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[cubd8]

Fox's hour-long documentary on Obama...cut down to one shockingly un-shocking minute. Linky.

serious? i watched both mccain and obama's documentary and both were excellent. obama could be endorsed by fox news, and people would still find a way to rip them.

 

[Kumerica]

Great article, too long to post, so here's the link:

How Obama Reconciles Dueling Views on Economy

 

[urbanhack]

I've always said that Obama needs to pick Hillary as veep if he wants to win. I don't think he will though.

You called Guliani over Hillary for 08, right?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I've always said that Obama needs to pick Hillary as veep if he wants to win. I don't think he will though.

You called Guliani over Hillary for 08, right?

You dont even want to get into his stuff on the football side. C-L-U-E-L-E-S-SAnd the funny part, is he has given up with football.He gets corrected and beat down by the facts constantly.I think thats why he tends to go more towards that non varifiable fairy tales in the ffa nowadays.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Great article, too long to post, so here's the link:

How Obama Reconciles Dueling Views on Economy

Awesome.

 

[Desert_Power]

I've always said that Obama needs to pick Hillary as veep if he wants to win. I don't think he will though.

You called Guliani over Hillary for 08, right?

You dont even want to get into his stuff on the football side. C-L-U-E-L-E-S-SAnd the funny part, is he has given up with football.He gets corrected and beat down by the facts constantly.I think thats why he tends to go more towards that non varifiable fairy tales in the ffa nowadays.

He deserves to be ridiculed wherever he posts.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Great article, too long to post, so here's the link:

How Obama Reconciles Dueling Views on Economy

Awesome.

Only halfway through the piece, but I'm drooling. I loved this part in particular:

As anyone who has spent time with Obama knows, he likes experts, and his choice of advisers stems in part from his interest in empirical research. (James Heckman, a Nobel laureate who critiqued the campaign’s education plan at Goolsbee’s request, said, “I’ve never worked with a campaign that was more interested in what the research shows.”) By surrounding himself with economists, however, Obama was also making a decision with ideological consequences. Far more than many other policy advisers, economists believe in the power of markets. What tends to distinguish Democratic economists is that they set out to uncover imperfections of the market and then come up with incremental, market-based solutions to these imperfections. This helps explain the Obama campaign’s interest in behavioral economics, a relatively new field that has pointed out many ways in which people make irrational, short-term decisions. To deal with one example of such myopia, Obama would require companies to automatically set aside a portion of their workers’ salary in a 401(k) plan. Any worker could override the decision — and save nothing at all or save even more — but the default would be to save.

 

[tommyGunZ]

How can people who are actually serious about the issues argue that Obama is a socialist in any way?

“The market is the best mechanism ever invented for efficiently allocating resources to maximize production,” Obama told me. “And I also think that there is a connection between the freedom of the marketplace and freedom more generally.” But, he continued, “there are certain things the market doesn’t automatically do.” In other words, free-market policy isn’t likely to dominate his agenda; his project would be fixing the market.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Obama's campaign plane was in Norfolk, VA today - VP announcement coming soon?

 

[kaa]

I've always said that Obama needs to pick Hillary as veep if he wants to win. I don't think he will though.

You called Guliani over Hillary for 08, right?

Nope.

 

[Spiderman]

Daley Accused Of Blocking Release Of Obama-Ayers Documents In his Chicago Tribune column, John Kass writes today about the efforts of Stanley Kurtz, a writer for the conservative National Review, to get documents from the University of Illinois at Chicago library on the relationship between Barack Obama and radical William Ayers. The AP reports the University on Tuesday "refused to release records relating to Barack Obama's service to a nonprofit group linked to" Ayers, saying "the donor of the records that document the work of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge has not yet turned over ownership rights to the material." However, Kass has a much different explanation – "The secret is hidden in the name of the library: The Richard J. Daley Library." Noting that the younger Daley is currently Mayor of Chicago and a close political ally of Obama, Kass says, "It's obvious that Mr. Kurtz and the National Review didn't have the special Chicago Democratic machine library card: The mayor's smiling face on one side. And your voting record on the other." In its Swamp blog, the Chicago Tribune notes that "Obama served as board chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge for three years starting in 1995 and remained on the board until the project closed in 2001."

 

[fightingduck]

How can people who are actually serious about the issues argue that Obama is a socialist in any way?

“The market is the best mechanism ever invented for efficiently allocating resources to maximize production,” Obama told me. “And I also think that there is a connection between the freedom of the marketplace and freedom more generally.” But, he continued, “there are certain things the market doesn’t automatically do.” In other words, free-market policy isn’t likely to dominate his agenda; his project would be fixing the market.

But since the campaign began, Goolsbee has been arguing that those technicalities offer one of the best glimpses of how Obama thinks about the tax code. Right now, several big tax breaks that sound broad-based — like those for child care and mortgage interest — don’t always benefit middle-income and lower-income families. Another example is the Hope Credit for college tuition, a creation of the Clinton administration. Obama wants to more than double the credit, to $4,000. More to the point, he would make it “fully refundable.” As a result, a family with an income-tax bill of $3,000 wouldn’t merely have that bill eliminated; it would also receive a $1,000 check. Increasingly, the income-tax system becomes a way to transfer money to poor families.

I'm not calling him names, but there is no doubt he has a very different view of the tax system that any other modern American politician. This is Bob Reich's wet dream, direct income re-distribution.... He also destroys the concept of social security being just a bad retirement program (it's a safety net now that is at least tied to your contributions). He disconnects contributions from benefits almost entirely with this stuff:

Obama’s second-most-expensive proposal, after his health-care plan, is the equivalent of a $500 cut in the payroll tax for most workers. (It is actually a credit that is applied toward income taxes based on payroll taxes paid.)

He would then pay for the cuts, at least in part, by raising taxes on the affluent to a point where they would eventually be slightly higher than they were under Clinton.

I couldn't find if the article mentioned it, but he plans to raise payroll taxes on people over 250k. Thus, the rich pay's for the poor's retirement. I could live with some parts of a neg income tax, but here is the part that makes me: :X

To put it another way, the wealthy have done so well over the past few decades, with their incomes soaring and tax rates plummeting, that Obama’s plan would not come close to erasing their gains. The same would be true of households making a few hundred thousand dollars a year (who have gotten smaller raises than the very rich but would also face smaller tax increases).

It's not the same people that are in Obama's new tax brackets. The people that were rich 10 years ago - are now rich and are less affected by tax increases. The people that will be getting to the peak earning years (after decades or work, schooling and paying there dues) are now getting soaked with a tax increase. There's a complete disconnect in these stats that say the rich got richer... People move between these brackets all of the time. The people whose income has grown the most in ten years (say from 25k to 250k) isn't because of some macro-economic capitalist plot, it's because they've improved their skills, gained experience and likely went to a few more years of schooling. To say the "rich" saw gains unfairly (as if it’s a defined group of non-changing people) is just a gross disconnect from reality.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

New commercial...

 

[tommyGunZ]

To say the "rich" saw gains unfairly (as if it’s a defined group of non-changing people) is just a gross disconnect from reality.

Obama doesn't say this.

 

[kaa]

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/...a-says-hes.html

Obama says he's chosen his VP -- won't reveal who it is yet

Barack Obama told USA TODAY this afternoon that "yes," he has made up his mind about whom his running mate will be -- but he would not reveal the name or just when he will tell the nation about his choice.

USA TODAY's Kathy Kiely writes that:

In an interview in Chester, Va., the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee said he's made up his mind, but he would not say whether he's informed that person yet. "I won't comment on anything else until I introduce our running mate to the world," he said. "That's all you're going to get out of me."

Obama said it was a difficult decision. "We had some great choices."

Obama said he wanted somebody who is "prepared to be president" and who will be "a partner with me in strengthening this economy for the middle class and working families."

He said he was looking for not just a partner but a sparring partner. "I want somebody who's independent, somebody who can push against my preconceived notions and challenge me so we have got a robust debate in the White House."

He wants someone who can challenge him? He wants a robust debate in the White House?

Could it really be Hillary? She obviously fits that description the best.

 

[adonis]

It certainly could be Hillary.

Whatever makes him most likely to win, I'll support. At this point, I really wouldn't mind a Hillary VP.

 

[Clayton Gray]

It certainly could be Hillary.Whatever makes him most likely to win, I'll support. At this point, I really wouldn't mind a Hillary VP.

Just let us know when the text arrives.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

He wants someone who can challenge him? He wants a robust debate in the White House?Could it really be Hillary? She obviously fits that description the best.

No kidding. In fact, I can't think of anyone else that would so clearly.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

It certainly could be Hillary.Whatever makes him most likely to win, I'll support. At this point, I really wouldn't mind a Hillary VP.

I'd be pissed.Extremely pissed.

 

[kaa]

I have this image of Obama standing on stage, looking a bit confused, head tilted slightly upward, orating as usual, and behind him Bill and Hillary Clinton are hunched over wringing their hands saying "yeessssssssssssss Obama yesssssssssssssss you belooonnnnggg to ussssssssssss nowwwww!!"

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Whatever makes him most likely to win, I'll support.

"New kind of politics" = "doing whatever it takes to win."

 

[Moe Green]

I have this image of Obama standing on stage, looking a bit confused, head tilted slightly upward, orating as usual, and behind him Bill and Hillary Clinton are hunched over wringing their hands saying "yeessssssssssssss Obama yesssssssssssssss you belooonnnnggg to ussssssssssss nowwwww!!"

You need a hard drink.

 

[Clayton Gray]

I have this image of Obama standing on stage, looking a bit confused, head tilted slightly upward, orating as usual, and behind him Bill and Hillary Clinton are hunched over wringing their hands saying "yeessssssssssssss Obama yesssssssssssssss you belooonnnnggg to ussssssssssss nowwwww!!"

Because that's exactly what you'd see?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/...a-says-hes.html

Obama says he's chosen his VP -- won't reveal who it is yet

Barack Obama told USA TODAY this afternoon that "yes," he has made up his mind about whom his running mate will be -- but he would not reveal the name or just when he will tell the nation about his choice.

USA TODAY's Kathy Kiely writes that:

In an interview in Chester, Va., the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee said he's made up his mind, but he would not say whether he's informed that person yet. "I won't comment on anything else until I introduce our running mate to the world," he said. "That's all you're going to get out of me."

Obama said it was a difficult decision. "We had some great choices."

Obama said he wanted somebody who is "prepared to be president" and who will be "a partner with me in strengthening this economy for the middle class and working families."

He said he was looking for not just a partner but a sparring partner. "I want somebody who's independent, somebody who can push against my preconceived notions and challenge me so we have got a robust debate in the White House."

He wants someone who can challenge him? He wants a robust debate in the White House?

Could it really be Hillary? She obviously fits that description the best.

Biden would make a good sparring partner as well. And Hillary isn't prepared to be president. She's had two episodes of executive-like experience: health care reform (legendary failure) and acting as CEO of her presidential campaign (legendary failure). She's manifestly unsuited to be anywhere near the oval office. Hell, I think she should be barred from taking public tours of the White House.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/...a-says-hes.html

Obama says he's chosen his VP -- won't reveal who it is yet

Barack Obama told USA TODAY this afternoon that "yes," he has made up his mind about whom his running mate will be -- but he would not reveal the name or just when he will tell the nation about his choice.

USA TODAY's Kathy Kiely writes that:

In an interview in Chester, Va., the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee said he's made up his mind, but he would not say whether he's informed that person yet. "I won't comment on anything else until I introduce our running mate to the world," he said. "That's all you're going to get out of me."

Obama said it was a difficult decision. "We had some great choices."

Obama said he wanted somebody who is "prepared to be president" and who will be "a partner with me in strengthening this economy for the middle class and working families."

He said he was looking for not just a partner but a sparring partner. "I want somebody who's independent, somebody who can push against my preconceived notions and challenge me so we have got a robust debate in the White House."

He wants someone who can challenge him? He wants a robust debate in the White House?

Could it really be Hillary? She obviously fits that description the best.

Biden would make a good sparring partner as well. And Hillary isn't prepared to be president. She's had two episodes of executive-like experience: health care reform (legendary failure) and acting as CEO of her presidential campaign (legendary failure). She's manifestly unsuited to be anywhere near the oval office. Hell, I think she should be barred from taking public tours of the White House.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/20...n-backs-aw.html

McCain Backs Away from Abortion Pledge

August 20, 2008 8:46 PM

ABC News' Teddy Davis and Rigel Anderson Report: John McCain's campaign signaled on Wednesday that the Arizona senator is backing away from his previously stated goal of changing the GOP’s platform on abortion.

"There's a process in place for the delegates to work on the platform and we are going to let that process work itself out," McCain spokesman Brian Rogers told ABC News.

McCain’s plan to take a hands-off approach with the abortion platform stands in stark contrast with the position he took during his first presidential run.

Back in 2000, McCain clashed with then-Gov. George W. Bush over his unwillingness to change platform language that called for a human life amendment banning all abortions.

McCain implored Bush to join him in wanting to add exceptions for rape, incest, and danger to the life of the mother.

McCain's desire to change the platform did not end in 2000.

During an April 14, 2007 media availability which followed the Iowa GOP's Lincoln Day Dinner in Des Moines, McCain reaffirmed his support for changing the platform.

But now that he is the presumptive Republican nominee, the McCain camp is making it clear that he has no plans to push for changes to the platform.

McCain's decision to leave the platform untouched follows a warning from a prominent social conservative.

"If he were to change the party platform," to account for exceptions such as rape, incest or risk to the mother's life, "I think that would be political suicide," Tony Perkins, the president of the conservative Family Research Council, told ABC News in May. "I think he would be aborting his own campaign because that is such a critical issue to so many Republican voters and the Republican brand is already in trouble."

While leaving the platform untouched would please many in the GOP's socially conservative base, it could alienate some of the more moderate voters that McCain is hoping to attract.

"If he doesn't change the platform, then he's being the same kind of hypocrite that he accused Bush of being in 2000," Jennifer Blei Stockman, the co-chairwoman of Republican Majority for Choice, told ABC News in May.

"Many people think of him as a moderate," she added. "But when it comes out that he doesn't want to change this extreme, right-wing Republican platform, the word 'moderate' is going to disappear from any description of McCain."

Obama needs to push this one BIG TIME. Not only the hypocritical aspect, but the idiocy of the policy...two birds with one stone.

 

[flufhed]

Why oh why, for the love of God, has Obama not made a commercial that basically pits two "candidates" against one another, discussing their stance on all the various issues, only to reveal at the end that it is the same candidate, John McCain? It writes itself.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Why oh why, for the love of God, has Obama not made a commercial that basically pits two "candidates" against one another, discussing their stance on all the various issues, only to reveal at the end that it is the same candidate, John McCain? It writes itself.

Yeah, Obama needs to get on that right now, because he won't be able to run any ads in October.

 

[Desert_Power]

I've always said that Obama needs to pick Hillary as veep if he wants to win. I don't think he will though.

You called Guliani over Hillary for 08, right?

Nope.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...iliani&st=0

 

[adonis]

It certainly could be Hillary.Whatever makes him most likely to win, I'll support. At this point, I really wouldn't mind a Hillary VP.

Just let us know when the text arrives.

Still haven't signed up. I'll hear about the announcement through the FFA, just like every other American.

 

[adonis]

Whatever makes him most likely to win, I'll support.

"New kind of politics" = "doing whatever it takes to win."

That's really what you got from what I said?

 

[adonis]

It certainly could be Hillary.Whatever makes him most likely to win, I'll support. At this point, I really wouldn't mind a Hillary VP.

I'd be pissed.Extremely pissed.

Would you be more pissed if Hillary was the VP, or if McCain won?

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Obama needs to push this one BIG TIME. Not only the hypocritical aspect, but the idiocy of the policy...two birds with one stone.

The maverick has been gelded.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I've always said that Obama needs to pick Hillary as veep if he wants to win. I don't think he will though.

You called Guliani over Hillary for 08, right?

Nope.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...iliani&st=0

Great call, Beej.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

It certainly could be Hillary.Whatever makes him most likely to win, I'll support. At this point, I really wouldn't mind a Hillary VP.

I'd be pissed.Extremely pissed.

Would you be more pissed if Hillary was the VP, or if McCain won?

I'd rather Obama win the right way.

 

[BassNBrew]

It certainly could be Hillary.Whatever makes him most likely to win, I'll support. At this point, I really wouldn't mind a Hillary VP.

I'd be pissed.Extremely pissed.

Would you be more pissed if Hillary was the VP, or if McCain won?

Hillary.

 

[adonis]

It certainly could be Hillary.Whatever makes him most likely to win, I'll support. At this point, I really wouldn't mind a Hillary VP.

I'd be pissed.Extremely pissed.

Would you be more pissed if Hillary was the VP, or if McCain won?

I'd rather Obama win the right way.

But given those two choices, which would piss you off more?Basically I'm implying if adding Hillary was the only way, it might piss you off, but considering the alternative, it still might be the best option.

 

[BassNBrew]

New commercial...

I haven't been paying attention to this race lately. I thought obama wasn't doing attack ads based upon the posts of others in this forum. I don't blame him and think he needs to to win...just surprised to see this after what I've read here.

 

[BassNBrew]

It certainly could be Hillary.Whatever makes him most likely to win, I'll support. At this point, I really wouldn't mind a Hillary VP.

I'd be pissed.Extremely pissed.

Would you be more pissed if Hillary was the VP, or if McCain won?

I'd rather Obama win the right way.

But given those two choices, which would piss you off more?Basically I'm implying if adding Hillary was the only way, it might piss you off, but considering the alternative, it still might be the best option.

Nope...adding Hillary means that the message we've been hearing is a farce and would eliminate the primary reason for my obama support.

 

[adonis]

New commercial...

He doesn't publicize his attack ads like McCain does. Obama has been running attack ads in battleground states for a while now, without pre-releasing them to the media for extra coverage.McCain needs/wants that extra coverage, so his campaign releases the commercials first, and it gets much more publicity that way. That's what leads to that perception.

 

[urbanhack]

I've always said that Obama needs to pick Hillary as veep if he wants to win. I don't think he will though.

You called Guliani over Hillary for 08, right?

Nope.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...iliani&st=0

specifically:

If McCain gets the nomination, I'm leaving for the convenience store to get a six pack of PBR and some Cheetos White Cheddar Puffs.

If McCain gets the noimination, I swear to you I'm voting for Hillary Clinton. McCain would be far more corrupt.

 

[adonis]

It certainly could be Hillary.Whatever makes him most likely to win, I'll support. At this point, I really wouldn't mind a Hillary VP.

I'd be pissed.Extremely pissed.

Would you be more pissed if Hillary was the VP, or if McCain won?

I'd rather Obama win the right way.

But given those two choices, which would piss you off more?Basically I'm implying if adding Hillary was the only way, it might piss you off, but considering the alternative, it still might be the best option.

Nope...adding Hillary means that the message we've been hearing is a farce and would eliminate the primary reason for my obama support.

Fair enough.You're rather Obama lose on message, than have him win slightly off message.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

You're rather Obama lose on message, than have him win slightly off message.

Of course.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

It certainly could be Hillary.Whatever makes him most likely to win, I'll support. At this point, I really wouldn't mind a Hillary VP.

I'd be pissed.Extremely pissed.

Would you be more pissed if Hillary was the VP, or if McCain won?

I'd rather Obama win the right way.

But given those two choices, which would piss you off more?Basically I'm implying if adding Hillary was the only way, it might piss you off, but considering the alternative, it still might be the best option.

Nope...adding Hillary means that the message we've been hearing is a farce and would eliminate the primary reason for my obama support.

Fair enough.You're rather Obama lose on message, than have him win slightly off message.

You're running on the assumption that it's a slam dunk with her on the ticket. I disagree wholeheartedly.

 

[adonis]

You're rather Obama lose on message, than have him win slightly off message.

Of course.

I'd prefer him to win without running any negative ads, saying stuff people want to hear, or picking a VP for no more reason than a political reason, but I'm not sure someone like him can do that and win.

 

[adonis]

It certainly could be Hillary.Whatever makes him most likely to win, I'll support. At this point, I really wouldn't mind a Hillary VP.

I'd be pissed.Extremely pissed.

Would you be more pissed if Hillary was the VP, or if McCain won?

I'd rather Obama win the right way.

But given those two choices, which would piss you off more?Basically I'm implying if adding Hillary was the only way, it might piss you off, but considering the alternative, it still might be the best option.

Nope...adding Hillary means that the message we've been hearing is a farce and would eliminate the primary reason for my obama support.

Fair enough.You're rather Obama lose on message, than have him win slightly off message.

You're running on the assumption that it's a slam dunk with her on the ticket. I disagree wholeheartedly.

I hope it's a moot point, but I think she makes his ticket stronger.I've always thought that, but in the past I thought he had what it took on his own to beat McCain and not have to go off message. I don't see that happening.He's going to have to toughen up, be more negative, take McCain on and really hammer home themes while exploiting McCains flaws. I think Hillary gives him the best chance to win, but if he can win without her, I'd prefer that, but if he'd lose without her, I'll take her.

 

[Hammered Finz]

Change we can believe in...

As long as it is politically convenient and helps us win...

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

You're rather Obama lose on message, than have him win slightly off message.

Of course.

I'd prefer him to win without running any negative ads, saying stuff people want to hear, or picking a VP for no more reason than a political reason, but I'm not sure someone like him can do that and win.

If he can't win without Hillary Clinton, he doesn't deserve to run the country.

 

[BassNBrew]

It certainly could be Hillary.Whatever makes him most likely to win, I'll support. At this point, I really wouldn't mind a Hillary VP.

I'd be pissed.Extremely pissed.

Would you be more pissed if Hillary was the VP, or if McCain won?

I'd rather Obama win the right way.

But given those two choices, which would piss you off more?Basically I'm implying if adding Hillary was the only way, it might piss you off, but considering the alternative, it still might be the best option.

Nope...adding Hillary means that the message we've been hearing is a farce and would eliminate the primary reason for my obama support.

Fair enough.You're rather Obama lose on message, than have him win slightly off message.

Yup. I'm probably about 30-40% with him on the issues and in the same place with McCain. Probably in the minority that I prefer Obama on foreign/social issues and McCain on domestic fiscal/energy issues. Obama has my support based on the fact that I believe he would not be bought off and there might be some hope that the political machines would lose power. Bringing Hillary aboard and going off message eliminates the reason for my support.

 

[Trey]

It certainly could be Hillary.

Whatever makes him most likely to win, I'll support. At this point, I really wouldn't mind a Hillary VP.

I'd be pissed.Extremely pissed.

Would you be more pissed if Hillary was the VP, or if McCain won?

I'd rather Obama win the right way.

But given those two choices, which would piss you off more?Basically I'm implying if adding Hillary was the only way, it might piss you off, but considering the alternative, it still might be the best option.

Nope...adding Hillary means that the message we've been hearing is a farce and would eliminate the primary reason for my obama support.

Yes, because Evan Bayh would be so on message. As was his FISA vote.