***official*** all things Microsoft Xbox One (2 Viewers)

[FreeBaGeL]

Impressive. The close alignment with EA is a pain but everything else looks good. Christmas is going to be an all out war between Sony and Microsoft. 15 exclusives including 8 new ip is really awesome in the first year. 300,000 servers is crazy awesome.

Question is how many of those exclusives are XBLA or Kinect kiddy games.

Glad to see some new IPs though if they are full games. Xbox ushered out a lot of the big new IPs that have become mainstays early last gen.

 

[SlaX]

Thoughts on price? I say it's going to be no lower than $399. If they come in any lower, Sony is SCREWED.

Rumor is $300 with a two year XBox Live contract (which will now be around $20 a month) and $500 up front. But this was the rumor that was "leaked" a couple of weeks ago.

$20 a month? That seems unlikely.

That was what many thought when they upped the price before, but the sheep paid it anyway. I did read that some sources speculated $15/month. But a huge price hike is expected.

The higher price is for those that buy the subsidized console and sign up for the contract at the monthly fee. It wouldn't affect the people that buy the annual pass (which is probably everyone here).

XBL actually costs $15/month already if you pay by the month. It's just that an annual membership costs $60 (and most people usually pay around $40 for it).

This is not the case according to the news that went out several weeks ago. I'm sure we'll likely hear more about price points during E3. So it's all speculation at this point.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Thoughts on price? I say it's going to be no lower than $399. If they come in any lower, Sony is SCREWED.

Rumor is $300 with a two year XBox Live contract (which will now be around $20 a month) and $500 up front. But this was the rumor that was "leaked" a couple of weeks ago.

$20 a month? That seems unlikely.

That was what many thought when they upped the price before, but the sheep paid it anyway. I did read that some sources speculated $15/month. But a huge price hike is expected.

The higher price is for those that buy the subsidized console and sign up for the contract at the monthly fee. It wouldn't affect the people that buy the annual pass (which is probably everyone here).

XBL actually costs $15/month already if you pay by the month. It's just that an annual membership costs $60 (and most people usually pay around $40 for it).

This is not the case according to the news that went out several weeks ago. I'm sure we'll likely hear more about price points during E3. So it's all speculation at this point.

Link?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The XBox One will still restrict the playing of used games. They will be tied to one account and you'll have to pay to unlock the ability to play them on another account. Microsoft is really going out of their way to ensure I don't buy the next XBox.

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-is-not-always-online-but-seems-to-block-used-509077987

It sounds like that means you might be able to play games without the disc in the drive? My lazy ### would be disproportionately happy about that.

Yes, but that kills being able to rent games or loaning and borrowing from friends. I don't buy used, but those other things I do all the time.

Meh, I know I'm in the minority but I'd rather the convenience of never having to change discs personally. Gaming is already such a ridiculously cheap hobby compared to most for the amount of hours of entertainment you get out of it.

It would definitely be a stake through the heart of gamefly though.

 

[SlaX]

Thoughts on price? I say it's going to be no lower than $399. If they come in any lower, Sony is SCREWED.

Rumor is $300 with a two year XBox Live contract (which will now be around $20 a month) and $500 up front. But this was the rumor that was "leaked" a couple of weeks ago.

$20 a month? That seems unlikely.

That was what many thought when they upped the price before, but the sheep paid it anyway. I did read that some sources speculated $15/month. But a huge price hike is expected.

The higher price is for those that buy the subsidized console and sign up for the contract at the monthly fee. It wouldn't affect the people that buy the annual pass (which is probably everyone here).

XBL actually costs $15/month already if you pay by the month. It's just that an annual membership costs $60 (and most people usually pay around $40 for it).

This is not the case according to the news that went out several weeks ago. I'm sure we'll likely hear more about price points during E3. So it's all speculation at this point.

Here is a Forbes article about this from earlier this month. I gotta run. I'll catch up with the thread later.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2013/05/06/why-microsofts-next-xbox-will-likely-come-with-a-monthly-subscription/

 

[jwb]

The XBox One will still restrict the playing of used games. They will be tied to one account and you'll have to pay to unlock the ability to play them on another account. Microsoft is really going out of their way to ensure I don't buy the next XBox.

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-is-not-always-online-but-seems-to-block-used-509077987

It sounds like that means you might be able to play games without the disc in the drive? My lazy ### would be disproportionately happy about that.

Yes, but that kills being able to rent games or loaning and borrowing from friends. I don't buy used, but those other things I do all the time.

I honestly don't think they (or any game company) cares about the used market, the rental market, or any of those things. A game's success is generally measured by new sales over the first few weeks/months, and that's it. Why would they care about any secondary market? Nobody except Gamestop and Redbox makes any money from this. A few people will complain on forums, but will probably bite the bullet and jump in anyway, because their other option is to give up the hobby.

ETA - besides, why is this even an issue? It's very clear that physical media is going to be gone fairly soon. We can all see that coming, right?

 

[Time Kibitzer]

The XBox One will still restrict the playing of used games. They will be tied to one account and you'll have to pay to unlock the ability to play them on another account. Microsoft is really going out of their way to ensure I don't buy the next XBox.

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-is-not-always-online-but-seems-to-block-used-509077987

It sounds like that means you might be able to play games without the disc in the drive? My lazy ### would be disproportionately happy about that.

Yes, but that kills being able to rent games or loaning and borrowing from friends. I don't buy used, but those other things I do all the time.

I honestly don't think they (or any game company) cares about the used market, the rental market, or any of those things. A game's success is generally measured by new sales over the first few weeks/months, and that's it. Why would they care about any secondary market? Nobody except Gamestop and Redbox makes any money from this. A few people will complain on forums, but will probably bite the bullet and jump in anyway, because their other option is to give up the hobby.

Because their consumers care? I'm not trying to say this is a massive deal (though a lot of relatively small deals can certainly add up quick), just pointing out that completely ignoring the opinions of one's consumers in favour of hypothetically getting as many dollars out of these consumers as possible because they know many of their consumers will pony up is what got EA in all the trouble it's currently in.

 

[LAUNCH]

The XBox One will still restrict the playing of used games. They will be tied to one account and you'll have to pay to unlock the ability to play them on another account. Microsoft is really going out of their way to ensure I don't buy the next XBox.

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-is-not-always-online-but-seems-to-block-used-509077987

It sounds like that means you might be able to play games without the disc in the drive? My lazy ### would be disproportionately happy about that.

Yes, but that kills being able to rent games or loaning and borrowing from friends. I don't buy used, but those other things I do all the time.

I honestly don't think they (or any game company) cares about the used market, the rental market, or any of those things. A game's success is generally measured by new sales over the first few weeks/months, and that's it. Why would they care about any secondary market? Nobody except Gamestop and Redbox makes any money from this. A few people will complain on forums, but will probably bite the bullet and jump in anyway, because their other option is to give up the hobby.

The difference would be if the Playstation allows used games then the people who primarily get their games that way will all flock to that system. M$ appears to have a bigger goal than just games and just giving away this segment of gamers seems short sighted.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

SlaX, on 21 May 2013 - 14:31, said:

SlaX, on 21 May 2013 - 14:29, said:

FreeBaGeL, on 21 May 2013 - 14:26, said:

SlaX, on 21 May 2013 - 14:18, said:

Worm, on 21 May 2013 - 14:17, said:

SlaX, on 21 May 2013 - 14:16, said:

Usual21, on 21 May 2013 - 14:14, said:

Thoughts on price? I say it's going to be no lower than $399. If they come in any lower, Sony is SCREWED.

Rumor is $300 with a two year XBox Live contract (which will now be around $20 a month) and $500 up front. But this was the rumor that was "leaked" a couple of weeks ago.

$20 a month? That seems unlikely.

That was what many thought when they upped the price before, but the sheep paid it anyway. I did read that some sources speculated $15/month. But a huge price hike is expected.

The higher price is for those that buy the subsidized console and sign up for the contract at the monthly fee. It wouldn't affect the people that buy the annual pass (which is probably everyone here).XBL actually costs $15/month already if you pay by the month. It's just that an annual membership costs $60 (and most people usually pay around $40 for it).

This is not the case according to the news that went out several weeks ago. I'm sure we'll likely hear more about price points during E3. So it's all speculation at this point.

Here is a Forbes article about this from earlier this month. I gotta run. I'll catch up with the thread later.http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2013/05/06/why-microsofts-next-xbox-will-likely-come-with-a-monthly-subscription/

Yeah, I think you're reading that article wrong. That refers to you paying $15/month (IE the full montly price) if you choose the subsidized version. If you buy the normal full priced version you can buy XBL the same way you do now, with the discounted yearly membership.

 

[Worm]

XB1 up close

You can pause it by right clicking. No coax input that I can see...

 

[Worm]

Kind of interesting, if you browse the #xboxreveal hashtag, it seems mostly negative. Not sure if these are just PS4 fanboys or what. Maybe just the younger audience?

As a dad who has my current 360 as a part of my main entertainment/TV/movie/gaming room, the reveal was awesome. I'm not concerned about the games/gameplay, we'll get more on that later.

 

[Worm]

The XBox One will still restrict the playing of used games. They will be tied to one account and you'll have to pay to unlock the ability to play them on another account. Microsoft is really going out of their way to ensure I don't buy the next XBox.

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-is-not-always-online-but-seems-to-block-used-509077987

Thinking about this some more, if this is the way it goes down, I don't know that it will change too much about the used game market, will it? You will probably either get slightly less money in the used market for your game, to make up for the XB1 fee, or you might end up paying slightly more for used games. But in the end, the option to buy used will still be there. This is assuming that the Xbox fee isn't like 90% of the new cost or something like that.

 

[The Tick]

Kind of interesting, if you browse the #xboxreveal hashtag, it seems mostly negative. Not sure if these are just PS4 fanboys or what. Maybe just the younger audience?

As a dad who has my current 360 as a part of my main entertainment/TV/movie/gaming room, the reveal was awesome. I'm not concerned about the games/gameplay, we'll get more on that later.

I think it's largely because most of the people who will watch the release of a new game system are pretty hard core gamers, and this introduction wasn't focused on games. Yeah, there was some really cool home entertainment features in there, but some crappy EA demo, a quick demo for a game no one is sure about, and then a COD trailer.

I didn't see it, but from what I heard the PS4 intro was games, games, games, and more games. So I think the people watching wanted to see a lot of that, and i'm also getting that feeling from the IGN commentary. They are games people, and most of what they got was wait for E3 it will be great. But you can watch TV!!!

 

[Slapdash]

Kind of interesting, if you browse the #xboxreveal hashtag, it seems mostly negative. Not sure if these are just PS4 fanboys or what. Maybe just the younger audience?

As a dad who has my current 360 as a part of my main entertainment/TV/movie/gaming room, the reveal was awesome. I'm not concerned about the games/gameplay, we'll get more on that later.

I've just been following along at the Guardian, but I don't really care about the other functions that XBOX really offers besides games. They don't do it very well anyways. Not interested in all this Kinect BS being built in at all.

 

[Worm]

Kind of interesting, if you browse the #xboxreveal hashtag, it seems mostly negative. Not sure if these are just PS4 fanboys or what. Maybe just the younger audience?

As a dad who has my current 360 as a part of my main entertainment/TV/movie/gaming room, the reveal was awesome. I'm not concerned about the games/gameplay, we'll get more on that later.

I've just been following along at the Guardian, but I don't really care about the other functions that XBOX really offers besides games. They don't do it very well anyways. Not interested in all this Kinect BS being built in at all.

It = ?

 

[Worm]

Kind of interesting, if you browse the #xboxreveal hashtag, it seems mostly negative. Not sure if these are just PS4 fanboys or what. Maybe just the younger audience?

As a dad who has my current 360 as a part of my main entertainment/TV/movie/gaming room, the reveal was awesome. I'm not concerned about the games/gameplay, we'll get more on that later.

I think it's largely because most of the people who will watch the release of a new game system are pretty hard core gamers, and this introduction wasn't focused on games. Yeah, there was some really cool home entertainment features in there, but some crappy EA demo, a quick demo for a game no one is sure about, and then a COD trailer.

I didn't see it, but from what I heard the PS4 intro was games, games, games, and more games. So I think the people watching wanted to see a lot of that, and i'm also getting that feeling from the IGN commentary. They are games people, and most of what they got was wait for E3 it will be great. But you can watch TV!!!

Yeah, makes sense. Younger hardcore gamers with no patience.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Kind of interesting, if you browse the #xboxreveal hashtag, it seems mostly negative. Not sure if these are just PS4 fanboys or what. Maybe just the younger audience?

As a dad who has my current 360 as a part of my main entertainment/TV/movie/gaming room, the reveal was awesome. I'm not concerned about the games/gameplay, we'll get more on that later.

Exactly. I do not stream movies, TV etc, on my computer ever. Having everything at your fingertips (or voice in this case) in the main living room is going to be great. I really hope the fantasy football updates etc get some more love. Who wouldn't want to know if your are winning/losing in real time while watching Sunday football.

On the flipside, I may turn into a fat ###.

 

[B-Deep]

I think Kinnect is fun, and I don't hate EA

I feel like an outsider

 

[The Tick]

Kind of interesting, if you browse the #xboxreveal hashtag, it seems mostly negative. Not sure if these are just PS4 fanboys or what. Maybe just the younger audience?

As a dad who has my current 360 as a part of my main entertainment/TV/movie/gaming room, the reveal was awesome. I'm not concerned about the games/gameplay, we'll get more on that later.

I think it's largely because most of the people who will watch the release of a new game system are pretty hard core gamers, and this introduction wasn't focused on games. Yeah, there was some really cool home entertainment features in there, but some crappy EA demo, a quick demo for a game no one is sure about, and then a COD trailer.

I didn't see it, but from what I heard the PS4 intro was games, games, games, and more games. So I think the people watching wanted to see a lot of that, and i'm also getting that feeling from the IGN commentary. They are games people, and most of what they got was wait for E3 it will be great. But you can watch TV!!!

Yeah, makes sense. Younger hardcore gamers with no patience.

Not just that, but there is currently a large push to get away from watching traditional cable/satelite television. More and more people are cutting the cable and looking to new places to get their content. While this TV feature is cool, it doesn't seem to help much, or to embrace this quest for new ways to watch content and get rid of $60+ tv bills.

 

[B-Deep]

Kind of interesting, if you browse the #xboxreveal hashtag, it seems mostly negative. Not sure if these are just PS4 fanboys or what. Maybe just the younger audience?

As a dad who has my current 360 as a part of my main entertainment/TV/movie/gaming room, the reveal was awesome. I'm not concerned about the games/gameplay, we'll get more on that later.

Exactly. I do not stream movies, TV etc, on my computer ever. Having everything at your fingertips (or voice in this case) in the main living room is going to be great. I really hope the fantasy football updates etc get some more love. Who wouldn't want to know if your are winning/losing in real time while watching Sunday football.

On the flipside, I may turn into a fat ###.

ya know

direct TV sunday ticket offers player tracking which does the same thing...

i enter alerts for my team and my opponent

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Kind of interesting, if you browse the #xboxreveal hashtag, it seems mostly negative. Not sure if these are just PS4 fanboys or what. Maybe just the younger audience?

As a dad who has my current 360 as a part of my main entertainment/TV/movie/gaming room, the reveal was awesome. I'm not concerned about the games/gameplay, we'll get more on that later.

Exactly. I do not stream movies, TV etc, on my computer ever. Having everything at your fingertips (or voice in this case) in the main living room is going to be great. I really hope the fantasy football updates etc get some more love. Who wouldn't want to know if your are winning/losing in real time while watching Sunday football.

On the flipside, I may turn into a fat ###.

ya know

direct TV sunday ticket offers player tracking which does the same thing...

i enter alerts for my team and my opponent

I am not a Direct TV subscriber.

 

[B-Deep]

Kind of interesting, if you browse the #xboxreveal hashtag, it seems mostly negative. Not sure if these are just PS4 fanboys or what. Maybe just the younger audience?

As a dad who has my current 360 as a part of my main entertainment/TV/movie/gaming room, the reveal was awesome. I'm not concerned about the games/gameplay, we'll get more on that later.

Exactly. I do not stream movies, TV etc, on my computer ever. Having everything at your fingertips (or voice in this case) in the main living room is going to be great. I really hope the fantasy football updates etc get some more love. Who wouldn't want to know if your are winning/losing in real time while watching Sunday football.

On the flipside, I may turn into a fat ###.

ya know

direct TV sunday ticket offers player tracking which does the same thing...

i enter alerts for my team and my opponent

I am not a Direct TV subscriber.

every game every week!

i'd cry every fall without the ticket, but of course i'd be subjected to Browns and Lions games, that would make anyone cry

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Kind of interesting, if you browse the #xboxreveal hashtag, it seems mostly negative. Not sure if these are just PS4 fanboys or what. Maybe just the younger audience?

As a dad who has my current 360 as a part of my main entertainment/TV/movie/gaming room, the reveal was awesome. I'm not concerned about the games/gameplay, we'll get more on that later.

Exactly. I do not stream movies, TV etc, on my computer ever. Having everything at your fingertips (or voice in this case) in the main living room is going to be great. I really hope the fantasy football updates etc get some more love. Who wouldn't want to know if your are winning/losing in real time while watching Sunday football.

On the flipside, I may turn into a fat ###.

ya know

direct TV sunday ticket offers player tracking which does the same thing...

i enter alerts for my team and my opponent

I am not a Direct TV subscriber.

I am, and I don't even use it. It's just not that useful in today's world where we always have a tablet/phone/computer within arms reach.

And Sunday Night Football? This would be more for during mid-day when there are a bunch of games that you can't see going on.

Regardless, given the whole spiel about "partnership with the NFL" and the way they demo'd it, I wouldn't be surprised if this only works for fantasy leagues run through nfl.com.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Kind of interesting, if you browse the #xboxreveal hashtag, it seems mostly negative. Not sure if these are just PS4 fanboys or what. Maybe just the younger audience?

As a dad who has my current 360 as a part of my main entertainment/TV/movie/gaming room, the reveal was awesome. I'm not concerned about the games/gameplay, we'll get more on that later.

I've just been following along at the Guardian, but I don't really care about the other functions that XBOX really offers besides games. They don't do it very well anyways. Not interested in all this Kinect BS being built in at all.

To be fair, all that stuff looked pretty snazzy. Being able to watch TV/Netflix or even play a different game while you wait for matchmaking in your main game is pretty cool.

 

[Worm]

Kind of interesting, if you browse the #xboxreveal hashtag, it seems mostly negative. Not sure if these are just PS4 fanboys or what. Maybe just the younger audience?

As a dad who has my current 360 as a part of my main entertainment/TV/movie/gaming room, the reveal was awesome. I'm not concerned about the games/gameplay, we'll get more on that later.

I think it's largely because most of the people who will watch the release of a new game system are pretty hard core gamers, and this introduction wasn't focused on games. Yeah, there was some really cool home entertainment features in there, but some crappy EA demo, a quick demo for a game no one is sure about, and then a COD trailer.

I didn't see it, but from what I heard the PS4 intro was games, games, games, and more games. So I think the people watching wanted to see a lot of that, and i'm also getting that feeling from the IGN commentary. They are games people, and most of what they got was wait for E3 it will be great. But you can watch TV!!!

Yeah, makes sense. Younger hardcore gamers with no patience.

Not just that, but there is currently a large push to get away from watching traditional cable/satelite television. More and more people are cutting the cable and looking to new places to get their content. While this TV feature is cool, it doesn't seem to help much, or to embrace this quest for new ways to watch content and get rid of $60+ tv bills.

I can see that, but I see nothing to change the fact that they have been one of the leaders in that area already, with Hulu, Netflix, Amazon, etc.

This is just another option, one that many MANY people still use for multiple reasons. My reason is sports.

 

[B-Deep]

Kind of interesting, if you browse the #xboxreveal hashtag, it seems mostly negative. Not sure if these are just PS4 fanboys or what. Maybe just the younger audience?

As a dad who has my current 360 as a part of my main entertainment/TV/movie/gaming room, the reveal was awesome. I'm not concerned about the games/gameplay, we'll get more on that later.

Exactly. I do not stream movies, TV etc, on my computer ever. Having everything at your fingertips (or voice in this case) in the main living room is going to be great. I really hope the fantasy football updates etc get some more love. Who wouldn't want to know if your are winning/losing in real time while watching Sunday football.

On the flipside, I may turn into a fat ###.

ya know

direct TV sunday ticket offers player tracking which does the same thing...

i enter alerts for my team and my opponent

I am not a Direct TV subscriber.

I am, and I don't even use it. It's just not that useful in today's world where we always have a tablet/phone/computer within arms reach.

And Sunday Night Football? This would be more for during mid-day when there are a bunch of games that you can't see going on.

Regardless, given the whole spiel about "partnership with the NFL" and the way they demo'd it, I wouldn't be surprised if this only works for fantasy leagues run through nfl.com.

actually yeah

i set it up but i usually have my ipad or laptop to check scores anyway

 

[jwb]

The XBox One will still restrict the playing of used games. They will be tied to one account and you'll have to pay to unlock the ability to play them on another account. Microsoft is really going out of their way to ensure I don't buy the next XBox.

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-is-not-always-online-but-seems-to-block-used-509077987

It sounds like that means you might be able to play games without the disc in the drive? My lazy ### would be disproportionately happy about that.

Yes, but that kills being able to rent games or loaning and borrowing from friends. I don't buy used, but those other things I do all the time.

I honestly don't think they (or any game company) cares about the used market, the rental market, or any of those things. A game's success is generally measured by new sales over the first few weeks/months, and that's it. Why would they care about any secondary market? Nobody except Gamestop and Redbox makes any money from this. A few people will complain on forums, but will probably bite the bullet and jump in anyway, because their other option is to give up the hobby.

Because their consumers care? I'm not trying to say this is a massive deal (though a lot of relatively small deals can certainly add up quick), just pointing out that completely ignoring the opinions of one's consumers in favour of hypothetically getting as many dollars out of these consumers as possible because they know many of their consumers will pony up is what got EA in all the trouble it's currently in.

Like I added onto my post, all-digital is coming sooner rather than later. So basically, you are saying they shouldn't do that so people can keep renting?

I don't see them flinching one bit at angering the used/rental market. Because that anger is coming anyway once everything moves to download-only (which I'm sure game publishers and developers are all too happy to jump onboard with - they would love to stop printing/shipping physical media). Really, there's no way to stop it. They know people will be angry for a little while, then they will either give up the hobby, or adapt to the new digital-only model.

 

[Hawks64]

Looks like the won't play used games wasn't accurate per Engadget.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

From Joystiq:

Xbox One, Microsoft's next-gen console, does not require users to be constantly connected to the internet, but it does require an internet connection, a Q&A post on Xbox Wire said. The post itself has since been removed.

The answer said the Xbox One "does not have to be always connected, but Xbox One does require a connection to the Internet."

Developers are able to use Microsoft's Azure cloud computing service with Xbox One – this could potentially shift certain computations to the cloud and require players to be online, even for single-player runs, Wired reports.

For pre-owned games, the Xbox One is designed "to enable customers to trade in and resell games," Microsoft said in the same Q&A post, promising more details later.

Xbox One allows disc games to be installed on its 500GB hard drive, removing the need for a disc entirely after the initial load-up, Microsoft tells Wired. If a second account wants to play that game the player will be asked to pay a fee and install the game on his own console. It's unclear if installing every game on Xbox One is mandatory.

Sounds like a WHOLE lot of Orwellian Doublespeak there.

"No, it doesn't always have to be connected. Only when you USE it."

 

[Hawks64]

From Joystiq:

Xbox One, Microsoft's next-gen console, does not require users to be constantly connected to the internet, but it does require an internet connection, a Q&A post on Xbox Wire said. The post itself has since been removed.

The answer said the Xbox One "does not have to be always connected, but Xbox One does require a connection to the Internet."

Developers are able to use Microsoft's Azure cloud computing service with Xbox One – this could potentially shift certain computations to the cloud and require players to be online, even for single-player runs, Wired reports.

For pre-owned games, the Xbox One is designed "to enable customers to trade in and resell games," Microsoft said in the same Q&A post, promising more details later.

Xbox One allows disc games to be installed on its 500GB hard drive, removing the need for a disc entirely after the initial load-up, Microsoft tells Wired. If a second account wants to play that game the player will be asked to pay a fee and install the game on his own console. It's unclear if installing every game on Xbox One is mandatory.

Sounds like a WHOLE lot of Orwellian Doublespeak there.

"No, it doesn't always have to be connected. Only when you USE it"

Specifically the whole install game thing is going to be tough to install on a 500GB HD unless you uninstall frequently. I would assume that most games would be ~20GB, that would be at max 25 games.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm sure they'll happily sell you a proprietary 3TB HD for a mere $249.99.

 

[SlaX]

SlaX, on 21 May 2013 - 14:31, said:

SlaX, on 21 May 2013 - 14:29, said:

FreeBaGeL, on 21 May 2013 - 14:26, said:

SlaX, on 21 May 2013 - 14:18, said:

Worm, on 21 May 2013 - 14:17, said:

SlaX, on 21 May 2013 - 14:16, said:

Usual21, on 21 May 2013 - 14:14, said:

Thoughts on price? I say it's going to be no lower than $399. If they come in any lower, Sony is SCREWED.

Rumor is $300 with a two year XBox Live contract (which will now be around $20 a month) and $500 up front. But this was the rumor that was "leaked" a couple of weeks ago.

$20 a month? That seems unlikely.

That was what many thought when they upped the price before, but the sheep paid it anyway. I did read that some sources speculated $15/month. But a huge price hike is expected.

The higher price is for those that buy the subsidized console and sign up for the contract at the monthly fee. It wouldn't affect the people that buy the annual pass (which is probably everyone here).XBL actually costs $15/month already if you pay by the month. It's just that an annual membership costs $60 (and most people usually pay around $40 for it).

This is not the case according to the news that went out several weeks ago. I'm sure we'll likely hear more about price points during E3. So it's all speculation at this point.

Here is a Forbes article about this from earlier this month. I gotta run. I'll catch up with the thread later.http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2013/05/06/why-microsofts-next-xbox-will-likely-come-with-a-monthly-subscription/

Yeah, I think you're reading that article wrong. That refers to you paying $15/month (IE the full montly price) if you choose the subsidized version. If you buy the normal full priced version you can buy XBL the same way you do now, with the discounted yearly membership.

Regarding the cost of the XBox One console and XBox Live service, Major Nelson said that he had no comment at this time. I won't go into further speculation. Every other news outlet is already doing it for me.

 

[SlaX]

I'm sure they'll happily sell you a proprietary 3TB HD for a mere $249.99.

Better be a SSD.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

From Joystiq:

Xbox One, Microsoft's next-gen console, does not require users to be constantly connected to the internet, but it does require an internet connection, a Q&A post on Xbox Wire said. The post itself has since been removed.

The answer said the Xbox One "does not have to be always connected, but Xbox One does require a connection to the Internet."

Developers are able to use Microsoft's Azure cloud computing service with Xbox One – this could potentially shift certain computations to the cloud and require players to be online, even for single-player runs, Wired reports.

For pre-owned games, the Xbox One is designed "to enable customers to trade in and resell games," Microsoft said in the same Q&A post, promising more details later.

Xbox One allows disc games to be installed on its 500GB hard drive, removing the need for a disc entirely after the initial load-up, Microsoft tells Wired. If a second account wants to play that game the player will be asked to pay a fee and install the game on his own console. It's unclear if installing every game on Xbox One is mandatory.

Sounds like a WHOLE lot of Orwellian Doublespeak there.

"No, it doesn't always have to be connected. Only when you USE it"

Specifically the whole install game thing is going to be tough to install on a 500GB HD unless you uninstall frequently. I would assume that most games would be ~20GB, that would be at max 25 games.

Given that you can play the game as it installs, all this means is that you'll have to dig out the disc every once in a while instead of every time you play, as is the case now.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Kind of interesting, if you browse the #xboxreveal hashtag, it seems mostly negative. Not sure if these are just PS4 fanboys or what. Maybe just the younger audience?

As a dad who has my current 360 as a part of my main entertainment/TV/movie/gaming room, the reveal was awesome. I'm not concerned about the games/gameplay, we'll get more on that later.

I think it's largely because most of the people who will watch the release of a new game system are pretty hard core gamers, and this introduction wasn't focused on games. Yeah, there was some really cool home entertainment features in there, but some crappy EA demo, a quick demo for a game no one is sure about, and then a COD trailer.

I didn't see it, but from what I heard the PS4 intro was games, games, games, and more games. So I think the people watching wanted to see a lot of that, and i'm also getting that feeling from the IGN commentary. They are games people, and most of what they got was wait for E3 it will be great. But you can watch TV!!!

This is basically right. I watched the Sony reveal, and it was basically 30 minutes of specs followed by 90 minutes of games, including qutie a bit of live gameplay. There was quite a bit of stuff mixed in there about social media tie-ins, but I tuned most of that stuff out because it doesn't interest me.

I missed the Xbox event, but what I'm reading is that it was mostly about the media-hub and "general entertainment" angle.

I mentioned this in the video game thread, but it's as if Microsoft and Sony completely traded places over the past two or three years. It used to be that Microsoft dominated on games whereas Sony relied on the blu-ray and media hum thing to justify its console. Now Microsoft is all about fantasy football and video streaming and Sony just keeps dropping games. Weird turnaround.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

6 months ago in Redmond, WA...

"Hey guys, I've got an idea. Let's dust of this old concept."

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Here is a Forbes article about this from earlier this month. I gotta run. I'll catch up with the thread later.http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2013/05/06/why-microsofts-next-xbox-will-likely-come-with-a-monthly-subscription/

Yeah, I think you're reading that article wrong. That refers to you paying $15/month (IE the full montly price) if you choose the subsidized version. If you buy the normal full priced version you can buy XBL the same way you do now, with the discounted yearly membership.

Regarding the cost of the XBox One console and XBox Live service, Major Nelson said that he had no comment at this time. I won't go into further speculation. Every other news outlet is already doing it for me.

Not sure what you're not getting here. The article clearly states that you will have an option to buy a discounted (subsidized) version.

FWIW, that same article says that Sony will likely be doing the same thing.

It's nothing more than conjecture about an additional option (which already exists on the 360, btw) in addition to the normal full priced console.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

This is basically right. I watched the Sony reveal, and it was basically 30 minutes of specs followed by 90 minutes of games, including qutie a bit of live gameplay. There was quite a bit of stuff mixed in there about social media tie-ins, but I tuned most of that stuff out because it doesn't interest me.

I missed the Xbox event, but what I'm reading is that it was mostly about the media-hub and "general entertainment" angle.

I mentioned this in the video game thread, but it's as if Microsoft and Sony completely traded places over the past two or three years. It used to be that Microsoft dominated on games whereas Sony relied on the blu-ray and media hum thing to justify its console. Now Microsoft is all about fantasy football and video streaming and Sony just keeps dropping games. Weird turnaround.

Hard to draw any such conclusions based on this conference, given that it was already revealed/predicted that this conference would focus on the console/interface and the games would come during E3 ahead of time.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

This is basically right. I watched the Sony reveal, and it was basically 30 minutes of specs followed by 90 minutes of games, including qutie a bit of live gameplay. There was quite a bit of stuff mixed in there about social media tie-ins, but I tuned most of that stuff out because it doesn't interest me.

I missed the Xbox event, but what I'm reading is that it was mostly about the media-hub and "general entertainment" angle.

I mentioned this in the video game thread, but it's as if Microsoft and Sony completely traded places over the past two or three years. It used to be that Microsoft dominated on games whereas Sony relied on the blu-ray and media hum thing to justify its console. Now Microsoft is all about fantasy football and video streaming and Sony just keeps dropping games. Weird turnaround.

Hard to draw any such conclusions based on this conference, given that it was already revealed/predicted that this conference would focus on the console/interface and the games would come during E3 ahead of time.

I don't mean just this one event. The Xbox has had few exclusives relative to the PS3 for the past several years (not counting Kinect games, of course). This particular event is just part of a trend, but a really visible, high-profile part.

 

[Worm]

This is basically right. I watched the Sony reveal, and it was basically 30 minutes of specs followed by 90 minutes of games, including qutie a bit of live gameplay. There was quite a bit of stuff mixed in there about social media tie-ins, but I tuned most of that stuff out because it doesn't interest me.

I missed the Xbox event, but what I'm reading is that it was mostly about the media-hub and "general entertainment" angle.

I mentioned this in the video game thread, but it's as if Microsoft and Sony completely traded places over the past two or three years. It used to be that Microsoft dominated on games whereas Sony relied on the blu-ray and media hum thing to justify its console. Now Microsoft is all about fantasy football and video streaming and Sony just keeps dropping games. Weird turnaround.

Hard to draw any such conclusions based on this conference, given that it was already revealed/predicted that this conference would focus on the console/interface and the games would come during E3 ahead of time.

I don't mean just this one event. The Xbox has had few exclusives relative to the PS3 for the past several years (not counting Kinect games, of course). This particular event is just part of a trend, but a really visible, high-profile part.

Well, they announced a pretty significant number of exclusives, half of them being new IP. They just didn't show them yet.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Kind of interesting, if you browse the #xboxreveal hashtag, it seems mostly negative. Not sure if these are just PS4 fanboys or what. Maybe just the younger audience?

As a dad who has my current 360 as a part of my main entertainment/TV/movie/gaming room, the reveal was awesome. I'm not concerned about the games/gameplay, we'll get more on that later.

Says the truly hardcore video game player...

 

[Worm]

Kind of interesting, if you browse the #xboxreveal hashtag, it seems mostly negative. Not sure if these are just PS4 fanboys or what. Maybe just the younger audience?

As a dad who has my current 360 as a part of my main entertainment/TV/movie/gaming room, the reveal was awesome. I'm not concerned about the games/gameplay, we'll get more on that later.

Says the truly hardcore video game player...

I really am, compared to a lot of people.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Just to correct one thing, the One will not operate as a set top box. You still will need a cable/satellite receiver. The One is still just a media hub that you'll have to connect to your set top box via HDMI and probably an IR blaster.

As for the used games, I don't think the question was whether or not used games would be possible, just how it would work and how much it will affect the pricing of new games. My guess is that the way it will be implemented, used games sellers will have their profits significantly cut into. I'm also betting that the rental market will be eliminated along with the ability to let friends borrow games.

At this point, it seems like the PS4 will be the better overall gaming device while the One will be targeting the more average consumer interested in a total media center.

And if the unsubsidized One is $500, that will give Sony a pricing advantage IMO. At $60 a year (and possibly more with a rumored price hike), the XBL service is a pretty large additional cost that is built into the PS4.

 

[B-Deep]

Just to correct one thing, the One will not operate as a set top box. You still will need a cable/satellite receiver. The One is still just a media hub that you'll have to connect to your set top box via HDMI and probably an IR blaster.

As for the used games, I don't think the question was whether or not used games would be possible, just how it would work and how much it will affect the pricing of new games. My guess is that the way it will be implemented, used games sellers will have their profits significantly cut into. I'm also betting that the rental market will be eliminated along with the ability to let friends borrow games.

At this point, it seems like the PS4 will be the better overall gaming device while the One will be targeting the more average consumer interested in a total media center.

And if the unsubsidized One is $500, that will give Sony a pricing advantage IMO. At $60 a year (and possibly more with a rumored price hike), the XBL service is a pretty large additional cost that is built into the PS4.

it seems early to me to decide which one will be the best gaming device, what with us knowing barely anything

 

[GroveDiesel]

Just to correct one thing, the One will not operate as a set top box. You still will need a cable/satellite receiver. The One is still just a media hub that you'll have to connect to your set top box via HDMI and probably an IR blaster.

As for the used games, I don't think the question was whether or not used games would be possible, just how it would work and how much it will affect the pricing of new games. My guess is that the way it will be implemented, used games sellers will have their profits significantly cut into. I'm also betting that the rental market will be eliminated along with the ability to let friends borrow games.

At this point, it seems like the PS4 will be the better overall gaming device while the One will be targeting the more average consumer interested in a total media center.

And if the unsubsidized One is $500, that will give Sony a pricing advantage IMO. At $60 a year (and possibly more with a rumored price hike), the XBL service is a pretty large additional cost that is built into the PS4.

it seems early to me to decide which one will be the best gaming device, what with us knowing barely anything

There are a lot of factors that go into gaming of course. But the hardware specs on the PS4 blow away those of the One for gaming. And Sony seems to really be focusing on the gaming experience while Microsoft is clearly aiming for the "entertainment" experience.

 

[GroveDiesel]

And don't get me wrong on the used games thing. If consoles can move to a straight digital distribution model that mimics the PC model, that would be fantastic for gamers. A few months after major releases, games are already $20 cheaper for PC. 6 months to a year after release and they're $40 cheaper. The same games on consoles are routinely $20-40 more expensive. There is no need for me to buy a used game when I know I can get a new digital copy for the same price or cheaper than what used discs go for now.

 

[Worm]

Just to correct one thing, the One will not operate as a set top box. You still will need a cable/satellite receiver. The One is still just a media hub that you'll have to connect to your set top box via HDMI and probably an IR blaster.

As for the used games, I don't think the question was whether or not used games would be possible, just how it would work and how much it will affect the pricing of new games. My guess is that the way it will be implemented, used games sellers will have their profits significantly cut into. I'm also betting that the rental market will be eliminated along with the ability to let friends borrow games.

At this point, it seems like the PS4 will be the better overall gaming device while the One will be targeting the more average consumer interested in a total media center.

And if the unsubsidized One is $500, that will give Sony a pricing advantage IMO. At $60 a year (and possibly more with a rumored price hike), the XBL service is a pretty large additional cost that is built into the PS4.

it seems early to me to decide which one will be the best gaming device, what with us knowing barely anything

There are a lot of factors that go into gaming of course. But the hardware specs on the PS4 blow away those of the One for gaming. And Sony seems to really be focusing on the gaming experience while Microsoft is clearly aiming for the "entertainment" experience.

And we're off!

 

[IvanKaramazov]

And don't get me wrong on the used games thing. If consoles can move to a straight digital distribution model that mimics the PC model, that would be fantastic for gamers. A few months after major releases, games are already $20 cheaper for PC. 6 months to a year after release and they're $40 cheaper. The same games on consoles are routinely $20-40 more expensive. There is no need for me to buy a used game when I know I can get a new digital copy for the same price or cheaper than what used discs go for now.

Also, we don't know that Sony isn't going to implement something similar to what Xbox One is doing. I know Sony confrimed way back when that you would still be able to play used games, but I don't recall reading anything at all about this one particular fee mechanism. I've been operating under the assumption that whatever one company did in this regard, the other would do the same. Guess we'll see.

 

[B-Deep]

here's the first 3 pages i got when i googled to compare hardware, none seem to think at this point PS4 blow away the One specs

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/156273-xbox-720-vs-ps4-vs-pc-how-the-hardware-specs-compare

Ultimately, with both the Xbox 720 and PS4 having such similar hardware, real-world performance differences will probably come down to how well the consoles make use of those eight CPU cores and GPU offloading. It’s also important to bear in mind that a huge speed-up is available when developing games for a fixed platform, with known performance/latency characteristics. Realistically, we wouldn’t be surprised if games on the Xbox 720 and PS4, just like the current generation, look very similar. Likewise, games will probably look better on consoles for a few years, and then PCs will probably pull back ahead.

http://www.gameranx.com/features/id/14815/article/xbox-one-vs-ps4-specs-and-hardware-compared/

Today at Microsoft's event in Redmond, Washington, officially announcing the Xbox One, among the details unveiled were specifications about the hardware that the next-generation console is packing, as detailed by Microsoft's Marc Whitten.

The Xbox One sports a reasonable set of specifications. It's nothing groundbreaking, but it's several times better, faster, and more efficient than the Xbox 360.

That said, it's difficult to tell how well it compares to the PLayStation 4 as Microsoft has been slightly reticent with its actual specifications. Aside from the new Kinect that the Xbox One offers and the software built into the system, the specs look similar to its counterpart at Sony.

http://www.newgamernation.com/xbox-one-and-ps4-specs-compared527-9885/

While both machines are very comparable, there are some key differences. The Xbox One is using a custom architecture while the PS4 is using an AMD architecture. Both machines use 8 GB of RAM but the PS4 is using GDDR5 RAM while the One is using DDR3. GDDR5 is faster at 5x the data rate whereas DDR3 is only 3x. This marks a significant difference in RAM performance. It is safe to assume the PS4 hard drive will be at least 500 GB to 1 TB so there should be no difference there. Both machines look quite powerful, but let us know what you think about the comparison

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Kind of interesting, if you browse the #xboxreveal hashtag, it seems mostly negative. Not sure if these are just PS4 fanboys or what. Maybe just the younger audience?

As a dad who has my current 360 as a part of my main entertainment/TV/movie/gaming room, the reveal was awesome. I'm not concerned about the games/gameplay, we'll get more on that later.

Exactly. I do not stream movies, TV etc, on my computer ever. Having everything at your fingertips (or voice in this case) in the main living room is going to be great. I really hope the fantasy football updates etc get some more love. Who wouldn't want to know if your are winning/losing in real time while watching Sunday football.

On the flipside, I may turn into a fat ###.

meh, for anyone who owns a laptop, real-time fantasy football updates are a non-issue.