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I need to bump that 'Mark Ingram HOF' thread.Huskies RB Sankey is 'second coming of Emmitt Smith'
I need to bump that 'Mark Ingram HOF' thread.Huskies RB Sankey is 'second coming of Emmitt Smith'
Watched it again and thought he looked outstanding in that game. I have no idea what your talking about here.People should watch last years Huskies vs Oregon and see what happens to Sankey vs good defenses. He looked very Bobby Raineyish. He got decent stats on volume, but a lot of 2-3 yard carries with one 70 yard td run. If he gets volume in the NFL he will be good for fantasy, but long term he is likely to end up in a RBBC with a better through the tackles runner. I plan on drafting him this year in redraft as a low RB2 with upside but i wouldnt bet on him long term.
You play with infants.Noah Davis said:He will go with the 1st pick in my 4 year rookie contract salary cap league. I've got the 1.02 pick and I've been talking him up to the 1.01 a needy RB team....I've talked him up to the TN homer who is trying to trade Eddie Lacy for the 1.01 and 3.01 pick to ensure I have a fall back plan.
I'm doing all of this so that Watkins falls to 1.02. With McCoy, Ball, Vereen and Miller I'm set at RB - but Watkins would be the feather in my cap.
Just to be clear that comparison is the opinion of Dave Thomas not mine.I need to bump that 'Mark Ingram HOF' thread.Huskies RB Sankey is 'second coming of Emmitt Smith'
I do not know what peoples opinions are of him as a evaluator. Just sharing his point of view. I do think comparing any player to a HOF is a bit sensational.Dave-Te’ Thomas is a sports writer, talent evaluator and scouting personnel consultant for a majority of teams in the National Football League. Thomas also coordinates scouting services for Major League Baseball, National Hockey League and National Basketball Association organizations.
Dave-Te’ runs a scouting information service called NFL Scouting Services and produces THE NFL Draft Report, a publication provided by league headquarters to the media in preparation for the NFL Draft. As a teenager, Dave-Te’ was contracted by several NFL teams to assist their scouting departments on the nation’s top gridiron stars. Soon, other teams began requesting his services, thus the start of his scouting service. After serving in the United States Football League as a scouting information consultant, Dave-Te’ returned to the NFL circles, serving in a personnel consulting capacity since 1984.
Known for his “shoot first, but know where to aim” style, Dave-Te’ has co-hosted several shows including:
• Sports Channel’s NewSportsTalk with Chet Coppock
• ESPN Fiesta Bowl College Gameday Show with Kevin Ray and Beano Cook
• ESPN’s KMOX-St. Louis
• The Football Network
• Cox Cable’s NFL Draft Report along with Paul Crane.
• Versus Network’s Countdown to the NFL Draft, Countdown to the NBA Draft, Countdown to the BSC Championship Game and Countdown to the NCAA Final Four Shows
Dave-Te’ has served on the selection committee for the following Bowls:
• Kelly Tire Blue-Gray Game
• Martin Luther King Classic
• Original All-American Classic
• Hula Bowl
His abilities as a writer led him to produce the NFL’s draft and preseason reports (over 3,000-page tome) yearly since 1983. He is editor of The NFL Draft Report, NFL Report, The Poor Man’s Guide to College Football and The NBA Report. Dave-Te’ also serves as a sports writer, with works featured in over 100 college media guides (College & Pro Football Newsweekly, Associated Press, Giants Weekly, New York Daily News, Atlanta-Journal Constitution, San Jose Bee, San Francisco Chronicle).
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I agree with most of it tbh, I'm not as down on him as you might think. I just don't think he will be a full time player in the NFL. When he has a clearly open hole, he can hit it with speed and decisiveness, which we see a couple of times. He also can break arm tackles when going through the hole. I've just seen a lot of plays where he can't find the hole or it is collapsing on him and he either takes it to the outside or gets tackled in the backfield. Taking it outside does not work as well in the NFL as it does in college. He also does not absorb tackles as well as other running backs, like you said he often goes down easy and this happens a lot more often than you think. He will have to run decisively through the middle, even when the hole isn't large or it is collapsing on him, to be full-time running back at the NFL level. Furthering my point, there is a sequence where he gets 3 tries at the goalline and can't punch it through.Yeah I just re-watched that game and it made me want to draft him #1 overall.
Things I noticed
Made people miss in space - check (I mean he broke defenders ankles bad on two separate occasions)
Ran well between the tackles - check
Showed good hands catching - check
Showed homerun speed - check
Got yards after contact - check (side note I also saw him go down easy a couple of times so that's 50/50)
Got skinny in the hole - check ( I personally think he excels at this because I've seen on several occasions where he doesn't need a lot of room to break big inside runs.)
In that game Sankey reminded me of a stronger Gio. He looked great.
1.5 ppr fro TEs id have gone Ebron and i like Sankey.Anddddddddddddddddddd Sankey was there for me at pick 4 (Watkins-Evans-Cooks........1.5 PPR for TE, surprised Cooks went before Ebron).
He better be good. Went with "need", which I almost never do. Preferred EBron
Where would you have Ebron in a standard PPR if you like Ebron over Sankey in the 1.5 version? Not that I disagree, just curious how much of a bump you are giving for 1.5ppr.1.5 ppr fro TEs id have gone Ebron and i like Sankey.Anddddddddddddddddddd Sankey was there for me at pick 4 (Watkins-Evans-Cooks........1.5 PPR for TE, surprised Cooks went before Ebron).
He better be good. Went with "need", which I almost never do. Preferred EBron
Same here but difference for me was I was pick 3 and knew I'd be eyeballing this decision for the past two weeks. Lost count of how many times I changed my mind. After weeks of mulling it over I still could decide when I was on the clock.Anddddddddddddddddddd Sankey was there for me at pick 4 (Watkins-Evans-Cooks........1.5 PPR for TE, surprised Cooks went before Ebron).
He better be good. Went with "need", which I almost never do. Preferred EBron
Well, if a TE gets 70-80 catches, that extra 35-40 points for the 1.5 league is HUGE!!! Pretty drastic change in rankings.Where would you have Ebron in a standard PPR if you like Ebron over Sankey in the 1.5 version? Not that I disagree, just curious how much of a bump you are giving for 1.5ppr.1.5 ppr fro TEs id have gone Ebron and i like Sankey.Anddddddddddddddddddd Sankey was there for me at pick 4 (Watkins-Evans-Cooks........1.5 PPR for TE, surprised Cooks went before Ebron).
He better be good. Went with "need", which I almost never do. Preferred EBron
I suppose that is possible - he did have 20 TDs and set all kinds of school records...I had thought I was the biggest Sankey fanboy on here. But Brewtown, Sankey might not even have been the most talented RB on his own team last season. ;-)
#6Where would you have Ebron in a standard PPR if you like Ebron over Sankey in the 1.5 version? Not that I disagree, just curious how much of a bump you are giving for 1.5ppr.1.5 ppr fro TEs id have gone Ebron and i like Sankey.Anddddddddddddddddddd Sankey was there for me at pick 4 (Watkins-Evans-Cooks........1.5 PPR for TE, surprised Cooks went before Ebron).
He better be good. Went with "need", which I almost never do. Preferred EBron
I drafted him at 1.03 in one league and traded Gerhart / mid 2015 1st rounder for him (Start 2 to 3 RB, 16 teams)#6Where would you have Ebron in a standard PPR if you like Ebron over Sankey in the 1.5 version? Not that I disagree, just curious how much of a bump you are giving for 1.5ppr.1.5 ppr fro TEs id have gone Ebron and i like Sankey.Anddddddddddddddddddd Sankey was there for me at pick 4 (Watkins-Evans-Cooks........1.5 PPR for TE, surprised Cooks went before Ebron).
He better be good. Went with "need", which I almost never do. Preferred EBron
Any metrics doen for these guys when they are tired?? Or just when they are totally fresh with little shorts on after training for months for these specific events??
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.@BishopSankey: No discussions about being the starter yet but the quicker I pick up playbook & make plays in practice the better. #SXMNFL
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It's only huge if you're thinking in terms of a flex spot.Well, if a TE gets 70-80 catches, that extra 35-40 points for the 1.5 league is HUGE!!! Pretty drastic change in rankings.Where would you have Ebron in a standard PPR if you like Ebron over Sankey in the 1.5 version? Not that I disagree, just curious how much of a bump you are giving for 1.5ppr.1.5 ppr fro TEs id have gone Ebron and i like Sankey.Anddddddddddddddddddd Sankey was there for me at pick 4 (Watkins-Evans-Cooks........1.5 PPR for TE, surprised Cooks went before Ebron).
He better be good. Went with "need", which I almost never do. Preferred EBron
In standard leagues to me Ebron is a very late 1st.
In 1.5 I wouldnt fault someone for taking him with the #1 pick.
Two peas in a pod...Meh.better athlete than football player
That's what she said.It's only huge if you're thinking in terms of a flex spot.Well, if a TE gets 70-80 catches, that extra 35-40 points for the 1.5 league is HUGE!!! Pretty drastic change in rankings.Where would you have Ebron in a standard PPR if you like Ebron over Sankey in the 1.5 version? Not that I disagree, just curious how much of a bump you are giving for 1.5ppr.1.5 ppr fro TEs id have gone Ebron and i like Sankey.Anddddddddddddddddddd Sankey was there for me at pick 4 (Watkins-Evans-Cooks........1.5 PPR for TE, surprised Cooks went before Ebron).
He better be good. Went with "need", which I almost never do. Preferred EBron
In standard leagues to me Ebron is a very late 1st.
In 1.5 I wouldnt fault someone for taking him with the #1 pick.
Are you calling me a pedophile??You play with infantsHe will go with the 1st pick in my 4 year rookie contract salary cap league. I've got the 1.02 pick and I've been talking him up to the 1.01 a needy RB team....I've talked him up to the TN homer who is trying to trade Eddie Lacy for the 1.01 and 3.01 pick to ensure I have a fall back plan.
I'm doing all of this so that Watkins falls to 1.02. With McCoy, Ball, Vereen and Miller I'm set at RB - but Watkins would be the feather in my cap.
Ha. See post #471Shonn Greene on the bubble with Tennessee Titans?
Is Shonn Greene fighting for his roster spot with the Titans?
Plugged-in beat writer Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean noted Monday that the veteran running back could find himself the odd man out even after the team parted ways with Chris Johnson.
It's far from an outrageous notion. Especially with Greene coming off two right knee surgeries over nine months and set to make $2.3 million this season. Cutting the sixth-year runner would shave roughly $1.7 million off Tennessee's salary cap.
New coach Ken Whisenhunt watched last year's game film and promptly cited running back as a draft need before using the No. 54 overall pick on Washington's Bishop Sankey, who Gregg Rosenthal expects to be the "centerpiece of the backfield."
Whisenhunt also mined the open market to sign former Chiefs jitterbug Dexter McCluster, who figures to serve as Tennessee's version of Danny Woodhead. Whiz used a combination of Woodhead and Ryan Mathews to account for more 80 percent of San Diego's carries last season.
If Greene projects as little more than a short-yardage hammer behind Sankey and McCluster, his price tag and injury history might not sit well with the Titans. As Wyatt noted, "stranger things have happened."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000353305/article/shonn-greene-on-the-bubble-in-tennessee
From rotoworld:Shonn Greene on the bubble with Tennessee Titans?
Is Shonn Greene fighting for his roster spot with the Titans?
Plugged-in beat writer Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean noted Monday that the veteran running back could find himself the odd man out even after the team parted ways with Chris Johnson.
It's far from an outrageous notion. Especially with Greene coming off two right knee surgeries over nine months and set to make $2.3 million this season. Cutting the sixth-year runner would shave roughly $1.7 million off Tennessee's salary cap.
New coach Ken Whisenhunt watched last year's game film and promptly cited running back as a draft need before using the No. 54 overall pick on Washington's Bishop Sankey, who Gregg Rosenthal expects to be the "centerpiece of the backfield."
Whisenhunt also mined the open market to sign former Chiefs jitterbug Dexter McCluster, who figures to serve as Tennessee's version of Danny Woodhead. Whiz used a combination of Woodhead and Ryan Mathews to account for more 80 percent of San Diego's carries last season.
If Greene projects as little more than a short-yardage hammer behind Sankey and McCluster, his price tag and injury history might not sit well with the Titans. As Wyatt noted, "stranger things have happened."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000353305/article/shonn-greene-on-the-bubble-in-tennessee
If you're so certain of your assessment, why do you feel the need to reach so far to confirm your opinion? There is absolutely nothing to hang this little blurb on other than a sportswriter randomly speculating.Shonn Greene - RB - Titans
The Tennessean believes Shonn Greene's roster spot is not 100 percent safe.
Beat writer Jim Wyatt emphasizes that he's heard no buzz Greene could be cut, but allows the possibility. He's scheduled to earn $2.3 million this season, is coming off a 3.83 YPC season and has undergone two right knee surgeries in the last nine months. Still, the Titans' other "big back" option to complement Bishop Sankey is Jackie Battle. Greene will be given every opportunity to handle the short-yardage work.
Source: Nashville Tennessean May 26 - 11:07 AM
I'm not worried about Shonn Greene - and I'm not trying to confirm my opinion. I'm simply trying to inform - like Faust.Bronco Billy said:From rotoworld:Brewtown said:Shonn Greene on the bubble with Tennessee Titans?
Is Shonn Greene fighting for his roster spot with the Titans?
Plugged-in beat writer Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean noted Monday that the veteran running back could find himself the odd man out even after the team parted ways with Chris Johnson.
It's far from an outrageous notion. Especially with Greene coming off two right knee surgeries over nine months and set to make $2.3 million this season. Cutting the sixth-year runner would shave roughly $1.7 million off Tennessee's salary cap.
New coach Ken Whisenhunt watched last year's game film and promptly cited running back as a draft need before using the No. 54 overall pick on Washington's Bishop Sankey, who Gregg Rosenthal expects to be the "centerpiece of the backfield."
Whisenhunt also mined the open market to sign former Chiefs jitterbug Dexter McCluster, who figures to serve as Tennessee's version of Danny Woodhead. Whiz used a combination of Woodhead and Ryan Mathews to account for more 80 percent of San Diego's carries last season.
If Greene projects as little more than a short-yardage hammer behind Sankey and McCluster, his price tag and injury history might not sit well with the Titans. As Wyatt noted, "stranger things have happened."http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000353305/article/shonn-greene-on-the-bubble-in-tennessee
If you're so certain of your assessment, why do you feel the need to reach so far to confirm your opinion? There is absolutely nothing to hang this little blurb on other than a sportswriter randomly speculating.Shonn Greene - RB - Titans
The Tennessean believes Shonn Greene's roster spot is not 100 percent safe.Beat writer Jim Wyatt emphasizes that he's heard no buzz Greene could be cut, but allows the possibility. He's scheduled to earn $2.3 million this season, is coming off a 3.83 YPC season and has undergone two right knee surgeries in the last nine months. Still, the Titans' other "big back" option to complement Bishop Sankey is Jackie Battle. Greene will be given every opportunity to handle the short-yardage work.
Source: Nashville Tennessean May 26 - 11:07 AM
In most leagues, the rookie draft is not the only market for acquiring players.I don't get the bias aginst Sankey. 'Sharks' are making this play, but I figured 'average joe' would catch on eventually and he'd challenge Watkins for 1.01 in rookie drafts. If I missed out on Watkins there is like 3-5+ WR I'd feel good about. If I miss out out on Sankey there is no other rookie RBs who's talent/situation could possibly lead to 15+ touches out the gate. That's the textbook definition of scarcity.
Textbook definition of drafting situation over talent.I don't get the bias aginst Sankey. 'Sharks' are making this play, but I figured 'average joe' would catch on eventually and he'd challenge Watkins for 1.01 in rookie drafts. If I missed out on Watkins there is like 3-5+ WR I'd feel good about. If I miss out out on Sankey there is no other rookie RBs who's talent/situation could possibly lead to 15+ touches out the gate. That's the textbook definition of scarcity.
Some factors are out of our control. Unless you talent is somewhere in the Calvin Johnson stratosphere, situation is almost everything in FF.Textbook definition of drafting situation over talent.I don't get the bias aginst Sankey. 'Sharks' are making this play, but I figured 'average joe' would catch on eventually and he'd challenge Watkins for 1.01 in rookie drafts. If I missed out on Watkins there is like 3-5+ WR I'd feel good about. If I miss out out on Sankey there is no other rookie RBs who's talent/situation could possibly lead to 15+ touches out the gate. That's the textbook definition of scarcity.
1.01 is stretching it.Some factors are out of our control. Unless you talent is somewhere in the Calvin Johnson stratosphere, situation is almost everything in FF.Textbook definition of drafting situation over talent.I don't get the bias aginst Sankey. 'Sharks' are making this play, but I figured 'average joe' would catch on eventually and he'd challenge Watkins for 1.01 in rookie drafts. If I missed out on Watkins there is like 3-5+ WR I'd feel good about. If I miss out out on Sankey there is no other rookie RBs who's talent/situation could possibly lead to 15+ touches out the gate. That's the textbook definition of scarcity.
Supply & demand1.01 is stretching it.Some factors are out of our control. Unless you talent is somewhere in the Calvin Johnson stratosphere, situation is almost everything in FF.Textbook definition of drafting situation over talent.I don't get the bias aginst Sankey. 'Sharks' are making this play, but I figured 'average joe' would catch on eventually and he'd challenge Watkins for 1.01 in rookie drafts. If I missed out on Watkins there is like 3-5+ WR I'd feel good about. If I miss out out on Sankey there is no other rookie RBs who's talent/situation could possibly lead to 15+ touches out the gate. That's the textbook definition of scarcity.
He is a find the first hole, cut straight through as fast as possible guy with not a lot of vision, creativity or hard to bring down-ness. Overall he could be decent with good blocking and good running schemes but you could say that about many RBs in the NFL.I think he looks great running between the tackles. I don't think he finishes runs very well sometimes but he knows how to get skinny in the hole.
Can you put me on the waiting list if there is a opening Big Slick?I just drafted him #1 in a QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE (no flex league). The league is PPR for WR and TE only - not for RB. RBs get slightly more points per rushing yards and less for receiving yards. I was rebuilding this year and had a number of picks. My team name is Big Slick - I was pleased to get my top three RBs and a top two WR:
1: Big Slick: BISHOP SANKEY
2: Beaver Liquors: CARLOS HYDE
3: Tig Ol Bitties: SAMMY WATKINS
4: Big Slick: TRE MASON
5: Big Slick: MIKE EVANS
6: Beaver Liquors: ERIC EBRON
7: Big Slick: JEREMY HILL
8: Bros B4 Hoes: CODY LATIMER
9: Jaeger Bombs: BRANDIN COOKS
10:Tig Ol Bitties: TERRENCE WEST
11:The Shocker: TEDDY BRIDGEWATER
12:TRADE Slippery: JORDAN MATTHEWS
13: Slippery When Wet: JORDAN REED (Wash TE)
14: Beaver Liquors: DEVONTA FREEMAN
15: Tig Ol Bitties: ODELL BECKUM
16: Max Liquidate: KELVIN BENJAMIN
17: Pokeher Face: DAVONTE ADAMS
18: Milwaukee River: JERRICK MCKINNON
19: Bros B4 Hoes: MARTAVIAS BRYANT
20: Milwaukee River: ALFRED BLUE
21: Jaeger Bombs:
22: Pokeher Face:
23: Shocker:
24: Slippery When Wet:
25: Big Slick:
Some good players on the board still...
Do RBs get bonus points for breathing?Can you put me on the waiting list if there is a opening Big Slick?I just drafted him #1 in a QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE (no flex league). The league is PPR for WR and TE only - not for RB. RBs get slightly more points per rushing yards and less for receiving yards. I was rebuilding this year and had a number of picks. My team name is Big Slick - I was pleased to get my top three RBs and a top two WR:
1: Big Slick: BISHOP SANKEY
2: Beaver Liquors: CARLOS HYDE
3: Tig Ol Bitties: SAMMY WATKINS
4: Big Slick: TRE MASON
5: Big Slick: MIKE EVANS
6: Beaver Liquors: ERIC EBRON
7: Big Slick: JEREMY HILL
8: Bros B4 Hoes: CODY LATIMER
9: Jaeger Bombs: BRANDIN COOKS
10:Tig Ol Bitties: TERRENCE WEST
11:The Shocker: TEDDY BRIDGEWATER
12:TRADE Slippery: JORDAN MATTHEWS
13: Slippery When Wet: JORDAN REED (Wash TE)
14: Beaver Liquors: DEVONTA FREEMAN
15: Tig Ol Bitties: ODELL BECKUM
16: Max Liquidate: KELVIN BENJAMIN
17: Pokeher Face: DAVONTE ADAMS
18: Milwaukee River: JERRICK MCKINNON
19: Bros B4 Hoes: MARTAVIAS BRYANT
20: Milwaukee River: ALFRED BLUE
21: Jaeger Bombs:
22: Pokeher Face:
23: Shocker:
24: Slippery When Wet:
25: Big Slick:
Some good players on the board still...
10 pts per rushing yard, 100 pts per rushing TD?McKinnon and Lee shouldn't have gone that high - I agree. Also, Beckham really fell, but there is a lot of great talent in this draft. Folks just like a few other folks ahead of him. RBs have always been at a premium in this league. WRs are always easier to find and RBs tough to find.Do RBs get bonus points for breathing?Can you put me on the waiting list if there is a opening Big Slick?I just drafted him #1 in a QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE (no flex league). The league is PPR for WR and TE only - not for RB. RBs get slightly more points per rushing yards and less for receiving yards. I was rebuilding this year and had a number of picks. My team name is Big Slick - I was pleased to get my top three RBs and a top two WR:
1: Big Slick: BISHOP SANKEY
2: Beaver Liquors: CARLOS HYDE
3: Tig Ol Bitties: SAMMY WATKINS
4: Big Slick: TRE MASON
5: Big Slick: MIKE EVANS
6: Beaver Liquors: ERIC EBRON
7: Big Slick: JEREMY HILL
8: Bros B4 Hoes: CODY LATIMER
9: Jaeger Bombs: BRANDIN COOKS
10:Tig Ol Bitties: TERRENCE WEST
11:The Shocker: TEDDY BRIDGEWATER
12:TRADE Slippery: JORDAN MATTHEWS
13: Slippery When Wet: JORDAN REED (Wash TE)
14: Beaver Liquors: DEVONTA FREEMAN
15: Tig Ol Bitties: ODELL BECKUM
16: Max Liquidate: KELVIN BENJAMIN
17: Pokeher Face: DAVONTE ADAMS
18: Milwaukee River: JERRICK MCKINNON
19: Bros B4 Hoes: MARTAVIAS BRYANT
20: Milwaukee River: ALFRED BLUE
21: Jaeger Bombs:
22: Pokeher Face:
23: Shocker:
24: Slippery When Wet:
25: Big Slick:
Some good players on the board still...![]()
10 pts per rushing yard, 100 pts per rising TD?
I've been in four drafts (all IDP, but that doesn't impact the first 20 picks much), haven't been in any where three RBs go in the first four picks.
None where Watkins goes as low as 1.3, Mason as high as 1.4, Evans as low as 1.5, Hill as high as 1.7, West as high as 1.10, Beckham, Benjamin and Adams as low as 1.15 (!!!), 1.16 and 1.17, McKinnon as high as 1.18. I've been in some where Blue wasn't drafted in 8 rounds (14 teams).