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*** Official Baltimore Ravens 2011 Thread*** (1 Viewer)

Quiet in here. Definitely going to watch the earlier Texans-Ravens game on DVR tonight and then will have something to post. One interesting note about the Texans game plan vs. Cincy - they had 35 called run plays, and only 22 called pass plays. That's definitely how they want to play. Their first down playcalling was effectively surprising - in the first half, they passed 5 times and ran 7 times on first down. Once they got to the second half with the lead, though, they ran on all 12 first down plays they had.

The challenge for Baltimore will be to stop that run and force them to pass in situations when they don't want to.

 
And the Ravens have shown they can be run on at times. If Foster and Tate are able to get off, Baltimore's in serious trouble. I think the front 7 are going to have to play their best collective game of the season Sunday.

 
Still haven't had a chance to watch that earlier Texans game. One thing that has stuck with me, though, is just how much the run sets up everything for Houston. Because opponents have to focus on the run, they have been very successful in using play action and expected running downs to provide opportunities for Yates to succeed. Here are his stats on the different downs:

1st down: 35 of 56, 468 yards, 8.2 yds per attempt, 1-0 TD/Int, 94.3 QB rating

2nd: 22-37, 252 yards, 6.8 ypa, 1-0, 89.0 rating

3rd: 25-41, 237 yards, 5.8 ypa, 1-3, 54.6 rating

3rd and 6+ yards to go: 11-25, 108 yards, 4.3 ypa, 0-3, 17.2 rating

When opponents have to play run first, Yates is very good. In his first start, before Johnson was reinjured, he connected with AJ 4 times for 97 yards. Three of those catches for 91 yards came on first down. Once opponents get into their pass defense, Yates seems to be a little exposed, as is natural for a fifth-round rookie.

There's the paradox for the Ravens -- how do you shut down the run on early downs to put Yates into bad situations, while not making yourself vulnerable to the Texans' successful first down play action passing? As down as I have been on Ed Reed of late, this game could be all about him. If/when the Ravens commit an 8th man to stop the run on first down, can he be in position to shut down or even intercept play action passes to Johnson or Daniels?

 
Well, we're finally where this season has seemingly been headed all year, and we still don't really know that much about this team.

They're definitely one of the two best teams in the AFC, which they have been all year. But what does that mean -- are they the equal of the Patriots, or are they vastly inferior? I will say I'm surprised at the Pats being a 7.5-point favorite, and all the comments like "The offense will have to be much better vs. New England, or they'll have no chance." It's like, no duh. That's one thing I like about this year's team - they are total grinders, and they adapt each week to find a way to win. What's frustrating is that one week's game bears absolutely no similarity to the next, so you never know what to expect. But just because they played a grinding, defensive-minded game vs. the Texans doesn't mean that's what they'll do against the Patriots.

Including playoffs, they have now played 11 games vs. teams in the Top 10 for Points per game, going 9-2. They've played 12 games vs. Top 10 teams for yards per game, going 10-2. I still feel like this offense has plenty of potential to put it all together and throw up 30+ points vs. New England's defense. That being said, the O Line needs to show up. They had one of their worst games of the year yesterday.

And in a year when every break has magically seemed to go their way, I couldn't help noticing that the Saints and Packers - two teams that presented nightmare match-ups for the Ravens - lost this weekend. If they can get past the Pats, they have a legit chance at winning the Super Bowl, something I didn't think was true when I expected either NO or GB to win the NFC.

 
Well, we're finally where this season has seemingly been headed all year, and we still don't really know that much about this team. They're definitely one of the two best teams in the AFC, which they have been all year. But what does that mean -- are they the equal of the Patriots, or are they vastly inferior? I will say I'm surprised at the Pats being a 7.5-point favorite, and all the comments like "The offense will have to be much better vs. New England, or they'll have no chance." It's like, no duh. That's one thing I like about this year's team - they are total grinders, and they adapt each week to find a way to win. What's frustrating is that one week's game bears absolutely no similarity to the next, so you never know what to expect. But just because they played a grinding, defensive-minded game vs. the Texans doesn't mean that's what they'll do against the Patriots.Including playoffs, they have now played 11 games vs. teams in the Top 10 for Points per game, going 9-2. They've played 12 games vs. Top 10 teams for yards per game, going 10-2. I still feel like this offense has plenty of potential to put it all together and throw up 30+ points vs. New England's defense. That being said, the O Line needs to show up. They had one of their worst games of the year yesterday.And in a year when every break has magically seemed to go their way, I couldn't help noticing that the Saints and Packers - two teams that presented nightmare match-ups for the Ravens - lost this weekend. If they can get past the Pats, they have a legit chance at winning the Super Bowl, something I didn't think was true when I expected either NO or GB to win the NFC.
I've given up trying to figure the Ravens out. I honestly can't think of an outcome this Sunday that would surprise me.
 
Inconsistency has been the hallmark of this season for sure. You never know which unit is gonna show up and which isn't. Lousy pass protection yesterday, though some of those were coverage sacks, the receivers are still having trouble getting separation, and a non-existent pass rush. But the secondary stepped up its game against a QB who was a little overmatched.

Maybe this week Torrey Smith gets open for a couple of bombs and the TEs get back into the swing. Maybe Rice squirts through a pretty tough front four and into a second tier that doesn't have a lot of athleticism. Those who say these things can't happen must have forgotten the times when it actually did.

Worse case scenario: failing to stop Brady early and getting a couple of scores down. As long as they're close, they can keep running the normal offense against a suspect defense. And maybe steal it at the end. They're a flawed team to be sure but can beat anybody anytime when they're flying around and making big plays.

BTW, it's nice to actually talk a little football. The E guys and the schmucks with their whining about the officiating and the premature "Ovah" schtick have pretty much rendered the game threads unreadable.

 
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Once again just want to add that I thoroughly enjoy reading you guys that post in this thread. Now for a couple of questions. In here it has been stated that Reed being off the field would not be a bad thing. Will he be able to play this weekend, and if not, will he be missed?

I look forward to seeing the Raven's offensive game plan against the Patriots. Will they try to stay run focused so that they can keep Brady off the field or will they open up and give Flacco the keys to attack the suspect Patriot DBs with Boldin, T. Smith, and the two TEs?

Can y'all get a rush on Brady and force him to hurry and move around?

 
Once again just want to add that I thoroughly enjoy reading you guys that post in this thread. Now for a couple of questions. In here it has been stated that Reed being off the field would not be a bad thing. Will he be able to play this weekend, and if not, will he be missed?

I look forward to seeing the Raven's offensive game plan against the Patriots. Will they try to stay run focused so that they can keep Brady off the field or will they open up and give Flacco the keys to attack the suspect Patriot DBs with Boldin, T. Smith, and the two TEs?

Can y'all get a rush on Brady and force him to hurry and move around?
Our gb The_Man has been critical of Ed Reed for his propensity to gamble too much and there have obviously been cases of that. Still, I think we'd all rather see him in there than anyone else. Personally, I think he's got some serious degenerative injuries going on that are limiting his ability to do some things and will make this his last year on the field.The Ravens always want to run Ray Rice first and foremost. What's at issue is how Cam gameplans the running game and whether or not he gives up on Rice too soon in a game. But everybody knows that if he gets 150 all purpose yards Sunday, they've got their best chance of winning. I think we'll see an early dose of screens against a bunch of LBs who aren't particularly athletic and then some big shots way downfield to Torrey Smith.

The disappearance of the pass rush is worrisome indeed. If Ngata and Suggs can't lay a couple of sacks on Brady I don't know how they can win.

Glad you like our little thread.

 
Went to the game yesterday and have to say that other than making plays when the ball is in the air, Reed didn't look too good. Maybe it was due to the injury on the first almost interception, but he seemed to not be playing the run much after that (reminded me of watching Samuel not attempting to make tackles for the Eagles). Looked to me like his knowledge of the game is keeping Reed in plays now more than his physical skills. I'm not sure how much help he will be against Brady if he plays, especially if he is playing banged up.

Line play is going to be the key against the Pats. Both the O line and D line are going to have to play much better than they did against the Texans.

 
I think that Mike Preston column calling out Lewis and Reed was one of the best things that could have happened to this team. Reed played what was clearly his best game since Week 1. And as much as Ravens fans get on Ben for being a drama queen, Ed was giving him a run for his money yesterday. He was like Mr. Glass out there - every time he made a play, he writhed in agony. He got carried off the field at the end like his leg was broken, and then he was fine 10 minutes later.

That being said, I also think he was the difference in the game. When he's focused and committed to playing disciplined defense like yesterday, he's still uncanny. If he is hurt significantly, it's a huge blow to the Ravens' chances. If he's healthy, I think Brady is going to be conscious of throwing those seam routes to TEs when he knows Reed is lurking over the top.

It will be very interesting to see how the Ravens match-up with the Patiots passing game. One big advantage they have is that in the latter part of the season as rookie CB Jimmy Smith has played his way into the line-up at nickel back, is that they have put him on the outside when he's in the game and moved starting (and standout) CB Webb into the slot in those situations. I would love to see Webb lined up vs. Welker whenever Welker goes in the slot, even if Smith is not on the field. I think Webb has the game to neutralize Welker in the slot, which not many teams can do. Ochocinco vs. Cary Williams is not a match-up that scares me.

That leaves the question of Hernandez and Gronkowski. I need to look at some past games and box scores, but I know the Ravens have done well vs. opposing TEs, which is surprising considering how bad in coverage Ray and whoever is lined up next to him at ILB have been. Ellerbee replaced McLain on passing downs vs. Houston and was lost. I don't think he made a play. Additionally, Strong Safety Pollard is a big hitter and reliable tackler (usually, though he missed a big one vs. Johnson yesterday) but weak in coverage. Against SF, the Ravens went "big nickel" for much of the game, bringing in Zbikowski (a back-up Safety) and having him play a quasi-DB/LB hybrid role that helped limit Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker. I would love to see some variation of that.

The Ravens struggle vs. big, fast outside WRs - AJ Green the first time, San Diego, Kenny Britt, Andre Johnson. As great as New England's passing game is, the Patriots don't feature that kind of threat, and so I think this is a very close match-up. I'm surprised that so much of the talk today is that the Patriots are going to blow the Ravens off the field.

 
Quiet in here. The spread is down from 7.5 to 7 with a lot of sharp money coming in on the Ravens to score that extra half-point.

Anyone here heard the clip of Drew Forrester on WNST losing his mind after yet another call talking about how the Ravens need to do things differently? It's pretty funny - start listening at right around the 5:50 mark.

 
Quiet in here. The spread is down from 7.5 to 7 with a lot of sharp money coming in on the Ravens to score that extra half-point.

Anyone here heard the clip of Drew Forrester on WNST losing his mind after yet another call talking about how the Ravens need to do things differently? It's pretty funny - start listening at right around the 5:50 mark.
:lmao: Now I remember why I stopped listening to local sports talk.
:lmao: I love all the callers agitating for Tyrod Taylor to play over Flacco whenever the Ravens lost. Gotta love the blind homer mindset. Have another Natty Boh, Butchie, everythings gonna be alright.

 
Well, I'm into my second Green Flash IPA already, so my objectivity and coherence will be on a steady decline from here on out, even as my posting frequency continues to accelerate with each additional beer.

To my GBs, Roadkill and Uruk-Hai, I've really enjoyed discussing this season together. All of us seem to share a fairly rational and objective outlook on our home team, which seems to be a rare commodity around the NFL, and virtually non-existent here in Charm City. Unfortunately, I can't guarantee that today, but I'll catch up with you here tomorrow. Just hope I don't puke all over myself and/or the game thread come 6:30 tonight.

Here a few random thoughts heading into today.

1. Remember when Flacco couldn't beat the 4-3 and was exposed whenever he played a 4-3 defense? He did a nice job vs. Cincy twice this year, but still struggled big-time vs. other 4-3 defenses. The Pats flip-flip between 4-3 and 3-4. The more I thought about this game, the more I began to feel like Bellichick will come out in a 4-3, make Flacco sustain long drives and complete throws into tight windows, and not let the Ravens go over the top. In fact, I now expect the Pats on certain passing downs to sometimes rush only 3 (maybe even 2) and drop everyone into coverage. I can just see Flacco standing there all day, patting the ball, getting fidgety and then finally throwing it over someone's head on an out route to the sideline, or checking down to a double-covered Rice for no gain. I think the Pats would be crazy to give Baltimore's WRs single coverage on the outside.

2. The Ravens aren't going to come out on offense and change things up. They just aren't. While I think there would truly be a chance for them to succeed if they come out with 3 WRs, stretch the field outside with the speed of Evans and Smith, then work underneath to Boldin and the TE (not Rice, who is going to be tightly covered no matter what), it's just not going to happen. They tried that a couple times, got embarrassed, and have decided that they're going to ride their 2 WR, 2 TE attack all the way to the end, even if it brings them up short.

3. In rewatching the Houston game, Suggs had a very, very good game. For almost the entire game, he was in a two-point stance and his primary responsibility was setting the edge vs. a potential run. And he had a great game vs. the run. On the very first possession, after the long kickoff return, Houston had a third-and-one inside the Ravens 20. The Texans tried to run to their right, and Suggs completely blew the play up, knocking the RT into the backfield, forcing Foster wide where Ray slowed him down and Reed stopped him for a slight loss. That was a huge play in the game, holding Houston to a FG. He was also jamming TEs off the line and dropping into coverage, even successfully covering Andre Johnson on two plays. On the very rare occasions when he got into his four-point stance and came on an all-out pass rush, Suggs generated excellent pressure. On the pass at that the goalline that Reed knocked down but didn't pick, Suggs probably saved a TD - the TE had run down the seam then completely beaten Pollard on a post route, but Yates couldn't pull the trigger because Suggs was all over him, flushing him right where he threw up the duck that Reed almost got. There was also one great stunt I saw where Ngata crashed to his right occupying the Guard and Center, while Suggs swooped behind him into the vacated hole and came right up in Yates' face. Knowing how Brady hates heat up the center, I hope we see this again.

That being said, seeing a TE run a wide-open post vs. Pollard kind of gave me a sick feeling heading into this game about what NE's TEs could do to him. But my final thought is something I heard the defensive players say about Pagano earlier this season -- he's extremely smart and self-aware of the Ravens' own shortcomings. I think we've seen that in the adjustments he's made all season to limit opponents - Foster only had 37 second half yards last week. And they say that his knowledge of the Ravens' shortcomings sometimes allows him to set traps for opponents - if we all know how bad Ray and Pollard are in pass coverage, then of course Pagano knows it. I just can't believe he's going to sit back and let the season end as the Pats exploit the Ravens' greatest weakness. So I wonder if he's somehow going to bait Brady into thinking Ray is singled up in coverage on someone and then have Reed or someone else jump the route. Just a thought.

Anyway, enjoy the game - I think first team to 30 wins. I'll say Pats 31, Ravens 27.

 
It has indeed been excellent jawing with yinz this season. Let's hope we get another two weeks of it.

I'm so bad at predicting games that I don't even call them "predictions" any more. So my WAG (good accounting terminology there, BTW) is the Patsies in a close one. Mr. Brady is still the king and the Ratbirds have fallen on their collective faces enough offensively this year that you just can't pick them in this one.

 
well, that was a hell of a thing. I'm just bummed we don't get to have two more weeks. It's kind of like Christmas is over and now there's nothing to look forward to.

That being said, it was a great season. That's what this team is - a gritty, grinding bunch of brawlers who can drag the NFL's very best teams down into the grime with them. Flacco and Boldin were awesome today, as was all the defense. They were one of the AFC's two best teams, and that game would go another way every single time they play it.

Oh well.

 
:thumbup: Good season, Ravens. Made the AFC North proud and my condolences on a heartbreaking loss. Thought for sure they had it there, at the end.
 
Ouchie. I hope that missed kick wasn't the window closing.

I liked everyone's play pretty much today, though Yanda and Birk couldn't handle Wilfork at all. The defense did a very good job keeping Welker and the TEs in front of them and the pass rush seemed like it at least made Brady a little nervous. Two big missed opportunities, though -- Joe playing it safe to Torrey Smith early and turning a TD into just a big gainer, and then not capitalizing after Woodhead's fumble on the kickoff. That's 8 extra points on a day when obviously every one counted.

Liked Joe's game a lot, especially when he pulled it down and ran. His judgment was very good there. But it's still one of the AFC's monster QBs that takes them down every year. :cry:

 
Last two Ravens playoff losses have been so brutal. First to blow a big halftime lead to your division rival with a Super Bowl on the line and now for Lee Evans/Billy Cundiff to make incredibly unlikely poor plays that could've won/tied the game. I'd say the Steelers lost hurt more(I didn't even want to think about football for months after that game and barely paid attention to the SB that year while at a SB party, but its close. Being on the bad end of variance hurts so much. Pretty much any one score game could've had a different outcome if one key fluky play does or does not happen. There easily could be a world where the Ray Lewis Ravens have as many SB titles as the Brady Pats or Big Ben Steelers. With that said...

The Ravens have given us one SB already. They have so many good things going for them. Their front office destroys all but maybe 2 or 3 other FOs in the entire NFL. Their franchise QB was GREAT today, their defense was GREAT today, and they pretty much played the Pats to a draw in New England. Overall I'm very happy with the Ravens. I think Torrey Smith's development could take the offense to the next level. Flacco will be 27 next year, so he should be entering his prime.

Bottom line: Variance happens, our team played like SB champs today and I'm happy with their performance

 
I suffered with you guys today. That pass in the end zone to Lee Evans was soooooo close and then since it was time for church, I had already gotten up to get an old school VHS to tape the overtime when Cundiff missed the field goal and it was gut wrenching.

I have said this a couple of times recently, but kudos to everyone here for their awesome insight and knowlegeable football talk, specifically on the Ravens, but with solid intel on your opponents also. I will look forward to listening in and occasionally asking some questions during the off-season and in the 2012 season.

Thankful that there will be a normal off season with free agency, the draft, and a normal pre-season to talk football in the Shark Pool.

 
:thumbup: Good season, Ravens. Made the AFC North proud and my condolences on a heartbreaking loss. Thought for sure they had it there, at the end.
:thumbup: , CM.This one doesn't seem to hurt as badly as last year's loss to the Steelers, but it ain't too far behind. I think what takes the sting away some is that the Ravens played well overall (unlike last year's 2nd half gack job). You have to play near perfect to beat good teams on the road and they were right there, matching NE blow for blow. I don't know that the D could play any better against Brady than they did and, if you had told me before the game that he'd barely have 200 yds, 0 TD passes, and 2 INTs, I would've liked Baltimore's chances.Wilfork was magnificent for NE, just annihilating the pocket. But Flacco kept his cool for the most part (much better than last week) and was probably the 2nd best player on the field.Baltimore has to do something with their blocking schemes. They either need new people or a different plan (or both). With this supposed talent they should be more consistent than they are.Well - great game, great season. Time to reload and try it again next year.
 
It was a good season for you guys, sorry it ended so abruptly.

I know hindsight is 20/20, but I was stuck with Cundiff the last few weeks and watching him, he was awful between his lack of confidence and calf injury. They should have IR'ed Cundiff and went with Shayne Graham throughout the playoffs.

Also, why didn't they call a timeout? Seems like the FG was rushed. Did anyone explain that? Did they expect Belichick to call one to ice Cundiff?

 

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