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Official Bishop Sankey - Best RB in the 2014 Draft (1 Viewer)

I have to decide whether to give up D. Adams or Randle with Sankey in order to get Bell. Thoughts?
Randle if you have to do it but you're making a mistake.
So you'd keep Sankey and either WR over Ball and Hillman? Down on Ball or just strong on Sankey and WR?
He already said he owns Sankey in every league. He's a believer. Nothing wrong with that, but I'd say that's more biasing than simply being a fan of a team. I don't make the mistake of mixing being a fan of a team with FF decisions. If you saw my rosters you'd know that.

 
I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.

 
Bronco Billy said:
Archer said:
cstu said:
Archer said:
I have to decide whether to give up D. Adams or Randle with Sankey in order to get Bell. Thoughts?
Randle if you have to do it but you're making a mistake.
So you'd keep Sankey and either WR over Ball and Hillman? Down on Ball or just strong on Sankey and WR?
He already said he owns Sankey in every league. He's a believer. Nothing wrong with that, but I'd say that's more biasing than simply being a fan of a team. I don't make the mistake of mixing being a fan of a team with FF decisions. If you saw my rosters you'd know that.
I'm not impressed by Ball, that is all. Maybe he becomes a stud but I don't think he will.

 
I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
Sankey is a rookie so I expect Greene to get carries, especially early in the season. Long-term I like him over Ball.

 
I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
Sankey is a rookie so I expect Greene to get carries, especially early in the season. Long-term I like him over Ball.
What % of that is your faith in Sankey's talent vs a lack of faith in Bell's talent?

 
I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
Sankey is a rookie so I expect Greene to get carries, especially early in the season. Long-term I like him over Ball.
What % of that is your faith in Sankey's talent vs a lack of faith in Bell's talent?
My faith in Sankey is mostly in his receiving ability - I think that will be a big advantage for him in PPR. I don't dislike Bell but like Sankey a little better and wouldn't give up a player like Randle (who went 6.11 in my startup) for him.

 
I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
Sankey is a rookie so I expect Greene to get carries, especially early in the season. Long-term I like him over Ball.
What % of that is your faith in Sankey's talent vs a lack of faith in Bell's talent?
My faith in Sankey is mostly in his receiving ability - I think that will be a big advantage for him in PPR. I don't dislike Bell but like Sankey a little better and wouldn't give up a player like Randle (who went 6.11 in my startup) for him.
We are talking about Rueben Randle, right? I just don't see the big deal with him.

 
I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
Sankey is a rookie so I expect Greene to get carries, especially early in the season. Long-term I like him over Ball.
What % of that is your faith in Sankey's talent vs a lack of faith in Bell's talent?
My faith in Sankey is mostly in his receiving ability - I think that will be a big advantage for him in PPR. I don't dislike Bell but like Sankey a little better and wouldn't give up a player like Randle (who went 6.11 in my startup) for him.
We are talking about Rueben Randle, right? I just don't see the big deal with him.
Neither do I but a lot of people value him highly. You don't throw away that value because you personally don't like him.

Edit: He went before DeSean, Cam, Griffin and Foles in my startup.

 
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I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
Sankey is a rookie so I expect Greene to get carries, especially early in the season. Long-term I like him over Ball.
What % of that is your faith in Sankey's talent vs a lack of faith in Bell's talent?
My faith in Sankey is mostly in his receiving ability - I think that will be a big advantage for him in PPR. I don't dislike Bell but like Sankey a little better and wouldn't give up a player like Randle (who went 6.11 in my startup) for him.
We are talking about Rueben Randle, right? I just don't see the big deal with him.
Neither do I but a lot of people value him highly. You don't throw away that value because you personally don't like him.

Edit: He went before DeSean, Cam, Griffin and Foles in my startup.
Fair point. That's crazy but I guess people really like him. I would definitely be looking to sell on him sooner than later.

 
I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
Coaches don't always show their hands...

Over the years there has been many surprise starting RB announcements right before the regular season....

This could be the case with Sankey...

 
I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
Coaches don't always show their hands...Over the years there has been many surprise starting RB announcements right before the regular season....

This could be the case with Sankey...
Got it. So they're decoying everyone by playing Leon Washington in the rotation before Sankey and getting Sankey ready to start in week 1 of the regular season by letting him prepare against STers and future burger flippers.

Those sneaky, crafty coaches.

 
I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
Coaches don't always show their hands...Over the years there has been many surprise starting RB announcements right before the regular season....

This could be the case with Sankey...
Got it. So they're decoying everyone by playing Leon Washington in the rotation before Sankey and getting Sankey ready to start in week 1 of the regular season by letting him prepare against STers and future burger flippers.

Those sneaky, crafty coaches.
There are plenty of coaches that will automatically default to veterans and make rookies beat them outright for the position. Most notable in this is Jeff Fisher. This isn't being sneaky or setting some sort of decoy or any other word you want to throw at it. I'm not saying this is the case since I don't follow Tennessee closely, but there is certainly precedence where this would happen while the rookie is still the better play and owns the long term value.

Some of the folks in here really have a black or white viewpoint on these things...

 
I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
Sankey is a rookie so I expect Greene to get carries, especially early in the season. Long-term I like him over Ball.
What % of that is your faith in Sankey's talent vs a lack of faith in Bell's talent?
My faith in Sankey is mostly in his receiving ability - I think that will be a big advantage for him in PPR. I don't dislike Bell but like Sankey a little better and wouldn't give up a player like Randle (who went 6.11 in my startup) for him.
We are talking about Rueben Randle, right? I just don't see the big deal with him.
Neither do I but a lot of people value him highly. You don't throw away that value because you personally don't like him.

Edit: He went before DeSean, Cam, Griffin and Foles in my startup.
W-O-W.

Some people are drinking from the same Kool-Aid vessel as those who worship Christine Michael.

 
Observation Deck: Tennessee Titans

http://espn.go.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/8446/observation-deck-tennessee-titans-2

Excerpt:

Rookie running back Bishop Sankey was nifty on a couple carries, as he took five handoffs for 31 yards and had at least one very good snap in pass protection. But he lost a fumble a week after a botched handoff counted against the quarterback trying to give it to him. It's been something we've seen at practice too. He's got to get that resolved right away. In addition to Mettenberger and Sankey, running back Shonn Greene and receiver Derek Hagan lost fumbles.
 
I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
Coaches don't always show their hands...Over the years there has been many surprise starting RB announcements right before the regular season....

This could be the case with Sankey...
Got it. So they're decoying everyone by playing Leon Washington in the rotation before Sankey and getting Sankey ready to start in week 1 of the regular season by letting him prepare against STers and future burger flippers.

Those sneaky, crafty coaches.
I like Sankey, but he wasn't drafted to be Emmet Smith. I think best case comparison would be Bernard from last year, but Bernard has proven he can move the chains on the ground and in the air. I'd be surprised if Greene doesn't get a lot of work, especially.
 
It looked to me like that fumble was the QB fault. It looked like Mettenberger was late getting to the mesh point and didn't stick the ball into Sankey's hands.

 
I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
Coaches don't always show their hands...Over the years there has been many surprise starting RB announcements right before the regular season....

This could be the case with Sankey...
Got it. So they're decoying everyone by playing Leon Washington in the rotation before Sankey and getting Sankey ready to start in week 1 of the regular season by letting him prepare against STers and future burger flippers.Those sneaky, crafty coaches.
There are plenty of coaches that will automatically default to veterans and make rookies beat them outright for the position. Most notable in this is Jeff Fisher. This isn't being sneaky or setting some sort of decoy or any other word you want to throw at it. I'm not saying this is the case since I don't follow Tennessee closely, but there is certainly precedence where this would happen while the rookie is still the better play and owns the long term value.

Some of the folks in here really have a black or white viewpoint on these things...
Why would the head coach of the Rams be making the decision on who plays RB for the Titans?

 
I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
Coaches don't always show their hands...Over the years there has been many surprise starting RB announcements right before the regular season....

This could be the case with Sankey...
Got it. So they're decoying everyone by playing Leon Washington in the rotation before Sankey and getting Sankey ready to start in week 1 of the regular season by letting him prepare against STers and future burger flippers.Those sneaky, crafty coaches.
There are plenty of coaches that will automatically default to veterans and make rookies beat them outright for the position. Most notable in this is Jeff Fisher. This isn't being sneaky or setting some sort of decoy or any other word you want to throw at it. I'm not saying this is the case since I don't follow Tennessee closely, but there is certainly precedence where this would happen while the rookie is still the better play and owns the long term value.

Some of the folks in here really have a black or white viewpoint on these things...
Why would the head coach of the Rams be making the decision on who plays RB for the Titans?
I was using a reference point that people are most familiar with. I now see you're going to try to avert the point by trying to crack back with me thinking Jeff Fisher is still with the Titans. If you'd prefer to not focus on your assertion and the point I'm making that's going to be your decision. I'm simply pointing out that your viewpoint has a counterpoint. Feel free to dismiss it since I'm really not saying this for your benefit, but rather to the people who need the additional context. Otherwise, they might buy into your argument completely which would be a mistake IMO.

 
I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
I think this is a very fair assessment, but a team is not going to win many games (real or fantasy) with a RB like Shonn Greene starting. I have no idea if Sankey will end up being bad, good, or great. But we all already know what Greene brings, or rather doesn't. And now he has a hyperextended knee after just a few carries in the preseason. He is slow, plodding, no vision, injury prone, and plays smaller than his size. He is cannon fodder. And cannon fodder doesn't last for very long once the war starts.

 
I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
Coaches don't always show their hands...Over the years there has been many surprise starting RB announcements right before the regular season....

This could be the case with Sankey...
Got it. So they're decoying everyone by playing Leon Washington in the rotation before Sankey and getting Sankey ready to start in week 1 of the regular season by letting him prepare against STers and future burger flippers.Those sneaky, crafty coaches.
There are plenty of coaches that will automatically default to veterans and make rookies beat them outright for the position. Most notable in this is Jeff Fisher. This isn't being sneaky or setting some sort of decoy or any other word you want to throw at it. I'm not saying this is the case since I don't follow Tennessee closely, but there is certainly precedence where this would happen while the rookie is still the better play and owns the long term value.

Some of the folks in here really have a black or white viewpoint on these things...
Why would the head coach of the Rams be making the decision on who plays RB for the Titans?
I was using a reference point that people are most familiar with. I now see you're going to try to avert the point by trying to crack back with me thinking Jeff Fisher is still with the Titans. If you'd prefer to not focus on your assertion and the point I'm making that's going to be your decision. I'm simply pointing out that your viewpoint has a counterpoint. Feel free to dismiss it since I'm really not saying this for your benefit, but rather to the people who need the additional context. Otherwise, they might buy into your argument completely which would be a mistake IMO.
You were the one who brought up Fisher, not me. What relevance does he bring to this discussion? Buy into my argument? What have I put forth that is false or misleading? It's the pro-Sankey is a stud crowd that doesn't appear to have much support for their position - just a lot of bluster because they drafted him highly. Things may change, but they haven't yet. Sankey is running with the third team and he was the 4th RB to see the field in PS week 2. That's a long ways from being a bell cow RB.

 
Titans' Bishop Sankey still has fumble problems

The sight of rookie running back Bishop Sankey running laps around the Titans' practice field has become too common for the team's liking at training camp.

Sankey, a second-round pick, runs a lap every time he fumbles during practice.

The problem reared itself against the Saints, when Sankey mishandled a fourth-quarter handoff from Zach Mettenberger, resulting in a turnover at the Titans' 30.

Sankey is the team's leading ballcarrier through two preseason games with 19 carries for 68 yards, and he's added three catches for 47 yards. But Sankey won't be getting on the field too often if he can't be trusted to hold onto the football.

"I'm impressed with a lot of the things about Bishop, but he's a rookie, and a lot of things that are causing these problems are things that he needs time with and he's got to get better at — whether it's footwork, whether it's how he's taking the balls on handoffs, understanding the protections," coach Ken Whisenhunt said, noting that Sankey missed the first nine OTAs because of school commitments.

"He missed a lot of time. He's a smart young man, but some of those things, you need to work with. He's got to continue to get those things, because there's no question he's a talented player."

 
Rotoworld:

The Tennessean wonders if Bishop Sankey's "continued fumbling issues" will cost him.

Sankey lost a fumble in Friday's preseason game against the Saints. Apparently, it's been a recurring theme as the rookie has also had exchange issues with quarterbacks in practice. We still strongly believe Sankey will emerge as the top dog in this RBBC, well ahead of Shonn Greene and Dexter McCluster -- but it might take a little time. The rookie has exclusively run with the second- and third-stringers this preseason, with coach Ken Whisenhunt criticizing his pass protection and footwork in addition to the ball-security woes. Sankey would obviously benefit with first-team reps if Greene's latest right knee issue proves cumbersome.

Related: Shonn Greene, Dexter McCluster

Source: Nashville Tennessean Aug 18 - 9:56 AM
 
I'm on the ledge right now thinking now might be the time to sell (redraft) whole people still just assume he is going to be the guy come week 1.

 
Titans' Bishop Sankey still has fumble problems

The sight of rookie running back Bishop Sankey running laps around the Titans' practice field has become too common for the team's liking at training camp.

Sankey, a second-round pick, runs a lap every time he fumbles during practice.

The problem reared itself against the Saints, when Sankey mishandled a fourth-quarter handoff from Zach Mettenberger, resulting in a turnover at the Titans' 30.

Sankey is the team's leading ballcarrier through two preseason games with 19 carries for 68 yards, and he's added three catches for 47 yards. But Sankey won't be getting on the field too often if he can't be trusted to hold onto the football.

"I'm impressed with a lot of the things about Bishop, but he's a rookie, and a lot of things that are causing these problems are things that he needs time with and he's got to get better at — whether it's footwork, whether it's how he's taking the balls on handoffs, understanding the protections," coach Ken Whisenhunt said, noting that Sankey missed the first nine OTAs because of school commitments.

"He missed a lot of time. He's a smart young man, but some of those things, you need to work with. He's got to continue to get those things, because there's no question he's a talented player."
I really like Sankey, but this fumbling is starting to remind me of Ridley, all the talent in the word but can't hold onto the ball

 
Rotoworld:

Titans coach Ken Whisenhunt believes Bishop Sankey is "not a fumbler," and that his ball-security issues have been caused by footwork and technique issues.

Sankey lost a fumble in Friday's preseason game, and has apparently been having exchange issues all camp. It's good news that his coach is willing to publicly go to bat for him, but Sankey is going to have to show stronger hands over the final few weeks of summer practice. Provided he doesn't fumble the opportunity away, Sankey is the favorite to lead the Titans' committee.

Source: Terry McCormick on Twitter

Aug 18 - 1:45 PM
 
Titans' Bishop Sankey still has fumble problems

The sight of rookie running back Bishop Sankey running laps around the Titans' practice field has become too common for the team's liking at training camp.

Sankey, a second-round pick, runs a lap every time he fumbles during practice.

The problem reared itself against the Saints, when Sankey mishandled a fourth-quarter handoff from Zach Mettenberger, resulting in a turnover at the Titans' 30.

Sankey is the team's leading ballcarrier through two preseason games with 19 carries for 68 yards, and he's added three catches for 47 yards. But Sankey won't be getting on the field too often if he can't be trusted to hold onto the football.

"I'm impressed with a lot of the things about Bishop, but he's a rookie, and a lot of things that are causing these problems are things that he needs time with and he's got to get better at whether it's footwork, whether it's how he's taking the balls on handoffs, understanding the protections," coach Ken Whisenhunt said, noting that Sankey missed the first nine OTAs because of school commitments.

"He missed a lot of time. He's a smart young man, but some of those things, you need to work with. He's got to continue to get those things, because there's no question he's a talented player."
I really like Sankey, but this fumbling is starting to remind me of Ridley, all the talent in the word but can't hold onto the ball
1) I hope Sankey is a lot better all around back and is more explosive

2) I think fumbled exchanges are easier to fix than what's going on with Ridley.

 
As key's usage this preseason has been concerning. There is really no way to sugar coat that. If he doesn't see a decent amount of time early with the 1s in next weeks game, the most telling of all preseason, then he has to start seeing his value decrease IMO.

 
As key's usage this preseason has been concerning. There is really no way to sugar coat that. If he doesn't see a decent amount of time early with the 1s in next weeks game, the most telling of all preseason, then he has to start seeing his value decrease IMO.
Gio's first preseason game - 10/28(2.8 YPC)/1 TD, 3 catches for 16 yards

Sankey's first preseason game - 13/37(2.8 YPC), 3 catches for 28 yards, 1 TD

Gio's second preseason game - 7/37(5.3 YPC)/1 TD, 1 catches for 22 yards

Sankey's second preseason game - 6/31(5.2 YPC)

Gio's third preseason game - 6/39(6.5 YPC), 2 catches for 17 yards

 
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Are you hitting the brakes Brewtown?
I traded him away today in one of my PPR dynasty leagues

Gave: Sankey & Rueben Randle

Received: M. Ball & Hillman

I'm not saying he won't still be a player, but felt Ball was a much safer RB to own this year. I mean, if 47 year old Moreno can look good in that offense.... ;)

 
I liked Sankey before the draft. Then as I watch a few of his preseason games, I'm starting to get the feeling that his skill set isn't going to translate to the pros. For a smaller guy who's supposed to be "explosive" I don't see anything "wow" about him and he looks very contact shy. Reminds me of a slower version of CJ spiller thus far.

 
I liked Sankey before the draft. Then as I watch a few of his preseason games, I'm starting to get the feeling that his skill set isn't going to translate to the pros.
:yes:

If I had him anywhere, I'd be getting out now. No question. He could have a decent rookie season and be overrated next year ala Montee Ball/LeVeon Bell, but he doesn't look the part of a long term NFL starter to me. Better to sell now than to hang on while the ship sinks just because you spent X rookie pick on him and don't want to take a loss.

 
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I liked Sankey before the draft. Then as I watch a few of his preseason games, I'm starting to get the feeling that his skill set isn't going to translate to the pros.
:yes:

If I had him anywhere, I'd be getting out now. No question. He could have a decent rookie season and be overrated next year ala Montee Ball/LeVeon Bell, but he doesn't look the part of a long term NFL starter to me. Better to sell now than to hang on while the ship sinks just because you spent X rookie pick on him and don't want to take a loss.
I would actually buy now!!!Go and get him from some panicked guy like yourself - before he explodes...

 
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I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
I think this is a very fair assessment, but a team is not going to win many games (real or fantasy) with a RB like Shonn Greene starting. I have no idea if Sankey will end up being bad, good, or great. But we all already know what Greene brings, or rather doesn't. And now he has a hyperextended knee after just a few carries in the preseason. He is slow, plodding, no vision, injury prone, and plays smaller than his size. He is cannon fodder. And cannon fodder doesn't last for very long once the war starts.
Jets went to two AFC championship games with Shonn Greene playing a significant role. In fact his injury in the first half of the game against the Colts played a huge part in them blowing a second half lead to miss a shot at the SuperBowl.

 
I'll apoligize in advance for the long post...

I'm in a keeper league where we keep 2 Vets and 1 Rookie each season. There are no draft penalties for keeping someone and you can keep guys for as long as you want. We start 1 QB 2 RB 2 WR 1 Flex.

This year I have Drew Brees, Jimmy Graham, and LeVeon Bell. Unfortunately I also have the 9th pick out of 10 in the draft.

Basically I'm trying to decide whether or not I should target Sankey with my first pick. As you can imagine with 3 keepers, there aren't many "studs" left in the draft and the few who are will be gone in the first couple of picks.

From what I can gather unless someone slides my choices are gonna look something like this:

Sankey

Gerhart

Spiller

Randall Cobb

Vincent Jackson

Keenan Allen

While I do need a WR, I don't love any of those guys so much that I would feel I have to take them there. Plus I'll have pick 12 and the guy at 10 and 11 took Lacy in the 1st last year so I'm sure he'd consider Sankey there.

I feel like Carlos Hyde might have better long-term potential, but Sankey would be the best bet for a #2 RB this year.

Any thoughts are appreciated!

 
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I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
I think this is a very fair assessment, but a team is not going to win many games (real or fantasy) with a RB like Shonn Greene starting. I have no idea if Sankey will end up being bad, good, or great. But we all already know what Greene brings, or rather doesn't. And now he has a hyperextended knee after just a few carries in the preseason. He is slow, plodding, no vision, injury prone, and plays smaller than his size. He is cannon fodder. And cannon fodder doesn't last for very long once the war starts.
Jets went to two AFC championship games with Shonn Greene playing a significant role. In fact his injury in the first half of the game against the Colts played a huge part in them blowing a second half lead to miss a shot at the SuperBowl.
I guess this is true, if by "significant role" you mean never getting more than 201 touches in either season, not breaking 900 YFS in either season, and never being the lead RB in a RBBC.

 
As key's usage this preseason has been concerning. There is really no way to sugar coat that. If he doesn't see a decent amount of time early with the 1s in next weeks game, the most telling of all preseason, then he has to start seeing his value decrease IMO.
Gio's first preseason game - 10/28(2.8 YPC)/1 TD, 3 catches for 16 yards

Sankey's first preseason game - 13/37(2.8 YPC), 3 catches for 28 yards, 1 TD

Gio's second preseason game - 7/37(5.3 YPC)/1 TD, 1 catches for 22 yards

Sankey's second preseason game - 6/31(5.2 YPC)

Gio's third preseason game - 6/39(6.5 YPC), 2 catches for 17 yards
I think that the difference is that most people thought of Gio as a true physical talent, so his usage was less of an issue. IMO, the majority of Sankey's value right now is that he seemingly has a good chance at getting the majority of carries (certainly the best of any rookies).

 
I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
I think this is a very fair assessment, but a team is not going to win many games (real or fantasy) with a RB like Shonn Greene starting. I have no idea if Sankey will end up being bad, good, or great. But we all already know what Greene brings, or rather doesn't. And now he has a hyperextended knee after just a few carries in the preseason. He is slow, plodding, no vision, injury prone, and plays smaller than his size. He is cannon fodder. And cannon fodder doesn't last for very long once the war starts.
Jets went to two AFC championship games with Shonn Greene playing a significant role. In fact his injury in the first half of the game against the Colts played a huge part in them blowing a second half lead to miss a shot at the SuperBowl.
I guess this is true, if by "significant role" you mean never getting more than 201 touches in either season, not breaking 900 YFS in either season, and never being the lead RB in a RBBC.
Check out his playoff games. Thanks.

2010 regular season

540 yards rushing 2 TDs

2010 Playoffs

NYJ 24 Bengals 14: 135 yards rushing, 1 TD

NYJ 17 Chargers 14: 128 yards rushing, 1 TD

Colts 30 NYJ 17: 41 yards rushing (hurt in first half)

2011 regular season

766 yards rushing 3 TDs, 120 yards receiving

2011 Playoffs

NYJ 17 Colts 16: 70 yards rushing

NYJ 28 Patriots 21: 76 yards rushing, 1 TD

Steelers 24 NYJ 19: 52 yards rushing

 
As key's usage this preseason has been concerning. There is really no way to sugar coat that. If he doesn't see a decent amount of time early with the 1s in next weeks game, the most telling of all preseason, then he has to start seeing his value decrease IMO.
Gio's first preseason game - 10/28(2.8 YPC)/1 TD, 3 catches for 16 yards

Sankey's first preseason game - 13/37(2.8 YPC), 3 catches for 28 yards, 1 TD

Gio's second preseason game - 7/37(5.3 YPC)/1 TD, 1 catches for 22 yards

Sankey's second preseason game - 6/31(5.2 YPC)

Gio's third preseason game - 6/39(6.5 YPC), 2 catches for 17 yards
So you think Sankey is on an equivalent talent plane as Gio?

 
Brewtown - enough is enough....lets cut the retoric and lay it out.

From your perspective and expectations I want to know the following:

  1. If he is above XX receptions, XXXX total yards, and XX TDs he qualifies as the uber stud you project
  2. If he is below XX receptions, XXX total yards, and X TDs you would admit you missed on him and he is JAG.
Quit with the hype and call your shot - and I'm even letting you set the bar.

 
I've just got to put this out there. Given Greene's career numbers and what he's shown so far in preseason as well as the usage of RB personnel so far this year, how much do you have to suspend reality to think that Greene - as long as he stays healthy - is not going to carve into Sankey's value? All the rhetoric aside, it seems pretty obvious that the coaching staff has not shown that they believe Sankey is a bell cow type of talent and that Greene is going to carry a significant work load. Something has to change substantially in the next two weeks to demonstrate otherwise.
I think this is a very fair assessment, but a team is not going to win many games (real or fantasy) with a RB like Shonn Greene starting. I have no idea if Sankey will end up being bad, good, or great. But we all already know what Greene brings, or rather doesn't. And now he has a hyperextended knee after just a few carries in the preseason. He is slow, plodding, no vision, injury prone, and plays smaller than his size. He is cannon fodder. And cannon fodder doesn't last for very long once the war starts.
Jets went to two AFC championship games with Shonn Greene playing a significant role. In fact his injury in the first half of the game against the Colts played a huge part in them blowing a second half lead to miss a shot at the SuperBowl.
I guess this is true, if by "significant role" you mean never getting more than 201 touches in either season, not breaking 900 YFS in either season, and never being the lead RB in a RBBC.
Check out his playoff games. Thanks.
I did.

He didn't lead his team in rushing or touches in either '09 or '10. During those 6 playoff games, he had 2 good games, 1 average game, and 3 poor games. I don't see how his regular season roles were "significant" factors in getting to the playoffs/AFCC, nor do I see how having 1/2 his playoff games being poor performances would indicate he played a "significant" role in the Jets "success."

 
As key's usage this preseason has been concerning. There is really no way to sugar coat that. If he doesn't see a decent amount of time early with the 1s in next weeks game, the most telling of all preseason, then he has to start seeing his value decrease IMO.
Gio's first preseason game - 10/28(2.8 YPC)/1 TD, 3 catches for 16 yards

Sankey's first preseason game - 13/37(2.8 YPC), 3 catches for 28 yards, 1 TD

Gio's second preseason game - 7/37(5.3 YPC)/1 TD, 1 catches for 22 yards

Sankey's second preseason game - 6/31(5.2 YPC)

Gio's third preseason game - 6/39(6.5 YPC), 2 catches for 17 yards
So you think Sankey is on an equivalent talent plane as Gio?
Maybe, tough to say. Gio's ypc weren't really that impressive last year.
 

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