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Official Bishop Sankey - Best RB in the 2014 Draft (2 Viewers)

I would completely agree with you if both those players had only marginal success in college but both of them put up great/elite numbers in college. They are not combine champs only......

 
Great is a relative term. I went to school in the same town as (former Titans WR) Drew Bennett. He was a legend growing up. MVP in all three major sports in high school. Could do 360 dunks in his socks. Highest vertical on the UCLA football team. Could've played basketball there if he'd wanted to. Unreal athlete, but in the NFL he just looked like an average tall guy. If you didn't know his back story, you never would've known he was such a great athlete.

The level in the NFL is so insanely high that anything short of being an all-world freak doesn't really qualify as a "great" athlete compared to the competition. Sure, Matthews and Sankey are very good athletes. Who do you think will line up against them on Sundays? People like Shayne Skov, Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, and Bradley Roby who were local legends and college superstars in their own right. Do you think those guys are going to be outclassed by Sankey and Matthews?

A guy like Andre Johnson or Jimmy Graham is problematic for any defender because he not only out-sizes them, but also out-athletes them in most cases. What is a corner going to do against Andre Johnson when Andre is just as fast/explosive with 4-5 extra inches of height and 30-35 extra pounds of muscle? Pray.

You don't need to be some kind of height/weight/speed monster to be successful in the NFL, but it sure helps. When guys like Brandon Marshall and Reggie Wayne represent the lowest range of quantifiable athleticism among dominant NFL WRs, it's hard to say that a guy like Matthews is a great athlete relative to that standard. There's nothing particularly wrong with him. He's reasonably tall, he has pretty good speed, his jumps were solid. He has some quickness. Is there anything there on paper that really scares people? I guess a 6'3" WR with mid 4.4 speed is uncommon even in the NFL, but he's not Andre Johnson or Calvin in terms of his athletic traits. More of a solid, middle-of-the-road kind of guy.

I think when people talk about Sankey and Matthews as great athletes they are perhaps not totally understanding the height/weight/speed interplay. Sankey is light compared to the typical NFL RB (though thicker than average on paper) and in that context his speed isn't that impressive. Matthews is taller than average, but also quite thin (in the 26 BMI range with guys like AJ Green and Reggie Wayne - basically the lightest common variety of NFL receiver). Watkins running a 4.41 with a 28.X BMI is quite a bit more significant than Matthews running a 4.46 with a thin frame (though the height is nice).

There was talk about MJD as a not elite talent a couple pages back. The guy has one of the highest BMI scores of any starting NFL RB (32.8 is roughly in Doug Martin/Trent Richardson territory) yet he ran a 4.39 at the combine. Freak. Elite bulk + elite speed is a lot more impressive than just one or the other.

In the case of Matthews and Sankey, you have neither elite size nor elite speed. Doesn't mean they can't thrive on Sundays, but it should probably put the brakes on talk of them as being total workout warriors. They're missing some pieces compared to the likes of Jonathan Stewart, Andre Johnson, and Vernon Davis.

 
I see Sankey, Mason, Hyde and Hill as the class of this RB class. But I don't see any of them as special. Eyeballing, I think Mason has the best burst, which I think is a huge RB issue that comes from force - the jumps help us measure that - but its also balance, which we don't measure, but which gives a consistant place to burst from, and which we can only eyeball. The lack of initial burst is what makes Hyde unattractive and only having decent burst and not being able to bull through like Hyde, is Hill's main on-field issue. Mason has protection issues and even less power than Sankey straight on. Sankey does a lot well, has adequate burst, but doesn't elude many tacklers and goes down pretty consistently to an arm tackle. None of these guys has elite speed for their size. I just don't see anyone that consistently looks through the hole and then either hammers through or cuts away from a defender straight ahead, and getting stopped there all the time isn't a good thing. I'm in the camp that sees Sankey with too little power and too little lateral burst to over-power or elude in the NFL.

But I agree that any of these 4 backs going to the Titans in the Second (or Giants or any of a few needy teams) will go high in rookie drafts (where the thirst for dominant RBs is insatiable). And I agree that in the right situation, any of these guys may perform like Bell or Ball, becoming a lead back and valuable asset. But these futures I see as situation dependent. What I don't see is any guy with the talent to unseat and hold off a Murray, Morris or Mathews level talent (like not only Peterson, but Rice, CJ2K, MJD, Charles, McCoy, seemingly Lacy (sorry EBF) and many others recently have - which says to me decent career is the likely upside and not starting or a brief RBBC career is the floor. With at least 4-5 WRs that I think have far higher ceilings and floors likely going with these 4 RBs in the top 10, I'll take a receiver.

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Here is some of what scouts said about Ray Rice back in 2008:

At only 5-feet-9, 195 pounds, Rice lacks the size scouts are looking for in a franchise back. His lack of prototypical size, however, is the only characteristic in which Rice is lacking. With Brian Leonard moving on to the St. Louis Rams in 2007, defenses knew Rice was the key to stopping Rutgers -- and he still finished a school single-season record 2,012 rushing yards and 25 touchdowns. Quick, fast and surprisingly powerful, Rice is built in much the same mold as Jacksonville Jaguars star Maurice Jones-Drew, making him one of the more versatile and talented backs in a 2008 draft.

Strengths Positives: Short, but extremely thick with a muscular frame, especially in his lower body. ... Good initial quickness. ... Attacks the hole, but shows the lateral agility and vision to pick and slide, as well. ... Explosive through the hole and can make defenders miss. ... Much more powerful than his height makes seem possible. ... Uses his natural low center of gravity and impressive lower body strength to generate significant yardage after initial contact. ... Secure hands out of the backfield. ... Physical blocker who isn't afraid to face up the pass rusher. ... Negatives: Obvious size concerns. ... Lacks prototype breakaway speed, especially for a runner of his size. ... Physical blocker, but simply lacks the size to consistently hold up against NFL pass rushers. ... Has lost some tread on his tires with 910 rushing attempts over the last three years -- the second highest total in Big East history.
 
EBF said:
Great is a relative term. I went to school in the same town as (former Titans WR) Drew Bennett. He was a legend growing up. MVP in all three major sports in high school. Could do 360 dunks in his socks. Highest vertical on the UCLA football team. Could've played basketball there if he'd wanted to. Unreal athlete, but in the NFL he just looked like an average tall guy. If you didn't know his back story, you never would've known he was such a great athlete.

The level in the NFL is so insanely high that anything short of being an all-world freak doesn't really qualify as a "great" athlete compared to the competition. Sure, Matthews and Sankey are very good athletes. Who do you think will line up against them on Sundays? People like Shayne Skov, Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, and Bradley Roby who were local legends and college superstars in their own right. Do you think those guys are going to be outclassed by Sankey and Matthews?

A guy like Andre Johnson or Jimmy Graham is problematic for any defender because he not only out-sizes them, but also out-athletes them in most cases. What is a corner going to do against Andre Johnson when Andre is just as fast/explosive with 4-5 extra inches of height and 30-35 extra pounds of muscle? Pray.

You don't need to be some kind of height/weight/speed monster to be successful in the NFL, but it sure helps. When guys like Brandon Marshall and Reggie Wayne represent the lowest range of quantifiable athleticism among dominant NFL WRs, it's hard to say that a guy like Matthews is a great athlete relative to that standard. There's nothing particularly wrong with him. He's reasonably tall, he has pretty good speed, his jumps were solid. He has some quickness. Is there anything there on paper that really scares people? I guess a 6'3" WR with mid 4.4 speed is uncommon even in the NFL, but he's not Andre Johnson or Calvin in terms of his athletic traits. More of a solid, middle-of-the-road kind of guy.

I think when people talk about Sankey and Matthews as great athletes they are perhaps not totally understanding the height/weight/speed interplay. Sankey is light compared to the typical NFL RB (though thicker than average on paper) and in that context his speed isn't that impressive. Matthews is taller than average, but also quite thin (in the 26 BMI range with guys like AJ Green and Reggie Wayne - basically the lightest common variety of NFL receiver). Watkins running a 4.41 with a 28.X BMI is quite a bit more significant than Matthews running a 4.46 with a thin frame (though the height is nice).

There was talk about MJD as a not elite talent a couple pages back. The guy has one of the highest BMI scores of any starting NFL RB (32.8 is roughly in Doug Martin/Trent Richardson territory) yet he ran a 4.39 at the combine. Freak. Elite bulk + elite speed is a lot more impressive than just one or the other.

In the case of Matthews and Sankey, you have neither elite size nor elite speed. Doesn't mean they can't thrive on Sundays, but it should probably put the brakes on talk of them as being total workout warriors. They're missing some pieces compared to the likes of Jonathan Stewart, Andre Johnson, and Vernon Davis.
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OUTSTANDING post.

The words great, elite, and special, are vstly overused in the fantasy community.

 
I think that the size/speed interplay is understood, but there have been many that have fit outside the traditional mold over the years (quite a few recently).

  • Ray Rice
  • Darren Sproles
  • Wes Welker
  • Steve Smith
  • Sam Mills
  • Drew Brees
  • Russell Wilson
  • Joe Morris
  • LeSean McCoy
Many players who don't have prototypical size and elite speed bring an elite work ethic to the NFL (this may be the result of having short man syndrome/Napoleon's disease). This is something that is hard to measure and get your arms wrapped around.

Sankey checked some important boxes at the combine - I think that he may be one of these guys.

Plus he ran in the high 4.4s and has a fairly thick build.

 
OrangeJulius said:
Here is some of what scouts said about Ray Rice back in 2008:

At only 5-feet-9, 195 pounds, Rice lacks the size scouts are looking for in a franchise back. His lack of prototypical size, however, is the only characteristic in which Rice is lacking. With Brian Leonard moving on to the St. Louis Rams in 2007, defenses knew Rice was the key to stopping Rutgers -- and he still finished a school single-season record 2,012 rushing yards and 25 touchdowns. Quick, fast and surprisingly powerful, Rice is built in much the same mold as Jacksonville Jaguars star Maurice Jones-Drew, making him one of the more versatile and talented backs in a 2008 draft.

Strengths

Positives: Short, but extremely thick with a muscular frame, especially in his lower body. ... Good initial quickness. ... Attacks the hole, but shows the lateral agility and vision to pick and slide, as well. ... Explosive through the hole and can make defenders miss. ... Much more powerful than his height makes seem possible. ... Uses his natural low center of gravity and impressive lower body strength to generate significant yardage after initial contact. ... Secure hands out of the backfield. ... Physical blocker who isn't afraid to face up the pass rusher. ... Negatives: Obvious size concerns. ... Lacks prototype breakaway speed, especially for a runner of his size. ... Physical blocker, but simply lacks the size to consistently hold up against NFL pass rushers. ... Has lost some tread on his tires with 910 rushing attempts over the last three years -- the second highest total in Big East history.
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IIRC Rice bulked up??
 
My time is valuable to me and I don't have the time, nor the interest in watching games on a lot of these college players, so that's why I pick someone I trust who gets paid to do it for me. Greg Cosell doesn't exactly endorse Sankey and that is good enough for me.

 
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JohnnyU said:
My time is valuable to me and I don't have the time, nor the interest in watching games on college players,so that's why I pick someone I trust who gets paid to do it for me. Greg Cosell doesn't exactly endorse Sankey and that is good enough for me.
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Cosell is the guy you trust?

 
MoveToSkypager said:
JohnnyU said:
jurb26 said:
JohnnyU said:
My time is valuable to me and I don't have the time, nor the interest in watching games on college players,so that's why I pick someone I trust who gets paid to do it for me. Greg Cosell doesn't exactly endorse Sankey and that is good enough for me.
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Cosell is the guy you trust?
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Yes, I like him a lot.
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Why?
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I listen to as many of his podcasts as possible and I read a lot of his articles. He makes sense to me in his explanations as to why he likes certain players in specific roles, or doesn't like at all and his reasons for thinking that way. I believe he watches more film than anyone else doing what he does for a living. I also like how he tries to not consider the name on the jersey during his evaluation. I think he's the best in the business. I know a lot of people don 't feel that way and I can respect that. There are a lot of so called experts and since I'm not one of them, I'd like to think I read / listen more than most.

 
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OrangeJulius said:
Here is some of what scouts said about Ray Rice back in 2008:

At only 5-feet-9, 195 pounds, Rice lacks the size scouts are looking for in a franchise back. His lack of prototypical size, however, is the only characteristic in which Rice is lacking. With Brian Leonard moving on to the St. Louis Rams in 2007, defenses knew Rice was the key to stopping Rutgers -- and he still finished a school single-season record 2,012 rushing yards and 25 touchdowns. Quick, fast and surprisingly powerful, Rice is built in much the same mold as Jacksonville Jaguars star Maurice Jones-Drew, making him one of the more versatile and talented backs in a 2008 draft.

Strengths Positives: Short, but extremely thick with a muscular frame, especially in his lower body. ... Good initial quickness. ... Attacks the hole, but shows the lateral agility and vision to pick and slide, as well. ... Explosive through the hole and can make defenders miss. ... Much more powerful than his height makes seem possible. ... Uses his natural low center of gravity and impressive lower body strength to generate significant yardage after initial contact. ... Secure hands out of the backfield. ... Physical blocker who isn't afraid to face up the pass rusher. ... Negatives: Obvious size concerns. ... Lacks prototype breakaway speed, especially for a runner of his size. ... Physical blocker, but simply lacks the size to consistently hold up against NFL pass rushers. ... Has lost some tread on his tires with 910 rushing attempts over the last three years -- the second highest total in Big East history.
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You are trying really hard to make the Ray Rice/MJD comparison but it doesn't quite hold up. Look at Rice's lower body, look at MJD's lower body strength and size. Now compare it to Sankey's chicken legs.

 
 
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JohnnyU said:
MoveToSkypager said:
JohnnyU said:
jurb26 said:
JohnnyU said:
My time is valuable to me and I don't have the time, nor the interest in watching games on college players,so that's why I pick someone I trust who gets paid to do it for me. Greg Cosell doesn't exactly endorse Sankey and that is good enough for me.
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Cosell is the guy you trust?
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Yes, I like him a lot.
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Why?
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I listen to as many of his podcasts as possible and I read a lot of his articles. He makes sense to me in his explanations as to why he likes certain players in specific roles, or doesn't like at all and his reasons for thinking that way. I believe he watches more film than anyone else doing what he does for a living. I also like how he tries to not consider the name on the jersey during his evaluation. I think he's the best in the business. I know a lot of people don 't feel that way and I can respect that. There are a lot of so called experts and since I'm not one of them, I'd like to think I read / listen more than most.
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Bishop Sankey Scouting Report: NFL Outlook for Washington RB By Ryan Lownes, Featured Columnist Mar 24, 2014

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1999106-bishop-sankey-scouting-report-nfl-outlook-for-washington-rb

NFL Comparison: Knowshon Moreno, RB, Denver Broncos

Positives

Displays good acceleration, bursting through the hole and hitting the line of scrimmage with a lot of speed when he runs decisively.

Fairly elusive, able to side-step defenders in space and reduce contact when running between the tackles.

Is able to make himself skinny in the hole.

Generally runs with good pad level and is able to absorb some contact.

Good receiver out of the backfield, can be a threat in the flat. Catches the ball securely and can snag it cleanly outside his frame.

Willing and capable pass-blocker. Is quick to pick up his man and flashes a potent punch.

Able to recognize the blitz and steer defenders past the quarterback, keeping the pocket clean
Very good athlete with impressive lateral agility.

Performed extremely well at the NFL Scouting Combine finishing near or at the top of the running back group in most athletic tests.

Demonstrates vision at times, identifies small creases in traffic and finds cutback lanes in the open field.

An instinctive runner capable of finding space and creating his own yards.

At his best when he sticks his foot in the ground, makes one cut, and explodes upfield.

Highly productive college player with several school records despite declaring for the NFL draft as a junior.

Compact with a muscular build at 5’9 ½”, 209 pounds.

Great character, a team captain that excelled both on the field and in the classroom.


Negatives

Patience can be a double-edged sword. He occasionally runs tentatively, hesitating when his running lanes are congested.

Is not an especially tough or physical runner. Does not break many tackles.

Average balance, his momentum is easily redirected by defenders and he too often goes down on first contact.

Lacks great power, does not punish defenders or push the pile.

Dances behind the line of scrimmage at times, loses yardage too often.

Often stops his legs on contact and fails to gain additional yardage, can be stood up.

Not extraordinarily quick or dynamic in his movement.

Can be quick to bounce outside and spends too much of his time running east-west.

Despite impressive timed speed, he is not much of a breakaway threat and appears to lack the extra gear.

Not great in short-yardage situations.

Pass-protection technique could stand to improve, he must do a better job at times at following up after first contact and finishing the block.

Ball security is an issue, put the ball on the ground too much during his college career.


Overall

An immensely productive back over the past two seasons in the competitive Pac-12, Bishop Sankey made the decision to declare for the NFL draft as a junior. He put his athleticism on display at the NFL Scouting Combine, where he stood out in a weak position group. While he lacks ideal power and vision, his abilities to both block and contribute as a receiver out of the backfield should help him to see the field early at the next level.

Draft Projection: Third-Fourth Round


 
Biabreakable said:
Bishop Sankey Scouting Report: NFL Outlook for Washington RB By Ryan Lownes, Featured Columnist

Mar 24, 2014

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1999106-bishop-sankey-scouting-report-nfl-outlook-for-washington-rb

NFL Comparison: Knowshon Moreno, RB, Denver Broncos

Positives

Displays good acceleration, bursting through the hole and hitting the line of scrimmage with a lot of speed when he runs decisively.

Fairly elusive, able to side-step defenders in space and reduce contact when running between the tackles.

Is able to make himself skinny in the hole.

Generally runs with good pad level and is able to absorb some contact.

Good receiver out of the backfield, can be a threat in the flat. Catches the ball securely and can snag it cleanly outside his frame.

Willing and capable pass-blocker. Is quick to pick up his man and flashes a potent punch.

Able to recognize the blitz and steer defenders past the quarterback, keeping the pocket clean

Very good athlete with impressive lateral agility.

Performed extremely well at the NFL Scouting Combine finishing near or at the top of the running back group in most athletic tests.

Demonstrates vision at times, identifies small creases in traffic and finds cutback lanes in the open field.

An instinctive runner capable of finding space and creating his own yards.

At his best when he sticks his foot in the ground, makes one cut, and explodes upfield.

Highly productive college player with several school records despite declaring for the NFL draft as a junior.

Compact with a muscular build at 59 ½, 209 pounds.

Great character, a team captain that excelled both on the field and in the classroom.

Negatives

Patience can be a double-edged sword. He occasionally runs tentatively, hesitating when his running lanes are congested.

Is not an especially tough or physical runner. Does not break many tackles.

Average balance, his momentum is easily redirected by defenders and he too often goes down on first contact.

Lacks great power, does not punish defenders or push the pile.

Dances behind the line of scrimmage at times, loses yardage too often.

Often stops his legs on contact and fails to gain additional yardage, can be stood up.

Not extraordinarily quick or dynamic in his movement.

Can be quick to bounce outside and spends too much of his time running east-west.

Despite impressive timed speed, he is not much of a breakaway threat and appears to lack the extra gear.

Not great in short-yardage situations.

Pass-protection technique could stand to improve, he must do a better job at times at following up after first contact and finishing the block.

Ball security is an issue, put the ball on the ground too much during his college career.

Overall

An immensely productive back over the past two seasons in the competitive Pac-12, Bishop Sankey made the decision to declare for the NFL draft as a junior. He put his athleticism on display at the NFL Scouting Combine, where he stood out in a weak position group. While he lacks ideal power and vision, his abilities to both block and contribute as a receiver out of the backfield should help him to see the field early at the next level.

Draft Projection: Third-Fourth Round



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from watching his film, it seems to me that this is the most accurate scouting report.

 
rdrouyn said:
Biabreakable said:
Bishop Sankey Scouting Report: NFL Outlook for Washington RB By Ryan Lownes, Featured Columnist

Mar 24, 2014

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1999106-bishop-sankey-scouting-report-nfl-outlook-for-washington-rb

NFL Comparison: Knowshon Moreno, RB, Denver Broncos

Positives

Displays good acceleration, bursting through the hole and hitting the line of scrimmage with a lot of speed when he runs decisively.

Fairly elusive, able to side-step defenders in space and reduce contact when running between the tackles.

Is able to make himself skinny in the hole.

Generally runs with good pad level and is able to absorb some contact.

Good receiver out of the backfield, can be a threat in the flat. Catches the ball securely and can snag it cleanly outside his frame.

Willing and capable pass-blocker. Is quick to pick up his man and flashes a potent punch.

Able to recognize the blitz and steer defenders past the quarterback, keeping the pocket clean

Very good athlete with impressive lateral agility.

Performed extremely well at the NFL Scouting Combine finishing near or at the top of the running back group in most athletic tests.

Demonstrates vision at times, identifies small creases in traffic and finds cutback lanes in the open field.

An instinctive runner capable of finding space and creating his own yards.

At his best when he sticks his foot in the ground, makes one cut, and explodes upfield.

Highly productive college player with several school records despite declaring for the NFL draft as a junior.

Compact with a muscular build at 59 ½, 209 pounds.

Great character, a team captain that excelled both on the field and in the classroom.

Negatives

Patience can be a double-edged sword. He occasionally runs tentatively, hesitating when his running lanes are congested.

Is not an especially tough or physical runner. Does not break many tackles.

Average balance, his momentum is easily redirected by defenders and he too often goes down on first contact.

Lacks great power, does not punish defenders or push the pile.

Dances behind the line of scrimmage at times, loses yardage too often.

Often stops his legs on contact and fails to gain additional yardage, can be stood up.

Not extraordinarily quick or dynamic in his movement.

Can be quick to bounce outside and spends too much of his time running east-west.

Despite impressive timed speed, he is not much of a breakaway threat and appears to lack the extra gear.

Not great in short-yardage situations.

Pass-protection technique could stand to improve, he must do a better job at times at following up after first contact and finishing the block.

Ball security is an issue, put the ball on the ground too much during his college career.

Overall

An immensely productive back over the past two seasons in the competitive Pac-12, Bishop Sankey made the decision to declare for the NFL draft as a junior. He put his athleticism on display at the NFL Scouting Combine, where he stood out in a weak position group. While he lacks ideal power and vision, his abilities to both block and contribute as a receiver out of the backfield should help him to see the field early at the next level.

Draft Projection: Third-Fourth Round

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from watching his film, it seems to me that this is the most accurate scouting report.
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I have been enjoying his scouting reports this offseason. He seems pretty objective in his methodology.

 
RB Bishop Sankey, Washington (50, 2): Sankey is mature beyond his years. Better yet from a football perspective, so is his game. Sankey starred in former UW coach Steve Sarkisian's pro-style offense, demonstrating the vision and aggression to handle inside rushing duties, as well as enough burst to beat defenders to the edge. He is a reliable pass catcher, as well, showing the hand-eye coordination to track over his shoulder on wheel routes as well as earning the team's trust as a quick outlet receiver. Stouter than he looks due to a muscle-bound frame, Sankey is also a surprisingly effective pass protector whose ability to impact the game on all three downs has earned him the top spot at running back on some scouts' boards.

 
RB: Bishop Sankey, Washington

The running back position is in a strange place draft wise, due to the changing nature of the game. Backs rarely can carry their production into a second contract and as such are getting devalued. Now, more than ever, backs are being looked at as scheme fits and with the idea that they will need to be complimented by, or be the compliment to another runner. For my money, Bishop Sankey is the best back available for what Dallas does. Sankey can go anywhere from rounds 2-4, and I doubt Dallas wants to go there for a back (they drafted Randle to let Murray walk next year and have Dunbar as their COP back), but if they did he'd be my guy.

Sankey reminds me of Emmitt in a lot of ways. Emmitt was clearly more between the tackles, as Sankey might even cut it outside too often; but his slippery nature and they way he avoids the big hit are reminiscent to me. He also has great hands and is a serious weapon out of the backfield; not line him up outside weapon, but still.

 
If Brewtown is the engineer of the Sankey hype-train, I'm at least a passenger.

What doesn't this guy do well? He may not have many great traits - just his vision, but he's good enough all around for best in class.

 
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as Sankey might even cut it outside too often;
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He wasn't overly reliant on it though. Sankey only busts it if the middle is stuffed and outside is his best option. He gains yards almost every time he tries it.

 
cloppbeast said:
If Brewtown is the engineer of the Sankey hype-train, I'm at least a passenger.

What doesn't this guy do well? He may not have many great traits - just his vision, but he's good enough all around for best in class.
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Cloppbeast - there is room for you on the Bishop Sankey Express. After watching his the past couple of years and his performance at the combine I am very surprised this train isn't standing room only.

Not too many people are on board with the RB that I think is the best to come out of the NCAA in the last two years...

 
cloppbeast said:
If Brewtown is the engineer of the Sankey hype-train, I'm at least a passenger.

What doesn't this guy do well? He may not have many great traits - just his vision, but he's good enough all around for best in class.
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I have been running toward the train, made the jump and am hanging to the rail..... I have to take Watkins at 1.1, but I hope among hope that Sankey can fall to the 1.8 in my draft and I can take a seat on the train. I am just too impressed with the combine and his numbers in college to not want to take a chance on him.

 
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And the first 2:05 he looks completely mediocre. Dancing in the hole, not making anyone miss and not running anyone over.
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I don't know what kind of power you expect from a 210 lb back, but I think he has good power for his size. I only had to watch the first play to see Sankey 'run over somebody'. He gained 4 yards after contact on that run.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Brewtown said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
Other than long speed, I don't really see anything that Sankey has over Freeman.
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Sorry, meant on the field, not in shorts. Should have made myself more clear.
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I'm a big believer of the fact that if I beat a guy in arm wrestling. Then I probably have stronger forearms than my opponent.

If I can bench press more than the other guy - then I'm stronger.

If I smoke a guy in a race - then I'm faster.

If I beat him in every measure at the combine - then my tested skills are better...

If I had to draw conclusions.......

 
Brewtown said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
Brewtown said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
Other than long speed, I don't really see anything that Sankey has over Freeman.
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Sorry, meant on the field, not in shorts. Should have made myself more clear.
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I'm a big believer of the fact that if I beat a guy in arm wrestling. Then I probably have stronger forearms than my opponent. If I can bench press more than the other guy - then I'm stronger.

If I smoke a guy in a race - then I'm faster.

If I beat him in every measure at the combine - then my tested skills are better...

If I had to draw conclusions.......
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If the guys with the better measurables were always the better players, this hobby of ours would be really easy.
 
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ShaHBucks said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
Other than speed, agility, power, hands and better performance on the field I don't really see anything that Sankey has over Freeman.
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I would disagree on power, hands, and say that agility is closer than you think, but would agree on speed and production.

I'm not sitting here saying Freeman is a clearly superior prospect. I'm saying I don't see enough of a difference to justify Sankey being many people's #1 while Freeman consistently sits between 7-10 for most people. I don't think Sankey is that much better, if at all when you take into consideration the whole package.

 
I have them pretty close, FWIW. I think Freeman is better on the field than his workouts would indicate. There seems to be a consensus that he's best suited to a committee role though. I think he runs with more thump than Sankey. Not as nifty with his footwork.

 
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Brewtown said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
Brewtown said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
Other than long speed, I don't really see anything that Sankey has over Freeman.
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See 2014 NFL Combine - Indianapolis, IN
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Sorry, meant on the field, not in shorts. Should have made myself more clear.
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I'm a big believer of the fact that if I beat a guy in arm wrestling. Then I probably have stronger forearms than my opponent.If I can bench press more than the other guy - then I'm stronger.

If I smoke a guy in a race - then I'm faster.

If I beat him in every measure at the combine - then my tested skills are better...

If I had to draw conclusions.......
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If the guys with the better measurables were always the better players, this hobby of ours would be really easy.
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Hence the reason I put that quote from Waldman in my sig.

 
OrangeJulius said:
I like Freeman as well (ranked as #7 back) - Just not nearly as much as I like Sankey (#1 RB)

You might want to watch both videos below in full screen and in the highest resolution...

Bishop Sankey Combine - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqTCXvOS8sY

Devonta Freeman Combine - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PqgWErutWk
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Wow. After watching just those two videos, Sankey looks quick, smooth, natural, agile and can catch away from his body without breaking stride. Excellent overall body control is his key asset.

Freeman, OTOH, looks like a bum. Can't extend for catches (drops), terrible footwork (missed cones, stumbling, turned wrong way, poor cuts) and leans too far forward when carrying. His body control sucks. He may be a tick or so faster, but he looks like a N-S short yardage back without the bulk.

 
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I like Freeman as well (ranked as #7 back) - Just not nearly as much as I like Sankey (#1 RB)

You might want to watch both videos below in full screen and in the highest resolution...

Bishop Sankey Combine -

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I think you're exaggerating a bit here, but I put a limited amount of importance on how he looked doing some arbitrary drills he'll probably never do again. I do agree that gracefully and athletically killing those drills isn't a bad thing obviously, but I'm not going to let it overrule their respective cut-ups/highlights/etc. And I stand by my belief that on the field, Freeman stacks up to Sankey in most ways.

 
ESPN Sports Science Combine:

- Bishop Sankey recorded the fastest time of the RB group through the agility poles, a group that included KaDeem Carey (who had the strongest measured stiff arm), Carlos Hyde, De'Anthony Thomas. Sankey also recorded the fastest split in the "work test", where the back must drag a 120 dead weight bag and run 10 yards. De'Anthony Thomas was the best in the explosion/high jump test and also recorded the fastest 5 yard split of any offensive player tested in 2014 in the acceleration test. Overall, Sankey was their top RB.

 
NFL scout: Bishop Sankey a poor man's Emmitt SmithBy Mike Huguenin

College Football 24/7 writer

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NFL scouts sometimes get a little hyperbolic when discussing draft prospects, and two anonymous scouts brought up one of the greatest running backs in NFL history when discussing Washington running back Bishop Sankey.

"He's got a little bit of Emmitt Smith in him," one scout told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. "He's like a poor man's Emmitt Smith. He can run everywhere. He's just not a real burner. But he's got quickness and vision, and he's a hell of a kid. He's tougher than (expletive)."

Another scout: "He's not as strong as Emmitt but looks the way Emmitt looked when he came to the Cowboys." But that scout also said, "I just don't think he will be big enough to take the every-day pounding."

Sankey (5-foot-9½, 209 pounds) is almost a replica of Smith when it comes to size; Smith was listed at 5-9 and 210 pounds. And, like Smith, Sankey played three years of college ball; their yardage stats were similar, with Smith rushing for 3,928 yards and 66 TDs at Florida and Sankey rushing for 3,496 yards and 37 TDs for the Huskies.

Smith was a first-round pick, going 17th overall in the 1990 draft; he went on to become the leading rusher in NFL history. Sankey seems a likely second- or third-round pick in this draft.

Another scout compared Sankey to Gio Bernard, who was a second-round pick by Cincinnati in last year's draft. "He's not dynamic, but the kid's got great feel and is quick as hell," that scout said, calling him "real similar" to Bernard.

The running back rankings are the most jumbled of any position in this draft. Sankey is the No. 1 back in NFL Media draft analyst Mike Mayock's position rankings, followed by Ohio State's Carlos Hyde, LSU's Jeremy Hill, Auburn's Tre Mason and Boston College's Andre Williams. Senior analyst Gil Brandt has Sankey as the No. 3 back (behind Hyde and Hill) and No. 51 overall player in his list of the top 100 prospects. But fellow analyst Bucky Brooks doesn't have Sankey going in the first four rounds in a recent mock draft; Brooks does have nine other backs going in those rounds, though, with Hyde and Hill the first two off the board.
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