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[larry_boy_44]

Spark does look really cool.

It looks cool, but I feel like it's something that you try once and then never play again.

Project Spark will be released as a free-to-play title with various paid DLC for Windows 8 and Xbox One.

I have to say Spark is one of the coolest things I saw at E3... I just worry it'll end up being like RPG Maker where you basically have to know how to actually code things to do anything actually cool with it, which means anyone who can do anything worthwhile with it is better off just making an actual game themselves...

 

[jwb]

so, how does everybody feel about Xbox One now that the initial "she's a witch" hysteria has died down, and it looks like their sharing games thing might actually be decent (even if they haven't been 100% clear).

I know I'm in. I probably won't buy a launch console, simply because I want to see the initial reviews as to how it all works (and there aren't any launch titles that are driving me to take that leap), but I love my 360, and have faith that MS will deliver a solid gaming experience.

 

[Jobber]

so, how does everybody feel about Xbox One now that the initial "she's a witch" hysteria has died down, and it looks like their sharing games thing might actually be decent (even if they haven't been 100% clear).

I know I'm in. I probably won't buy a launch console, simply because I want to see the initial reviews as to how it all works (and there aren't any launch titles that are driving me to take that leap), but I love my 360, and have faith that MS will deliver a solid gaming experience.

I preordered one. I'm a big console fan, and have owned all of them since the PS1. In all likelihood I'll also end up with a PS4 at some point, but will jump in on the Xbox first. One reason is my PS3 collects dust except for use as a Blu Ray player and the occasional Skyrim replay. The second reason for me is I really enjoy multiplayer aspects of games and the 360 has more to offer on that front. I am assuming the same will carry over into the next gens.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

That's at the very most one funny, but it's more like a half funny.

I'd say it's less funny and more just true. For example, a used copy Super Smash Bros. Melee for gamecube still sells for a lot even though the game was released several years ago because there's barely any used copies being sold.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

That's at the very most one funny, but it's more like a half funny.

I'd say it's less funny and more just true. For example, a used copy Super Smash Bros. Melee for gamecube still sells for a lot even though the game was released several years ago because there's barely any used copies being sold.

Well that's true. Maybe Larry does have a point there.

 

[Insein]

so, how does everybody feel about Xbox One now that the initial "she's a witch" hysteria has died down, and it looks like their sharing games thing might actually be decent (even if they haven't been 100% clear).

I know I'm in. I probably won't buy a launch console, simply because I want to see the initial reviews as to how it all works (and there aren't any launch titles that are driving me to take that leap), but I love my 360, and have faith that MS will deliver a solid gaming experience.

Still not buying the whole 10 people thing. Feels tacked on at the end and sounds like they have no idea how to implement it. Which leads me to believe its an empty promise or it will not work the way we think it will.

I'm holding off on both of them till the dust clears. Doesn't make sense to jump in right away.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

so, how does everybody feel about Xbox One now that the initial "she's a witch" hysteria has died down, and it looks like their sharing games thing might actually be decent (even if they haven't been 100% clear).

I know I'm in. I probably won't buy a launch console, simply because I want to see the initial reviews as to how it all works (and there aren't any launch titles that are driving me to take that leap), but I love my 360, and have faith that MS will deliver a solid gaming experience.

I understand that it's a poor fit for a lot of gamer's tastes, but it is right up my alley (as are both new consoles, really).

I play predominately multiplayer now. And my typical night is booting up the system, starting up or joining a party, shooting the #### while we wait for it to fill up, and then picking a game to play. Bigger parties and the ability to do other stuff while matchmaking are big timesavers, as is the general multitasking/snappiness of the system. One of the most fun things of this past generation has been playing MP games in a party. Being in a party with people on the other team in games like Gears, L4D, and NHL just brings insane amounts of hilarity. It was always kind of a bummer when we got up to 10 people and had to drop the party.

We do a lot of leagues/tournaments as well, usually involving a large group of us late at night and copious amounts of alchohol. Being able to stream the finals is going to go over huge. We've also had some people do some cool stuff with footage from the events like trailers or recaps/highlights, so I'm looking forward to see what people will come up with now that everyone will have footage.

Mostly though, I'm looking forward to the push to digital.

The negatives don't really bother me for the way I use my consoles. Didn't play a single game while not connected to the internet all of last gen, and while I'll lose some cash on used games I play mostly MP games so I tend to have fewer games for longer. The convenience of being able to easily play my games on any console around the house (or any console anywhere) is worth that to me. Same with Kinect. I don't wear a tinfoil hat and I really don't think Microsoft is going to watch me order a pizza, and I'll enjoy the convenience of being able to turn on the box via voice.

 

[Worm]

so, how does everybody feel about Xbox One now that the initial "she's a witch" hysteria has died down, and it looks like their sharing games thing might actually be decent (even if they haven't been 100% clear).

I know I'm in. I probably won't buy a launch console, simply because I want to see the initial reviews as to how it all works (and there aren't any launch titles that are driving me to take that leap), but I love my 360, and have faith that MS will deliver a solid gaming experience.

I understand that it's a poor fit for a lot of gamer's tastes, but it is right up my alley (as are both new consoles, really).

I play predominately multiplayer now. And my typical night is booting up the system, starting up or joining a party, shooting the #### while we wait for it to fill up, and then picking a game to play. Bigger parties and the ability to do other stuff while matchmaking are big timesavers, as is the general multitasking/snappiness of the system. One of the most fun things of this past generation has been playing MP games in a party. Being in a party with people on the other team in games like Gears, L4D, and NHL just brings insane amounts of hilarity. It was always kind of a bummer when we got up to 10 people and had to drop the party.

We do a lot of leagues/tournaments as well, usually involving a large group of us late at night and copious amounts of alchohol. Being able to stream the finals is going to go over huge. We've also had some people do some cool stuff with footage from the events like trailers or recaps/highlights, so I'm looking forward to see what people will come up with now that everyone will have footage.

Mostly though, I'm looking forward to the push to digital.

The negatives don't really bother me for the way I use my consoles. Didn't play a single game while not connected to the internet all of last gen, and while I'll lose some cash on used games I play mostly MP games so I tend to have fewer games for longer. The convenience of being able to easily play my games on any console around the house (or any console anywhere) is worth that to me. Same with Kinect. I don't wear a tinfoil hat and I really don't think Microsoft is going to watch me order a pizza, and I'll enjoy the convenience of being able to turn on the box via voice.

FWIW I read somewhere that they upped the party capabilities from 8 people to 30.

 

[zDragon]

Speaking of twitter....

http://i.imgur.com/fWpJY1n.png

That pretty much seals if for me.

Sounds like a good feature. They only ban you for cheating which takes away from the games anyway.

They ban people for much more than cheating. They ban people for literally everything on the TOS as well as things not on the TOS - such as playing a game before official release, despite having paid for the game at a retailer.

And most of their TOS is already a grey area with the interpreter being them.

Still have no issue with it. I have had a xbox since original release and never been banned. I have no fear of being banned in the future for anything including buying games on release day.

If you have the game earlier than release date that tells MS someone broke a contract with them and should tell you your dealing with a shady salesman. I have no problem with them banning people for playing games early since it points to the game being pirated/stolen/copied.

 

[zDragon]

That's at the very most one funny, but it's more like a half funny.

I'd say it's less funny and more just true. For example, a used copy Super Smash Bros. Melee for gamecube still sells for a lot even though the game was released several years ago because there's barely any used copies being sold.

Can you define a lot? I think new games at $60 is a lot. A game for $20 bucks or so would be a good price. So not sure where your putting the value at for "a lot".

Our Wii gets used 2 to 3 times more than the PS3 because of the party type games and we tend to hold on to them. PS3 is only used for exclusives that we ditch when we are done. The only games we have for the PS3 in our library are Madden and Little Big Planet.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I stopped by Gamestop over lunch and saw that Mario Galaxy 2 was selling for $40 used.

I concede that Larry was right.

 

[NCCommish]

I stopped by Gamestop over lunch and saw that Mario Galaxy 2 was selling for $40 used.

I concede that Larry was right.

You are a scholar and a gentleman.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I stopped by Gamestop over lunch and saw that Mario Galaxy 2 was selling for $40 used.

I concede that Larry was right.

You are a scholar and a gentleman.

I try to be fair. Doesn't always work.

 

[larry_boy_44]

bump

 

[NCCommish]

I stopped by Gamestop over lunch and saw that Mario Galaxy 2 was selling for $40 used.

I concede that Larry was right.

You are a scholar and a gentleman.

I try to be fair. Doesn't always work.

True

 

[SlaX]

Speaking of twitter....

http://i.imgur.com/fWpJY1n.png

That pretty much seals if for me.

Sounds like a good feature. They only ban you for cheating which takes away from the games anyway.

They ban people for much more than cheating. They ban people for literally everything on the TOS as well as things not on the TOS - such as playing a game before official release, despite having paid for the game at a retailer.

And most of their TOS is already a grey area with the interpreter being them.

Still have no issue with it. I have had a xbox since original release and never been banned. I have no fear of being banned in the future for anything including buying games on release day.

If you have the game earlier than release date that tells MS someone broke a contract with them and should tell you your dealing with a shady salesman. I have no problem with them banning people for playing games early since it points to the game being pirated/stolen/copied.

Sometimes, even a major retailer will break release. It's usually an accident by one of the employees. However, I used to frequent a Wal-Mart who would often break release date by several days. As soon as the shipment was in, they would stock it to the floor. But that was during the N64 days and we didn't have to worry about a DRM or Nintendo banning your console over something like that.

 

[Jobber]

This is HUGE news if true:

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/06/19/report-microsoft-to-drop-used-game-restrictions-online-requirements.aspx

In what might be the most dramatic reversal in the gaming industry, Microsoft is reportedly changing course on many of the concerns related to the Xbox One. These include a 180 degree shift on used games and online requirements.

According to a report published on Giant Bomb, Microsoft will be dropping the 24-hour license renewal "check ins" we were told the system requires. Additionally, retail discs will be handled identically to what we experience now on the Xbox 360. This includes trading in and loaning to friends. An internet connection will only be required when setting up the console, and region locks will be disabled.

This news follows our interview with Microsoft Studios corporate vice president Phil Spencer, who assured us that Microsoft is listening to community feedback. We've reached out to the company for comment.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Sometimes trial balloons do this.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Looks like MS is caving: http://www.gamesta.com/ms-to-flip-flop-and-remove-drminternet-requirements/

It seems as if the rumors that Sony surprised MS with their DRM free announcements at E3 may have been true, and it looks like Microsoft is ready to cave to consumer feedback.

Fresh off the press, here are Microsoft’s policy changes after the last month of PR drubbing that they’ve taken:

• Xbox One does NOT need to always be online
• Xbox One does NOT need to check-in online every 24 hours
• Digitally downloaded games can be played online or offline
• Disc based games work as normal, same as on the Xbox 360
• No restrictions on used game sales/purchases. They will work the same as the 360
• Xbox One is now region free

It appears that the Xbox One, as Microsoft envisioned it, was at least one generation ahead of its time. They probably would have been able to pull it off if Sony had jumped onboard, since most gamers don’t see the Wii U as a viable alternative. However, with Sony using the high road to try and win over customers Microsoft’s hand was forced. No word yet on how this will affect the other features of the XB1 (game sharing, etc).

It appears that really loud people on the internet can make a difference.

 

[SlaX]

Game on!

 

[Worm]

Awesome.

 

[NCCommish]

Competition is good.

 

[Jobber]

Game on!

Yep.

I'm glad Microsoft saw the light here. I was getting one anyway, but if the used game/DRM thing turns a lot of people off, it's good they addressed it.

My take, and a complete shot in the dark: The developers kept silent on DRM and the used market and allowed Microsoft to take a beating, with no dev support on the issue. So Microsoft finally said "screw you guys" and made these changes.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

We're sorry. Please buy our stuff.

 

[Slapdash]

LOL

 

[SlaX]

Game on!

Yep.

I'm glad Microsoft saw the light here. I was getting one anyway, but if the used game/DRM thing turns a lot of people off, it's good they addressed it.

My take, and a complete shot in the dark: The developers kept silent on DRM and the used market and allowed Microsoft to take a beating, with no dev support on the issue. So Microsoft finally said "screw you guys" and made these changes.

Now I'm a little sad that we'll likely never see what the "Family Plan" was all about. Perhaps they knew they couldn't meet the expectations there either.

 

[Jobber]

Game on!

Yep.

I'm glad Microsoft saw the light here. I was getting one anyway, but if the used game/DRM thing turns a lot of people off, it's good they addressed it.

My take, and a complete shot in the dark: The developers kept silent on DRM and the used market and allowed Microsoft to take a beating, with no dev support on the issue. So Microsoft finally said "screw you guys" and made these changes.

Now I'm a little sad that we'll likely never see what the "Family Plan" was all about. Perhaps they knew they couldn't meet the expectations there either.

Really, if MS and Sony want DRM, the best way to do it is to go full digital download. They can probably ease into it in this next generation. And before you know it, games drop digitally instead of at B&Ms.

 

[Worm]

Pre-ordered imo.

 

[Statcruncher]

An internet connection will only be required when setting up the console

So you still have to connect to the internet before you can use the system or not? And it's cool that they are doing a 180 on these issues, but I'm still going PS4 when I get a next gen console. Screw them, coming from a happy 360 guy.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Competition is good.

 

[Worm]

The internet is awesome.

From online comments:

"This DRM sucks! Microsoft sucks! Microsoft needs to remove this ####!"

Microsoft removes DRM.

"Microsoft sucks! This just shows how they will change #### on you in a second!"

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

An internet connection will only be required when setting up the console

So you still have to connect to the internet before you can use the system or not? And it's cool that they are doing a 180 on these issues, but I'm still going PS4 when I get a next gen console. Screw them, coming from a happy 360 guy.

Same here. They have to get rid of the kinect being such a dominate part of it for me to even consider the X1 at this point.

 

[NCCommish]

An internet connection will only be required when setting up the console

So you still have to connect to the internet before you can use the system or not? And it's cool that they are doing a 180 on these issues, but I'm still going PS4 when I get a next gen console. Screw them, coming from a happy 360 guy.

Same here. They have to get rid of the kinect being such a dominate part of it for me to even consider the X1 at this point.

That isn't happening. Developers won't develop for something that isn't part of every system.

 

[Slapdash]

An internet connection will only be required when setting up the console

So you still have to connect to the internet before you can use the system or not? And it's cool that they are doing a 180 on these issues, but I'm still going PS4 when I get a next gen console. Screw them, coming from a happy 360 guy.

Same here. They have to get rid of the kinect being such a dominate part of it for me to even consider the X1 at this point.

Yep.

 

[Statcruncher]

The internet is awesome.

From online comments:

"This DRM sucks! Microsoft sucks! Microsoft needs to remove this ####!"

Microsoft removes DRM.

"Microsoft sucks! This just shows how they will change #### on you in a second!"

The kid who took your lunch money is still a jerk even if he's guilted into giving it back.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Wise decision by Microsoft. This launch has been a complete trainwreck, but at least they backed off on DRM.

Now all they need to do is ditch Kinect, bring the price point down $100, and quit relying so heavily on timed exclusives *cough*Titanfall*cough*

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Game on!

Yep.

I'm glad Microsoft saw the light here. I was getting one anyway, but if the used game/DRM thing turns a lot of people off, it's good they addressed it.

My take, and a complete shot in the dark: The developers kept silent on DRM and the used market and allowed Microsoft to take a beating, with no dev support on the issue. So Microsoft finally said "screw you guys" and made these changes.

Now I'm a little sad that we'll likely never see what the "Family Plan" was all about. Perhaps they knew they couldn't meet the expectations there either.

Really, if MS and Sony want DRM, the best way to do it is to go full digital download. They can probably ease into it in this next generation. And before you know it, games drop digitally instead of at B&Ms.

Why do you say that?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

An internet connection will only be required when setting up the console

So you still have to connect to the internet before you can use the system or not? And it's cool that they are doing a 180 on these issues, but I'm still going PS4 when I get a next gen console. Screw them, coming from a happy 360 guy.

Same here. They have to get rid of the kinect being such a dominate part of it for me to even consider the X1 at this point.

That isn't happening. Developers won't develop for something that isn't part of every system.

The developers know the kinect is a waste. There is a reason Ryse went from being a kinect game to controller based. NOBODY wants that damn thing so quit shoving it in our face.

 

[Worm]

So, no digital game sharing, and you have to have the game in the tray. Pretty much the same as last gen.

 

[larry_boy_44]

An internet connection will only be required when setting up the console

So you still have to connect to the internet before you can use the system or not? And it's cool that they are doing a 180 on these issues, but I'm still going PS4 when I get a next gen console. Screw them, coming from a happy 360 guy.

Same here. They have to get rid of the kinect being such a dominate part of it for me to even consider the X1 at this point.

That isn't happening. Developers won't develop for something that isn't part of every system.

The developers know the kinect is a waste. There is a reason Ryse went from being a kinect game to controller based. NOBODY wants that damn thing so quit shoving it in our face.

looking at sales (and, you know, money is more important to Microsoft than cool points), you are wrong. Kinect makes them money, your stuck with it.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

looking at sales (and, you know, money is more important to Microsoft than cool points), you are wrong. Kinect makes them money, your stuck with it.

Is this known to be the case? The 360 was selling pretty well without Kinect.

And last gen was last gen. There's no special reason to believe that Kinect will be a profitable selling point for the XB1 if it comes with a higher price point and fewer/weaker "regular" games.

 

[Donsmith753]

I was getting one anyway but this is great.

 

[cstu]

Looks like MS is caving: http://www.gamesta.com/ms-to-flip-flop-and-remove-drminternet-requirements/

It seems as if the rumors that Sony surprised MS with their DRM free announcements at E3 may have been true, and it looks like Microsoft is ready to cave to consumer feedback.

Fresh off the press, here are Microsoft’s policy changes after the last month of PR drubbing that they’ve taken:

• Xbox One does NOT need to always be online
• Xbox One does NOT need to check-in online every 24 hours
• Digitally downloaded games can be played online or offline
• Disc based games work as normal, same as on the Xbox 360
• No restrictions on used game sales/purchases. They will work the same as the 360
• Xbox One is now region free

It appears that the Xbox One, as Microsoft envisioned it, was at least one generation ahead of its time. They probably would have been able to pull it off if Sony had jumped onboard, since most gamers don’t see the Wii U as a viable alternative. However, with Sony using the high road to try and win over customers Microsoft’s hand was forced. No word yet on how this will affect the other features of the XB1 (game sharing, etc).

It appears that really loud people on the internet can make a difference.

Thank you, Sony, I'll now be pre-ordering the One.

 

[Statcruncher]

About the only instance that I can ever see myself wanting a Kinect/Eye type device is if they create a golf simulator. Not a hokie one where you swing a plastic club or a handle, a real simulator that allows me to program in my club's mass, shaft flex/kickpoint and then marries that to the clubface's orientation and speed at the moment of impact. It would then display the ball flight, hook/slice, distance travelled, and backspin/overspin applied. If they could create a game that basically turns your living room into a driving range/golf course where you can tweak your actual swing I would preorder it the day it was announced. Imagine all the actual golf course expansions/downloads they could sell along with it, Augusta, Pebble Beach, St. Andrews, etc. It would set the record for the most expansions ever.

 

[SlaX]

An internet connection will only be required when setting up the console

So you still have to connect to the internet before you can use the system or not? And it's cool that they are doing a 180 on these issues, but I'm still going PS4 when I get a next gen console. Screw them, coming from a happy 360 guy.

Same here. They have to get rid of the kinect being such a dominate part of it for me to even consider the X1 at this point.

That isn't happening. Developers won't develop for something that isn't part of every system.

The developers know the kinect is a waste. There is a reason Ryse went from being a kinect game to controller based. NOBODY wants that damn thing so quit shoving it in our face.

As someone that hates the Kinect, I can still see why Microsoft wants it packaged with the Xbox One80. You see, nearly every Kinect game that was produced for the 360 was ####. We can all agree on that. But you still had a very small percentage of publishers that even wanted to take on a Kinect project. The reason why is because there was only a small percentage of 360 owners that even owned a Kinect. By packaging Kinect in box with the new Xbox, you get Kinect in the hands of every Xbox One owner, thus giving more incentive to create better Kinect games. Kinect actually does have some really great potential, but no one has come close yet.

 

[Worm]

About the only instance that I can ever see myself wanting a Kinect/Eye type device is if they create a golf simulator. Not a hokie one where you swing a plastic club or a handle, a real simulator that allows me to program in my club's mass, shaft flex/kickpoint and then marries that to the clubface's orientation and speed at the moment of impact. It would then display the ball flight, hook/slice, distance travelled, and backspin/overspin applied. Imagine all the actual golf course downloads they could sell. Augusta, Pebble Beach, etc. If they could create a game that basically turns your living room into a driving range/golf course where you can tweak your actual swing I would preorder it the day it was announced.

It will happen imo, just a matter of time.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

About the only instance that I can ever see myself wanting a Kinect/Eye type device is if they create a golf simulator. Not a hokie one where you swing a plastic club or a handle, a real simulator that allows me to program in my club's mass, shaft flex/kickpoint and then marries that to the clubface's orientation and speed at the moment of impact. It would then display the ball flight, hook/slice, distance travelled, and backspin/overspin applied. Imagine all the actual golf course downloads they could sell. Augusta, Pebble Beach, etc. If they could create a game that basically turns your living room into a driving range/golf course where you can tweak your actual swing I would preorder it the day it was announced.

I'm really surprised nothing like this is out yet. It would be a HUGE seller outside of their target consumer base. Hell, even if the game sold for $200 any golfer would snap that up.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

I was getting one anyway but this is great.

 

[Statcruncher]

About the only instance that I can ever see myself wanting a Kinect/Eye type device is if they create a golf simulator. Not a hokie one where you swing a plastic club or a handle, a real simulator that allows me to program in my club's mass, shaft flex/kickpoint and then marries that to the clubface's orientation and speed at the moment of impact. It would then display the ball flight, hook/slice, distance travelled, and backspin/overspin applied. If they could create a game that basically turns your living room into a driving range/golf course where you can tweak your actual swing I would preorder it the day it was announced. Imagine all the actual golf course expansions/downloads they could sell along with it, Augusta, Pebble Beach, St. Andrews, etc. It would set the record for the most expansions ever.

I'm really surprised nothing like this is out yet. It would be a HUGE seller outside of their target consumer base. Hell, even if the game sold for $200 any golfer would snap that up.

I'm tight/cheap when it comes to spending money, but I would shell out the $500 for the unit, $200 for the simulator (assuming it displays a generic driving range), and $50 for each course and think I was getting a steal. I'd be buying new courses like candy as well.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

About the only instance that I can ever see myself wanting a Kinect/Eye type device is if they create a golf simulator. Not a hokie one where you swing a plastic club or a handle, a real simulator that allows me to program in my club's mass, shaft flex/kickpoint and then marries that to the clubface's orientation and speed at the moment of impact. It would then display the ball flight, hook/slice, distance travelled, and backspin/overspin applied. Imagine all the actual golf course downloads they could sell. Augusta, Pebble Beach, etc. If they could create a game that basically turns your living room into a driving range/golf course where you can tweak your actual swing I would preorder it the day it was announced.

I'm really surprised nothing like this is out yet. It would be a HUGE seller outside of their target consumer base. Hell, even if the game sold for $200 any golfer would snap that up.

I'm tight/cheap when it comes to spending money, but I would shell out the $500 for the unit, $200 for the simulator (figure it displays a generic driving range), and $50 per each course and think I was getting a steal.

Absolutely. As someone who only gets a 6 month golf season, it would be a no-brainer.

Shelling out for higher ceilings in my basement could be an issue though.