 49ers used a first-round pick on burner A.J. Jenkins, a receiver destined for the slot in San Francisco, and boasting a 4.31 40-yard time, according to team scouts.

After selecting Jenkins, Harbaugh couldn't stop talking about the speed added to his offense: "It's going to be a highly competitive environment," he said. "It's going to get real real. And it's going to get real real, real fast." (Classic Harbaugh.)

"He's a guy that fits our system very well, from a trait standpoint, from a skills standpoint, and has all the off-the-field intangibles that we're looking for as well," general manager Trent Baalke said. "Feel he's going to be a great fit it in the locker room, a great addition to the offense, and now it's up to him. It's up to him to come in here and compete."

The 49ers fielded criticism from draftniks for reaching for Jenkins at No. 30, but Baalke maintained he was at the top of their board. (Is Harbaugh concerned with the mental state of draftniks? Honey badger don't care.)

Defenses are now forced to approach San Francisco's offense from a different angle. Last year's run-heavy attack has only improved with the drafting of LaMichael James -- the 49ers are stocked at the position -- and the receivers are a wild group. Without knowing how the Moss signing will pan out, Jenkins will help alter the way this team scores points.
 
Harbaugh: Michael Crabtree has the best hands

By Marc Sessler

Writer

Jim Harbaugh has seen his share of talented wide receivers. He was a quarterback for the Indianapolis Colts when a young Marvin Harrison was a newbie. Later, as an assistant with the Oakland Raiders, Harbaugh helped groom a roster that included Tim Brown.

This is why it carries weight when the San Francisco 49ers coach tells reporters one of his current wideouts has the best hands he's ever seen, words he reserved for fourth-year receiver Michael Crabtree, according to Matt Maiocco of Comcast SportsNet Bay Area. As Maiocco notes, it's worth taking into account the fact that Harbaugh rarely compares his players to performers past or present.

For Crabtree, 24, it marks a growth process. He says he's past the nagging left foot injury that clouded his early days with the team, and he enjoyed a solid season in 2011, with 72 catches for 874 yards. He projects to thrive in a 49ers attack featuring a receiving corps that was beefed up this offseason, with Mario Manningham, rookie speedster A.J. Jenkins and some fellow named Randy Moss joining up.

"I'm taking care of my body and that's from growing up," Crabtree said earlier this month. "You learn how to take care of your body better."

Harbaugh, clearly in a jovial mood, also went out of his way to pump up Moss, who spent last season away from the game after 13 electrifying campaigns.

"He's been great in every single aspect," Harbaugh said. "On the field, he's fast-fast."
 
Brandon Jacobs looking to slim down for 49ers

By Dan Hanzus

Writer

Brandon Jacobs is a big man. This is the trait that's defined him since he came into the league in 2005. But the new San Francisco 49ers running back is aiming to be not so large by Week 1.

Jacobs told reporters on Tuesday his goal this season is to play at his college weight of 255 pounds. He's about 10 pounds away from the number, and he plans to reach the weight with proper dieting.

Since this is a story about Brandon Jacobs, there has to be at least one shake your head moment. He told reporters he is training "10 times" more on his legs than in recent seasons with the New York Giants. He then told a story about ballooning to the 285-pound range after the Giants won Super Bowl XLI in 2008.

"We just relaxed, ate, took trips, had fun," Jacobs recalled Tuesday, according to the San Jose Mercury News. "My body wasn't meant to be that big. But I still looked good."

We're guessing all these little anecdotes about sub-standard training methods went over better with the San Francisco media better than it would've with Tom Coughlin.

"My legs weren't as strong, my balance wasn't as good as it needed to be," Jacobs said. "I want to play down in the (250s) for basically the first time in my career. I don't think it's far fetched."

Jacobs' play fell off last season in New York, so the soon-to-be 30-year-old is wise to change up his routine in San Francisco. Pairing a revitalized Jacobs with Frank Gore could be big trouble -- no pun intended -- for the opposition on Sundays.
 
I just want the Yorks to admit they finally moved the team, and raised the ticket prices as well. Using their logic as well as the York apologists', the Raiders can build one in the West Bay and still call themselves the Oakland Raiders. Heck, they could share they same stadium in SC and still call themselves the Oakland Raiders, right? If the Oakland A's moved to Fremont (which is not far from SC), would they still be the Oakland A's?
Even better: They should move to the same stadium, and call themselves the San Francisco Raiders.
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Per Mapquest:SF to SC: 73 miles, one and a half hours drive time?Boston to Foxborough: 30 miles (40 minutes). I've done that drive many times, seems longer & further, but anyway.......so one team (New England Pats, no longer Boston Pats) suddenly became regional and the other does not?If you actually live in SF (or an immediate suburb) with game day traffic, how much time do you expect you will actually spend just driving to the game and back?
Mapquest a drive from any Marin County city {Novato for example] and get back to me. BTW, the Raiders can be more of a regional team then the San Jose 49ers. Because they are more centered in the Bay Area now than the San Jose 49ers.
 
Mapquest a drive from any Marin County city {Novato for example] and get back to me.
Novato (population 51,904) is more important than Sunnyvale (pop 140,081), Fremont (pop 214,089), or Santa Cruz (pop 59.946)? The entire population of Marin County is 252,916.It's pretty clear that the South Bay location is at least as central in terms of population density. It'll probably be marginally better in terms of public transit, although that's only because the Candlestick site sucks.
 
Mapquest a drive from any Marin County city {Novato for example] and get back to me.
Novato (population 51,904) is more important than Sunnyvale (pop 140,081), Fremont (pop 214,089), or Santa Cruz (pop 59.946)? The entire population of Marin County is 252,916.It's pretty clear that the South Bay location is at least as central in terms of population density. It'll probably be marginally better in terms of public transit, although that's only because the Candlestick site sucks.
But that's just one part of the North Bay. This isn't including Vallejo and other parts of the Bay like CC County. Public Transit to SC? Laughable. It's an hour+ on CalTrain to SJ, and worse when you have to take the SC light rail to the SC Convention center. At least Bayshore station is right near the Stick, and would have been right by the Brisbane site which the Yorks balked at years ago. It's San Jose, pure and simple. They will only be less than 10 minutes away from where the Sharks play. The San Jose Sharks.
 
I'd be thrilled if they moved the stadium to Novato. Put it where the Hanna Ranch project is supposed to go :)

 
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I'd be thrilled if they moved the stadium to Novato. Put it where the Hanna Ranch project is supposed to go :)
Novato is nice, but the GG Bridge congestion would be murder, along with the rest of the drive up there. The alternate routes wouldn't suffice either.
 
I guess I'll call my senator and ask him to reconsider then. Yes, there's no way Marin is situated for any type of sporting event, they're not even connected via BART.

But San Rafael did just get a minor league baseball team.

 
Mapquest a drive from any Marin County city {Novato for example] and get back to me.
Novato (population 51,904) is more important than Sunnyvale (pop 140,081), Fremont (pop 214,089), or Santa Cruz (pop 59.946)? The entire population of Marin County is 252,916.It's pretty clear that the South Bay location is at least as central in terms of population density. It'll probably be marginally better in terms of public transit, although that's only because the Candlestick site sucks.
But that's just one part of the North Bay. This isn't including Vallejo and other parts of the Bay like CC County. Public Transit to SC? Laughable. It's an hour+ on CalTrain to SJ, and worse when you have to take the SC light rail to the SC Convention center. At least Bayshore station is right near the Stick, and would have been right by the Brisbane site which the Yorks balked at years ago. It's San Jose, pure and simple. They will only be less than 10 minutes away from where the Sharks play. The San Jose Sharks.
Bayshore Station is over a mile from the Stick, and on the wrong side of 101. And it's easier to get to Santa Clara from Pleasanton than it is to get to Candlestick on a game day.I do agree that it's a bit lame to continue calling them the San Francisco 49ers if they play in Santa Clara. But overall it'll probably be a wash in terms of how easy it is to get to the stadium. A lot more people live in the South Bay than San Francisco/Marin/Solano.
 
Mapquest a drive from any Marin County city {Novato for example] and get back to me.
Novato (population 51,904) is more important than Sunnyvale (pop 140,081), Fremont (pop 214,089), or Santa Cruz (pop 59.946)? The entire population of Marin County is 252,916.It's pretty clear that the South Bay location is at least as central in terms of population density. It'll probably be marginally better in terms of public transit, although that's only because the Candlestick site sucks.
But that's just one part of the North Bay. This isn't including Vallejo and other parts of the Bay like CC County. Public Transit to SC? Laughable. It's an hour+ on CalTrain to SJ, and worse when you have to take the SC light rail to the SC Convention center. At least Bayshore station is right near the Stick, and would have been right by the Brisbane site which the Yorks balked at years ago. It's San Jose, pure and simple. They will only be less than 10 minutes away from where the Sharks play. The San Jose Sharks.
Bayshore Station is over a mile from the Stick, and on the wrong side of 101. And it's easier to get to Santa Clara from Pleasanton than it is to get to Candlestick on a game day.I do agree that it's a bit lame to continue calling them the San Francisco 49ers if they play in Santa Clara. But overall it'll probably be a wash in terms of how easy it is to get to the stadium. A lot more people live in the South Bay than San Francisco/Marin/Solano.
I've walked from Bayshore station to the Stick, for baseball games. For football games I had a friend with Alumni parking. And it's not easy at all to get to that area where the proposed stadium is being built. They still haven't fully figured out parking yet. I've been in many a freeway soup driving down there. Forget the rail. I'm sure by the time the San Jose 49er play there it will be improved, but I doubt it traffic will be better then when they played at the Stick. As far as population density it's San Jose proper, and the ticket prices won't reflect most of that population anyway.
 
I've walked from Bayshore station to the Stick, for baseball games.
Anywhere's walking distance if you have the time.
For football games I had a friend with Alumni parking. And it's not easy at all to get to that area where the proposed stadium is being built. They still haven't fully figured out parking yet. I've been in many a freeway soup driving down there. Forget the rail. I'm sure by the time the San Jose 49er play there it will be improved, but I doubt it traffic will be better then when they played at the Stick. As far as population density it's San Jose proper, and the ticket prices won't reflect most of that population anyway.
The suburbs of San Jose (Santa Clara/Sunnyvale/Mountain View/Union City/Fremont etc.) have as much population as San Francisco, before you even bring in San Jose itself.Look, I live in Oakland and I bailed on going to the Cal-Fresno State game because Candlestick is a pain to get to (not to mention that it's a ####hole). I think Santa Clara is insane to fund the stadium and they'll probably take a bath on it, but I don't think the argument that a Santa Clara stadium is harder to get to holds water.
 
I've walked from Bayshore station to the Stick, for baseball games.
Anywhere's walking distance if you have the time.
For football games I had a friend with Alumni parking. And it's not easy at all to get to that area where the proposed stadium is being built. They still haven't fully figured out parking yet. I've been in many a freeway soup driving down there. Forget the rail. I'm sure by the time the San Jose 49er play there it will be improved, but I doubt it traffic will be better then when they played at the Stick. As far as population density it's San Jose proper, and the ticket prices won't reflect most of that population anyway.
The suburbs of San Jose (Santa Clara/Sunnyvale/Mountain View/Union City/Fremont etc.) have as much population as San Francisco, before you even bring in San Jose itself.Look, I live in Oakland and I bailed on going to the Cal-Fresno State game because Candlestick is a pain to get to (not to mention that it's a ####hole). I think Santa Clara is insane to fund the stadium and they'll probably take a bath on it, but I don't think the argument that a Santa Clara stadium is harder to get to holds water.
Waling to it wasn't that bad. There isn't much around the Stick to go get a cocktail, but neither does OAK have a place to go either. Talk about craphole areas too. I would walk to the new Giants park from downtown too even though it's easy to get to by rail. That can be just as far as a walk from North Beach like Bayshore. I hated gigs at the SC Marriott. For one, to get there via public transportation (I lived in SF thus no car) was a PITA. Second, there is nothing as far as restaurants around there except for a Bennigans. Even though one shop I worked for was located in SF, we still had to book rooms in SC for a week long stint at the SC Convention Center. It's not like we could drive to SC everyday from SF. Same goes for SJ. It was a pain then without a Stadium. The thing is, the land right by the Bayshore station could have been where the stadium could be relocated. The Yorks wanted out of SF because for one, they don't live in the Bay Area full time, and John York has no spine. As much as it looks like Jed's move, it's his parent's team. This move is the one John York wanted. Because Gavin Newsome stepped on his penis.
 
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I've walked from Bayshore station to the Stick, for baseball games.
Anywhere's walking distance if you have the time.
For football games I had a friend with Alumni parking. And it's not easy at all to get to that area where the proposed stadium is being built. They still haven't fully figured out parking yet. I've been in many a freeway soup driving down there. Forget the rail. I'm sure by the time the San Jose 49er play there it will be improved, but I doubt it traffic will be better then when they played at the Stick. As far as population density it's San Jose proper, and the ticket prices won't reflect most of that population anyway.
The suburbs of San Jose (Santa Clara/Sunnyvale/Mountain View/Union City/Fremont etc.) have as much population as San Francisco, before you even bring in San Jose itself.Look, I live in Oakland and I bailed on going to the Cal-Fresno State game because Candlestick is a pain to get to (not to mention that it's a ####hole). I think Santa Clara is insane to fund the stadium and they'll probably take a bath on it, but I don't think the argument that a Santa Clara stadium is harder to get to holds water.
Waling to it wasn't that bad. There isn't much around the Stick to go get a cocktail, but neither does OAK have a place to go either. Talk about craphole areas too. I would walk to the new Giants park from downtown too even though it's easy to get to by rail. That can be just as far as a walk from North Beach like Bayshore. I hated gigs at the SC Marriott. For one, to get there via public transportation (I lived in SF thus no car) was a PITA. Second, there is nothing as far as restaurants around there except for a Bennigans. Even though one shop I worked for was located in SF, we still had to book rooms in SC for a week long stint at the SC Convention Center. It's not like we could drive to SC everyday from SF. Same goes for SJ. It was a pain then without a Stadium. The thing is, the land right by the Bayshore station could have been where the stadium could be relocated. The Yorks wanted out of SF because for one, they don't live in the Bay Area full time, and John York has no spine. As much as it looks like Jed's move, it's his parent's team. This move is the one John York wanted. Because Gavin Newsome stepped on his penis.
I do think that they should have placed the new stadium closer to the San Jose Diridon Station (which is closer to the Shark tank). That would have made much more sense since that is a central hub for all kinds of public transportation.The current site for the stadium lacks any kind of real fine dining (Birk's is the closest to it at the moment). One other thing that just occurred to me... there is a waste disposal site not too far from the new stadium. I wonder if the stench will make it that far to the stadium during those August-October hot windy days? :X
 
Jim Harbaugh faces pressure in second season

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

Around the League will examine one key figure under pressure on each team heading into the 2012 season. Next up: The San Francisco 49ers.

It was hard to imagine Peyton Manning in San Francisco for more reasons than just salary cap issues. This is Jim Harbaugh's team. Everyone else is secondary.

Under Pressure: Jim Harbaugh

1. The 49ers' schedule is brutal on paper. They play the AFC East and the NFC North outside of their divisional foes, which is probably the toughest schedule possible. The NFC West is vastly improved, with the Seattle Seahawks' and Arizona Cardinals' defenses both emerging.

2. Harbaugh and his band of ex-Stanford coaches out-schemed the rest of the NFL last year on both sides of the ball. It's rare to see a coaching staff create consistent schematic advantages week after week. Harbaugh did that. The rest of the league has now had an offseason to look at film and figure out what Harbaugh was up to. Can he stay ahead of the curve?

3. Higher expectations equal more pressure. We've seen the 49ers listed as the NFC favorites in a few spots. Their defense is outstanding on paper, but defense, statistically speaking, is less consistent, year-to-year, than offense. The 49ers' offense was efficient last year, but quarterback Alex Smith still has to grow more to become a difference-maker.

4. The 49ers added running back Brandon Jacobs and receivers Mario Manningham, Randy Moss and A.J. Jenkins in an attempt to give their offense more depth. There are a lot of moving pieces for Smith and Harbaugh to integrate.

5. Some teams are led by the starting quarterback. He's the guy set up to take the most heat. That's not how it works in San Francisco. Harbaugh is the front man of this band; he is going to get the credit when things go well and the blame when things don't.

This season almost inevitably won't go as smoothly as last for this 49ers team. We are really interested in seeing how Harbaugh and the 49ers respond to adversity. They are no longer underdogs.
 
I've walked from Bayshore station to the Stick, for baseball games.
Anywhere's walking distance if you have the time.
For football games I had a friend with Alumni parking. And it's not easy at all to get to that area where the proposed stadium is being built. They still haven't fully figured out parking yet. I've been in many a freeway soup driving down there. Forget the rail. I'm sure by the time the San Jose 49er play there it will be improved, but I doubt it traffic will be better then when they played at the Stick. As far as population density it's San Jose proper, and the ticket prices won't reflect most of that population anyway.
The suburbs of San Jose (Santa Clara/Sunnyvale/Mountain View/Union City/Fremont etc.) have as much population as San Francisco, before you even bring in San Jose itself.Look, I live in Oakland and I bailed on going to the Cal-Fresno State game because Candlestick is a pain to get to (not to mention that it's a ####hole). I think Santa Clara is insane to fund the stadium and they'll probably take a bath on it, but I don't think the argument that a Santa Clara stadium is harder to get to holds water.
Waling to it wasn't that bad. There isn't much around the Stick to go get a cocktail, but neither does OAK have a place to go either. Talk about craphole areas too. I would walk to the new Giants park from downtown too even though it's easy to get to by rail. That can be just as far as a walk from North Beach like Bayshore. I hated gigs at the SC Marriott. For one, to get there via public transportation (I lived in SF thus no car) was a PITA. Second, there is nothing as far as restaurants around there except for a Bennigans. Even though one shop I worked for was located in SF, we still had to book rooms in SC for a week long stint at the SC Convention Center. It's not like we could drive to SC everyday from SF. Same goes for SJ. It was a pain then without a Stadium. The thing is, the land right by the Bayshore station could have been where the stadium could be relocated. The Yorks wanted out of SF because for one, they don't live in the Bay Area full time, and John York has no spine. As much as it looks like Jed's move, it's his parent's team. This move is the one John York wanted. Because Gavin Newsome stepped on his penis.
I do think that they should have placed the new stadium closer to the San Jose Diridon Station (which is closer to the Shark tank). That would have made much more sense since that is a central hub for all kinds of public transportation.The current site for the stadium lacks any kind of real fine dining (Birk's is the closest to it at the moment). One other thing that just occurred to me... there is a waste disposal site not too far from the new stadium. I wonder if the stench will make it that far to the stadium during those August-October hot windy days? :X
But then they would REALLY have to call them the San Jose 49ers. Who will choke every playoffs like the Sharks.
 
Jim Harbaugh faces pressure in second season

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

Around the League will examine one key figure under pressure on each team heading into the 2012 season. Next up: The San Francisco 49ers.

It was hard to imagine Peyton Manning in San Francisco for more reasons than just salary cap issues. This is Jim Harbaugh's team. Everyone else is secondary.

Under Pressure: Jim Harbaugh

1. The 49ers' schedule is brutal on paper. They play the AFC East and the NFC North outside of their divisional foes, which is probably the toughest schedule possible. The NFC West is vastly improved, with the Seattle Seahawks' and Arizona Cardinals' defenses both emerging.

2. Harbaugh and his band of ex-Stanford coaches out-schemed the rest of the NFL last year on both sides of the ball. It's rare to see a coaching staff create consistent schematic advantages week after week. Harbaugh did that. The rest of the league has now had an offseason to look at film and figure out what Harbaugh was up to. Can he stay ahead of the curve?

3. Higher expectations equal more pressure. We've seen the 49ers listed as the NFC favorites in a few spots. Their defense is outstanding on paper, but defense, statistically speaking, is less consistent, year-to-year, than offense. The 49ers' offense was efficient last year, but quarterback Alex Smith still has to grow more to become a difference-maker.

4. The 49ers added running back Brandon Jacobs and receivers Mario Manningham, Randy Moss and A.J. Jenkins in an attempt to give their offense more depth. There are a lot of moving pieces for Smith and Harbaugh to integrate.

5. Some teams are led by the starting quarterback. He's the guy set up to take the most heat. That's not how it works in San Francisco. Harbaugh is the front man of this band; he is going to get the credit when things go well and the blame when things don't.

This season almost inevitably won't go as smoothly as last for this 49ers team. We are really interested in seeing how Harbaugh and the 49ers respond to adversity. They are no longer underdogs.
All I can say is that they still have Alex Smith. Who apparently has a beef with guys who throw for over 3100 yards.
 
Colin Kaepernick struggling with accuracy for 49ers

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

Lost in all the he said, Harbaugh said regarding the San Francisco 49ers-Peyton Manning flirtation is the fact that Alex Smith was supposed to be challenged by guys on his own roster.

It's not like the Niners drafted Colin Kaepernick high in the second round last year to sit on the bench forever. A lot of folks expected Kaepernick to challenge for the starting job as a rookie, but it never happened because the team was so successful.

It doesn't appear likely to happen this year, either. Smith has the big contract for 2012, and coach Jim Harbaugh has supported Smith publicly as if Smith was his son. Kaepernick's performance on the practice field hasn't wowed onlookers, either.

The San Francisco Chronicle noted Wednesday that Kaepernick has struggled with his accuracy throughout minicamp. We hesitate to draw too much from these practice reports, but the minicamp performance is consistent with what we've heard throughout the offseason.

Smith could still face heat for his job during the season if he struggles. But it won't necessarily come from Kaepernick. Josh Johnson -- Harbaugh's former player at San Diego State -- could give Kaepernick a battle for the backup spot in San Francisco.

With San Francisco's brutal schedule, the identity of its backup quarterback could be important to know this year. You don't need to live in a diabolical world to get that.
 
Moss showing off star power for Niners

Posted June 14, 2012 @ 3:57 p.m. ET

By Dan Arkush

So far, so good. Real good, in fact.

To a man, sources on the Bay area scene agree that future Hall of Famer Randy Moss couldn’t be making a better impression in the early stages of the Niners’ offseason after a one-year layoff.

“You can still see the Hall of Fame skills,” one team insider said of the 35-year-old Moss. “At times, he’s been unstoppable (as was the case on his nifty TD grab on a crossing pattern in a two-minute drill at the end of Wednesday’s mandatory minicamp practice), and he has very much quickly become the leader of the receiving corps. He sits in the front row in team meetings, takes notes and is extremely smart. He still has that major star power, and his teammates definitely recognize that.”

So does Niners offensive coordinator Greg Roman.

“He has really been as good as you can possibly ask for in terms of being totally engrossed in football,” Roman said. “He’s a throwback. … He’s got his family and football and his faith, and that’s what he’s all about. And it’s been great watching the players interact, the quarterbacks interact, the receivers interact with him. And we’ll all be better because of it.”

The consensus seems to be that the Niners’ overall WR corps is a whole lot better than it was last season. Two other pass catchers drawing particularly rave reviews up to now are Michael Crabtree, who has been thriving in his first full injury-free offseason with the team, and Kyle Williams, who has been an eye-opening force in the slot.

“They (the wide receivers) are going to have to be a lot better; there’s no way the defense is going to be as amazing as it was last year,” the insider said.
 
Moss continues to impress.

Randy Moss has backed up the positive first impression he made with the San Francisco 49ers this offseason.

Even defensive players and coaches have been impressed.

"Well, just how committed and down to earth of a football player he is," defensive coordinator Vic Fangio said during the 49ers' recently concluded mandatory minicamp. "He has really been as good as you can possibly ask for in terms of being totally engrossed in football. He's a throwback."

"I don't care how old he is, he's a playmaker," Vernon Davis said of new 49ers teammate Randy Moss.

We've discussed Moss' history in detail, noting that "with Moss, it's often about impressive debuts and new beginnings. Sometimes, he sticks around and produces, as the case was with New England. Other times, the initial impressions do not foreshadow future results."

This seemed like a good time for a fuller progress report. Veteran players are finished until training camp.

"It's been great watching the players interact, the quarterbacks interact, the receivers interact with him," Fangio said. "And we'll all be better because of it. And just truly impressed with everything Randy Moss represents."

49ers safety Donte Whitner played against Moss for four seasons in the AFC East. Whitner sees Moss as highly motivated and still possessing sufficient physical abilities:

"Moss still has the vertical speed. Ever since he’s been in the National Football League, it never looks like he’s running fast. He’s such a long strider. But once he gets up on you, it’s separation time. He always had the hands, he always had the want-to when he wants to go out there and play football.

"He hasn’t really said anything. He just goes out and plays football. You can see him in the weight room first thing in the morning, when no one else is here. I think he’s truly, truly motivated to go out and quiet a lot of critics.

"I think him being with [Michael] Crabtree and having an explosive group, with [Mario] Manningham and Vernon Davis, there are not going to be many people who can double cover and put a safety over the top because you have other weapons. Plus, you have a running game.

"So, I believe he’s going to see as much one-on-one coverage as he’s ever seen in his career. And I believe he’s going to be able to take advantage of it. He’s been doing it in practice. He’s a really good football player still and he’s always been a freak of nature. That’s why they call him, 'The Freak.' "

The 49ers have generally favored a second tight end over a third wide receiver in their personnel packages on early downs (and sometimes even on third down). They still will, in some cases, because second tight end Delanie Walker adds another dimension. But the 49ers also have the ability to line up with Moss, Crabtree and Manningham at wide receiver. That gives them more playmaking ability, at least on paper, than they've had previously. Defenses have to account for Davis and Frank Gore as well.

"I don’t care how old he is, he's a playmaker," Davis said. "He’s had a lot of sucesss. One thing I know about Moss is he’s going to compete. It’s in his nature. ... He might not be as fast as he was back in the day, but he still has great ball skills. His ball skills are pretty significant to what we’re trying to do."

To be continued during training camp and as long as Moss remains on the roster.
 
A.J. Jenkins struggles at San Francisco 49ers minicamp

San Francisco 49ers rookie wide receiver A.J. Jenkins might find himself fifth on the team's depth chart entering training camp, The Press Democrat reported Saturday.

In a review of the Niners minicamp last week, the newspaper called Jenkins, the team's top pick (No. 30 overall) in the draft, the "biggest letdown."

"He didn't play with the first- or second-team offense on Tuesday, and he didn't catch a pass in scrimmages on Wednesday," the newspaper noted. "He had trouble staying on his feet all three days, which was odd considering it was a non-contact minicamp."

Jenkins, who has yet to sign his rookie deal, appears to be far behind Michael Crabtree, Randy Moss, Mario Manningham and Kyle Williams. The newspaper said undrafted receivers Nathan Palmer and Bryan Tyms outperformed the Illinois product.
 
Niners will field one of the NFL's most explosive offenses in 2012

By Bucky Brooks NFL.com

Analyst

SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- The San Francisco 49ers were on the verge of capturing the NFC crown a season ago, but a scattershot offense kept them from reaching their potential. San Francisco ranked 26th in total offense and 29th in passing offense. However, after watching the offense work out in minicamp, I'm convinced the Niners will have one of the NFL's most explosive offenses.

Here are four reasons why:

1. Alex Smith's game continues to evolve.

The former No. 1 overall pick surprised everyone with his outstanding play a season ago. Smith completed 61.3 percent of his passes for 3,144 yards with 17 touchdowns and only five interceptions. He ranked ninth in the NFL with a 90.7 passer rating -- ahead of Ben Roethlisberger, Philip Rivers, Jay Cutler, Michael Vick, Cam Newton and Joe Flacco, among others.

While his numbers were certainly impressive, it was his ability to adapt to Jim Harbaugh's system that stood out the most to me. Smith was more decisive in the pocket and appeared to have a strong grasp of where to go with the ball on each play. This was reflected in his ability to find the second and third receivers in the progression, something he hadn't done well in the past.

In watching Smith closely at minicamp, I see a quarterback who continues to make major strides in his development. He efficiently works through his reads and quickly gets the balls into the hands of his playmakers on the move. This allows Vernon Davis, Randy Moss, Michael Crabtree and others to utilize their superior athleticism and outrun defenders in space.

Smith also displayed better footwork and fundamentals in the pocket. He routinely set up at the top of his drops with proper balance and body control, allowing him to fully incorporate his lower body into throws. As a result, his balls had more velocity and zip, and he was able to squeeze throws into tighter windows. Smith's improvement in this area was apparent when he connected with Crabtree on an angle route between multiple defenders in the end zone to conclude the 49ers' red-zone period. This was a similar throw to the game-winning toss to Davis against the Saints in the NFC divisional round, but Smith's willingness to let it rip reflects a renewed confidence in his ability to fit the ball into small windows.

If Smith's growth as a passer and playmaker transfers from the practice field to game action, the 49ers' passing game will improve by leaps and bounds in 2012.

2. The 49ers have a deeper and more talented receiving corps.

The 49ers' passing game revolved around their tight ends a season ago, but that will change in the fall. The receiving corps has been completely revamped with Randy Moss, Mario Manningham and A.J. Jenkins coming aboard in the offseason. That trio brings size, speed and big-play ability to the field, and Harbaugh will craft a game plan that takes advantage of their unique skills.

Moss, who sat out last season following the lockout, still possesses the speed and quickness to thrive as a vertical weapon on the perimeter. He has impressed Niners coaches with his ability to track the ball in flight, and remains a threat to run past defenders on deep routes. After watching him work out at practice, I was not only impressed with his raw speed, but his burst coming out of breaks. He routinely separated from defenders on crossing routes, and that could encourage the 49ers to use him on more horizontal routes to capitalize on his ability to get outside the defense.

Manningham joins the team after a productive four-year run with the New York Giants. He amassed 160 receptions for 2,315 yards and 18 touchdowns as a part-time starter, but has shown flashes of brilliance when healthy. For instance, Manningham totaled five receptions for 73 yards in Super Bowl XLVI, including the 38-yard catch the keyed the Giants' game-winning drive. His ability to make big plays down the field will add a different dimension to a 49ers' offense that lacked a consistent vertical threat a season ago. In practice, Manningham's playmaking ability was on full display, as he routinely came down with acrobatic catches in traffic. With most defenses lacking quality corners throughout the depth chart, the 49ers have a huge advantage when spreading out the field.

Jenkins, the 49ers' first-round pick, is a smooth, fluid playmaker in the mold of Brandon Lloyd. He excels at running the intermediate portion of the route tree. From speed outs to square-ins, Jenkins' ability to separate from defenders will allow him to man any position in San Francisco's four-receiver sets. If he can quickly master the playbook, he could be a key contributor as a first-year player.

3. The Randy Moss factor will alter opponents' game plans.

Moss has been virtually invisible over the past two seasons -- sitting out all of last season, while tallying just 28 receptions for 393 yards and five touchdowns with the Patriots, Vikings and Titans in 2010 -- but defensive coordinators will still pay extra attention to the six-time Pro Bowler out of respect for his impact potential. This will likely lead some teams to roll coverage in his direction, making sure the corner always has a safety over the top to limit deep-ball opportunities. Opponents will also mix in different combinations of coverage with various brackets and traps to ensure Moss doesn't face isolated matchups on a consistent basis.

Although these tactics will impact Moss' ability to make big plays, it should open up the field for the rest of San Francisco's pass catchers. Davis and Crabtree, in particular, should benefit from the added attention paid to Moss. Both excel at finding openings in the intermediate areas of the field, and Moss' ability to clear zones with his speed should provide them with more room to work. The 49ers' passing game is built upon the utilization of crossing routes at various levels, making Moss a perfect vertical decoy.

Moss' impact will also improve the 49ers' running game, with opponents unable to extensively use eight-man fronts to crowd the line of scrimmage. Defensive coordinators will hesitate to drop a safety in the box when considering the potential problems created by leaving a corner isolated on Moss on the outside. As a result, Frank Gore, Kendall Hunter and LaMichael James will find more room to run between the tackles without an additional defender at the second level.

4. Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman are getting more creative with formations and personnel packages.

The 49ers' offensive staff deserves a ton of credit for utilizing various formations, shifts, motions and personnel packages to mask their offensive deficiencies a season ago. Harbaugh and Roman would creatively switch between "21" (two running backs, one tight end and two receivers), "12" (one back, two tight ends and two receivers) and "22" (two running backs, two tight end and one receiver) packages to prevent defensive coordinators from honing in on their offensive intentions, while also creating mismatch opportunities for their top playmakers (Davis, Crabtree and Gore) in space.

Here are some of the exotic formations and packages used by the 49ers a season ago:

(click on the link to see the pictures)

While most offensive coordinators around the league attempt to create big-play opportunities in a similar fashion, the 49ers were exceptional at using multiplicity to generate big gainers in the passing game despite lacking a legitimate outside threat last year. However, the additions of several playmakers to the receiving corps could make the 49ers' utilization of multiple formations, shifts and personnel packages deadly in 2012.

At practice, San Francisco seamlessly shifted from two-back formations with one or two tight ends on the field to empty sets with two receivers aligned in the slots and the tight ends and/or running backs deployed on the outside. The 49ers complemented their exotic formations with various motions and shifts in the backfield. This subtle tactic can alter the strength call for the defense, making it difficult for the defenders to know their assigned gaps and coverage responsibilities.

Long story short: The Niners showcased clever strategies last season, but now they have the pieces to really give opposing defenses fits.
 
I'll believe 1-3 when I see it. I certainly don't anticipate the appearance of 4 WR sets all of the sudden.

Also don't think Jenkins not impressing is a big deal at this point.

 
Niners will field one of the NFL's most explosive offenses in 2012

By Bucky Brooks NFL.com

Analyst

SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- The San Francisco 49ers were on the verge of capturing the NFC crown a season ago, but a scattershot offense kept them from reaching their potential. San Francisco ranked 26th in total offense and 29th in passing offense. However, after watching the offense work out in minicamp, I'm convinced the Niners will have one of the NFL's most explosive offenses.

Here are four reasons why:

1. Alex Smith's game continues to evolve.

The former No. 1 overall pick surprised everyone with his outstanding play a season ago. Smith completed 61.3 percent of his passes for 3,144 yards with 17 touchdowns and only five interceptions. He ranked ninth in the NFL with a 90.7 passer rating -- ahead of Ben Roethlisberger, Philip Rivers, Jay Cutler, Michael Vick, Cam Newton and Joe Flacco, among others.

While his numbers were certainly impressive, it was his ability to adapt to Jim Harbaugh's system that stood out the most to me. Smith was more decisive in the pocket and appeared to have a strong grasp of where to go with the ball on each play. This was reflected in his ability to find the second and third receivers in the progression, something he hadn't done well in the past.

In watching Smith closely at minicamp, I see a quarterback who continues to make major strides in his development. He efficiently works through his reads and quickly gets the balls into the hands of his playmakers on the move. This allows Vernon Davis, Randy Moss, Michael Crabtree and others to utilize their superior athleticism and outrun defenders in space.

Smith also displayed better footwork and fundamentals in the pocket. He routinely set up at the top of his drops with proper balance and body control, allowing him to fully incorporate his lower body into throws. As a result, his balls had more velocity and zip, and he was able to squeeze throws into tighter windows. Smith's improvement in this area was apparent when he connected with Crabtree on an angle route between multiple defenders in the end zone to conclude the 49ers' red-zone period. This was a similar throw to the game-winning toss to Davis against the Saints in the NFC divisional round, but Smith's willingness to let it rip reflects a renewed confidence in his ability to fit the ball into small windows.

If Smith's growth as a passer and playmaker transfers from the practice field to game action, the 49ers' passing game will improve by leaps and bounds in 2012.

2. The 49ers have a deeper and more talented receiving corps.

The 49ers' passing game revolved around their tight ends a season ago, but that will change in the fall. The receiving corps has been completely revamped with Randy Moss, Mario Manningham and A.J. Jenkins coming aboard in the offseason. That trio brings size, speed and big-play ability to the field, and Harbaugh will craft a game plan that takes advantage of their unique skills.

Moss, who sat out last season following the lockout, still possesses the speed and quickness to thrive as a vertical weapon on the perimeter. He has impressed Niners coaches with his ability to track the ball in flight, and remains a threat to run past defenders on deep routes. After watching him work out at practice, I was not only impressed with his raw speed, but his burst coming out of breaks. He routinely separated from defenders on crossing routes, and that could encourage the 49ers to use him on more horizontal routes to capitalize on his ability to get outside the defense.

Manningham joins the team after a productive four-year run with the New York Giants. He amassed 160 receptions for 2,315 yards and 18 touchdowns as a part-time starter, but has shown flashes of brilliance when healthy. For instance, Manningham totaled five receptions for 73 yards in Super Bowl XLVI, including the 38-yard catch the keyed the Giants' game-winning drive. His ability to make big plays down the field will add a different dimension to a 49ers' offense that lacked a consistent vertical threat a season ago. In practice, Manningham's playmaking ability was on full display, as he routinely came down with acrobatic catches in traffic. With most defenses lacking quality corners throughout the depth chart, the 49ers have a huge advantage when spreading out the field.

Jenkins, the 49ers' first-round pick, is a smooth, fluid playmaker in the mold of Brandon Lloyd. He excels at running the intermediate portion of the route tree. From speed outs to square-ins, Jenkins' ability to separate from defenders will allow him to man any position in San Francisco's four-receiver sets. If he can quickly master the playbook, he could be a key contributor as a first-year player.

3. The Randy Moss factor will alter opponents' game plans.

Moss has been virtually invisible over the past two seasons -- sitting out all of last season, while tallying just 28 receptions for 393 yards and five touchdowns with the Patriots, Vikings and Titans in 2010 -- but defensive coordinators will still pay extra attention to the six-time Pro Bowler out of respect for his impact potential. This will likely lead some teams to roll coverage in his direction, making sure the corner always has a safety over the top to limit deep-ball opportunities. Opponents will also mix in different combinations of coverage with various brackets and traps to ensure Moss doesn't face isolated matchups on a consistent basis.

Although these tactics will impact Moss' ability to make big plays, it should open up the field for the rest of San Francisco's pass catchers. Davis and Crabtree, in particular, should benefit from the added attention paid to Moss. Both excel at finding openings in the intermediate areas of the field, and Moss' ability to clear zones with his speed should provide them with more room to work. The 49ers' passing game is built upon the utilization of crossing routes at various levels, making Moss a perfect vertical decoy.

Moss' impact will also improve the 49ers' running game, with opponents unable to extensively use eight-man fronts to crowd the line of scrimmage. Defensive coordinators will hesitate to drop a safety in the box when considering the potential problems created by leaving a corner isolated on Moss on the outside. As a result, Frank Gore, Kendall Hunter and LaMichael James will find more room to run between the tackles without an additional defender at the second level.

4. Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman are getting more creative with formations and personnel packages.

The 49ers' offensive staff deserves a ton of credit for utilizing various formations, shifts, motions and personnel packages to mask their offensive deficiencies a season ago. Harbaugh and Roman would creatively switch between "21" (two running backs, one tight end and two receivers), "12" (one back, two tight ends and two receivers) and "22" (two running backs, two tight end and one receiver) packages to prevent defensive coordinators from honing in on their offensive intentions, while also creating mismatch opportunities for their top playmakers (Davis, Crabtree and Gore) in space.

Here are some of the exotic formations and packages used by the 49ers a season ago:

(click on the link to see the pictures)

While most offensive coordinators around the league attempt to create big-play opportunities in a similar fashion, the 49ers were exceptional at using multiplicity to generate big gainers in the passing game despite lacking a legitimate outside threat last year. However, the additions of several playmakers to the receiving corps could make the 49ers' utilization of multiple formations, shifts and personnel packages deadly in 2012.

At practice, San Francisco seamlessly shifted from two-back formations with one or two tight ends on the field to empty sets with two receivers aligned in the slots and the tight ends and/or running backs deployed on the outside. The 49ers complemented their exotic formations with various motions and shifts in the backfield. This subtle tactic can alter the strength call for the defense, making it difficult for the defenders to know their assigned gaps and coverage responsibilities.

Long story short: The Niners showcased clever strategies last season, but now they have the pieces to really give opposing defenses fits.
Is NFL.com recruiting bloggers from Bleacher Report?
 
A.J. Jenkins signed four-year rookie deal with 49ers

By Marc Sessler

Writer

After a rocky first act to his offseason, A.J. Jenkins officially is a member of the San Francisco 49ers.

The rookie wide receiver signed a four-year deal Wednesday, the team announced. Terms of the deal were undisclosed, but Matt Maiocco of Comcast SportsNet Bay Area reported the total at $6.9 million.

Jenkins, the 30th overall pick out of Illinois, struggled at 49ers minicamp, giving way to whispers he could open training camp fifth on the depth chart.

It's a crowded house at wideout. Coach Jim Harbaugh spent the offseason stocking up at the position to help quarterback Alex Smith and the passing attack shift out of first gear in 2012. Jenkins has to work his way up through a group that includes Michael Crabtree, Randy Moss, Mario Manningham and Kyle Williams. Hints were dropped that undrafted pass-catchers Nathan Palmer and Bryan Tyms have outplayed the team's top pick. Not exactly household names.

Jenkins grew up adoring Moss. We'd advise the rookie to stick close to Randy -- and keep Jerry Rice on speed-dial -- between now and the season.

It's too early to put a grade on Jenkins' slow start. He has time to shut out the critics and make up ground. The 49ers expect nothing less.
 
Kendall Hunter has 'it' in 49ers backfield

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

As we count down the days to training camp, Around the League will examine one player from every team set for a breakout campaign in 2012. Next up: the San Francisco 49ers.

49ers running back Kendall Hunter approached the line of scrimmage looking for a hole, finding nothing. It was third-and-one against the Seahawks in Week 16. The 5-foot-7 dynamo had been stuffed the play before.

This was supposed to be Frank Gore's down. Or even Anthony Dixon. Those guys were the short-yardage hammers. What was Jim Harbaugh doing giving it to Hunter up the middle on back-to-back plays with playoff positioning on the line?

Hunter crept to the outside, but there was nowhere to go. The Seahawks had him surrounded with five defenders. In a moment of hesitation, depending on your vantage point, Hunter seemed to disappear. He waited. And then exploded up the middle like he was shot out of a cannon for 24 yards. The Seahawks defenders never saw him. So that's why Harbaugh had him in.

Making the Leap: Kendall Hunter

I don't care that the 49ers signed Brandon Jacobs. He's not even a lock to make the team. I don't care that Frank Gore is one of the most underrated players at any position over the last decade. The 49ers think they can get more with less from the aging back. I don't even care that the 49ers drafted another promising back in LaMichael James.

Kendall Hunter is going to break out this year because he has "it." And because he was drafted by the right team.

The 49ers might have the most creative offensive staff in football when it comes to the running game. They won't hesitate to have Gore and Hunter in the backfield together in a variety of formations. They will find a way to use Hunter as a receiver, a position in which he averaged 12.2 yards-per-carry.

Hunter put up 668 yards from scrimmage as a rookie. He's not going to suddenly become a workhorse, but that number could double as the 49ers find more ways to get him the ball. He's San Francisco's answer to Darren Sproles, except he has more surprising power. Again and again, we saw Hunter gain additional yards after contact. He falls forward when getting hit -- at least when you can find him.
 
Niners WR Jenkins looks like major work in progress

Posted July 07, 2012 @ 6:12 p.m. ET

By Dan Arkush

Based on his extremely inconsistent play in the early stages of the offseason, it’s hard to imagine surprise first-round WR A.J. Jenkins making anywhere near the kind of impact that surprise 2011 first-round draft pick Aldon Smith made for the Niners in his rookie campaign.

“He hasn’t looked very good,” said one daily team observer of Jenkins, who was widely considered more of a second-round talent. “He displayed some flashes with a few really difficult catches, but he’s also looked really bad at times, and he seems to have had problems staying on his feet.

“It’s early. Maybe he’ll show more in training camp.”

Entering training camp, though, close observers could make a strong case for as many as six other Niners wideouts looking better than Jenkins up to now, including undrafted rookies Chris Owusu and Nathan Palmer and not including veteran Ted Ginn, who has been nursing injuries most of the time.

Fellow newcomers Randy Moss and Mario Manningham, as well as holdovers Michael Crabtree and Kyle Williams, who both have had excellent offseasons up to now by all accounts, have greatly overshadowed Jenkins, who sources agree needs to work on building up his upper-body strength in order to hold up against aggressive press corners at the pro level.
 
Jim Harbaugh sees Randy Moss as 49ers' top receiver

By Dan Hanzus

Writer

You have to respect Jim Harbaugh for not even bothering to slow down the Randy Moss hype train. He's actually like the maniacally laughing mad man, tearing off the emergency brake and flinging it out the window.

Talking Niners on SiriusXM NFL Radio (via the San Jose Mercury News), Rich Gannon said Harbaugh calls Moss the team's "best receiver right now," while praising his positive effect on teammates.

Gannon told listeners about a conversation Harbaugh and Moss had before the veteran signed in March.

"At the end of the meeting, Randy turned to Jim Harbaugh and said, 'Coach, what do you want me to do, what can I do for you?'" Gannon said. "And Jim looked at him and said, 'For starters I'd like you to sit in the front row of my meetings.'

"He said by doing that it's brought guys like (Michael) Crabtree, who'd hang out in the back, and some of these other young guys, now they're sitting up front with Randy Moss," he said. "They don't have the hoodies on anymore. They're alert. They're paying attention. Randy's taking notes. Every meeting that coach has had, Randy Moss has been sitting in the front row."

It's worth noting that prior to Moss' arrival, it was generally believed Crabree was the team's No. 1 wideout. Following an NFC Championship Game in which Niners wideouts finished with one catch for three yards, it's not surprising the perception of roles has shifted.
 
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I'd like to see more of Tolzien with the second team than Kaep. I know it's pre-season, but I dunno if I wanna see Kaep as the backup to Smith yet.

 
I'd like to see more of Tolzien with the second team than Kaep. I know it's pre-season, but I dunno if I wanna see Kaep as the backup to Smith yet.
How about now? Preseason totals:Kaep: 25 of 39, 297yds, 2tds, 0ints, 7rush for 122yds and 1tdJosh: 15 of 25, 219yds, 2tds and 0ints, 11rush for 63ydsTolz: 18 of 34, 165yds, 0tds, 2ints, 2rush for 8yds
 
I'd like to see more of Tolzien with the second team than Kaep. I know it's pre-season, but I dunno if I wanna see Kaep as the backup to Smith yet.
How about now? Preseason totals:Kaep: 25 of 39, 297yds, 2tds, 0ints, 7rush for 122yds and 1tdJosh: 15 of 25, 219yds, 2tds and 0ints, 11rush for 63ydsTolz: 18 of 34, 165yds, 0tds, 2ints, 2rush for 8yds
TZ is more of a pocket passer, and a lot of Kaep's completions were on the run while escaping the pocket. TZ runs a more 'traditional' style of QB play. You can't really look at these stats to compare TZ to either of the other QB's. Kaep get's more snaps too. I'd definitely take TZ over JJ.
 
I'd like to see more of Tolzien with the second team than Kaep. I know it's pre-season, but I dunno if I wanna see Kaep as the backup to Smith yet.
How about now? Preseason totals:Kaep: 25 of 39, 297yds, 2tds, 0ints, 7rush for 122yds and 1tdJosh: 15 of 25, 219yds, 2tds and 0ints, 11rush for 63ydsTolz: 18 of 34, 165yds, 0tds, 2ints, 2rush for 8yds
TZ is more of a pocket passer, and a lot of Kaep's completions were on the run while escaping the pocket. TZ runs a more 'traditional' style of QB play. You can't really look at these stats to compare TZ to either of the other QB's. Kaep get's more snaps too. I'd definitely take TZ over JJ.
I noticed Kaep has been pretty accurate when throwing on the run. Hes also made some nice throws that the receivers just flat out missed. I think hes coming along nicely.Has Harbaugh said we are gonna carry 4 QBs? if so, Tolz is safe. If not, hes gone, IMO.
 
I'd like to see more of Tolzien with the second team than Kaep. I know it's pre-season, but I dunno if I wanna see Kaep as the backup to Smith yet.
How about now? Preseason totals:Kaep: 25 of 39, 297yds, 2tds, 0ints, 7rush for 122yds and 1tdJosh: 15 of 25, 219yds, 2tds and 0ints, 11rush for 63ydsTolz: 18 of 34, 165yds, 0tds, 2ints, 2rush for 8yds
TZ is more of a pocket passer, and a lot of Kaep's completions were on the run while escaping the pocket. TZ runs a more 'traditional' style of QB play. You can't really look at these stats to compare TZ to either of the other QB's. Kaep get's more snaps too. I'd definitely take TZ over JJ.
I noticed Kaep has been pretty accurate when throwing on the run. Hes also made some nice throws that the receivers just flat out missed. I think hes coming along nicely.Has Harbaugh said we are gonna carry 4 QBs? if so, Tolz is safe. If not, hes gone, IMO.
Yeah, he has a great release where it looks like the ball just launches with little effort. It has gotten quicker out of the pocket since the first two games of the pre-season. The difference I see between TZ and Kaep is in the pre-snap read. TZ's stats during pre-season (I mean, it's pre-season. Shaun Hill hardly got a shot in the pre-season with Martz and wound up running his offense better than Martz's JTO who he brought in because he knew his offense better than both Hill and Smith) don't mean much really. I dunno if he is a goner if they decide to go with 3 QB's because he is well liked by the staff, is at HQ almost 24/7 since he has been signed soaking up everything he can, and one of the hardest working guys on the team. It was either Lynch or Branch (SF Gate 49er beat writers) who think TZ is a lock because of that.
 
'Beerguzzler said:
Kaep looked like the better QB last night.
Agreed. Wouldn't mind them keeping Tolzien though. Kaepernick has made some big strides since last year. Here's hoping he continues to improve and can be the qb of the future if Alex Smith can't build on last year.
 
UPDATE: Josh Johnson didn't make the cut. Smith, Kaep, TZ is the 49ers QB roster as of now.

List of 49er cuts:

OLB Ikaika Alama-Francis

OLB Eric Bakhtiari

RB Rock Cartwright

OL Derek Hall

LB Joe Holland

DL Tony Jerod-Eddie

OLB Cam Johnson

QB Josh Johnson

DL Matthew Masifilo

CB Anthony Mosely

LS Kyle Nelson

OL Al Netter

WR Chris Owusu

WR Nathan Palmer

OL Mike Person

TE Konrad Reuland

OLB Kenny Rowe

WR Brett Swain

S Michael Thomas

T Kenny Wiggins

ILB Michael Wilhoite

Traded: Colin Jones (to Carolina for a future 7th-round pick)

 

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